Mon ami est marocain, il vient d'obtenir un visa Schengen multiples entrée valable 6 mois, et délivré par le consulat de France.
Le premier voyage que nous prévoyons de faire en Europe est le Portugal et non pas la France...
Cela voudrait donc dire que nous n'entrerons pas dans l'espace Schengen par le pays qui lui a délivré le visa, et nous ne passerons meme pas par la France pendant ce premier voyage (on fera en avion Casa-Lisbon).
Un mois plus tard nous irons en France, et il aura donc bien un tampon de la France sur son passeport.
Mes questions sont les suivantes:
- Est ce que le Portugal peut lui refuser l'entrée car c'est la premiere entrée dans l'espace Schengen et il ne passe pas par le pays qui lui a délivré le visa?
- Quels sont les documents qu'on va lui demander à l'entrée?
- Est-ce qu'il pourra etre ennuyé par les douanes francaises lors de notre 2eme séjour dans l'espace Schegen et ou ils verront qu'on n'est pas rentré en premier par la France?
- Est-ce qu'il risque d'avoir des ennuis lorsqu'il refera une nouvelle demande de visa Schegen au consulat de France dans 6 mois lorsque le visa ne sera plus valide?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses. J'aimerai si possible avoir des réponses de personne s'étant déjà trouvé dans la même situation (meme si autre pays que le Portugal pour la premiere entrée). C'est vraiment d'un retour d'expérience concret dont j'ai besoin, mais déjà bien potassé la "théorie" mais je souhaite savoir ce qu'il se passe en "pratique"!
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses rapides! On voudrait booker le plus vite possible les billets pour le Portugal, mais on a besoin d'etre rassurés (ou prévenus si vraiment c'est jouer avec le feu que de faire ca!)
Pour mieux t’expliquer les choses, une fois un visas français sur son passeport il peut bien sûr prendre un vol Casablanca Lisbonne, aucun souci ni à la sortie du Maroc, ni à l’entrée au Portugal.
son visa est Schengen.
Cet acte-là est légitime, logique et faisable, mais ça sera ton dernier visas, chez les français au moins, vu que la France n’est pas sa destination principale.
S'il a plus de facilités pour avoir un visas français que portugais, la solution est simple, il prend un vol Casablanca Lisbonne via paris, ça sera air France.
Le contrôle passeport se fera à paris puisque c’est le premier pays d’arrivée Schengen et il aura un cachet français, puis ça sera un vol inter espace Schengen donc pas de cachet portugais sur son passeport.
il peut entrer temps faire des réservations d’hôtels sur Lisbonne, soit par une agence de voyage ou sur internet s'il possède une carte internationaleA bientôt.
Merci pour cette réponse. Donc d'après toi aucun souci à l'arrivée et au départ de Lisbonne si on fait un Casa-Lisbonne direct.
En revanche tu dis que "ca sera ton dernier visas, chez les français au moins, vu que la France n’est pas sa destination principale. ", ca veut dire que tu penses que la prochaine fois qu'il demandera un visa en France il ne l'aura pas car il sera parti au Portugal avant d'entrer en France?
Je sasi qu'il peut y avoir des probleme lors du renouvellement du visa, s'il n'y a pas de tampoins de la France pendant la duree de validité du visa. Or dans notre cas, sur les 6 mois de visa, on a prévu 1 voyage au Portugal, puis 2 AR en France après aussi. Je me dis qu'il y aura donc des tampons de la France sur son visa et que du coup ca ne devrais pas poser de probleme plus tard lorsqu'il demandera un renouvellement du visa? Qu'en penses tu?
Pour le Casa - Paris -Lisbonne, on y a pensé mais c'est 2 fois plus cher de faire un transit par la France, et en plus on a pas tant de temps que ca....
Mon ami est marocain, il vient d'obtenir un visa Schengen multiples entrée valable 6 mois, et délivré par le consulat de France.
Salut,
Le visa est valable 6 mois, mais pour combien de jours?, bien lire la durée de séjour, à droite et en haut de la vignette😏!
Car la durée maxi est de 90 jours sur 6 mois.
C'est 90 jours de validité.
Mais bon ca ne réponds pas à mon souci, à savoir si je risque de me faire refuser l'entrée au Portugal et si je risque d'avoir des problèmes lors de la demande de renouvellement du visa! Merci d'avance pour vos réponses!!
ca arrive vraiment de se faire refuser l'entrée comme ca? Vous connaissez des personnes à qui s'est arrivé?
Avant le mois d'avril 2010, c'était monnaie courante, mais depuis cette date, le systeme s'est allégé, mais il suffit de tomber sur un pafiste zélé pour se faire refouler.
La première entrée se fait dans le pays qui délivré le visa, et ensuite, on peut circuler dans tout l'espace Schengen, c'est bien précisé dans tous les sites des consulats de France. a
Fayad, ok, oui c'est vrai que c'est écrit, mais c'est aussi écrit qu'on devait faire le visa dans le pays de destination principale... On peut toujours dire qu'on passe 2 jours à Lisbonne avant d'aller passer 5 jours en France (réservation d'hotel en France à l'appui), donc finalement la destination principale devient la France et non plus le Portugal. Pensez-vous que ce genre d'explication au douanier puisse passer?
Ok merci., on prendra bien tous ces documents.
Si on prend le risque de partir en passant par le Portugal en premier, on ne manquera pas de vous faire part du déroulement à la douane, par retour d'expérience sur le forum! Réponse début juin du coup...
Je pense qu'on va quand même prendre le risque, en croisant les doigts très fort pour qu'il n'y ai pas de soucis!!!
C'est vraiment d'un retour d'expérience concret dont j'ai besoin, mais déjà bien potassé la "théorie" mais je souhaite savoir ce qu'il se passe en "pratique"!
Je pense que tu fais fausse route. Les douaniers se baseront bel et bien sur la "théorie" pour te laisser passer ou pas, alors que tous les témoignages que tu pourrais récolter n'auront aucun poids et aucune valeur à leurs yeux.
tu n'auras pas de souci pour entrer au Portugal (et apres ds n'importe quel pays de l'espace Schengen dt la France), par contre dès lors que ton passeport n'aura que des tampons portugais (entrée et sortie), puisqu on ne tamponne pas pour les frontieres intra-Schengen, si à l'avenir tu redemandes un visa au Consulat de France, (sauf piston), je vois mal comment il pourrait t'être accordé (puisqu'au au vu de ton passeport, le consulat ne verra pas que tu est allé en France)
Merci pour la réponse.
Je pense au final que ca sera OK car sur les 6 mois de durée de validité du visa il y aura 1 AR au Portugal + 2 autres AR en France (au départ du Maroc), donc lors du renouvellement ils verront qu'il est bien allé plus en France qu'au Portugal. J'ai appelé le consulat de France, et ils m'ont confirmés qu'avec d'autres tampons de la France apres mais sur le meme visa ca serait ok. De toute facon, je remettrais un mot sur le forum apres qu'on ai tenté pour vous dire exactement commet les choses se seront passées.
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