Vol intérieur en Indonésie: quelle bonne compagnie aérienne?
by Jeronimo77
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
salut a tous
je pars faire java bali dans 10 jours et j aimerais savoir quelles sont les bonnes compagnies pour faire un trajet bali jakarta?bcp de compagnies sont sur listes noires !si quelqu un a des infos la dessus ou peut me conseiller par avance merci beaucoup.
bye
Toutes les compagnies indonésiennes sont sur la liste noir.
Mais on vient de le voir que se ne sont pas uniquement celles sur listes noir qui s'écrasent ou qui ont des problèmes ( QUANTAS - SPANAIR ...)
Sinon tu peux te rendre sur le site suivant pour savoir quelles compagnies désservent Jakarta en partant de Bali.
http://www.travelindo.com/
http://www.travelindo.com/
J'ai voyagé à trois reprises sur Garuda, les avions semblaient en bon état. Sur chaque vol (court - 1 heure environ) nous avons eu une collation. Les vols étaient à l'heure.
En route, le mieux c'est de se perdre. Lorsqu'on s'égare, les projets font place aux surprises et c'est alors, mais alors seulement, que le voyage commence." (Nicolas Bouvier)
Bali-Jakarta? Bah, Air Asia bien sûr !! Le mieux et le moins cher... Je viens d'acheter mon aller-retour à 70€ et encore je me suis une nouvelle fois fait arnaquer avec leur assurance "Go Insure", j'ai oublié de décocher la case... les malins ils doivent la planquer je me fais avoir à chaque fois !!
Ah ah je me suis faite avoir aussi :)
On doit pas être les seuls... 😏 S'ils en pigeonnent 1000 par jour, ça doit être rentable c't affaire !
c'est clair :)
En + comme toi je le savais, mais j'ai oublié :)
En + comme toi je le savais, mais j'ai oublié :)
Bonjour,
Nous venons de rentrer d'Indonésie et avons effectué les vols suivants : JKT - Padang - JKT avec Air Asia : pas de problèmes, à l'heure mais 15 kg de bagages par pers. JKT - Yogjakarta avec Mandala Surabaya - Mataram (Lombok) avec Lions Bali - JKT avec Mandala
Oui, toutes ces cies sont sur liste noire mais nous nous sommes jamais senti en insécurité. Sauf Garuda, toutes sont des compagnies low coast, donc consommations payantes à bord mais pas cher. Concernant le vol Bali - Jakarta, Mandala propose actuellement 2 vols par jour. (http://www.mandalaair.com/) En tarif super sawer, compter environ 300 000 IDR, soit 30 USD. Flotte composée d'Airbus, nouveau managment européen de la compagnie, rien à redire sur eux.
A votre dispo pour + d'infos J'ai mis en ligne mes photos en vrac sous http://www.visiteplanet.com/Indonesie/cadre1.htm
Nous venons de rentrer d'Indonésie et avons effectué les vols suivants : JKT - Padang - JKT avec Air Asia : pas de problèmes, à l'heure mais 15 kg de bagages par pers. JKT - Yogjakarta avec Mandala Surabaya - Mataram (Lombok) avec Lions Bali - JKT avec Mandala
Oui, toutes ces cies sont sur liste noire mais nous nous sommes jamais senti en insécurité. Sauf Garuda, toutes sont des compagnies low coast, donc consommations payantes à bord mais pas cher. Concernant le vol Bali - Jakarta, Mandala propose actuellement 2 vols par jour. (http://www.mandalaair.com/) En tarif super sawer, compter environ 300 000 IDR, soit 30 USD. Flotte composée d'Airbus, nouveau managment européen de la compagnie, rien à redire sur eux.
A votre dispo pour + d'infos J'ai mis en ligne mes photos en vrac sous http://www.visiteplanet.com/Indonesie/cadre1.htm
Jean-Paul et Nilda
http://www.vol747.com
Sympa tes photos🙂
Salut, oui les comp. aériennes indonésiennes sont toutes sur la liste noire francaise. Jai voler une dizaine de vols avec lion air, adam air, wings air, garuda airlines et merpati airlines il y a 2 ans et je n'ai pas eu de problème. A_+
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Salut, oui les comp. aériennes indonésiennes sont toutes sur la liste noire francaise...
Oh lalalal c'est pire que ça .... liste noire européenne ... dailleurs je cherche a qui demander a l'UE comment faut il faire pour voyager en Indonesie, mon court voyage dans ce pays en ferry ne m'a pas trop laissé l'envie de reprendre ces "choses" qui vont sur l'eau !
Oh lalalal c'est pire que ça .... liste noire européenne ... dailleurs je cherche a qui demander a l'UE comment faut il faire pour voyager en Indonesie, mon court voyage dans ce pays en ferry ne m'a pas trop laissé l'envie de reprendre ces "choses" qui vont sur l'eau !
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Et bien dans ce cas, tu dois prendre l'avion, comme la grande majorité font, dont moi. A+😉
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Et bien dans ce cas, tu dois prendre l'avion, comme la grande majorité font, dont moi. A+😉
+1.. l'avion sans hesiter ! surtout a voir un "ferry" local (image attachée)
+1.. l'avion sans hesiter ! surtout a voir un "ferry" local (image attachée)
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Salut en fait toutes les compagnies indonésiennes sont sur la liste noire européenne... Cela dit, je les ai toutes prises il y a 2 ans pendant mon voyage de 2 mois en indo. et aucun problème! Sinon, les moins pires sont lion air et garuda airlines. A+
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Mallaysian airlines très bien video et jeux video à disposition de chaque passager
Oui tres bien et surtout tres confidentielle sur vols domestiques en Indonesie 😏😏😏
Oui tres bien et surtout tres confidentielle sur vols domestiques en Indonesie 😏😏😏
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Et pourtant avec 2 L, ça devrait mieux voler !!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
J'ai testé Air Asia et Silk Air le mois dernier mais une fois c'était un vol Kuala Yogyakarta et l'autre un vol Solo City Singapour ...
L'Indonésie, c'est un pays merveilleux avec des moyens de transports archaiques ... Par la route, ce n'est pas très sûr surtout de nuit, quand aux ferrys ...
Quitte à choisir entre la peste et le choléra, je te dirai que Garuda est le moins pire, et Adam Air et Mandala sans doute les plus mauvais ... Quand j'ai demandé le mois dernier à un Indo s'il savait que ces compagnies étaient sur la liste noire de l'UE il m'a dit : " Have you seen Adam Air aircraft ... are you surprised that they are blacklisted AHAHAHAH" Puis il m'a dit que si je prenais ces compagnies, mieux valait m'en remettre à Buddha qu'au pilote !! ( lol )
Bien sûr c'est éxagéré, mais je pense que sur les vols entre 2 grandes destinations comme Jakarta et Bali, cela doit être plus safe ( parce que si tu voyais "l'aéroport" de YOG et de SOC ... )
L'Indonésie, c'est un pays merveilleux avec des moyens de transports archaiques ... Par la route, ce n'est pas très sûr surtout de nuit, quand aux ferrys ...
Quitte à choisir entre la peste et le choléra, je te dirai que Garuda est le moins pire, et Adam Air et Mandala sans doute les plus mauvais ... Quand j'ai demandé le mois dernier à un Indo s'il savait que ces compagnies étaient sur la liste noire de l'UE il m'a dit : " Have you seen Adam Air aircraft ... are you surprised that they are blacklisted AHAHAHAH" Puis il m'a dit que si je prenais ces compagnies, mieux valait m'en remettre à Buddha qu'au pilote !! ( lol )
Bien sûr c'est éxagéré, mais je pense que sur les vols entre 2 grandes destinations comme Jakarta et Bali, cela doit être plus safe ( parce que si tu voyais "l'aéroport" de YOG et de SOC ... )
Tyrolien
It's a beautifull day - don't let it get away -
Dis plutôt ça à jeronimo !!
Perso je n'ai pris qu'une fois -il y a très longtemps- un avion Garuda de BKK à SIN et c'est le dernier avion immatriculé en Indonésie que j'approcherai jamais ! Ma liste noire perso est encore bcp plus restrictive que celle de l'Europe ! Et si un jour il me vient l'idée d'y aller... bien des Cies hors de ma liste y vont !
A mes yeux, ma peau est d'une valeur inestimable !!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
Je remonte ce billet...
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Liste noire ?
Comment passer d'île en île (de Sumatra à Java puis de Java à Bali puis de Bali à Bornéo par exemple) en avion en utilisant une compagnie qui n'est pas sur liste noire ? 😕
Avez vous des infos à jour ? Merci.
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Liste noire ?
Comment passer d'île en île (de Sumatra à Java puis de Java à Bali puis de Bali à Bornéo par exemple) en avion en utilisant une compagnie qui n'est pas sur liste noire ? 😕
Avez vous des infos à jour ? Merci.
Hello,
Pour votre info, Mandala air et Garuda ne sont plus sur liste noir. Les autres oui, YC Air Asia Indonesia. Cela ne veut pas dire qu il ne faut pas les utiliser. N avons jamais eu de problemes ni avec Air Asia Indonesia, ni avec Mandala, ni avec Lions Air que nous avons assez souvent utilises.
A +
Pour votre info, Mandala air et Garuda ne sont plus sur liste noir. Les autres oui, YC Air Asia Indonesia. Cela ne veut pas dire qu il ne faut pas les utiliser. N avons jamais eu de problemes ni avec Air Asia Indonesia, ni avec Mandala, ni avec Lions Air que nous avons assez souvent utilises.
A +
Jean-Paul et Nilda
http://www.vol747.com
Hello
Merci pour l'info.
Mais est ce que Air Asia Indonesia est une filiale de Air Asia, la compagnie low cost de Malaysie ? Sur http://www.airasia.com/, on trouve des vols intérieurs en Indonésie.
Hello,
Pour votre info, Mandala air et Garuda ne sont plus sur liste noir. Les autres oui, YC Air Asia Indonesia. Cela ne veut pas dire qu il ne faut pas les utiliser. N avons jamais eu de problemes ni avec Air Asia Indonesia, ni avec Mandala, ni avec Lions Air que nous avons assez souvent utilises.
A +
Mais est ce que Air Asia Indonesia est une filiale de Air Asia, la compagnie low cost de Malaysie ? Sur http://www.airasia.com/, on trouve des vols intérieurs en Indonésie.
Hello,
Pour votre info, Mandala air et Garuda ne sont plus sur liste noir. Les autres oui, YC Air Asia Indonesia. Cela ne veut pas dire qu il ne faut pas les utiliser. N avons jamais eu de problemes ni avec Air Asia Indonesia, ni avec Mandala, ni avec Lions Air que nous avons assez souvent utilises.
A +
Hello,
Air Asia est subdivisee en plusieurs grandes filiales, ceci pour des raisons de droits de trafic et fiscales : Par ex : Air Asia Malaysia - Air Asia Thailand ou Air Asia Indonesia. Le siege de la compagnie est a Kuala Lumpur. Tout comme n importe quelle multinationale, ils n ont aucune raison de ternir leur image de marque par des manquements de l une de leurs branches. Donc a vous de voir mais jamais eu de problemes avec Air Asia. Mandala Airlines possede des Airbus neufs et Lions Air des 737 nouvelle generation.
A +
Air Asia est subdivisee en plusieurs grandes filiales, ceci pour des raisons de droits de trafic et fiscales : Par ex : Air Asia Malaysia - Air Asia Thailand ou Air Asia Indonesia. Le siege de la compagnie est a Kuala Lumpur. Tout comme n importe quelle multinationale, ils n ont aucune raison de ternir leur image de marque par des manquements de l une de leurs branches. Donc a vous de voir mais jamais eu de problemes avec Air Asia. Mandala Airlines possede des Airbus neufs et Lions Air des 737 nouvelle generation.
A +
Jean-Paul et Nilda
http://www.vol747.com
Je remonte ce billet...
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Avez vous des infos à jour ?
oui, a lire plutot que de ressortir un sujet de 2ans http://voyageforum.com/...europeenne_D3520826/
PS Garuda et Mandala sorties de cette liste noire depuis pres d'un an
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Avez vous des infos à jour ?
oui, a lire plutot que de ressortir un sujet de 2ans http://voyageforum.com/...europeenne_D3520826/
PS Garuda et Mandala sorties de cette liste noire depuis pres d'un an
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
T'as raison, en Indonésie il y a régulièrement des bateaux et ferrys qui s'échouent...........ou sombrent en période de mousson!!
Il y a souvent trop de monde à bord, en plus des marchandises............et vehicules!
Reste à voir l'état des bateaux!!
Mais...................il ne m'est jamais rien arrivé en bateau, ni en avion du reste!!!..............
Sinon, on peut louer une bécane pour voyager!.......................encore que......................faut voir l'état des routes!!
Ca doit être une histoire de karma!...................
Je remonte ce billet...
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Liste noire ?
Comment passer d'île en île (de Sumatra à Java puis de Java à Bali puis de Bali à Bornéo par exemple) en avion en utilisant une compagnie qui n'est pas sur liste noire ? 😕
Avez vous des infos à jour ? Merci.[/citation 😉😎😏
Air Asia qui est cité ici, est ce la compagnie Malaise (http://www.airasia.com/) ? Liste noire ?
Comment passer d'île en île (de Sumatra à Java puis de Java à Bali puis de Bali à Bornéo par exemple) en avion en utilisant une compagnie qui n'est pas sur liste noire ? 😕
Avez vous des infos à jour ? Merci.[/citation 😉😎😏
Avez vous des infos à jour ?
L'UE a mis a jour la liste "noire" des Cies en avril en Indonesie sont ressorties de cette liste * Garuda * Mandala (a interrompu son activité ... reprise par Tiger Aw en cours) * Indonseia AirAsia * Batavia + 2 Cies qui n'ont pas/peu de trafic regulier Air Fast et Ekspress Transportai
Apres tout a été dit sur les transports dans ce pays ou pour moi la route et le maritime sont souvent plus dangereux que l'avion ... donc d'ile en ile (hors "les grandes" Sumatra/Java/Bali) souvent pas le choix ... Cie black listée ou pas de voyage
L'UE a mis a jour la liste "noire" des Cies en avril en Indonesie sont ressorties de cette liste * Garuda * Mandala (a interrompu son activité ... reprise par Tiger Aw en cours) * Indonseia AirAsia * Batavia + 2 Cies qui n'ont pas/peu de trafic regulier Air Fast et Ekspress Transportai
Apres tout a été dit sur les transports dans ce pays ou pour moi la route et le maritime sont souvent plus dangereux que l'avion ... donc d'ile en ile (hors "les grandes" Sumatra/Java/Bali) souvent pas le choix ... Cie black listée ou pas de voyage
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
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After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
Hi,
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
Hi there,
I traveled in June 2025 with Nouvelair Destinations to Hammamet.
I had one checked bag and one carry-on sized 40x24x30, which I usually take on low-cost flights, and I didn’t have any issues. But I just read on a website that Nouvel Air only accepts carry-ons of 40x20x15. I’m flying back to Djerba in June—what do you think? Especially since that size is impossible to find??????? Thanks
Hi, it's my first time taking a plane and I chose EasyJet for a Geneva -> Barcelona flight.
I booked my ticket.
I received my booking reference by email, but I don’t see the actual ticket (barcode or QR code?).
Then I checked in to get the boarding pass with the flight details, QR code, etc. But does this boarding pass act as the ticket?
Because I’ve seen several times online that the flight ticket and the boarding pass aren’t the same thing.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
Hi,
Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
Hello,
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
Hello,
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
Hi there!
Has anyone taken the direct flight from CDG to Las Vegas with Air France?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Hey everyone,
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
Hi there,
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric
Hi there,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
Hi there,
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry
