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Willemspie 6 days ago · Fredtno
Wild hikes and bears on Hokkaido Island, Japan
Not very well known: Hokkaido Island has national parks that rival those in North America. Hiking there is free (even many mountain huts) and requires no formalities. These treks are described in the LP *Hiking in Japan* guide—you can just buy the Hokkaido PDF. It’s way better than Mount Fuji. Of course, everything depends on the weather, which is very unstable in the Japanese mountains (frequent strong winds). The trails are often obstacle courses.

The Daisetsu Zan traverse is a stunning hike through volcanic terrain with a remote section in the middle that requires at least one night of camping (there are basic huts for the rest, which is popular with Japanese hikers): 4 to 6 days.

The Shiretoko traverse takes 2 days with views including an island in Russia, but the ridge is brown bear territory—there are even more here than in Denali National Park in Alaska (brown bears and grizzlies are the same). I ran into 7 in just 6 hours of hiking!

I’m heading to Rebun and Rishiri Islands next.
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Torpan 3 weeks ago · Tulipe57
Japan: First Discovery!
Here’s a little story about my first trip to Japan with my partner. We went for our first visit from October 29 to November 13, 2024.

I had planned this entire trip back in November 2020, but given the health situation at the time, I had to cancel...

Here’s the classic route we took:

We booked everything ourselves and got a regional pass for the area from Kyoto to Hiroshima. The hotels were reserved 3 months in advance on Book... and Agod... (1030 € for 2 people for 13 nights = 80 €/night). For the flight, we chose a Qatar Airways flight with a layover to break up the long journey (950 € per person). We also got a pass on the same site (Japan-Experience) to take the train connecting Narita Airport to Shibuya Station (the N'EX Narita Express). Since the airport is 75 km from central Tokyo, we opted for this mode of transport, even though there are cheaper alternatives. After reading various posts on VoyageForum, I understood how important it was to have a Welcome Suica card to pay for public transport (subway, tram, bus, boat throughout the country), and we were able to buy one at Narita Airport. It turned out to be super useful! After a long but smooth journey, we found ourselves at Narita Airport in the evening. Even though we had a pass for the Narita Express, we had to go to a counter to make a reservation for the train (mandatory). Then, once we arrived at Shibuya Station, we took the subway for 2 stops and finally reached our hotel, exhausted (Hotel Asia Center of Japan – 270 € for 3 nights with breakfast included).
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Fabhyène 3 weeks ago · Tulipe57
Draw Me Your Japan...
Hi there!

I’m inviting you on a stroll through my drawings—a completely subjective, far from exhaustive, and totally personal take, since it’s based on my own sketches. I put this travel journal together after returning in late 2024, mostly using felt-tip pens and pencils, with a few collages thrown in. I worked from our personal photos.

Let’s start with the shotengai...



Our first "wow" moment came as we stepped out of the subway in Asakusa, the Tokyo neighborhood where we’d booked our hotel for our first five nights. Exhausted after our long flight, we finally arrived and took an exit that led straight into a shotengai—one of those covered shopping streets that pop up in city centers and flourished between the 1950s and 1980s.

It was an instant aesthetic shock, like a close encounter of the third kind between the modern city, a typical Asian market with its street stalls, the vintage vibe of the arcade, the sheer abundance of goods, and the bustling crowd—a mix of tourists, pilgrims (thanks to nearby Senso-ji Temple), and locals (it’s a very working-class area). In the end, it set the tone for a feeling we’d experience throughout the trip. Wherever we went, shotengai turned out to be fantastic spots for finding little restaurants, shops, or even fresh produce. Some are like real mazes, like in Kyoto, where we spent ages trying to relocate a restaurant we’d loved ;-)

In Kanazawa, the Omicho Market: And in Kyoto, Nishiki Market:

To be continued...
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Patbill 6 months ago
Three beautiful weeks during the Japanese autumn
I’m sharing our three-week trip to Japan from late October to mid-November 2025. There were four of us—my partner and a couple of friends. I’ve traveled often with my friend Christian (Bolivia, Argentina, Costa Rica, Namibia, Laos), but this time our partners joined us. The rough itinerary: Arrival in Tokyo. Visiting Shinjuku/Shibuya districts + day trip to Kamakura 5 days in the Japanese Alps, from Matsumoto to Kanazawa (via Kamikochi, Hirayu Onsen, and Takayama) 5 days in Kyoto Nara, Osaka, Koyasan Return to Tokyo (Asakusa district), with a day trip to Nikko We booked our flights well in advance (9 months ahead): the flight cost 1086 € per person. Compared to over 2000 € if we’d booked for the same dates just 3 months prior. For accommodations, we mostly used Booking.com. The onsen was booked via Japanican, and in Kyoto, we stayed in an Airbnb. We also made 5 train reservations a month in advance on Klook or directly on the train’s website.

Day 1: Departure from Brussels (October 24, 2025) Early morning takeoff at 6 AM to Munich (1.5-hour layover) with Lufthansa, then a 12-hour flight with ANA, arriving the next morning at 7 AM at Tokyo Haneda.

Day 2: Arrival in Tokyo Airport formalities were quick. The eSIM we bought before leaving activated as soon as we landed (10 GB plan with Saily—more than enough for our mobile internet needs, mainly Google Maps and Google Translate). We’d received 4 ICOCA cards from our neighbors, which we loaded with 15000 ¥ each. We took the Keihin train, then the Yamanote Line. It’s easy to navigate since everything is in English, and each station is announced on scrolling displays in English too.

We got off the Yamanote Line at the station just after Shinjuku because it’s easier to exit that massive station with our luggage. So we ended up in Shin-Okubo, right in the Korean district. A 10-minute walk took us to Villa Fontaine Hotel. A great hotel, well-located north of the Kabukichō district. The room even seemed bigger than we’d expected.

It was 15°C, but it rained—and kept raining on and off all day. Belgian weather, basically. We went for a walk in Shinjuku Gyoen Park. Not as pretty in the rain, but the big greenhouse was interesting.

Then our first ramen (hearty and for 1000 ¥—pretty much the price of all our ramen during the trip). We headed back to the hotel since check-in was after 3 PM. Shower and relax before going out for dinner. Dinner was barbecue at Shichirin Yakiniku Anan (1700 ¥ each—good and cheap). Ordering via tablet wasn’t easy, but luckily it was in English.

We ended the evening with a stroll through Kabukichō before a well-deserved sleep.

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Jgallaire 6 months ago · VinceAndorra
Itinerary for Major Asian Capitals
Hi there,

We’re thinking of spending 3 weeks in Asia this fall to visit some of the major capitals on this vast continent. We’d like to get a (very rough) sense of just how fast Asia is moving compared to what we see in the West (we’re from Quebec). For now, our very preliminary list includes Tokyo, Hong Kong, and Singapore. There are obviously plenty of other options—Seoul, Shanghai, etc.

What do you think? Thanks in advance!
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Vilabel 6 months ago
Travel Journal - 28 Days in China in August 2025
Hi everyone! I’m sharing a modest travel journal from my trip to China in August 2025.

There wasn’t much room for improvisation on this trip—everything was planned in advance. Since August is peak season, I decided to book train tickets early, and once that was set, I reserved all the accommodations too. I got everything on Trip.com.

I bought the flight tickets back in March from Hainan Airlines. They were super expensive, but with these travel dates, I couldn’t exactly dream of a bargain!

I picked up e-SIMs valid for a month from Free just before departure: 10 € for the e-SIM + 19.90 € for a one-month plan with 35 GB of data abroad.

No need for a VPN with these e-SIMs, but D. still got one—a multi-device plan for 5 € with a discount from Let’s VPN, valid for a month. It was for evenings at the hotel on Wi-Fi to avoid burning through the 35 GB with video.

I downloaded Alipay, WeChat, Amap (Baidu Maps), and Trip.com. We also have Google Translate and Maps.me—absolute must-haves.

We’re ready to go!

I’ve been waiting for this day for nearly 15 years!! I travel a lot, but this one—this is MY TRIP 🙂 It’s been postponed so many times: because I wanted to do it with the right person, because I have a Turkish stamp in my passport and heard they don’t issue visas with that, because of COVID... and then China introduced a 30-day visa exemption, and that was the green light! Ugh, they forced us to take our vacation in August this year—far from ideal—but no more delays. Saturday, August 2, 2025: it’s finally the big day!

Days 1 and 2: We got dropped off at Charles de Gaulle at 9:30 AM. I supposedly checked in online, but only for the first flight and without getting the boarding pass... Might as well scrap online check-in in that case. So, we spent over an hour in line at the counter to get them. We didn’t have any checked luggage—just our backpacks as carry-ons—so this was a step we’d never had to deal with before, but whatever, it’s done. No wait at passport control, 5 minutes through security, a quick walk around the terminal, 10 minutes in the boarding area, and it was already time to board. Departure around 12:45 PM, arrival in Chongqing at 4:50 AM. We had a few hours of layover before our next flight. Went through immigration, connecting flight control, and security. Pro tip: check your next flight’s boarding gate right after immigration. We never saw it displayed again anywhere in the terminal.

The Free e-SIMs work—phew!

Took off at 9:30 AM, arrived in Guangzhou (Canton) at 11:20 AM in the rain. I love how Chongqing is translated as "Tchoung King" on the screens in the plane—very French!



During my first two trips to China, we paid for everything in cash, but this time, we’re going all-in on Alipay and WeChat. I still brought the leftover change from previous trips—it might come in handy. At the metro station, they showed us a QR code to buy tickets via WeChat. There were probably machines and even a ticket counter, but we didn’t see them, and buying via WeChat was pretty simple. 8 yuan to Changshu Lu, which is 22 stops. So far, so good. Then, we had to find the hotel, which wasn’t on Google Maps, Maps.me, or Amap... Easy 😎! We found it without too much hassle, though. Dropped off our stuff and went out to eat. 55 yuan for two claypots with fish/eel, rice, cabbage, and purple eggplant. When we left, it was pouring. We grabbed our umbrellas and set off to explore the neighborhood: Enning Road (we’ll come back later to check out a specific spot), Shangxiajiu (the pedestrian shopping street), Baohua Road... The area is pretty diverse—one street to the next, it’s like stepping into a different world.





There weren’t many people around, probably because of the rain. We grabbed a quick street food dinner and went to bed—we were exhausted. We struggled to stay awake until 11 PM to adjust to the time change as quickly as possible. There’s a 6-hour time difference.
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Bluequark 7 months ago · Max68
Three weeks in Japan with the family
Hi everyone,

Actually, we ended up going to Japan almost by chance. I’d caught glimpses of the country during business trips, and it had been on my “wish list” for a while, but I thought we’d go “when the kids were grown up.”

But this summer (2016), the kids couldn’t agree on a destination—their wishes were completely opposite. Then, realizing that flight tickets weren’t outrageously priced—and having read that Japan wasn’t as expensive as people think—we, the parents, suggested Japan… while warning that it would be scorching hot and humid and that no one should complain. Our eldest (18) was immediately thrilled: “Oh! Mom! I’ve always dreamed of going to Japan!” She convinced her brother (16) that it was the perfect destination. Deal sealed: we’re going to Japan, but no one complains about the heat.

After some forum discussions and family brainstorming, I settled on the following itinerary. One non-negotiable shaped part of our choices: being in Hiroshima on August 6th to attend the lantern floating ceremony. To avoid overloading the trip with extra transport, we skipped Nara, Nikko, and Kamakura.

Day 1 - Arrival at 8:30 AM in Osaka – Kyoto - around the station Day 2 - Kyoto - East - night: Kyoto Day 3 - Kyoto - North and center - night: Kyoto Day 4 - Osaka (stroll with Osaka Safari) - Fushimi Inari -night : Kyoto Day 5 - Train - Naoshima - night: Uno Day 6 - Teshima -night: Uno Day 7 - Naoshima – Hiroshima - night: Hiroshima Day 8 - Hiroshima – Commemorations - night: Hiroshima Day 10 - Miyajima- night: Miyajima Day 10 - Miyajima - Himeji Castle - night: Osaka Day 11 - Osaka - night: Osaka Day 12 - Kyoto - West -night: Osaka Day 13 - Kanazawa to Ainokura - night: Ainokura Day 14 - Shirakawa-go - Takayama - night: Takayama Day 15 - Kamikochi night: Takayama Day 16 - Takayama - return to Kanazawa night: Kanazawa Day 17 - Kanazawa -night: Kanazawa Day 18 - Travel to Tokyo (Shibuya) -night: Tokyo Day 19 - Tokyo (visit with Tokyo Free Guide – Yoyogi Park - Meiji Shrine - Harajuku - Takeshita-dori - Omote Sando - Odaiba) - night: Tokyo Day 20 - Tokyo (with Tokyo Safari) - night: Tokyo Day 21 - Tokyo (Tsukiji, Hama-Rikyu Onshi Teien, Asakusa and Senso-ji, Kappabashi, Ameyoko, and Ueno) - night: Tokyo Day 22 - Tokyo (Shibuya-Yoyogi Park again - Ikebukuro - Shinjuku (Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building, Omoide-yokocho, Golden Gai) - night: Tokyo Day 23 - Tokyo (Yanaka – Ueno – Edo-Tokyo Museum - Takashita-Dori again - back to Shibuya) - departure at 10:50 PM for Paris

(You can access the published days directly by clicking on them).

The itinerary perfectly matched our expectations: a good pace, a wide variety of visits, the must-sees, but also a first taste of rural Japan. If we were to do it again, I’d do exactly the same (except for the back-and-forth between Kyoto and Osaka on Days 4 and 12, which were due to my desire to explore Osaka with Osaka Safari). Of course, we had to skip some sights, especially in Kyoto where we missed a few “highlights,” but that was a deliberate choice—I’d limited our time in the city, which is known for being stifling in summer.

For accommodations, we mixed Airbnb apartments and quadruple rooms in guesthouses and ryokan. It worked out perfectly. The apartments gave us more space and the chance to dine in some evenings, while the guesthouses and ryokan helped us experience Japanese customs.

First, a quick recap: all four of us were enchanted by our trip. Japan is a constant source of wonder, just like the preface of *Tokyo Sanpo* by Florent Chavouet describes—I’ll take this opportunity to plug the book, which I read with great pleasure after our vacation. That’s exactly it: everything is a reason for amazement. Everything is so different from home. I wanted to photograph everything around me constantly. I promise, I won’t say “photograph like a Japanese” anymore—during this trip, *I* was the Japanese. And I better understand the culture shock Japanese travelers experience in Europe.

As a friend of mine put it: “It’s simple—they have ten fingers, so they count in base 10. Otherwise, they do everything differently from us.” Well summarized.

Another thing: everything is easy. Everything seems to have its place and be exactly where it should be. The smallest detail seems to have been thought out to make life easier. Things that come to mind: the incredibly well-designed signage in train stations and the subway, the ubiquitous public toilets, designated smoking areas, those hyper-detailed maps with all the useful information available at every place we visited… These maps are so well done that we got into the habit of picking them up systematically. It’s that simple: I came back to Paris with a complete collection. And when we arrived in Takayama by car, our first stop was at the train station to get THE map. But this order goes beyond all these practical elements. There’s a certain *je ne sais quoi* that makes you feel like everything is exactly where it should be. Even during rush hour, in the crowds, people manage to avoid each other in a smooth, collision-free flow—the opposite of the Paris metro. Anyone who’s experienced certain transfers in Paris at certain times will understand.

The exquisite politeness of the Japanese and their desire to be helpful are another highlight of the trip. Every person we met tried to help us and make our lives easier. It was really great.

Oh! I almost forgot: Japan’s hyper-safe side. I’ve rarely felt as safe as I did in Japan. No need to keep an eye on your belongings—they’re not going anywhere. One example among many: in Tokyo, Japanese women leave their bags open with their smartphones casually placed on top. Even I could’ve taken them without them noticing, let alone a pickpocket… No wonder France is seen as dangerous.

That said, I’m not claiming Japanese society is flawless. The role of women and gender relations are downright shocking and archaic from our European perspective. I also don’t think I could live in such a codified society, where the individual is so dissolved into the collective. But for a vacation, it’s simply delightful. On that note, I recommend *Nââânde?!* by Eriko Nakamura, which I discovered after our trip on the recommendation of our eldest’s friend. It’s the story of a Japanese woman married to a Frenchman living in Paris, recounting her astonishment at French habits and customs. Even though I tried to be careful, I’m sure I made quite a few blunders.

As for the climate, it didn’t stop us from enjoying our trip. Sure, we were hot—*really* hot—but by protecting ourselves from the sun (hat for me, caps for the others, plus umbrellas—Japanese-style parasols) and drinking liters and liters of water, it was manageable and didn’t bother us too much, even if we probably had a slower pace than we would’ve with milder weather. That said, with small children, we would’ve struggled more.

Last point before diving into the trip details: the cost. Despite what I’d read, traveling in Japan is still expensive. I’m not talking about our specific trip, where—using our daughter’s 18th birthday and our 20th wedding anniversary as an excuse—I splurged on a few extras that drove up the cost. I was particularly surprised by the price of quadruple rooms, which is roughly the same as two double rooms. So for a family, that’s a significant extra cost. The various paid sites in Kyoto also add up. As for food, it’s generally cheap, but it would be a shame not to budget for a few extras to try some less affordable specialties—like Hida beef in our case.
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Gange 8 months ago
Trip to Japan in autumn 2025 with a child
Hi everyone, So great to be back on this forum😉

I just lightened my wallet by 3000 € for 3 tickets: Paris > Tokyo > Osaka > Paris (well, not just mine—I’m exaggerating, there are two of us). For my daughter’s 10th birthday, we’re heading to Japan—it’s her "decade gift," though I thought she’d pick London🏴‍☠️. But I’ve been dreaming of going back to Japan since my 2013 trip, so I’ll admit this trip is (a lot) for me too. We’re traveling during school holidays, so the ticket prices are unfortunately sky-high. Maybe I could’ve gotten a better deal if I’d waited, but who knows... oh well, it’s done now. We leave at the end of October, so we still have a few months to prepare. That said, I’d rather start early to make sure we don’t miss anything (like the Ghibli Museum—I couldn’t go last time, and anyway, I’ll have to wait until September to book). Last time, there were three adults, so it was pretty straightforward. Eleven years later, well, now it’s two adults with a 10-year-old😛.

So I’m wondering how many days to spend in Tokyo. My daughter idealizes the city (that’s why she wants to go to Japan), and she’s really drawn to Japanese culture and food. Actually, what first got her interested in Japan were all the *kawaii* character products... Tokyo is such a fascinating city, but it can also be exhausting—especially for a kid, and I’m not sure what to expect. Beyond Tokyo, honestly, I’m not entirely sure. I was thinking of Hakone and maybe stopping by Fujikyu Highlands. Then heading down to Osaka for a few days in Kyoto before flying home (our return flight is from Osaka). We only have 11 days there (not counting the arrival day, and since our flight leaves at 11:30 PM on departure day, we’ll have the whole day), so it’s not a ton of time. I already spent a week in Kyoto on my last trip (huge crush on it), and I’d love to have two months there, but... well, you know how it is.

For example: 5 days in Tokyo 2 days in Hakone 4 days in Osaka/Kyoto

What do you think? If you’ve done this trip with kids, do you have any tips for family-friendly accommodations in Tokyo and Hakone? My daughter would love to try an onsen. We have a decent budget, but it’s not unlimited. We’d like to book as we go to spread out the costs a bit.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts
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Genetam last year · Sh
Trekking in Guizhou Province, Southern China
We watched the show "Rendez-vous en terre inconnue" in Guizhou Province, China. Those stunning landscapes really made us want to go trekking in the region. Do you have any valuable tips to share to help us plan this trip?
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Nathalie971 last year · Capucine33
Kyushu between Fukuoka and Nagasaki in autumn 2024 (Japan)
Fellow travelers,

Don’t they say "never two without three"? It seems so. Here I am again on the forum to share—and let’s be honest, indulge a bit of selfish pleasure—by recounting the story of this third installment in the Land of the Rising Sun.

Where? It’s all in the title. On the island of Kyushu in southern Japan, more precisely in the northwest between Fukuoka and Nagasaki. I hope to take you along with me for 19 nights and 18 full days this autumn of 2024. On the itinerary: gastronomy, crafts, festivals, waterfalls, encounters, and leisurely strolls in all simplicity.

A last-minute flight booked just 7 days before departure, and the route evolved regularly based on whims and accommodation availability, eventually settling on this:

- 5 nights in Fukuoka: Fukuoka city, Ukiha, Itoshima, Dazaifu, Yanagawa - 4 nights in Hasami, Nagasaki Prefecture: Okawachiyama, Arita, Takeo, Kashima, Yobuko, Karatsu, Kabeshima - 6 nights in Nagasaki: Ureshino, Higashi-Sonogi, Nagasaki city, Unzen, Sotome - 4 nights in Fukuoka: Karatsu, Fukuoka city

Most of the trip was done by car for practical reasons—easier access to certain places and freedom of movement—but also for the sheer joy of it. Despite slow traffic at times, driving in rural Japan is a delight.

If the program interests you, see you soon for the start of the journey.
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Eze last year · Erjome
Translating a French driver's license for car rental in Japan
Hello,

Thinking this might be useful for VF members who, like me, want to get their French driver’s license translated for a car rental in Japan, here’s the email I received this morning from the consular authorities in Tokyo:

Dear Sir,

You can obtain the translation from the Japan Automobile Federation (JAF). Address: 2-2-17 Shiba, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-8562 Phone: 81-3-6833-9100 Email: kchosa@jaf.or.jp Website: http://www.jaf.or.jp/e/trans_f.htm (To find their office in Sapporo: http://www.jaf.or.jp/e/list_translation.htm)

Information about driver’s licenses is available on our website: http://www.ambafrance-jp.org/spip.php?article781&var_recherche=driver’s%20license The consular section can no longer provide driver’s license translation services.

Best regards,

Consular Section

So, according to this message, no more mail-in translations through the consular authorities.

Sayonara.
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Ericdu38 last year
No, I Won’t Be Going Back to China
Hello forum,

Did any of you feel the same things we did in China?

We spent a good twenty days there in August. First, we traveled solo around Chengdu, then joined an organized tour for 12 days (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shanghai, Wuzhen) and extended our stay by 4 extra days to visit Zhangjiajie.

The landscapes were stunning, and we have unforgettable memories... but we were really disappointed by the following points:

- The food: way too spicy. Lacking in flavor, not much taste. I’m speaking "in general" because we did enjoy some good steamed dumplings, smoked pork, and other dumplings... But compared to Thailand, Cambodia, or India, Chinese cuisine didn’t impress us at all.

- The behavior of the Chinese: disrespectful, rushed, agitated. You constantly have to fight—people push, crowd, and overwhelm you... At the entrance to the Terracotta Army (and other sites), it’s a human tidal wave... and I mean that literally. We were carried by the crowd without even touching the ground. It was like a situation where you have one bowl of rice and 20,000 starving people diving for it...

You’re at a ticket counter, and they cut in front of you. You’re in line for boarding, suitcase ready to go on the conveyor belt, and someone shows up out of nowhere to put THEIR suitcase down... even though they have a flight ticket with THEIR seat number and won’t be leaving before you!!!! You’re getting on the bus, and someone shoves past you just so they don’t end up behind you.

It’s like these people only think about themselves. I didn’t see a single person let someone else go first or even ask—it’s as if politeness and respect are completely foreign to them.

It’s honestly exhausting and draining...

- Communication: In every other country we’ve visited, whether in Asia or Europe, we always manage—with English, a few words of Italian, French, or Spanish. In China, I’ll be blunt: if you don’t speak Chinese, you’re screwed. And yet, a pair of kids around ten or twelve years old asked us in English where we were from :)

- Understanding: Here’s the rule. Even if the person you’re talking to speaks a little English and says they understand you... make sure they *really* do, because 9 times out of 10, they don’t. Out of pride or just cluelessness, they’ll give you a big smile and nod, but in reality, they didn’t get what you were saying.

Several times with our group, in the evening at a restaurant, if we hadn’t been helped by someone at another table who spoke a little English, we’d still be there. The classic example: the waiter brings one menu (for 10 people at the table), and we’re all trying to explain that we need 4 or more menus. Five minutes later, he’s still staring at us with that same blank smile...

In 3* or 4* hotels, you go to the front desk for a hot water or AC issue. Three or four staff members just stand there beaming at you. You try to explain with photos or a translator, but in the end, you leave with the problem unresolved.

They don’t speak—they shout... on buses, in hotels...

We were also surprised to find that self-service laundromats were almost nonexistent. We got scammed once at a hotel with an astronomical bill!

As for flights, we flew Air China on the way there and Austrian Airlines on the way back—no comparison. Air China had zero service and food that was "baby food" quality. Austrian Airlines had multiple services, a decent meal, and smiling flight attendants.

I don’t know if any of you had the same experience in this country, but I’m definitely not eager to go back. Whereas if someone offered me India, Thailand, or Vietnam tomorrow, I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!
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Poneybleu last year · Erjome
South Korea or Taiwan?
Hi everyone!

I’m especially asking those of you who’ve been to South Korea and Taiwan. Which would you pick for a three-week trip in September or October? I need to consider budget, variety of places, and the weather.

Thanks! 🙂
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Badom last year · Delphy83
Which airline for Paris-Tokyo in business class?
Hi there,

My daughter, wife, and I are starting to plan a two-week trip to Japan for... April 2026. My wife wants us to really treat ourselves, so we’re considering business class (we usually fly premium economy or even economy). Since we’re departing from Paris and want a direct flight, we have three options: JAL, ANA, or Air France.

I’ve flown Air France in business quite a bit for work, and I do find it very comfortable. But I wonder if I’m just defaulting to a national bias—maybe the other two airlines have advantages I’m not considering.

If I’m looking at criteria like: - Comfort (especially for sleeping) - Meals - Entertainment

Any advice? Personal experiences? Have any of the three airlines updated their business class on this route recently?

Thanks! !
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Oltean 2 years ago · Torpan
Kyoto, Shinkansen, Tokyo: three first-timers in Japan via Air China
Hi everyone,

The idea of visiting Japan goes back a year now. I remember because I was looking for cheap flights to Europe from Paris. Surprisingly, the round-trip to Japan with Air China was just as affordable—if not cheaper—than many European destinations.

So, the tickets were booked. Three seats (including one for a 12-year-old), ten days over Easter 2018, AirBnB accommodation. Of course, in ten days, you visit without *really* visiting—you only scratch the surface. Just the classics: Kyoto, temples, moonlit rivers; the Shinkansen; and Tokyo, gardens, wandering, high-tech, and... maids.

I have to admit, we don’t know much about the country, and the thought of how we’d manage is a constant source of worry. What if this trip reveals my inability to open up to other cultures?

We board the first Air China flight with that question on our minds.
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Elgordo 2 years ago · Danyway
Choosing a phone operator/eSIM in East Asia
Hi everyone,

So great to see our forum back up and running. What a nice surprise to see some familiar faces again!

Anyway, today’s topic: I’m heading to Japan and South Korea for three weeks. I’m looking for the best way to stay connected (I have a recent iPhone, eSIM compatible). I’ve read that Holafly is a good option, but I’d love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks, everyone, and long live VoyageForum!
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Sarana 2 years ago · Nimou74
On the Silk Road: Chronicles of a Sixty-Something Traveling Completely Independently
From Beijing to Khiva: China, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan Chronicle of anecdotes, highlights, and other adventures that marked this eight-week journey in 2018.



The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.

MENU PART 1: CHINA

1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)

1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.



No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.

Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.

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2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.



I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.

But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.

3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.

Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.

Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.

Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.

The Chinese Far West

4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.



Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.

Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...

5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.



This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.

Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.

I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!

Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.

This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.

The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...

6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.

However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.

The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.

Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...

7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.



To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.

Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.

Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...

Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.

The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...

8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.



Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...

Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...

Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...

9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.

- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...) - Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside - Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters - Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages - Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher) - Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard - Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge - Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there - Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...

With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...

10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.



Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.

After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.

Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...

11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.

Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.

Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...

With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.

What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.

What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.

As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.

And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!

PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.

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The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
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Elcoyote69 2 years ago · Anneorange
Taiwan: The End of the Natives
I’d heard—and rightly so—about the incredible kindness of Taiwanese people. I had just spent a few weeks in Korea, a country of teddy bears, where the locals loved telling me about a place full of… more teddy bears. It was going in circles.

So I arrived in Taipei with stars in my eyes, ready to face all that generosity. Yet, surprisingly, the guard posted in front of the presidential palace wasn’t exactly courteous. And then, the countless military vehicles really struck me. Have you ever seen a teddy bear driving a tank?

I spent most of my evenings in a bar along a very large avenue. I’d go alone and always find company—men, women, it didn’t matter as long as I could blend into this new country, discover its people, their culture, their history.

The heat made me sweat nonstop, my beard had grown back, I was wearing a black T-shirt as worn-out as possible, and my face bore the marks of several months in Russia and Korea. In short, I looked like the perfect globetrotter—the kind I’d probably dreamed of being as a kid.

So there I was, sitting at the bar, deep in conversation with a Taiwanese friend, when a fight broke out between an Italian and an American—two drunk, stupid beasts. Shouting, shoving, we kicked them out. Well, *we* didn’t. My friend didn’t move; I was the only one who reacted, letting my temper get the better of me. He looked at me and said, without malice, that white guys had also fought two days earlier. I turned my head toward the room—I was the only foreigner. I was used to it, but tonight was different. The looks in the mirror were full of distrust. I felt like an idiot for all the others. I felt like an idiot. I said goodbye to my friend; I was convinced I’d never see him again. As I headed toward my hostel, my brain was racing. Asia had confronted me with a side of travel I didn’t know. I’d always managed to blend in, to go unnoticed, but when your features and skin color prevent that, the game changes. And this hyper-globalization, this hyper-communication, the fact that poor guys like me can enjoy travel—is it really a good thing? Does it create an expectation, a need for a mass of tourists who couldn’t care less about the country they’re visiting? No, really, I felt like an idiot. And then all those damn tanks, and what’s with those dozen tents in front of the presidential palace? It intrigued me. It was late, but there was movement. Hey! Hey! How are you? Good, just a little drunk. Ha ah aha! What are you doing here? Why are there so many military personnel around you? Ha ha ah! You can come if you want! Oh really? Yeah, yeah!

I climbed over the fence and learned. I learned that in the mountains to the east of the island, the island’s natives still live. I learned that their culture is disappearing, that they themselves are disappearing. That nothing is being done to preserve the very origin of this country. That all those tanks and military personnel were there for about thirty cheerful troublemakers who had made the trip. Because by being there, they were announcing: *Yes, we’re still here.* I spent the rest of the evening with them until early morning. They showed me how to weave my own shoes (flip-flops), plied me with endless coffee, laughed when a cop took my picture and I shouted, *Yes, I’m a French spy*, and gave me a bracelet. I left with a new look in my eyes. This trip will end as it began, but the next one will be different. I’ll be prepared; it won’t just be an escape or an adventure. Travelers destroy more than they preserve—it’s not easy to tip the scales, but I’m going to try anyway.
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Jemaflor 2 years ago · Nimou74
Two Sides of China: Urban Shanghai and Rural Yangshuo


Vast, diverse, and multifaceted China! During a recent journey across part of this fascinating country, I enthusiastically discovered so many aspects of it. But such variety seems hard to condense into a single story. So, for this travel journal, I’ve focused on two main facets of China. First, a modern and urban China—the sprawling city of Shanghai—and then, in a second part, a China that’s the complete opposite: a rural and more traditional side explored around Yangshuo, where nature is absolutely stunning. Ready for a tour of China, city first, then countryside? Travel stories, descriptions, and impressions are on the program, with plenty of room for photos. Enjoy the journey and happy reading!

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Urban China: Shanghai

As soon as you explore the city, it’s clear: the Chinese wanted to turn Shanghai—once a small fishing village—into a showcase of a modern, powerful, and forward-looking China. The megacity is immense, with around 24 million people bustling through its avenues or stuck in monstrous traffic jams at the foot of some of the world’s tallest skyscrapers. Towers so high they almost touch the sky—well, almost. But this gigantism is just one side of this southern metropolis in the Middle Kingdom.

Away from the towers and business districts, you discover another side of Shanghai—more traditional and, some would say, more human. This is where my travel story begins: on a quiet morning among smiling, relaxed locals. We’re in one of the city’s parks, specifically Fuxing Park.



As everyone knows, the Chinese love practicing Tai Chi Chuan, in groups or solo, so it’s no surprise to see so many here, moving slowly and precisely through their sequences. Here’s a first group, their movements and postures perfectly coordinated.



In another alley, a lone practitioner is deep in concentration, executing his movements with focus. I watch him for a few moments, discreetly and from a distance, so as not to disturb him. To his right, a woman in bright red pants keeps walking, almost as if she’s marching in place. A strange ballet: a series of steps forward, then backward, and so on...

Nearby, this elegant athlete (or artist) performs Tai Chi with a sword—almost like a choreography, her movements resembling a true sword dance.



Further on, the atmosphere is more relaxed and melodic. People are playing music and dancing joyfully, like this woman with her colorful, original hairstyle, all smiles with maracas in hand. You almost want to clap along—her energy is so contagious!





The mood is lighthearted among this group of retirees. Their choir alternates between patriotic hymns and lighter songs. Someone must have told them some French people were watching, because suddenly they start singing an old French tune: « Vive le vent, vive le vent d’hiver... » And the cheerful choir leader invites us to sing along—all together! The result was a fun cacophony: us in French, them in Chinese. But it was so charming!

These Chinese locals definitely passed on their good mood. It’s a joy to see all these retirees—you can imagine them leaving their small apartments to get some fresh air and meet up in the park for these morning activities. But let’s not kid ourselves: while they seem so happy and content with those big smiles, most of them probably didn’t have an easy life. Food shortages, draconian regulations, propaganda, the one-child policy—just to name a few! No, what many endured in their daily lives didn’t always give them reason to smile so brightly. But now, they’re making the most of it, and as I wrote earlier, it’s wonderful to see them like this.

Encouraged by these shared moments, I decide to keep going. Without hesitation, I join a Tai Chi session. I tried my best to follow the movements of my neighbors practicing this traditional exercise, but I’ll admit—it wasn’t easy!



This artist, especially attentive, rewards us with a calligraphed phrase about France. A lover of Chinese calligraphy, he writes these sinograms in ancient characters directly on the ground. Is it writing or drawing? It’s hard to say—the result is so aesthetic. An ephemeral phrase, written in water that slowly fades as it dries, before disappearing entirely.



As we walk, we approach one of the park’s exits—so beautifully flowered. These flowerbeds and their blooms hint at the name of this charming place: Parc des Roses—and it’s even written in French!



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We’re now in the former French Concession of Shanghai, which explains the French inscriptions. The era of foreign concessions in Shanghai is an old story, dating back to the 1840s—a time when China opened its market to international trade. Several nations, including European ones, established trading posts in the city. There were British, American, Japanese, Russian, Italian, German, and French communities. This part of Shanghai was under French administration for a time, starting in 1846.



Some buildings in the area still bear witness to that time, like these ones, with bikes and scooters passing by. The architecture popular at the time blended European influences with the style of Shanghai’s elegant residences: stone arches above entrances, brick walls, and pleasant inner courtyards. Large homes often divided into several apartments today.



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Traditional Chinese architecture shines in all its splendor at this tea house. With pagoda-style roofs—corners turned up toward the sky—refined colors and decorations, and a small corner tower on the right, this Huxinting Pavilion dates back to 1784. It was built in the middle of a pond, offering beautiful reflections. A truly charming spot where you can savor the subtle flavors of Oriental teas in the interior rooms.



Just steps from this picturesque spot, don’t miss the Yuyuan Pavilions and Garden. The whole complex is stunning and gives a glimpse of imperial-era homes and parks from the Ming Dynasty.



Pass through the entrance gate to enter this opulent property, well protected by a high surrounding wall. On one of them, a dragon sculpture sprawled at full length—about 7 meters—is impressive. The symbol represents power but also happiness.





Created in 1577 by the Pan family, wealthy dignitaries of the time, the visit takes you from pavilions with poetic names like the Pavilion of Three Ears to the Pavilion of Spring’s Announcement. Charming!



The interiors are decorated with woodwork from walls to ceilings, where beautiful Asian lanterns hang. But the real charm is outside. These shaded gardens, rustling with bamboo, are adorned with several ponds surrounded by impressive rock formations. A world that recreates (in miniature) the mountain and water landscapes of rural China.





This historic Yuyuan Garden, in the heart of the city, took about 18 years to design and build (pavilions and gardens). Its current appearance is the result of a faithful renovation—much needed, because in 1942, during the so-called Opium War, British officers made it one of their residences. It was partly destroyed by bombings, and later, French troops ransacked it after an attack on their concession.



The site is still under construction—maintenance and renovation—with scaffolding as proof. The garden’s enclosure was set to close for work the day after our visit (for a few weeks, until the end of October 2019). That’s probably why crowds of visitors were rushing in, making the atmosphere a bit less peaceful than this beautiful architectural ensemble might suggest. For the photos, I had to be a bit clever, avoiding the crowds to give an impression of tranquility—this historic place deserves it.

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To be continued in the next post...
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Nathalie971 6 years ago
Escapade japonaise à Shikoku, Kyushu, Yakushima et Tokyo
Bonjour à tous,

Ici, vous trouverez la suite de notre périple au début de l'automne au Japon, qui aura duré 5 semaines et demi en tout, de fin septembre 2019 à début novembre 2019.

La suite, eh oui, car il y a un premier carnet intituléA la découverte du Japon : de Tokyo à l’archipel des Ryukyu (okinawa). Pour ceux que cela intéresserait, je vous mets les liens : Dans cette première partie, se trouve le récit de notre voyage à :

Tokyo (1ére partie), Kyoto et à Miyakojima (okinawa).

J’avais entamé l’écriture de la seconde partie du voyage mais visiblement voyageforum a supprimé ce deuxième carnet portant le même titre + Partie 2 et je ne le découvre que maintenant car je n’avais pas écrit depuis quelques temps. Qu’à cela ne tienne, je redémarre un second carnet avec un nouveau titre afin de partager la suite de notre voyage.

Dans cette deuxième partie, vous trouverez les lieux suivants :

A Shikoku: Takamatsu, Kotohira, La vallée de l’Iya, , Tokushima et Naruto, L’île de Yakushima, A Kyushu : Kagoshima, Chiran, Ibusuki, Takachiho, et Kumamoto, Et pour finir Tokyo (2éme partie). et "la conclusion"
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Bruno8131 6 years ago · Mvbergen
Transsibérien et suite (Japon-Asie)
Bonjour Pour août 21, nous souhaiterions partir pour 6 mois; d'abord avec le Transsiberien et ensuite le Japon (1 mois si correct du Nord au Sud) et enfin terminer par Asie du SE , type Indonésie Pour le Transsiberien, quelles sont vos recommandations pour les arrêts d'étapes (que voir et durées ) , comment acheter les billets directement (par internet ?) et prix; autres infos ? On pensait aussi faire en suivant le Japon du Nord au Sud ; quel meilleur moyen de transport: train? ou voiture louée, ou les deux (train + voiture pour étages) ; pareil , quels sont vos "incontournables" On pensait terminer par l'Indonésie (on a déjà fait Bali ); autres conseils de pays dans la région Après retour en avion (on peut pas tout se faire ecolo !) Merci pour vos infos Bruno
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Yelena81 6 years ago
Budget pour deux semaines au Japon en famille
Bonjour,

J'aimerai visiter le Japon en famille durant les 2 semaines de vacances de Printemps (amis je ne connais pas encore l'année!). Nous sommes 5 ( dont 3 enfants de 15, 12 et 9 ans actuellement). Les tarifs en passant par agence ne sont pas du tout à ma portée. 2500 euros par personne sans l'avion et les repas, donc un voyage à plus de 15 000 euros .... Nous aimerions visiter Tokyo, Kyoto, Hakone, Osaka et peut-être Hiroshima (c'est un de mes fils qui réclame), tout en transport en commun. J'aimerai avoir les témoignages de familles ayant visiter de cette façon, en créant leur voyage de A à Z, et donc connaître le budget qu'ils avaient consacré. J'aimerai aussi savoir si c'est facile de prendre le train, si on ne se sent pas un peu perdu, et qu'en est-il des valises (car à chaque fois, en passant par agence, je lis que les valises font le trajet sans nous)?

Merci à vous.
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Jacqlem1 6 years ago · Mvbergen
Misterfly à éviter: escroquerie ou incapables?
bonjour à tous

retour d'expérience sur le site misterfly .

nous vous conseillons clairement d'éviter , pour vous épargner de gros soucis .

j'explique :

tout nos vols cette année sont reservés via cette plateforme qui présente soit disant des avantages . le bilan est catastrophique .

1. cde nº 2672828 pour A/R tokyo via air france annulée pour cause du covid ( pas de probleme la dessus ) .....bilan : plus de 4 mois aprés . aucun retour . ni remboursement ni avoir ..... ils nous baladent depuis

2. cde 1654093 . le ponpon . notre amie a son vol reotur thailande annulé . se débrouille elle meme pour rentrer en france . aucun retour de la part de misterfly . silence radio . aucun dédommagement . font la sourde oreille et oubli a chaque fois de vous répondre ....on se moque de qui ??????

3. cde nº 2039878 pour bali . information de la compagnie singapour airline annulant le vol . mais à nouveau silence radio de misterfly

bref ce sont clairement des guignols et nous déconseillons cette plateforme qui ne vous accompagnera en rien d'une part mais surtout se gardera de respecter les conditions minimales auquels le contrat qui vous lie , les engagent

voila ...vous connaissez notrehistoire la suite je suppose devant les tribunaux
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Sarana 6 years ago · Bricouille
Été 1985 : un voyage de noces hors du commun dans la Chine pop
Deuxième séjour à Pékin en 2018, je discute à l'auberge avec une voyageuse : "Pékin ! Ici on vit vraiment dans un autre monde." "Peut-être, mais alors que dire du Pékin des années 80. Une autre planète !" Ceux qui découvrent cette Chine du 21° siècle ne retrouveront guère que des fragments de celle que je vais raconter ici, comme j'ai pu le constater par moi-même. (Voir mes carnets sur la route de la soie.)

Ce sera donc un carnet "impressions de Chine", ce qui m'est resté de plus marquant. Les quelques photos jaunies que j'ai pu sauver sont scannées et de mauvaise qualité. Merci à Jacqueline et Jean-Pierre pour leur contribution photographique, entièrement d'époque elle aussi.

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Préambule - le contexte politique et économique du pays Chapitre 1 - Un voyage qui s'annonce pas très romantique, c'était prévu... Chapitre 2 - Pékin : le trafic de monnaie. Illégal mais indispensable. Chapitre 3 - Pékin 1985-2018 : du Moyen-Age à la révolution technologique. Immersion comparative. Chapitre 4 - Pékin : un billet de train pour Xi'an ? Pas si simple que ça. Chapitre 5 - Le "qi feng shui". Le soigneur se fait soigner. Chapitre 6 - Xi'an : «mei yo», la réponse favorite des fonctionnaires. Chapitre 7 - Vol au-dessus de la jungle. Le coucou arrivera-t-il à bon port ? Chapitre 8 - Chongqing : le bal, ou la vie sexuelle des jeunes chinois. Chapitre 9 - Croisière pop sur le Yangtse. Chapitre 10 - L'hôtel à rats. C'est à Wuhan, comme par hasard. Chapitre 11 - Canton : à la recherche de xiao Wu. Chapitre 12 - Canton : un train sous haute surveillance. Chapitre 13 - Hong Kong : dur retour à la civilisation. Albums : les photos d'époque signées Jacqueline et Jean-Pierre. A partir de la page 5 Témoignages et photos d'époque. Merci aux différents contributeurs. A partir de la page 6. Ne manquez pas le Tibet et le Xinjiang !

PREAMBULE : le contexte politique et économique Comment voyager dans ce pays encore très fermé, obscur, énigmatique, dont en Europe on ne connaît guère la mentalité, les règles de fonctionnement, dont on ne perçoit à l'étranger que quelques images soigneusement filtrées par la censure. Comment se déplacer, se loger, se nourrir, sans moyen de communication, sans réservation d'hôtel ou de train, sans connaître la langue , sans aide, sans guide, sans assistance, sans carte bleue...

1984, date clé pour le voyageur Après trente années de communisme à marche forcée, de campagnes idéologiques calamiteuses pour les populations, de luttes intestines pour le pouvoir, le pays n'arrive pas à décoller économiquement. L'écart grandit avec les nations développées. Mais avec le rétablissement des relations diplomatiques avec les Etats Unis en 1979, le nouveau président, Deng Xiaoping, tient enfin sa revanche et entame sa longue marche vers le progrès. Les fossiles maoïstes de la "longue marche", des "cent fleurs", du "grand bond en avant", les criminels de la "grande révolution culturelle prolétarienne", représentés par la "bande des quatre", tous ceux qui l'avaient évincé du pouvoir et condamné à l'oubli au fin fond d'une province, le sont à leur tour.

Le "révisionniste", comme l'a appelé la veuve Mao, lance ses réformes de libéralisation et d'ouverture de l'économie : « Peu importe qu'un chat soit blanc ou noir, l'essentiel est qu'il attrape les souris ! » Parole du maître.

Parmi ces réformes : l'ouverture au tourisme. Jusqu'à présent, pour visiter le pays, il fallait obligatoirement, soit passer par un tour opérateur avec guide et circuit programmé, soit demander des autorisations de voyage pour un nombre limité de destinations. Très peu pour moi. Mais en 1984, monsieur Deng supprime le permis de circuler et ouvre quasiment tout le pays aux visiteurs. L'info provoque un déclic : - C'est l'occasion ou jamais. L'année prochaine, ce sera la Chine. Et en sac à dos! Et ce sera aussi notre voyage de noces...

Nous aurons le privilège d'être parmi les premiers voyageurs occidentaux à tenter l'aventure. Je pourrai enfin mettre en pratique ce que j'ai appris de chinois à la fac et réaliser un vieux rêve. A nous la Chine, à nous la découverte de ce pays mystérieux et fascinant. Quelle réalité se cache derrière ces images édulcorées de bonheur populaire que nous distillent les images officielles ? Comment vit-on réellement dans ce pays ? Quel accueil réserve-t-on aux impérialistes occidentaux ?



Wuhan, 1985 : slogans révolutionnaires pour mini gardes rouges

CHAPITRE 1 : un voyage qui s'annonce pas très romantique, c'était prévu... Eh oui, juste mariés, il y a peut-être plus glamour comme destination. Bon, Venise, on connaît déjà. Quoi de mieux qu'une telle aventure pour forger un couple ? Pendant toute l'année, je peaufine le projet : itinéraire, transports, hébergements... Les guides de voyage sur la Chine ne sont pas nombreux, il n'en existe d'ailleurs qu'un en français. Pour ce qui est de l'itinéraire, c'est à peu près établi, pour le reste, ce sera au coup par coup, improvisation et opportunités. L'aventure quoi. Juste qu'on dispose d'un mois entre l'atterrissage et le retour à Hong-Kong. Pour l'itinéraire, ce sera donc Pékin - Hong Kong, mais par où et comment ? C'est le grand mystère, même si certains incontournables sont au programme : la Grande Muraille, Xi'an et son armée en terre cuite, la croisière sur le Yang Tse Kiang...

Août 1985 : Hong Kong, premiers pas en extrême-orient Munis d'un joli visa sur notre passeport et d'un billet d'avion Hong Kong - Pékin acheté en agence en France, nous débarquons à Hong Kong pour y passer une nuit avant de repartir pour Pékin le lendemain, L'atterrissage au-dessus de la ville est spectaculaire, l'avion louvoie entre les immeubles pour plonger vers la piste au raz de l'océan, un véritable tour de manège à sensations. Pas trop le temps d'explorer la ville, mais le dépaysement est déjà total. Et pourtant, ce n'est rien à côté de ce qui nous attend...

Ca commence plutôt mal Aéroport de Hong Kong, le lendemain. Nos billets sont valables, pas de problème, seulement : - Désolé, mais vous n'avez pas confirmé votre vol, l'avion est complet. Il va falloir attendre deux ou trois jours... Eh oui, en 1985, il faut confirmer son vol la veille par téléphone. Dans l'excitation et l'émotion, nous avions complètement oublié la consigne. Zut alors, deux ou trois jours de perdus sur le projet, c'est beaucoup trop. - Attendez ici, peut-être il y aura des places si des voyageurs ne se présentent pas. Longue attente plutôt anxieuse, et quelques minutes avant le décollage, petit signe de l'employé : - C'est bon, il reste deux places, vous pouvez partir.



Pékin : avenue Xidan. Photo : Jacqueline et Jean-Pierre

Dès l'aéroport, j'ai senti le choc... Une simple piste en béton, pas d'avion en attente, un trafic aérien quasi nul, un bâtiment à la chinoise, usé et vieillot à souhait, des gardes en uniforme. L'aéroport est encore une base militaire, accessoirement civile pour quelques rares liaisons vers l'URSS et les pays d'Asie. Il n'y a rien dans ce qui fait office de hall d'accueil, une pièce de quelques dizaines de mètres carré tout au plus.

Contrôles minutieux, file d'attente, les militaires ne sont pas très souriants, et le comité d'accueil pas très... accueillant. On n'est pas là pour rigoler, surtout avec ces étrangers qui débarquent de Hong Kong, la zone capitaliste. Eh oui, Hong Kong chinois, ce sera dans une dizaine d'années. D'ici là...

Des billets de Monopoly ?! Un simple bureau dans un recoin fait office de banque. Vite, changer nos travelers chèques en dollars. Ben oui, la carte bleue, ça n'existe pas encore. Derrière son boulier, l'employé fait ses calculs à une vitesse incroyable et me rend le change. Surprise : j'ai une liasse de jolis billets tout neufs dans la main, mais ils n'ont rien à voir avec la monnaie locale. La preuve, il n'y a pas le portrait du grand timonier, mais des jolis dessins de monuments et paysages ! Ca ressemble davantage à des billets de Monopoly.

C'est quoi ce truc ?

Une bonne affaire, mais un gros risque En fait, c'est une monnaie spéciale réservée aux étrangers. Nous allons vite apprendre deux choses. - Un, cette monnaie n'est pas utilisée (et même interdite) par les chinois dans leur vie quotidienne. Elle est réservée aux étrangers et ils doivent payer avec. - Deux, elle est très recherchée par quelques autochtones, car c'est la seule monnaie ayant un équivalent dollar. A l'époque, le yuan chinois ne vaut absolument rien, il n'est pas convertible dans une autre monnaie. Pire que le kopeck. Du coup, notre monnaie "spécial étrangers" fait l'objet d'un trafic formellement interdit et sévèrement réprimé par les autorités.

Mais comment faire si tu veux voyager en dehors des circuits touristiques et des grands hôtels, juste prendre le bus par exemple ou manger dans une gargote. Ca, les autorités n'en ont cure. Un étranger, ça dort dans les hôtels de luxe, ça prend l'avion ou le train en première classe, ça mange dans les grands restaurants. Mieux encore, ça voyage en groupe avec un guide.

Pas d'autre solution, il faudra changer au black Dans la rue, avec les petits trafiquants locaux. Il y a même un cours « officiel » du change : un yuan de Monopoly contre trois yuans de monnaie populaire. A l'époque, un yuan, c'est à peu près un franc. Une sacrée bonne affaire ! Le tout, c'est de ne pas se faire pincer. Les rumeurs les plus folles courent sur les peines encourues pour les trafiquants, mais aussi pour les étrangers qui se font pincer. C'est d'ailleurs marqué sur certains documents. Si les peines de prison ferme ont de quoi dissuader le voyageur, il faudra quand même prendre le risque, pas le choix. Une des nombreuses absurdités du système.



Pékin : place Tian An Men. Photo : Jacqueline et Jean-Pierre

Mise à l'épreuve 1 : trouver un hébergement... Sortie de l'aéroport, c'est l'après-midi. Quelques taxis attendent, réservés aux privilégiés du régime et aux étrangers. Mais nous ne savons même pas où nous allons, juste en ville, et on verra après. Donc ce sera le bus, celui-ci prend la monnaie de Monopoly. C'est notre premier transport en commun, direction le centre ville, à une vingtaine de kilomètres. Très bien, mais où aller, à qui demander un tuyau, un renseignement, une bonne adresse ?

L'aéroport étant en rase campagne, la route bordée d'arbres qui conduit à Pékin centre ressemble à une de nos départementales. De part et d'autres, c'est le défilé des paysans, le plus souvent à pied, tirant des charrettes à bras, quelques fois à bicyclette ou en tracteur. Pour nous occidentaux déjà rodés aux autoroutes, c'est un choc. Ici, pas de voiture individuelle : les véhicules à moteur, c'est juste des camions, quelques bus et de rares taxi, c'est tout .

La carte de Pékin n'indique rien d'autre que le nom des rues, impossible de savoir où se trouve tel service, hôtel, restaurant... Il faut se débrouiller. Les quelques éléments écrits et oraux de chinois que je possède, je vais vite devoir les mettre à l'épreuve. L'anglais ici, on connaît pas.

Juste à côté de nous est assise une jeune femme, bien de sa personne, sans doute un cadre du parti ou d'une grande entreprise. Elle semble plus amène que les autres voyageurs, plus disposée à rendre service. J'entame la conversation comme je peux. Après les échanges d'usage : - Nous sommes français, c'est notre premier voyage en Chine. Connaissez-vous un hôtel sur le trajet du bus qui nous accepterait ? Coup de chance, la femme nous en indique un non loin d'un arrêt, elle nous dira quand il faudra descendre.

Mise à l'épreuve 2 : et qui accepte les étrangers... L'hôtel n'est pas facile à trouver, tout se ressemble ici et rien ne permet de discerner au premier coup d'oeil la fonction d'un bâtiment. Ce n'est même pas écrit « hôtel » à l'entrée. Finalement nous poussons la porte de ce qui semble être ce que nous cherchons. Un étroit couloir sombre, un guichet, une sorte de réception, on dirait un peu un hôtel. Le type de l'accueil est très surpris de nous voir ici, mais oui, c'est bien un hôtel, sauf que : - C'est interdit aux étrangers, vous ne devez pas rester ici ! - Mais comment faire alors ? Le type décroche son téléphone, puis, au bout d'un moment : - Prenez le bus et descendez à cet arrêt, vous y trouverez un hôtel pour vous.

C'est ainsi que nous découvrons que nous ne pourrons pas loger comme on veut dans le pays. La plupart des hôtels sont interdits aux étrangers, il faut toujours aller à l'hôtel spécial « wai guo ren». Oui, mais ce n'est pas forcément indiqué. Quant à dormir chez l'habitant, ce n'est même pas la peine d'y songer, c'est interdit. De plus, quand on voit dans quoi vivent les gens en ville, le peu d'espace dont ils disposent, ça ne donne pas vraiment envie de se faire inviter.

Je ne me souviens plus comment nous avons fait pour trouver le bon bus et le bon arrêt, juste que ça n'a pas été facile du tout. La contrôleuse du bus a tiré une drôle de tronche quand je lui ai tendu le billet de Monoploy, mais elle n'avait pas le choix. Un mao le ticket, dix centimes de franc. Premier aperçu du coup de la vie : trois fois rien. Dans le bus, tous les regards sont fixés sur nous...

Pas de doute, il faut absolument trouver de la monnaie locale, et le plus vite possible. On ne va rien pouvoir faire avec cette monnaie de m... Et quand par hasard ils sont acceptés, on y perd sacrément au change, car ils nous rendent l'argent en monnaie locale. C'est une arnaque gouvernementale bien calculée !

Prochain épisode : le trafic de monnaie
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Sfcindy 6 years ago · Lo9rshi
Choix entre deux itinéraires au Japon
Bonjour à tous Je débute mes recherches pour préparer un voyage au Japon en 2021 ( avril ou octobre pendant les vacances scolaires zone C avec certainement 11 à 12 nuits sur place) Nous sommes un couple avec un ado de 17 ans. Les témoignages me donnent envie de tout visiter...mais il faut faire un choix...c'est là que vous intervenez 😄!

Itinéraire 1: arrivée à Tokyo, départ d'Osaka J-1 et 2: Tokyo pour le côté branché + 1 parc plutôt que visites de temples. J3 et 4 Hiroshima et miyajima J 5-6: shimanami kaido ( j'ai 2 triathletes a la maison!. Idéalement imabari-onomichi avec nuit sur une des îles) J7-8-9-10: Kyoto ( avec journée a Nara et Universal studio d'Osaka) J11 nuit près aéroport de Kansai car départ tôt pour la France Sur cet itinéraire JR pass 7 jours? Avis logement et répartition des nuits... Ça me paraît un marathon, non?

Itinéraire 2: je zappe Tokyo ( pour mieux y revenir une autre fois?). Vol AR osaka J1-2-3: Kyoto J4-5: Hiroshima et miyajima J6-8: shimanami kaido ( ferry Hiroshima- Matsuyama puis train jusqu'à ibamari). Nuit sur une des îles. J9-10-11: osaka ( +Universal studio, Nara si non fait en début de séjour?) Sur cet itinéraire JR pass setouchi?

Autre question : mon mari et mon fils loueront certainement un vélo de route...et moi un vélo électrique...j'ai malheureusement vu qu'il faudrait le rendre au même endroit où passer par le service de retour Wakka....qui peut m'expliquer ?

Merci d'avance!
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Nat1009 6 years ago
Le Japon sous les sakuras avril 2019
Bonjour, Nous sommes partis à 4 (quinquagénaires), 2 semaines au Japon du 30 mars au 14 avril 2019. Notre circuit était très classique : Tokyo, Kyoto, Nara, Hiroshima, Miyajima, Osaka. Pourtant il n'a pas été si facile que ça à établir car beaucoup de choses nous tentaient : Nikko, Hakone, les Alpes japonaises.....Puis ensuite comment équilibrer le temps passé dans chaque ville..Que voir ? Bref il m'incombe très souvent l'organisation de nos voyages, qu'ils soient en famille ou bien entre amis et j'avoue que le Japon a été un vrai casse-tête. Merci à tous les "spécialistes" sur ce forum qui m'ont aidé, inspiré.

Plus qu'un retour détaillé de notre voyage qui va ressembler à beaucoup d'autres et n'ayant pas un talent particulier pour la photographie qui me permette de me distinguer, je voualis juste vous faire part de nos expériences sur place. Vols Partant de Toulouse, nous avons réservé nos billets le 12 juillet 2018 : vol IBERIA Toulouse-Madrid-Tokyo à l'aller Osaka-Tokyo-Madrid-Toulouse au retour. Rien à redire, prestations correctes, films récents et nourriture acceptable. 570 euros. Hébergements Tous les hôtels ainsi que la maison à Kyoto ont été réservés par Booking sauf à Miyajima où j'ai réservé directement sur le site de l'hôtel. J'ai choisi des hôtels standards mais placés à coté des transports en commun. Le budget le plus élevé a été à Miyajima où nous avons voulu faire l'expérience du dîner kaseiki (567 euros/4 en pension complète). Au total, le budget hébergement sera de 947 euros. Visites Nous avons choisi de prendre des guides francophones 2 jours à Tokyo et Kyoto, 1 jour à Nara , 1 jour à Osaka et aussi de participer à un Hiroshima safari et un Kyoto safari nocturne. Nous n'avons pas regretté ce choix car cela nous a permis de rencontrer de belles personnes et aussi de comprendre certains aspects du Japon parfois déroutant. Cela a donné lieu à de beaux échanges. Bine sûr cela a un coût : 437 euros par personne. Transports JR PASS 14 jours 344 euros Transports annexes : 110 euros par personne

En ce qui concerne le budget visites et repas, il dépend bien sûr des goûts de chacun. Nous n'avons pas choisi des restaurants gastronomiques mais nous nous sommes pas privés et les tentations sont grandes au Japon car on peut manger sucré ou salé à tous les coins de rue. Je me suis découverte une passion pour le matcha et j'ai goûté toutes ses déclinaisons. Quant à mes compères, ils ne sautent aucun repas. Bref, un budget d'environ 320 euros par personne boissons comprises et de 62 euros pour les droits d'entrée.

Au final un budget de 2810 euros/personnes tout compris pour 15 jours sur place.

Je sais que je vais en faire hurler sur ce forum car c'est un budget élevé et que bien sûr on peut voyager pour moins cher au Japon mais tout dépend des prestations choisies.

Notre circuit : 3.5 jours à Tokyo (4 nuits) 4.5 jours à Kyoto ( 5 nuits) 1 jour à Nara (nuit à Hiroshima) 1 jour à Hiroshima (2 nuits) 1 jour à Miyajima (1 nuit) 1 jour à Himeji (nuit à Osaka) 1 jour à Osaka (2 nuits)

Nos impressions : Pour moi qui ait passé des heures à préparer ce voyage, une bonne surprise sur place. Tout a été beaucoup plus simple que supposé avant le départ. Aucun problème dans les transports, plus compliqué au restaurant mais cela nous a valu de bonnes surprises et d'autres moins (une salade d'algues quand je pensais commandé un plat de pâtes, la photo était trompeuse), de grands moments au supermarché et sur les marchés, du monde certes mais gérable et en tous les cas pas cette sensation parfois oppressante que l'on peut ressentir dans d'autres pays d'Asie du fait de cette discipline et rigueur que l'on rencontre partout, pas énormément de contacts avec les japonais mais quelques belles rencontres (un cours d'origami improvisé dans le train). Nous avons beaucoup aimé voir la célébration de cette période des sakuras avec tous ces stands de nourriture et cette vie nocturne. La nuit à Miyajima a été magique car l’île se vide alors de ses touristes. J'aurai bien aimé passer plus de temps à Hiroshima que j'ai trouvé plus sereine que les autres villes.

Au final une grande envie de découvrir d'autres coins du Japon.
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