Thailand Travel Journal: From Chiang Mai to Bangkok, We Didn’t Buddha Our Fun
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Translated into English.

SU SuisseChris Veteran ·
Hello,

Just because Joel described how he felt doesn’t take away my right to react to that same description... I have the right, like anyone else, to express myself on this forum and to regret that the story didn’t mention the people and their conditions.

JoJoone has his own sensitivity—he described this place with his own perspective.

Saying that not denouncing something is somehow condoning it is just disheartening and insulting to the author of this post.

If you think it *should* be denounced, why not start your own thread about it?

Telling someone that if they don’t denounce something, they’re condoning it (those are your words) is a misguided oversimplification in this case.

Have a great Saturday!
L'éternité c'est très long....surtout vers la fin (Woody Allen)
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Hello,

On a lighter note while still respecting the honorable beliefs and positions of everyone here, a fellow countryman wrote not too long ago: "If the mystic still doesn’t know the secret of this World, I wonder where the bartender could’ve learned it."

That said, let’s quote Khun Kiattisak "Kittie" Prapadarachawissanunpol from the Asian Economic Studies for Proper Involvement (AESPI) during his memorable speech on the 5th day of the Steinbach Meet-up: "[...] one day—don’t be surprised—the Englishwomen from Manchester will sell their bodies to young Burmese men."

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PS post edit: correction from the official translator: "[...] one day—don’t be surprised—the Englishmen from Manchester will sell their bodies to young Burmese women." Have a great weekend! !
A la lumière des années passées dépend la vitesse
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
A big thank you to all the recent contributors who’ve kept this travel journal alive and made it accessible to even more future travelers. There’s always some little tip that can come in handy.

Special thanks to Michant, Nolack, SuisseChris, Renosu, and Nato. In your comments, I’ve seen courage, moderation, discernment, and intelligence. I’m certainly not the best judge, but your contributions do this forum proud.

I’ve grown used to the yearly intrusion of a troll or hypersensitive folks who seem so bothered by the aesthetics of the images that they can’t stand it. What I didn’t understand, though, were several warnings via private messages from members who post less, have stopped posting, or even changed their usernames. Turns out, you’re welcomed warmly by big contributors—until they feel you’re overshadowing them a bit. Those for whom this is their main occupation then feel like they’re losing their tool for influence and popularity. That’s never been my goal, though. Before I go prepare for the next trip, I’d like to invite anyone who’s discovered places here to drop by later and say hi on the story—maybe even add some extra info.

To those who enjoyed Françoise’s photos, I’ll see you this winter for a new travel journal.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OB Obeoandpai Globetrotter ·
Thank you to all the recent contributors for keeping this travel journal alive and thus making it accessible to a wider audience of future travelers. There’s always some tip or other that can be useful. A special thanks to Michant, Nolack, SuisseChris, Renosu, and Nato. In your comments, I’ve seen courage, moderation, discernment, and intelligence. While I’m certainly not the best judge, your contributions are the kind that do a forum proud. I’ve grown used to the yearly intrusion of a troll or hypersensitive individuals seemingly disturbed by the aesthetics of the images to the point that it becomes unbearable for them. However, I hadn’t understood several warnings via private messages from members who contribute less, no longer contribute, or have even changed their usernames. Indeed, you’re welcomed warmly by big contributors until they feel you’re overshadowing them a bit too much. Those for whom this is their main occupation then feel stripped of their tool for influence and popularity. Yet that’s not my goal at all. Before setting off to prepare the next trip, I invite those who’ve discovered places here to stop by later and say hello on the story, possibly adding extra information. To those who enjoyed Françoise’s photos, I’ll see you this winter for a new travel journal.

Hi Joel, I read your message with interest. I’d be happy to respond in a courteous manner, if you can assure me that my replies won’t be censored. Otherwise, we’ll leave it at that.
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PI Pirandy Veteran ·
Thanks Joël for this amazing journal, and thanks also to Françoise for all those beautiful photos—it was such a pleasure reading you! 😉 Patricia
MA Maclouf Regular ·
And even in Samui, the Thai people are super friendly, no hard sell, and you might have just gotten lucky! J P
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
After it kept happening, you’ve gotta believe it wasn’t by chance, JP!
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
TO Torpan Regular ·
Thanks for this story and these gorgeous photos—they’ve given me some great ideas for exploring Thailand next year!
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Thanks for the kind words. Hope your trip lives up to your expectations.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OR Orphieth ·
Hi Joël, I really enjoyed reading your travel journal—it’s making me even more eager to go back to Thailand! You’ve captured some amazing moments, both in photos and videos, and I appreciate the care you put into your writing.

Christophe nailed it when describing your journal, and I completely agree. The way your sensitivity shines through is what makes it so special.

I don’t post on the forum nearly enough—I’m 28 but already have a great trip to the Land of Smiles under my belt...

Looking forward to reading more from you! !
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Aside from your kind reply, I’m happy to say you still have plenty of time to see a lot of the country and experience some of these sights in person. In the meantime, you can check out my other travel journals by clicking on my username. Françoise is glad to see this journal resurface—thanks again.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Apart from your kind message, I’m happy to say you still have plenty of time to see a lot of the country and experience some of these images in real life. In the meantime, you can check out my other travel journals by clicking on my username. Françoise is glad to see this journal resurface, thanks again.

++ The rest !
A la lumière des années passées dépend la vitesse
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Someone’s gonna have to sponsor me! 😉
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
NA Nato233 Globetrotter ·
Gonna need a sponsor for this! 😉

DM me your IBAN :)

The world upside down!
A la lumière des années passées dépend la vitesse
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
No, I'll just put it in the next message so everyone can join in! 🙂
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
12 12Condom ·
Hello, Thank you for your site—it’s simply amazing and really inspiring! We’ve booked a stay at the SWANA Hotel from February 1st to 8th. I have a very practical question: what tips can you give us for getting around during our stay? It seems like boats and taxis are the main options? For taxis, should we negotiate the fare, or are there meters like in Vietnam? Thanks in advance for any advice you can share. Best, André rage.ritti@gmail.com
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Absolutely, the answers to these questions are all in the travel journals.
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
NG Ngocnhutthuy ·
I’ll be in Chiang Mai in May, and I really enjoyed your travel journal. What worries me most is not being able to find transportation to take us to those charming, isolated spots with Buddha statues like the ones you showed. I hope we can manage in Thai or English to make ourselves understood. Anyway, thanks for your very descriptive journal—it’s given me lots of ideas for our upcoming trip.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Don’t worry—like I often say, if you can’t find a taxi, tuk-tuk, songthaew, or samlor on the street, your guesthouse or hotel will practically always dig up a driver for you. Before you head out, make sure to jot down the names of the places you want to visit. Thanks for the comment—it’s great to know the travel journal can be helpful!
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
DA Daisyone Globetrotter ·
I wanted to thank you for the café address in Chiang Mai—it’s a true haven of peace. The place is popular now, and we had to wait 15 minutes for a seat!
daisy
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
It’s not my fault!

Sooner or later, everything ends up on certain well-known sites. And it’s true—if a place gave us pleasure, how can we not wish it success? The spot isn’t huge, and given the crowd in Chiang Mai, it fills up fast.

Thanks for the updates! !
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
RO Romainltdr ·
What a lovely travel journal that sparks dreams! Thanks for sharing this with the site members! See you soon! :)
Romain ALTHEY
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hi, thanks for stopping by and leaving a note. Following up on your recent discussion, this was the way to extend the trip by over a month...🙂
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hello Joel, I read your message with interest. I’d be happy to respond in a courteous manner, if you can assure me that my answers won’t be censored. Otherwise, we’ll leave it at that.

Hello PAI (no, I’m kidding!)

With humor, we notice that in life, we sometimes make absurd parallels. For example, your proposals for meet-ups and discussions remind me of those movies where the godfather arranges a little exchange of viewpoints in a discreet place. And systematically, the poor guy involved ends up getting his face rearranged like a puzzle. Since you like crime films, I’m sure these references resonate with you. 😎

You also mentioned a little hint from me, which actually wouldn’t have revealed much, admit it. Like with my travels, I have multiple sources, not recent ones, and not the ones you think. I already knew certain things even before I learned what GBO stands for behind our mutual friend’s username. There’s someone who should’ve opened an intelligence agency...🙂 To be honest, you never really know who’s behind the keyboard, what their capabilities are, or who they know. Just like in real life, in the end. Deep down, I’ve even managed to be very discreet. I particularly insist on the fact that none of us bears responsibility for certain burdens, and also regarding the events from about fifteen years ago. Despite some teasing, I’m more on the side of those who wanted to live than on the side of the great moralizers—who, I’ve long understood, are absolutely the worst. But be careful not to become one yourself!

I really appreciated some of the exchanges over the last two seasons because they allowed me to dust off my tactical and guerrilla instincts. What breaks some people elevates others. It’s simple: when the action starts, sometimes I can’t even stop! Yet, it’s not easy when the Brain, lurking in the shadows, sends his henchmen. That’s the moment to spare a thought for those who had to resign from the discussion space because they were targeted by the same inconsiderate people and unable to defend themselves because they’re less sneaky. Sometimes, in a private message, a wounded heart testifies... It seems that lately, a little justice has been served. The tables have turned!

We’ll have a hard time agreeing on travel journals. Indeed, when people post their photos and videos in journals that aren’t theirs, sorry, but it feels like a cuckoo laying eggs in someone else’s nest. I’m not saying this in general—it’s just about those who want to show off or do it on purpose. I’m also aware that those who cry loudly about not being able to "share" are actually bothered by the inability to degrade the work of those who disturb them. If forgiveness might seem possible, we can always hope for forgetting. To my great, very great regret, life has taught me that in operations, hostilities only cease with crushing defeat.

Let’s ultimately congratulate ourselves for being among the lucky ones who have a particular attraction to Thailand and for having a tool for information and conviviality like VF at our fingertips. All I have to offer here is a bit of humor—more or less well-received—some images, and anecdotes... but at least I do it!

And as our friend Chanthabanni used to say: good luck and happy exploring!
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
JO Jodelavega Veteran ·
Good evening Joël, and madam,

While listening to the Moody Blues, I just finished reading the 9 pages of this travel journal. A few personal remarks;

Kept me hooked for long minutes; To my taste—which isn’t yours 😉—way too many local religious buildings; but no Catholic churches or mosques; yet there’s a splendid one in Chiang Mai.

--Wat Suan Dok—I knew it as the "Temple of the Princesses" because I’d been told that beneath each chedi lies a royal princess.

--Traditional houses are generally on stilts; they can be relatively old, though a hundred years in Thailand is almost prehistoric by European standards... I’m not mocking—you’ll have to ask the Burmese to come apologize for destroying the capital Ayutthaya in 1767, along with all the archives, and taking some 600,000 prisoners into slavery. Repentance is all the rage these days, especially from our president... With the Burmese, there’s little chance of that happening. And those with a concrete ground floor—5.5 cm-thick cinder blocks, basically like cigarette paper—can be just as old as the ones next door without a concrete ground floor.

Many Thais build these concrete walls to expand their homes, but it’s a mistake—they realize it too late, of course. Without the walls, the houses stay much cooler, and the best part of the open-air ground floor is that it doubles as a *sala*—you can nap in the shade or even park the pickup if it’s not too tall...

--A "monk" smoking a cigarette or glued to a smartphone isn’t a real monk; there are way too many of these fake monks in Thailand, and way too many recurring scandals involving them—whether fake monks or even real ones messing around with kids, drugs, or both... Not a day goes by without a similar story in the Thai tabloids. It’s not just the Catholic Church 😕

--Closed toilets on buses... The answer is simple: the words repair and maintain don’t exist in the 18-volume Thai dictionary.

--Pattaya, since you mentioned it or replied to kekun... You might be surprised—a huge part of the city rarely, if ever, sees a *farang*...

--Anecdote about the 9 monks posing for the photo; Taking that photo would be impossible or unthinkable in Vietnam because you always need an even number of people in a picture. That’s the rule, at least in the province of Huế.

--The reception girls who take off; yet these young women usually have a bachelor’s degree (or higher) and a tourism diploma from a university, like Kasetsart in Sakon Nakhon...

--Real jam... In Thailand, aside from imported Western jams, there are only 3 kinds: strawberry, pineapple, and orange. At Makro, you can buy them in 4.3 kg jars for about 400 baht each.

To wrap up, Suphanburi... Another town I biked through on my way up to Tak and then Chiang Mai...

And it’s at Suphanburi’s bus terminal where you catch a local bus to Ayutthaya or Kanchanaburi.

This journal is fantastic, and the photos are stunning—kudos to madam.
LB LBfamily Veteran ·
Stop bumping this post—I’m forcing myself not to read it!!!!😇

I made myself read the travel journals in order and I haven’t gotten there yet😛! You’re all trying to make me crack!
Sabai sabai 💓
LB LBfamily Veteran ·
Well, too late, I'm done for... And since we're (apparently) heading north this year after all, I couldn't resist any longer—I had to dive into your story!

That first photo is absolutely stunning! You're so talented.

One thing's for sure, the way you describe Baan Phor Liang Meun makes us want to go there so badly—it's definitely going on our 2019 itinerary! Thanks for the gorgeous photos and this travel journal that already looks so fun!!
Sabai sabai 💓
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Good evening Joël, and madam

In my opinion, which isn’t yours 😉, far too many local religious buildings; but no Catholic churches or mosques; yet there’s a splendid one in Chiang Mai.

This travel journal is great, especially the magnificent photos; compliments to madam.

Hello,

We don’t go to Asia to see churches, and even less so mosques. We don’t really create these travel journals for someone to say there are too many temples, but so that someone can realize we offer a detailed view of many temples. The idea is also to make it easier for those who want to visit them or those who don’t know which ones to choose. Among them, there were quite a few that were previously unseen.

Your thoughts are packed with interesting info, but we regularly see that the opinions of people who live there differ from those of tourists. It’s completely normal, actually: on one side, there’s experience, routine, and realism, while on the other, there’s still wonder, discovery, and a bit of naivety.

Otherwise, okay, I’ll pass on the compliments to madam and none to myself...🙂
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Thanks for all these lovely comments. We try to create something enjoyable and presentable. It’s great if it tempts you—winter feels lighter when you’re dreaming of your next trip...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
OM Omega3 Veteran ·
Thanks for your travel journal. I don’t follow you regularly, but I do when I need info—and now’s the time!

We’re in Chiang Mai for 15 days. We’re on a mid-range budget, getting around on foot, and staying in a guesthouse with a big pool (super useful after our long morning walks) in the northeast part of the city, the Sri Poom neighborhood.

Every day brings new temples—magnificent ones.

Even after my fourth trip to Chiang Mai, I’m still discovering new things.

Thanks to you, I’ve found even more outings to explore.

Your Khmer-style temple should be in my area—could you pinpoint it for me? Thanks!

Modestly, this is my fourth post about Chiang Mai: odile-en-chemin.over-blog.com.







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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hi Odile,

Thanks for your photos—I can see the sun is beating down!

If you mentioned "the Baan Phor Liang Meun. When you arrive at Chiang Mai Gate, take Phra Pok Khlao Road for a few meters, then turn onto soi 2 (alley 2). It’s actually the first one on the left.", I’ll point out that it’s to the southeast of the historic square.
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CO Cocata ·
Oh wow, what a joy to read your story Jojoone1!! I feel so much gratitude for the amazing written reporting you’ve done!! We’re heading to Chiang Mai as a couple in January 2020—we never take organized tours, and aside from a Rough Guide (which we’ve barely flipped through), we had absolutely no bearings... Thanks to you, our discovery trip is really coming together. We’ve only been to India before, and I can see that Thailand is quite different.... The temples you mention, which you’ve so kindly illustrated with gorgeous photos, are so appealing and are now on our checklist... We’re continuing to read to find the perfect quiet island(s) with snorkeling that would suit us for about ten days to round out this upcoming trip, which has taken such a great shape in just a few days.

Wishing you all the best (from Sète!!)
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hello,

I didn’t have the presence of mind to reply at the time. Out of curiosity, I’d love to know how it all went (just in time before Covid?).

Don’t hesitate if you feel like sharing a bit about the north and the islands...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Shake a leg, I can't wait to read the rest...

You’ve used that phrase a few times in your posts. I’m not familiar with what it means...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
In the Sathorn district, roughly south of Lumphini Park, it’s a great idea to visit Mr. Kukrit Pramoj’s house. This extraordinary figure was a banker, novelist, journalist, actor, and prime minister. He left behind his two-hectare urban estate, where he had traditional houses brought and reconstructed. Entry is 50 baht, with opening hours from 10 AM to 4 PM. This preserves another piece of old Thailand, with modern buildings in the background. The garden’s layout on both sides is well done. A little off the main avenues, it’s a peaceful haven. We’re quickly approached by an elderly man sitting quietly, repairing trinkets. We charm him, and he’s eager to chat. Confidence, experience, culture, and refined education are all immediately apparent. When he explains—in a mix of French and English—that he repairs small items, creates little art objects, and preserves his father’s legacy, we realize we’re sitting with Mr. Rongrit Pramoj, son of Mr. Kukrit and great-great-grandson of Rama II. As a good host, he promptly has drinks brought to us. Time flies as we chat, and soon he asks where we’re headed. We explain we have a set time for a culinary meet-up and need to leave.

He then decides to have his driver take us. Seeing our hesitation, he says in his charming English accent, "You know, he uses the car to visit his mistress, so since he’s paid for it, he might as well drive the people I ask him to take somewhere." No comment—it was so spontaneous and hilarious in that context. We’ve been spoiled this year by the variety and quality of the people we’ve met.

I’m replying years after this travel journal was published. I won’t miss this visit—especially since it’s in the neighborhood where I rented my apartment.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Françoise had spotted a restaurant she was absolutely determined to try. When she’s set on something, it’s usually a great idea.

The driver dropped us off at Siam Wisdom, in a quiet corner of Sukhumvit. This beautiful house was built around a large tree, which still thrives right in the middle. The new owner is French with Thai origins. She did us a favor by exceptionally letting us set up our table outside since her usual clientele is high-end and dines in the air-conditioned rooms.

The concept is a rediscovery of lost traditional Thai recipes, focusing on their finest and most refined aspects. We could only be impressed, having had the chance to taste the results: everything was top-notch, with many unique flavors. We appreciated it even more because the owner decided to vary the dishes so that we’d never have the same thing and could try everything. We didn’t think we’d still have the capacity to eat so much, but we have to admit we didn’t have to force ourselves (well… maybe a little toward the end…).

Obviously, after that, there was no point in trying to visit a temple 😛

I absolutely don’t want to miss this!!! How much was the bill?
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
I’ve just finished reading this travel journal after... eight years, I think? I’m not sure if all the information I picked up is still up-to-date... But generally, when I read a travel journal, it’s not to get restaurant or hotel prices—it’s to "feel like going there" after reading it...

I really enjoyed the detailed descriptions that make you want to go. But what I love most are the anecdotes about what you experienced and your personal feelings about what you discovered. The photos are stunning, even if Françoise calls them "travel photos" with a slightly dismissive tone... It makes me wonder about my own, which are all just "vacation photos."

A huge thank you to both of you for this journal. And I’m diving right into... 2014...

One thought, though... Don’t share good off-the-beaten-path spots publicly, because they won’t stay that way for long. They’ll quickly be taken over by tour operators who’ll bring in busloads of tourists. The same goes for hotels and restaurants—they’ll either hike up their prices or lower their quality to cater to the masses...

Same idea with handing out candy to kids, overly generous tips, and other well-meaning but awkward tourist behaviors.

See you later... in 2014...😉
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Obviously, after that there was no point trying to visit another temple

I absolutely don’t want to miss this!!! How much was the bill?

It was around 60 € per person. All the big corporate execs, like BMW, have group meals there.

Obviously, if you stuff yourself less, the bill will be lighter.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
It was around 60 € per person. All the execs from big companies like BMW have group meals there. Obviously, if you stuff yourself less, the bill will be lighter.

I kinda figured... But honestly, for that kind of price, I’d rather spend my money elsewhere. Too bad.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I just finished reading this travel journal after... Eight years, I think? I don’t know if all the info I gathered is still up-to-date... But generally, when I read a travel journal, it’s not to get restaurant or hotel prices—it’s to "feel like going there" after reading it... I really appreciated the detailed descriptions that make you want to go. But what I love most are the anecdotes about what you experienced and your personal feelings about what you discovered. The photos are stunning, even if Françoise calls them "travel photos" with a somewhat dismissive tone... It makes me wonder about my own, which are all just "vacation photos." A huge thank you to both of you for this journal. And I’m diving right into... 2014... One comment, though... Don’t share good addresses for "off-the-beaten-path" spots publicly, because they won’t stay that way for long and will quickly be overrun by tour operators bringing in busloads of tourists. The same goes for hotels and restaurants—they’ll either hike up their prices or lower the quality to cater to the masses... Same idea with giving candy to kids, overly generous tips, and other well-meaning but clumsy tourist moves. See you later... in 2014...😉

Looking back, we know we could’ve done better in terms of style, storytelling, and even some of the photos. But at the time, we prioritized actually enjoying the trip over obsessing over the future travel journal.

Then, when it came to writing the journals, we realized our time wasn’t limitless. We were already back in the grind—work, errands, obligations, and so on. The writing suffered a bit, but for a volunteer effort, you can’t expect too much, right?

As for addresses and great tips, my first instinct was always to share freely and generously. I’m totally comfortable with the fact that my opinion on this has completely changed. We want to change the world, but the world changes us. Anyway, I still drop a few tips now and then, but I’m much more selective.

That said, I doubt info shared on a French-speaking forum would cause a stampede in certain places. If anything, it’d be more likely on German or English-speaking forums—those seem more inclined to do serious research, plan thoroughly, and share. And by share, I mean in both directions...

Finally, when it comes to photos, there’s no denying Françoise has a natural talent, especially for portraits. She also had real training, which most beginners won’t have. Given how tough and critical she is, I can confirm that her positive opinion of your photos speaks volumes.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
After a few minutes' walk for our first Bangkok by night in a long time, we discovered a rooftop on the 5th floor with a fantastic view of the river and the illuminated Wat Arun. Needless to say, we stayed there for quite a while, at our table right by the railing, soaking in the view. Plus, it was one of those summer nights with visible stars. On the other side of the rooftop, there are a few sofas offering a view of Wat Pho and the Royal Palace a little further away. Without the crowds, just a blessed moment.



Hi Joël, I’ve picked up reading your travel journals again. Given how close my departure is, I’m focusing on everything related to Bangkok. And I came across this. Too bad you didn’t mention the name of this restaurant this time... I’m looking for a place: a restaurant, a bar, or any other spot at the top of a building—and not too expensive—where I could take photos of Bangkok at night...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Several temples indeed coexist where we’re headed. First and foremost, Wat Paknam. It’s been around since the 16th century, and there’s clearly a crowd on-site: several hundred monks, nuns, and novices. The small chapel is a marvel. Not only are the frescoes depicting the life of Buddha of the highest quality, adorned with gold illuminations, but those positioned below represent various royal temples, as well as monks and sovereigns.

In a small courtyard between two buildings, the statue of a monk and that of an elephant are honored and covered in gold by throngs of pilgrims. We follow the flow of visitors up a staircase. Everywhere, there’s precious wood. And we emerge into a vast room where everyone is kneeling in prayer before the coffin of the venerable monk, who passed away in 1959 and turned a nearly abandoned temple into a global center for spreading Buddhist faith. On a small platform along the windows, monks are seated, chanting. We can’t quite get used to it, and that’s a good thing.

We didn’t visit the gigantic 80-meter white chedi built just a few years ago at a fortune’s cost. It’s said to be worth the trip—we’ll probably go back someday.

The small Wat Mo doesn’t quite measure up to its prestigious neighbor. Still, we pause for a moment in front of its mini-mountain, home to about thirty Buddhas, all draped in orange.

Wat Kun Chan completes the trio in a radically different style. It seems they used up all the leftover colorful paint they hadn’t used for other temples here. Worth noting: the little neighborhood around these temples is full of old houses—a small preserved slice of old Bangkok...

Thanks so much, Joël, for the tip about these temples in Thonburi. I’ll definitely make sure to visit them. I’m planning to spend an entire day getting lost in Thonburi. I’m wondering whether a long boat ride through the khlongs would be better or, as I like to do, wandering aimlessly through the alleys with my nose in the air...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
In the Sathorn district, roughly south of Lumphini Park, it’s a great idea to visit the home of Mr. Kukrit Pramoj. This extraordinary figure was a banker, novelist, journalist, actor, and prime minister.

Entry is 50 baht, with opening hours from 10 AM to 4 PM. It’s a preserved slice of old Thailand, with modern buildings as a backdrop. The garden’s layout on both sides is beautifully done. A little off the main avenues, it’s a peaceful haven.

Those with some means who are planning to get married can rent part of the place for the occasion.

However, our visit this year wasn’t quite complete because we were quickly approached by an elderly man sitting quietly, repairing trinkets. We caught his interest, and he was eager to chat. Confidence, experience, culture, and refined education were all immediately apparent. When he explained—in a mix of French and English—that he repairs small items, creates little art objects, and preserves his father’s legacy, we realized we were sitting with Mr. Rongrit Pramoj, son of Mr. Kukrit and great-great-grandson of Rama II. As a gracious host, he promptly had drinks brought to us. Time flew by as we chatted, and eventually, he asked where we were headed. We explained we had a set time for a culinary meet-up and needed to leave.

He then arranged for his driver to take us. Seeing our hesitation, he said in his charming English accent, "You know, he uses the car to visit his mistress, so since he’s paid for it, he might as well drive the people I ask him to." No comment—it was so spontaneous and hilarious in that context. We’ve been spoiled this year by the variety and quality of the people we’ve met.

This is the area where I’ll be staying during my week in Bangkok. This house is already on my "itinerary" for local visits near my accommodation. In fact, I’d like to start on my first day (I arrive in the morning) by getting my bearings and learning how to get around this huge city with visits near where I’m staying. I won’t rush straight to the crowded tourist spots as soon as I arrive... Besides, I’m not even sure I’ll visit those packed places. I’d prefer to explore temples and other more intimate curiosities...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Hi Joël, I’ve picked up reading your travel journals again. Given how close my departure is, I’m focusing on everything related to Bangkok. And I came across this. Too bad you didn’t mention the name of that restaurant this time... I’m looking for a place: a restaurant, a bar, or any other spot at the top of a building—one that isn’t too pricey—where I could take night photos of Bangkok...

Didn’t you see it in my BKK tips? Double-check, and if not, let me know via PM. But 1) I need to dig through my archive files, and 2) after a few years, it’s gotta still be there.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi Joël, I’ve picked up reading your travel journals again. Given how close my departure is, I’m focusing on everything about Bangkok. And I came across this. Too bad you didn’t mention the name of that restaurant this time... I’m looking for a place: a restaurant, a bar, or any spot at the top of a building—one that’s not too pricey—where I can take night photos of Bangkok...

Didn’t you see it in my BKK info? Double-check, and if not, let me know via PM. But 1) I need to dig through my old archives, and 2) after a few years, it might not even exist anymore.

Yes, yes, sorry for the oversight. Shortly after posting, I found a certain BAR you mentioned:

in the Grand Palace area. Perfect for getting a high view in the evening, with the river, boats, and illuminated temples.

I just need to check if they serve anything other than cocktails and if they have happy hours. If so, it’ll probably be during the day, since others have the same idea for night photos! ;) But why not both day and night? Pick a time when you can snag a table quickly near the railing... Before the platform gets overrun by photographers instead of customers...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I didn’t go during peak season. The best thing is to arrive before nightfall to enjoy one of the spots right by the river.

If you take your time—say, with two drinks—you’ll get your daytime and nighttime photos.

Right next to that place, there was another spot with a balcony that looked even bigger. Maybe a bit fancier? Worth checking out.

You’ll want to verify if it still exists, but it’s pretty likely.
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
The best thing is to arrive before it gets dark to enjoy one of the seats right by the river. By lingering a bit—say, over two drinks—you’ll get your daytime and nighttime photos.

That’s exactly what I was planning. I guess night falls early there, around 6 or 7 PM. But you really have to want it, because the drinks are pricey! I saw the prices on the menu. And apparently, you have to book a table several days in advance...

Right next to this place, there was another spot with an even bigger balcony. Maybe a bit fancier? Worth checking out. You’ll need to verify if it still exists, but it’s pretty likely.

Yeah, I saw both places, but the second one is even more expensive... They’re taking advantage of our foolishness—everyone wanting the same nighttime photos... I’ll have to think about it some more... There are great night views of the lit-up buildings from my hotel’s rooftop... Of course, it’s not the same as the temples, the palace, or the nighttime traffic...
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I just came back to check the comments. The prices are exorbitant, the service is lacking... But most of all, after seeing other people’s photos, it’s not what I’m looking for. I’d rather have buildings, huge glowing billboards in every color, car traffic... Life, you know! In the end, those photos of illuminated monuments feel static, almost lifeless, and they all look the same everywhere online and elsewhere... It reminds me of all those places famous for sunsets that are packed with people... And you get tired of seeing thousands of sunsets from the same spot. Like photos of the Taj Mahal. Our friend "Partirdeloin" was absolutely right. Might as well photograph a pretty old, run-down, and grimy house that tells a story of life... in some forgotten neighborhood where no one ever gets lost...
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
There’s an amazing spot to grab a coffee in Chiang Mai: Baan Phor Liang Meun. Once you reach Chiang Mai Gate, head down Phra Pok Khlao Road for a few meters and take soi 2 (alley 2). It’s actually the first one on the left. After a few dozen meters, you’ll find yourself walking alongside what looks like a Khmer temple.

Permanently closed!!! 🙁 Most likely another Covid casualty!
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
There’s another one in the outskirts of Lampang—very aesthetic and set on a beautiful expanse of land. It also has a café and restaurant.
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