Canceled and rescheduled flight the day before: Am I entitled to a hotel reimbursement during my layover?
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FI
Hello,

Back in February, I booked a flight with Air France-KLM from Lyon to San Diego with a layover in Amsterdam (flights operated by KLM). The flight is scheduled for late August. My Lyon→Amsterdam flight was canceled by KLM in June, and a replacement flight the evening before was booked for me. So, I’ll end up spending the night at Amsterdam Airport to catch my flight to San Diego the next morning.

Since the cancellation happened more than 14 days before departure, I know I’m not entitled to financial compensation (EU Regulation 261/2004). But am I entitled to reimbursement for a hotel night in Amsterdam?
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello,

I mean, you could have refused the offer and been fully refunded. It’s also possible there were several alternative options.

Michel
FI Filou42 ·
Thanks Michel for your reply.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I'm not sure it's as simple as in Tatra's reply.

Check out this discussion.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Oh, absolutely. In real life, it’s just like I said.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
In real life, airlines do everything they can to avoid respecting passengers' rights, hoping they won’t be too procedural.

It works with a Tatra, but it breaks with an ElviajeroPar.

After all, they’d be foolish not to take advantage, since there are way more Tatras than ElviajeroPars.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I don’t feel like arguing with you. You can send whatever formal notices you want, take whoever you want to court, do whatever you want. The last airline that pulled this was TK. It was a Budapest-Tokyo Narita flight. They offered me departures from Vienna or Zagreb, date changes, or even a flight to Haneda instead. All of that with no fees, no lawsuits, and if I wanted, I could cancel. I ended up changing things to my advantage—flights that were initially really expensive. And I eventually canceled everything because I needed to stay in Hungary for personal reasons that don’t concern you. At some point, you’ve got to be pragmatic. Drop the principles—they’ll cave eventually. 😏

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
It goes both ways.

(Your leniency toward airlines is kinda funny, seeing how hard you argue to the point of absurdity here... )
FI Filou42 ·
I'm not sure it's as simple as Tatra's response.

See this discussion.

Thanks Attila for your comment. I just got a negative response from KLM after my online claim. I’ll follow up with KLM via a registered letter after my trip, and if their response is still negative, I’ll take it to the tourism and travel mediator. It’s not so much about the amount at stake but I feel I’m within my rights under the current regulations.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

Legally, what Attila says is true. But real life rarely aligns with legal norms, and thankfully so, I’d say. It’d be unbearable otherwise. So, you *can* try to get something from KLM—technically, you’re within your rights. In my view, booking so far in advance also means accepting this kind of thing, keeping the bigger picture in mind. That’s always been my approach.

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Did you ask KLM for a rerouting that would avoid an overnight in Amsterdam? I’ve had a similar situation before, and instead of a direct flight to Amsterdam, I transited through Roissy. Sure, it was an extra layover, but I didn’t have to pay for anything. That said, it’s also a matter of preference—whether you’d rather sleep in Amsterdam and pay for the night yourself, since KLM doesn’t seem to cover it.
FI Filou42 ·
Thanks for your message, Erjome.

My flight to San Diego is at 9:50 AM from Amsterdam, and since I can’t change it, it’s tough to add another layover to get to Amsterdam the same day from Lyon.
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

From Lyon to San Diego, there are flights with Air France and Delta via Paris plus another layover, and KLM and Delta flights via Amsterdam plus another layover, with comparable travel times.

Air France, Delta, and KLM work hand in hand.

So, take a look here: https://www.google.com/travel/flights?hl=fr to see if another flight with these airlines might work for you (don’t worry about the price) and reach out to KLM.

If you haven’t yet agreed to the rebooking they offered, it shouldn’t be a problem, and you won’t have to pay extra even if the flight costs more.

Best regards,
FI Filou42 ·
Thanks. Since I don’t fly often, I’ll remember your advice—you’re right, we could’ve gone through Paris, then LA, then a Delta flight to San Diego without having an overnight layover in Amsterdam. Unfortunately, I confirmed the flight offered for the day before. Plus, I’m also wary of how long customs procedures take when arriving in the US in LA.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello,

And the flight change interface didn’t offer you a bunch of options, like leaving from another airport or having a different layover?... You often have to dig a little deeper beyond the first suggestion they give.

Michel
FI Filou42 ·
KLM’s offer was, to say the least, very much slanted toward taking the flight the day before!
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Did you, or did you not, agree to this re-routing?

Best regards,
FI Filou42 ·
Hello,

Yes, absolutely.

Best regards,
EL ElviajeroPar Globetrotter ·
This agreement is irreversible.
FI Filou42 ·
All good. Thanks. I’ll leave it at that. Best regards

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