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Hitchhiking in the 70s-80s
by Aquiceara · 2025-09-13 · 18 replies


“Hey, your Marker... - My Marker? - The one you used to make hitchhiking signs.”

The marker in question is sitting proudly on the kitchen table. Marielle found it at the bottom of a moving box.

I’ve been meaning to tell the long story of my love affair with hitchhiking for years. Here we go.

To be honest, I’m not quite sure when it started. My earliest memory goes back to a fair with a bike race in my maternal grandparents’ village. I was with my cousin, my little sister, and three girl cousins. There were six of us, ages ranging from six or seven to thirteen or fourteen. Our parents stayed at the fair, and we’d had enough. So we decided to walk home. Only it was four kilometers away. So we hitchhiked. A guy driving an old car picked us all up and dropped us off at the farm. He probably found it amusing to see us thumbing a ride by the side of the road, but maybe it also worried him a bit. With everything you read in the papers...

Around fifteen or sixteen, I started hitchhiking regularly, alone or with a friend, to go to the nearby town. But it was especially when I started boarding school in Orléans that it became more regular. The first year, I’d leave Monday morning and come back Saturday noon by bus. It was an old, uncomfortable bus where we froze in winter. To make matters worse, I often got motion sickness if, as was too often the case, I ended up sitting in the back. In the spring, a high school friend suggested I hitchhike back. It meant a slight detour, but the advantage was taking only national roads.

So that’s how, from the end of tenth grade to twelfth grade, I’d thumb a ride every Saturday on the Pont de Bourgogne. Drivers were used to seeing young people hitchhiking, and it worked pretty well. Our biggest fear? Soldiers! At that time, military service was still mandatory, and on weekends, it wasn’t rare to see them competing with us. They’d keep their uniforms on to go home. That gave people confidence—with everything you read in the papers—and they’d rarely wait more than five minutes. We, with our long hair, were definitely less popular. From time to time, three big red-faced guys in a van coming back from a construction site would flip us off, yelling things like “go get a haircut, you bums!” Those were the good old days.

We still had a good laugh, though. Patrice, the friend I’d hitchhike back from school with on Saturdays, is a musician—I’d later discover he’s an excellent composer. A die-hard Beatles fan, he knows their repertoire by heart and spends his time singing at the top of his lungs while we thumb a ride. One Saturday late morning, we’d been waiting for a while at the exit of Châteauneuf-sur-Loire when a little lady came up to him and asked if he could please sing a little quieter: a baby was sleeping in the house. He put on the most sorry face: “Oh, sorry ma’am, we didn’t realize.” No sooner had the lady gone back inside than he started again. Luckily, a car stopped just then, sparing me the embarrassment of seeing the lady come back out.

Saturday was also the day when the cigarette pack was dangerously low. So before leaving, we’d go buy some “Parisiennes,” the “P4s” as we called them back then. They were slightly thinner cigarettes with a mix of tobacco scraps. Sometimes they tasted like light tobacco, sometimes like dark. Not great, but by the end of the week, our pocket money was gone. They were sold in small packs of four, hence the name P4. We’d only pay 20 centimes. On Saturdays, it was rare for the two of us to manage to scrape together 1.50 F to buy a whole pack of Gauloises...

The last twenty kilometers, I’d usually do alone, Patrice having reached his destination. From time to time, luck would smile on me: an acquaintance would just happen to pass by and stop. One January Saturday, at the exit of Gien, I ran into another guy from Argenton whom I knew a little. That day, the weather was nice, but the temperature was well below zero. It was around noon, and it was the off-peak hour. We were shivering, stamping our feet by the side of the road, when a Citroën “Tube” arrived: it was his father’s boss’s, a mason. They were both sitting in the front, but since they were obese, they had us climb onto the open back. Even though we huddled against the cab to shelter from the wind, the twenty kilometers felt very long, especially since we were only going sixty kilometers an hour. Our hands and cheeks were blue when we finally arrived.

The year I took my baccalaureate, a friend with a 2CV would take me Monday mornings with one or two others we’d pick up in nearby villages. We’d share the gas costs, but it was still cheaper than the bus. And in winter, the bus was my nightmare. You had to get up at five to catch it at six. Not enough sleep, and outside it was freezing or raining—or both. The 2CV was luxury. Plus, Philippe would pick me up at home. On the other hand, since I didn’t have class Saturday mornings—well, I did, but we only had PE the first two hours and nothing after—I’d skip class and slip out right after breakfast to thumb a ride at the Pont de Bourgogne.

Those three high school years were formative in this optional subject that was hitchhiking. Little by little, I learned the rules of the game. First, you shouldn’t walk along the road while thumbing. Cars go too fast and can’t stop easily. Accepting a ride that’s too short is also a no-go. The guy who offers to take you a little way but drops you off at some vague crossroads in the middle of nowhere? No thanks. You need to get dropped off in a town. If it’s a fairly big city, you often have to cross it from one end to the other, but it’s better. At the exit, you have to choose your spot well. Actually, you have to put yourself in the driver’s shoes: they need to see you early enough, not be going too fast, and be able to stop easily without risking an accident. So when leaving a city, it’s better not to go too far. It’s wiser to find a spot where cars go slowly and can stop easily. And preferably near a café. The café is for when you still have a few coins for a coffee and need to warm up. From time to time, you’d run into someone nice who’d make a detour to drop you off at a better spot to start again. Finally, if possible, avoid hitchhiking on Sundays. Cars are packed with whole families who, most of the time, aren’t going far. And then there’s the little worry of those people who rarely leave home: with everything you read in the papers...

During those high school years, it was only short trips, rarely exceeding a hundred kilometers. Later, I aimed bigger, and things were a bit different. In 1973-74, I crossed part of France for the first time on two or three occasions, coming back from the German border or returning to Bordeaux, where we lived briefly. Since there weren’t many highways back then, we took national roads. It was during these trips that I realized it was better to leave in the evening. As I said earlier, Sunday is to be avoided, but on weekdays, there’s another problem: if you leave in the morning, you only make short hops. First, it often takes longer to get going because drivers are people going to work nearby. Which brings us back to those who drop you off in a bad spot, far from everything. There, you have to know how to refuse. You thank the driver for stopping—oh, if only everyone could be like you—while explaining why you’d rather stay put. People don’t take offense, by the way. Those who pick up hitchhikers often hitchhiked themselves when they were in the military or before they had a car. In the late afternoon, you’d often run into salespeople or truckers, in other words, people who drive a lot. At that time, salespeople no longer had appointments and were more relaxed. They wanted to talk about something other than the merits of their products. On the radio, it was time for *Les Grosses Têtes*. You’d also quite often run into small business owners, professionals, or even hippies. The conversations were pleasant and often enriching. A little later in the evening, truckers would take over. They’d already driven a few hundred kilometers, and the depot or customs was still far away. So they’d gladly take a hitchhiker to stay awake at the wheel and chat. The radio with Max Ménier’s show *Les routiers sont sympas*, you’d eventually get tired of it. So a hitchhiker was a change. Others, who’d hit the road at midnight to be at their destination by morning, were nice and offered to let you lie down on the bunk while they drove. When you’d been hitchhiking since six in the evening, freezing in the wind between two vehicles, you weren’t unhappy to take a little nap.

Speaking of Max Ménier, he’d often make announcements for hitchhikers. One evening, I called him. It was getting late, and I still had quite a way to go. No luck: the show had ended for good the day before!

In short, it’s better not to rush, sleep in, and leave after lunch, or better yet, in the late afternoon. Obviously, I’m talking about when you have several hundred kilometers to cover. That’s when you have to play it pro.

First thing, especially at night, but it also applies in the middle of summer when the light is blinding: dress to be seen from far away. I’ll admit I have an advantage over most other hitchhikers: I’m small and don’t scare people. To balance that out, racist drivers often take me for an Arab and are less likely to pick me up, but overall, the balance tips in my favor. Back to the need to be seen: at night, I wear light-colored clothes. In headlights, you can see me from far away.

Second thing: travel light. Forget the big backpack with a frame. Drivers don’t always have room in the trunk or on the back seat, especially if it’s rained and the ground is wet. Plus, it forces them to get out of the car. If they’re nice enough to pick up a hitchhiker, you shouldn’t ask for too much either.

Third thing: bring a cardboard sign and a big marker—like the ones in the photo at the start of this post—to write the name of your destination. In the early 80s, I ran a tourist house in the Cher, but I lived in the Netherlands. In the off-season, it was only open on weekends. On Fridays, I’d leave Holland and return on Mondays. 1200 km round trip. On the way there, in Paris, I’d stand at Porte de la Chapelle. At that spot, the road is very wide, and drivers could stop easily. Obviously, on the sign, I didn’t write Eindhoven, which not everyone knows, and even less Amsterdam because of its seedy reputation. In that case, you’d expect to see a police car stop and two officers in kepis ask for your papers. So as a first destination, I’d write Compiègne. We were well out of Paris, and since it wasn’t too far, a trucker or salesperson was less reluctant to stop. Once past Compiègne, I’d take out my Lille sign. Once in Belgium, it wasn’t really necessary to use a sign anymore, since everyone was going in the same direction. Usually, the guy who picked me up at Porte de la Chapelle would say he wasn’t going far but could take me a little way. Before that, I’d still ask if there was a gas station on the highway where he could drop me off before exiting. While talking, the guy would realize he wasn’t dealing with a dangerous criminal. He’d pretend to check his watch, think for a moment, then say that actually, he was going to Belgium and could take me to the border or a little beyond. To leave Paris on the way back, I’d take the train to Melun, where it was easier to hitchhike than at Porte d’Italie.

Over all those years, I think I was pretty lucky. Or maybe philosophical enough not to imagine a car would stop after a few minutes. An hour’s wait was average. Sure, I sometimes waited three, four, or five hours. Most often at odd hours and in terrible weather. When it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. But there’s always a moment when things pick up. Sure, when you’re soaked in freezing rain in the early morning after a sleepless night, you’re less philosophical than when I’m writing these lines comfortably at my computer, but it still holds true.

Earlier, I mentioned clothing and the importance of being well-rested before leaving. When you’ve eaten well and just gotten out of the shower, shaved, you’re in a better mood. And somehow, drivers sense it. Or at least, that’s the impression I’ve always had. It’s better to look in shape than disgusted at standing there, half-heartedly thumbing a ride. In short, when I’d start to get fed up with waiting, I’d go into the first café I saw for a coffee. Coming back out, I’d be refreshed, and most of the time, a car would stop within minutes. I’ve often said that when I stood by the side of the road thumbing a ride, I felt a bit like a gambler in front of a slot machine. It was a matter of giving luck a chance. And well, it worked out pretty well.

Then, there are countries where hitchhiking works really well and others where it’s harder. In the 70s-80s, it worked best in Germany and England. In the late afternoon, it wasn’t rare to be invited for tea. Well, that was in England. Tea meant being offered room and board. In Germany, they’d offer you coffee. Once there, they’d first show you the guest room and point out the bathroom before sitting you down in front of a big plate of cold cuts. In the evening, they’d go out in town, and the next morning, they’d usually drop you off at a good spot for hitchhiking. On the other hand, in Mediterranean and Scandinavian countries, you’d better be patient. In Spain or Italy, it’s better to take the train, which was dirt cheap back then. However, if you’re a couple traveling light, it’s already easier in most countries.

In 1982, I went on a trip around Turkey with my girlfriend. We only had two small bags, which was plenty. It was November-December, and we wore our warm, bulky clothes. Leaving Eindhoven at nine in the morning, we arrived in Graz, near the Yugoslav border, at eleven at night. 1300 km in a day! In just four or five vehicles. One to the German border, about fifty kilometers from Eindhoven, the second to Hagen in the Ruhr, the third to Salzburg, and the last to Graz at the Yugoslav border. Record broken. During the night crossing of Yugoslavia, we ran into a trucker close to retirement who lent us the truck’s bunk. So we arrived fresh and rested near Skopje the next morning. We continued to Thessaloniki in northern Greece before taking the train to Istanbul. In Turkey, we traveled a good part of the country by hitchhiking too. With truckers in old, overloaded, slow trucks that climbed hills at fifteen kilometers an hour, but also in cars where five or six people were already crammed in. And every time, we were invited for tea. Once, we were even picked up by a big shot in his Mercedes with a chauffeur. Until then, the average speed was around fifty kilometers an hour. There, we were going two hundred. On a national road, not a nice European highway.

I’ve also hitchhiked in Nepal, from Lumbini, Buddha’s birthplace, to a village on the way to Pokhara. It must have been midday. No bus until the next day. I gave it a try. A small truck overloaded with rice sacks, with two or three young people already perched on top, stopped. I rode on the roof of the cab. At fifty kilometers an hour when it was going well, with a breathtaking view. Coming back from India, I also crossed part of Iran by hitchhiking, from Tehran to the Turkish border. I did this trip with an Austrian I met at the hotel who, like me, had to watch his pennies. We gave it a shot. There was almost no traffic, but to our great surprise, the first car that passed in the area would always stop. They’d just ask for a modest contribution for gas, and it cost next to nothing.

Sometimes, you get scared too. After leaving Turkey in early December 82, we spent about two weeks in the southern Peloponnese harvesting olives. A few days before Christmas, we hitchhiked back to Holland. A girl picked us up in her little Fiat 500. We were driving on a mountain road, and that morning there was a bit of black ice. After crossing a pass, we saw the old Ford Taunus ahead of us at fifty meters start to skid. The driver let out a “heeee!” while grabbing my knees. I reflexively grabbed the wheel. Finally, the Taunus got back on track. And we didn’t swerve. But those few seconds felt very long.

In January 77, while I’d been living in Germany for a few months, I decided to spend a few days in Italy. By hitchhiking, of course. I left in the early afternoon, and by ten at night, I wasn’t far from Frankfurt. I saw a big Mercedes stop. The four or five young people crammed inside were listening to Schlager at full volume. Beer cans littered the floor. They didn’t have a precise destination, and as long as they were going south, that was fine with me. They’d finished their military service that very day and had clearly already celebrated their discharge. The driver was going 160, zigzagging dangerously from one side of the highway to the other. I should have realized he wasn’t entirely sober either. Luckily, there was almost no traffic. Finally, I managed to get dropped off at a gas station just before Frankfurt, relieved. I hope their trip didn’t end tragically.

Another time, coming back from Holland with my wife, we were picked up early in the morning near Senlis by two guys from Lille. They were going to work near Tours and could drop us off at Porte d’Italie. Apparently, they were coworkers but barely knew each other. The driver offered us a beer—at six in the morning, sure!—before opening another can for himself. He was clearly having trouble staying in the right lane. We politely declined, the passenger too. Everyone was tense. Luckily, it was rush hour on the ring road, and we were going slowly. When we got out of the car, the passenger said goodbye with the look of a guy being offered the condemned man’s rum and cigarette.

Finally, there are the annoying remarks from drivers who are either gay when you’re alone or turned on by the sight of your girlfriend when you’re a couple. In those cases, I’d get in the back so the guy wouldn’t feel too confident. And if the conversation got a little too suggestive, we’d deflect until we got dropped off.

And luckily, there are the times, not so rare after all, when you run into really nice people who invite you to eat and sleep at their place and drive you to a good spot the next morning. In Germany and England, that was common. And then there are the big strokes of luck, like during our trip to Turkey when we crossed most of Germany in one car, or that other time when some Germans drove me from the exit of Geneva all the way to the Costa Brava.

Going back to “with everything you read in the papers” and its variant “with everything you see on TV”—and now on the internet—it’s always left me perplexed. Personally, I’ve never heard of hitchhikers assaulting drivers, even if it may have happened. On the other hand, what was most common were hitchhikers being assaulted, especially girls. Anyway, even armed, it seems a bit stupid to assault the driver—wouldn’t that risk causing an accident?

Finally, since that time, I’ve occasionally wanted to hitchhike somewhere far away in France. Most often, too busy with work, it never happened, but the nostalgia hasn’t completely disappeared.

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Other Hitchhikers

And then one day, I... settled down to become a driver myself. Ten years had passed, and you saw fewer and fewer hitchhikers. Or maybe I saw fewer because I had a regular job and wasn’t traveling the same way. And then I understood a few things.

Several times, I was tempted to pick up a hitchhiker, but they didn’t meet the required conditions. They were walking along the road instead of staying at the exit of the previous town. Hard to stop without risking an accident. Or the guy looked really scruffy. Or he was sulking, if not both. Then you think of that famous “with everything you read in the papers.” Not that I was scared, but unfortunately, the few hitchhikers I did pick up later were rarely interesting.

A few years ago, we picked up a young guy at the exit of a small town in Sologne. Not an easy spot for hitchhiking. Bad luck, he was a pretentious little jerk. He was barely 20 or 25 and talked like a bitter old man. He was a waiter in a restaurant. According to him, it was lucky he was there, otherwise the boss would have closed up shop long ago. You’d think he had thirty or forty years of professional experience behind him. As we approached Blois, he started ranting about Arabs, blaming them for all evils. And he laid it on thick. That morning, we were going to a teenager’s funeral who had just committed suicide, so he really got on our nerves, Mr. Know-It-All. Out of anger, I dropped him off next to a shopping center a few kilometers from downtown. Not nice, but it felt good.

Some time ago, we were driving around the Limousin on a Sunday to try out the used Twingo we’d just bought. We picked up a guy in his forties. A German who spoke French well. He started talking about the environment. He was a green Khmer. He got worked up all by himself with his pseudo-eco rant and, after a few kilometers, was almost yelling at us. As we were about to leave the main road for a small one, I dropped him off at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere. Normally, I would have made a little detour to take him to a better spot, but this time, I didn’t feel like doing the... eco-warrior a favor.

On the other hand, I’ve still done my good deed a few times. One June morning, coming back from Orléans, I saw a man in his sixties hitchhiking. The poor guy had had a rough time. He was from Montpellier and was coming back from Caen, where he’d been promised a job. Once there, they bluntly told him the position was already taken, and he had to go back. Except he didn’t have enough money left for the train. He’d spent the night hitchhiking without success. I could only take him as far as Lamotte-Beuvron, where I dropped him off near the fire station. Apparently, there was some vague shelter there or something, but it only opened a few hours later. In the meantime, he settled on the grass in a corner to sleep a little. While he was doing that, I quickly went to the train station to check the price of a ticket to Montpellier. It was within my means. Since he was sound asleep, I slipped the train ticket and 100 francs into his pocket. I couldn’t imagine him continuing to hitchhike all the way to Montpellier. And I bet he didn’t even have a piece of cardboard and a marker!

When we go to Brazil, we usually rent a small car. One day, we were coming back from Paracuru to Fortaleza when we saw a whole family hitchhiking. Two adults and two or three small children. Here near the equator, the sun sets very quickly, and it would soon be night. There was little traffic, and trucks wouldn’t stop because there was no room in the cab. As for the rich people driving big 4x4s, they wouldn’t stoop to picking up the lower classes. The only hope for this kind of family was usually a farmer or artisan who’d let them ride in the back of his pickup. Obviously, they were a bit surprised to see us. Everyone crammed in as best they could in the back of our little car. When we dropped them off, we got a whole string of “Deus lhes abençõe”—God bless you.

Still in Brazil, we were on the road from Barreirinhas to São Luís do Maranhão. About 150 km of deserted road with an isolated mud house here and there. A young woman flagged us down. She was very pregnant and had to get to the clinic twenty or thirty kilometers away to give birth. Someone was supposed to drive her, but the first signs of labor started earlier than expected, and the driver was unavailable. Even driving fast, we weren’t feeling great: it would be just our luck if she gave birth in the car!

Today, we’re in the age of smartphones and carpooling apps. Safety. With everything you see on TV... Three or four years ago, we signed up on a platform. Our first, and only, “client” was a little jerk who didn’t say a word the whole trip. No hello, no goodbye, and certainly no thank you. The next day, we found his Ray-Bans in the car. We didn’t run after him to give them back. Ha!
Three weeks in Norway (July 2022): fantastic memories despite the rain
by Peggy16 · 2024-11-27 · 104 replies
Our trip to Norway was two years ago already, but I thought it might still be of interest—and it’ll let me relive it a bit by proxy.

Before booking our flight tickets, we debated the route: should we prioritize the north with the Lofoten and Senja islands, or the south with its countless fjords? I was tempted to stay in the south—the country is so vast, and the drive north is long... but my husband really didn’t want to miss the Lofoten. In the end, we figured that since Norway is known for being expensive, we might only visit once (funny how we said the same thing before our first trip to the American West, and look how that turned out 😎), so we didn’t want to skip anything. That meant a 2–3 day drive up north. With 22 days on the ground, it was doable. Especially since, as usual, we skip big cities and gave Oslo a pass.

Practical details: - Flight tickets: 1195 € for 4 with Air France (Paris–Oslo outbound, Tromsø–Bergen–Paris return) - Car rental: 2020 € for 21 days (including the outrageous drop-off fee between Oslo and Tromsø—about 1000 €) - Tolls and ferries: 250 € for the portion billed directly by the rental company. Some ferries required advance booking and payment at the time of reservation—I’ll note their prices as I go through the story. - Hotels: 4135 €, averaging 188 € per night. We blew past our usual budgets from trips to the U.S., but oh well... - Food: 1570 €, averaging 71 € per day for 4 in a country where everything’s expensive... How’d we manage? We rarely ate out, mostly grocery shopped, and even packed half a suitcase with non-perishables: pasta, rice, a few cans, and even some cured sausage! We also stayed 3 nights at Clarion Collection hotels, where an evening buffet was included in the room rate.
First trips after...
by Sawadeebaht · 2024-10-12 · 43 replies
A turbulent period came to an end around 2022.

Many of us have returned to big trips after making only very small ones—or none at all. For a little anecdote, my dentist told me that due to the lack of travel, a lot of clients treated themselves to implants they would’ve otherwise skipped. The joy of traveling again probably gave some vacationers smiles they hadn’t dared to show before!

Here, you can share what’s on your mind: Have these new, real trips disappointed you, rejuvenated you, or just relieved a long frustration?

For my part, not being so young anymore, there was definitely relief but no explosion of joy. I just had the feeling of picking up the thread of life after a foggy pause, with the bitter taste that 2 or 3 years of my life had been partly stolen from me.
Your thoughts on my 14-day South Africa itinerary for a senior traveler
by Soulfull · 2024-10-11 · 51 replies
Hello, I’m taking advantage of the forum reopening to ask this question:

For her 70th birthday, my mom will receive—as a gift—a trip to South Africa at the end of May 2025. We’ll arrive and depart (13 nights later) from JNB on Air France AF990/AF995. We’ll obviously rent a car for certain parts of the trip. I’ve been to the Cape Town area and as far as Agulhas twice, but she’s never been to South Africa before. She might enjoy a day or two of safari, but it’s not a priority for her. I’m well aware that trying to pack in too much is risky, which is why I’m looking for your advice on itineraries, safety, and health (status of the Marburg virus). So far, which combinations of these visits (in no particular order) would be doable and most enjoyable for her at a reasonable pace:

1-day excursion to Pilanesberg Park (+ Hartbeespoort on the way back if possible), self-drive or with a tour guide? 2 nights around the Panorama Route self-driving Garden Route from/to George/PLZ for 5 nights (what are the must-sees for a first-timer with so little time?) Wine region for 2 nights (is it worth doing both the Stellenbosch bus tour and the Franschhoek Wine Tram the next day, or vice versa)—she loves good wine! Cape Town for 2 nights (is it worth stopping at the Cape of Good Hope if—only if—you’ve maybe already been to Agulhas?).

This would give a final itinerary like this:

Day 1: Morning arrival in JNB—rest day/to be defined Day 2: Guided game drive excursion to Pilanesberg Park Day 3: Flight JNB–Port Elizabeth, pick up rental car, drive to Tsitsikamma Day 4–6: Garden Route: activities to be defined Day 7: Transfer to Franschhoek: Wine Tram in the afternoon Day 8: Taxi to Stellenbosch for the Vine Hopper bus tour Day 9–11: Transfer to Cape Town: activities to be defined Day 12: Flight from Cape Town to Hoedspruit or Nelspruit Day 13: Visit the Panorama Route Day 14: Flight from Hoedspruit or Nelspruit to JNB, then evening flight back to France

Given the time spent on the Garden Route, what are the must-sees? Same question for the Panorama Route? In general, she prefers beautiful walks with incredible landscapes/views and cultural visits over big cats, but it would be a shame not to see some local wildlife like meerkats, whales (I doubt it in May), or penguins during her stay! There you go—feel free to critique (not too harshly, though😛)/advise/improve. Thanks in advance! 🙂
Circulation dans les villes en Sicile
by Himalaya2 · 2020-09-13 · 24 replies
Bonjour. Je viens de prendre connaissance des "ZTL" en Italie. Est ce que cela veut dire que si vous avez réservé un hôtel en ville, vous ne pouvez pas y accède avec votre véhicule? La règle est-elle la même pour les voitures et les motos? Le radar flasche-t-il par devant ou derrière? merci de vos retour d'exérience
Comment organiser son voyage dans l'Ouest américain quand on est "débutant"?
by Daistiel · 2020-08-20 · 69 replies
Bonjour,

Je me présente je m'appelle Florence, j'ai 25 ans, et depuis toujours je rêve de partir aux États Unis. Nous allons donc réaliser mon rêve avec mon compagnon, si tout se passe bien, d'ici 2 ans.

Jusqu'ici, je projetais d'utiliser un site spécialisé comme Marco Vasco, pour cela j'avais calculer une moyenne de 5000 € par personne (pour absolument tout, les trajets, location de véhicule, activités, restaurants, et cadeaux). Pour deux nous disposons donc de 10.000 €, pour 17 jours sur la côte Ouest. On m'a dit que cela faisait beaucoup et que nous pouvions nous en sortir pour moins cher si l'on faisait notre propre organisation à nous.

Seulement voilà, je ne suis jamais sortie de la France, mon chéri si mais très peu.

Donc, on se demande comment organiser notre voyage de A à Z.

J'aurai donc de multiples questions et si quelqu'un aurait la gentillesse de m'aider ce serait superbe !

Déjà, j'ai un gros livre le routard sur les Etats Unis, j’attends de finir de le lire pour noter ce que nous souhaitons à tout prix voir ou visiter avant de tracer un itinéraire.

Dans la formule que je devais choisir à la base, nous devions faire Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco. Entre cela il y avait le Grand Canyon, Death Valley, la route 66, les casinos, etc....Pour vous donner une idée 🙂

Donc voici les questions que je me pose, déjà, que faut t'il réserver en premier (hôtels, avion ?) et combien de temps à l'avance ? Pour la location de la voiture, comment cela fonctionne t'il ? Car je sais que dans notre formule, nous avions une voiture que l'on prenait à Los Angeles, et que l'on rendait à San Francisco. Mais une réservation de nous même, je ne sais pas du tout comment ça se passe 🤪

Le mieux est t'il de louer un camping car ou une voiture et des hôtels à côté ?

Ya t'il des choses importantes à savoir ? Je sais déjà qu'il faut remplir le formulaire ESTA, donner un pourboire à chaque repas, mais j'imagine qu'il y a encore plein d'autres choses à savoir.

Donc tout vos conseils, je prend !

En vous remerciant 🙂
Suisse, pays de lacs et montagnes du 16 au 28 mai 2020
by Ticapi · 2020-06-07 · 172 replies
Bonjour,

Comme pour beaucoup de voyageurs, le Coronavirus a perturbé nos plans pour cette année. Notre road trip au Pérou est tombé à l’eau et la fermeture des frontières ne nous permettait pas de quitter la Suisse.

Heureusement, en Suisse, nous n’avons pas subi un confinement strict et nous pouvions nous déplacer librement dans le pays, en respectant certaines règles (distance de 2 mètres entres les personnes, rassemblements de maximum 5 personnes). De plus, une semaine avant notre départ, les magasins, restaurants et musées pouvaient ouvrir. Par contre, les campings, télécabines et télésièges sont restés fermés jusqu’au 6 juin.

Nous avons décidé de ne pas préparer un itinéraire fixe. Le but principal était le canton des Grisons que nous connaissions très peu. Pour y aller et pour revenir, nous avons traversé d’autres cantons où nous avons profité de faire des visites et randonnées. Certains endroits nous étaient bien connus, mais les voir sans les touristes habituels, asiatiques, indiens et américains, change complètement la perception des lieux. Imaginez, le fameux pont de la Chapelle à Lucerne, sans les hordes de touristes asiatiques qui l’envahissent tous les jours.



Nous avons loué un van, afin d’être autonome et libre. Notre choix s’est porté sur le VW California Ocean. Ce van est passe-partout, on peut facilement emprunter toutes les petites routes de montagnes et se parquer partout. Seul inconvénient, il n’a pas de salle de bain. La douche se fait à l’extérieur (eau froide), mais nous avons des toilettes portables. Le California Ocean est équipé avec une petite cuisine (un réchaud à gaz avec deux feux, un frigo de 42 litres, un petit évier). Il y a des placards sous la cuisine, au-dessus de la banquette et à l’arrière, ainsi qu’un grand tiroir sous la banquette. Les sièges avant se tournent, il y a deux tables, une à l’intérieur et une autre, encastrée dans la portière, pour l’extérieur. Les deux chaises pour l’extérieur sont encastrées dans la porte du coffre. Le toit se lève, on peut donc se mettre debout à l’intérieur du van. Le lit sous le toit est confortable, avec son sommier sur lequel sont fixé des ressorts. Un store extérieur nous protège du soleil lorsqu’on est à l’arrêt. Le chauffage stationnaire est bien agréable pour chauffer l’habitacle lorsqu’il fait froid. Il y a aussi plusieurs prises, dont une qui fonctionne avec la deuxième batterie et permet de charger le téléphone, tablette, etc. la nuit. Bref, ce petit van est vraiment fonctionnel.

Au dernier moment, nous avons décidé de prendre notre chien Tidou avec nous. Il a fallu adapter nos randonnées et visites. Eh oui, notre Tidou n’est plus tout jeune et il a des soucis avec son dos. Nous avons acheté un sac à dos spécifique, pour pouvoir le porter en terrain abrupte et lorsqu’il sera trop fatigué.

Nous avons chargé l’application park4night sur nos iPhones. Cette application est bien utile pour trouver des emplacements pour passer la nuit. Contrairement, à ce que l’on peut souvent lire, nous n’avons rencontré aucune difficulté pour passer la nuit. Le camping sauvage est donc possible en Suisse, si on ne s’installe pas pour plusieurs jours au même endroit. Concernant l’eau potable, on trouve de nombreuses fontaines, le plus souvent avec de l’eau potable.
Road trip aux États-Unis début juillet (Brussel Airlines)
by Poutsouch60 · 2020-05-29 · 112 replies
Bonjour, nous avons prévus d'aller aux USA du coté des grands parcs (Yellowstone, Grand téton et Mont Rushmore) pour un départ le 3 juillet à destination de Denver (via Montréal par Air canada affrété par Brussels airlines) et un retour le 22 juillet (idem par air canada-brussels airlines). Nous avons acheté nos billets sur gotogate et nous ne savons pas si nous allons pouvoir partir ou pas, nous n'avons aucune informations quand aux fermetures des frontières qui évoluent de jours en jours ! Sur le site de gotogate nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'infos et sur brussel airlines comme nous n'avons pas acheté directement chez eux, ils nous disent qu'il faut se tourner vers le prestataire qui nous a vendu les billets à savoir Gotogate, j'ai lu que plusieurs personnes essayaient déséspérement d'avoir un avoir ou un remboursement en vain ! Que devons-nous faire ? vers qui se retourner ? Faut-il encore attendre le 15 juin, car le gouvernement ne sais pas encore s'il vont réouvrir les frontières jusqu'à cette date. Nous sommes perdus nous aimerions reporter notre voyage d'un an si possible. Nous espérons récupérer l'argent mis dans les billets (plus de 2200 euros). Merci par avance de votre aide ! poutsouch60
On part en vadrouille dans les Balkans!
by Bibouns51 · 2020-04-19 · 344 replies
Et bien le confinement a de beaux jours devant lui ! Chose promise, chose due (publier une journée de vadrouille par jour de confinement) ! Après le carnet sur un voyage aux Etats-Unis (voyageforum.com/...-americain-d9943984/), après le carnet sur une vadrouille en Jordanie (https://voyageforum.com/discussion/on-part-en-vadrouille-en-jordanie-d9991360/), voici maintenant un carnet dans les balkans, voyage réalisé il y a maintenant quelques années :

Et on garde les bonnes habitudes, publication d'une journée par jour, à chaque fois à 17h30 ! Bonne lecture et n'hésite pas à laisser un commentaire, une question, une remarque, ...

Franck
Voyage 5 mois et 3 semaines en Amérique du Sud
by Jef39 · 2020-03-29 · 104 replies
Bonjour, Il n'est jamais trop tard pour rendre compte de son voyage. Le confinement me laisse enfin du temps pour le faire. Je suis parti le 17 août 2017 et je suis rentré le 7 février 2018. Entre temps, je suis allé en Argentine par cargo puis une fois sur ce continent, j'ai visité l'Uruguay, l'Argentine et le Chili. Durant tout ce voyage, j'ai tenu un carnet journalier. Je me propose de vous le livrer.
On part en vadrouille dans l'ouest américain! Oui, encore...
by Bibouns51 · 2020-03-17 · 508 replies
En ces temps difficiles qui nous obligent à trouver des occupations, je vous soumets ici un carnet que j'avais rédigé il y a quelques années et que je n'ai jamais publié ici... Bonne lecture (pour ceux que ça intéresse...)...

24 juillet - Itinéraire d’une famille gâtée

Envie de t’évader ? Envie de rêver ? Envie de t’amuser ? Oui ? Alors tu as frappé à la bonne adresse... Plus précisément à l’adresse de celui qui a attrapé un virus… En l’occurrence, moi… Et ce virus, pas question de m’en débarrasser en me bourrant d’antibiotiques. Non seulement, les antibiotiques, ce n’est pas automatique, mais ce virus-là, j’en prends grand soin. Je l’entretiens, même… Ce virus, c’est l’étasunite ! Je l’ai contracté le jour où j’ai posé mes arpions chez l’oncle Sam pour la première fois, il y a une décennie de cela. Tout ça ne me rajeunit pas mais depuis ce fameux jour, lui et moi, nous ne nous sommes plus jamais quittés. Un proverbe dit à ce sujet que si tu vas aux Etats-Unis une fois, tu y reviendras un jour… Ben moi, depuis, j’y suis même retourné deux autres fois ! Et figure-toi que si tu lis ces quelques lignes, c’est que je m’apprête à y retourner pour une quatrième vadrouille !... Pour cette fois-ci, je vais accomplir un de mes rêves ! Me faire la route 66 sur mon Harley avec une belle brune accrochée à ma taille... Manque de bol, ma femme est blonde, je n'ai pas le permis moto et nous avons deux louloutes de quatre et sept ans… Va donc falloir que je revoie mes plans...

Bon, si tu es un lecteur assidu de nos précédentes vadrouilles, nous n’avons plus de secret pour toi, si bien que tu sais déjà que nous sommes quatre, juste un an de plus par rapport à la dernière fois… Il y a bien évidemment Sandrine, ma femme alias le portefeuille ; Sasha, notre petite globetrotteuse de quatre ans ; et Anna notre routarde de sept ans et plus toutes ses dents... Ah, et je m’oubliais ! Moi, Franck, la trentaine bien tassée, alias le conducteur, le tour opérateur, le narrateur, le cuisinier, le… Oui, je sais, moi aussi, j’aimerais bien déléguer… Ah, mais j’oublie encore quelqu’un !… Toi… Mais bon, sauf le respect que je te dois, tu ne seras une nouvelle fois que le spectateur du film que nous allons tourner et interpréter… D’ailleurs, quel en sera le titre ?... Et bien après réflexion, on a le choix entre « Voyage entre geysers et déserts », ou alors « Sous le soleil de Beverly Hills »… Pour ce coup-là, en espérant ne pas les vexer, on décide de poser un lapin à Brandon et Brenda… Car oui, c’est décidé, cette nouvelle édition sera composée d'indiens, de geysers, de trappeurs, de pionniers, de bisons, de chercheurs d'or, de hors-la-loi, de ranchs et de cowboys ! A nous les grands espaces… et les gros hamburgers !!! A nous l’ouest américain et ses films qui donnent tant envie : Délivrance, la colline a des yeux, Shining, The Descent, ...

Mais un voyage comme celui-là, ça se prépare un ‘tiot peu. Premièrement, il faut du blé, du flouze, du fric, du pognon, des pépettes, de la caillasse… Ben oui, ça coûte cher tout ça, donc à moins de faire comme le PSG et te faire subventionner par un investisseur qatari, il va falloir que tu en mettes de côté. Deuxièmement, il faut un minimum de travail de préparation. Et je commencerai mon histoire par un retour dans le passé, un bond dans le temps pour revenir pile poil au moment où Sandrine a enfin craqué sous mes coups de butoir et m’a donné son ô combien précieuse approbation… « Allez, ok, c’est bon, fais-toi plaisir ! » Sans avoir réellement conscience de la portée de ces quelques mots, elle venait de me signer un contrat de travail d’un an ! Car moi, ni une, ni deux, j'ai employé toute une équipe de lutins pour m'aider à préparer mon itinéraire. Lecture de carnets de voyage, questions sur des forums, épluchage de guides, visionnage de films, essorage d’internet, … Au final, je dois dire que je suis plus que satisfait de leur boulot ! Ce qui me permet non pas de faire un bilan puisqu'heureusement, le voyage n'est pas commencé, mais plutôt un petit compte-rendu chiffré de ce qui nous attend. Huit états à traverser ou à effleurer, plus de cinq mille kilomètres à parcourir, vingt jours pleins sur place, deux hôtels, quatorze campings différents, huit heures de décalage... Mes trois blondes vont-elles le supporter ? Optimiste que je suis, je mise sur un grand « Oui » ! D’ailleurs, pour les préparer, j’ai mis en place un programme intensif trois mois avant le départ : Marche autour de notre immense propriété, westerns tous les soirs, Coca et hamburgers à volonté à tous les repas !... Et oui, qui ménage sa monture voyage plus souvent !

Avant de tailler la route, je profite de cette intro pour publier une petite annonce à destination des cambrioleurs amateurs de textes de voyage : passez votre route, ma maison est équipée d’une alarme biométrique avec double varifocale et matrice de commutation. De plus, j’ai loué à un pote du neuf trois son gros pitbull pour l’occasion. Sans compter que pendant nos vacances, ma maison va être occupée par mes parents qui sont tous les deux experts en arts martiaux !... D’ailleurs, pourquoi je te raconte ces bobards alors que tu ne connais même pas mon adresse… C'est le 25, avenue des canaris à Triffouillis-sur-Retourne... Euh, merci de ne pas m’envoyer de carte postale à l'adresse ci-dessus... c'est une fausse !

Bon, chut, ça y est, c’est l’heure de l’évaluation… On va savoir si toute la famille est prête pour le grand départ : « Sandrine, donne-moi les huit états dans lesquels nous allons poser les pieds... - Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Dakota du sud, Montana, Idaho, Utah et... euh... mince, oh, je l’ai sur le bout de la langue… Ah oui, l’Arizona !!!… - Mouais… C’était moins une… Encore un peu et tu n’partais pas avec nous ! Et toi, Anna, cite-moi les quatre présidents sculptés sur le Mont Rushmore ? - Abram Licol, Tomasse Washington, George Jeffessonne et Theodore Rousevelle... - Ok, on va dire que c’est bon… Et toi, Sasha, dans quel pays allons-nous cet été ? - Les Jétajuniiiiis de l’Amérique de Mickey ! » Ok, c’est bon, elles sont fin prêtes ! Attention, départ imminent !
On the Silk Road: Chronicles of a Sixty-Something Traveling Completely Independently
by Sarana · 2020-03-07 · 73 replies
From Beijing to Khiva: China, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan Chronicle of anecdotes, highlights, and other adventures that marked this eight-week journey in 2018.



The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.

MENU PART 1: CHINA

1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)

1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.



No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.

Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.

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2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.



I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.

But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.

3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.

Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.

Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.

Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.

The Chinese Far West

4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.



Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.

Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...

5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.



This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.

Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.

I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!

Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.

This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.

The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...

6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.

However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.

The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.

Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...

7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.



To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.

Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.

Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...

Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.

The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...

8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.



Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...

Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...

Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...

9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.

- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...) - Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside - Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters - Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages - Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher) - Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard - Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge - Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there - Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...

With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...

10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.



Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.

After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.

Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...

11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.

Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.

Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...

With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.

What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.

What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.

As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.

And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!

PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.

More photos...

The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
Trois générations, 23 jours, 11 états, western happiness
by Kast13 · 2020-02-06 · 103 replies
J’ai longtemps hésité à écrire ce carnet, au retour de ce merveilleux voyage, en Juillet, il m’a semblé que plusieurs autres carnets parlaient plus ou moins des mêmes lieux , et d’autres ont suivi les mois suivants, je les ai lu et continue à les lire avec beaucoup de Plaisir (encore merci bibouns51, marcalamar, marati et les autres, trop nombreux pour que je les cite tous), ils me rappellent ces endroits superbes et ces 3 semaines d’émerveillements.

Mais en décembre, mon père, le seul participant masculin à ce beau voyage, nous a quitté . Et en y réfléchissant, j’ai eu envie de raconter ce dernier road trip tous ensemble , pour moi c’est un rappel de bons souvenirs, et j’espère que pour certains ça donnera encore un autre exemple, les voyages à 3 générations n’étant pas si fréquents dans les carnets. Voyager avec les grands-parents et les enfants ados, ça force chacun à faire des concessions, à s’adapter au rythme et aux envies des uns et des autres…

C’était déjà le 6ème voyage dans l’Ouest pour moi, en une vingtaine d’année, et 3ème en trois ans:

En 2017, un trip à 9 avec un couple d’amis, ma soeur et nos 5 enfants, de San Francisco à Las Vegas en passant par les parcs les plus fréquemment visités (Grand Canyon, Bryce, …) sans passer par Los Angeles (https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=8264822;#8264822 ).

En 2018, toute seule sans enfants, à la découverte du Yellowstone puis de Valley of fire, Cedar breaks et Snow Canyon entre autres (https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9100875;#9100875 )

Et 2019, l’objet de ce carnet, avec mes parents, mes deux filles de 14 et 16 ans et ma niece de 17 ans. Il y a eu plusieurs versions de l’itinéraire, j’avais fait une liste de nombreux endroits possibles et chacun a donné son classement. J’ai pris les lieux qui avaient le plus de voix de préférence et j’ai essayé de tous les mettre dans un itinéraire bien chargé mais je pense assez équilibré. Les incontournables étaient pour moi Yellowstone et Monument Valley que je voulais absolument leur faire découvrir à tous. Et pour les enfants, Universal Studios à Los Angeles et un nouveau passage à Las Vegas qu’elles avaient adoré deux ans plus tôt. Pour mes parents, le Mont Rushmore leur faisait envie. Le résultat a été un road trip de 23 jours, avec 2 vols intérieurs, 11 états traversés, 11 parcs nationaux, des lieux marqués par l’histoire indienne…on a beaucoup ri, un peu marché, et si souvent été éblouis.

Alors, après ce long préambule, comme on dit dans New-York Unité spéciale; voilà leur histoire . 😊

Comme nous avions un vol le 25 Juin au matin, un direct CDG-Los Angeles, on a décidé de rejoindre Paris en TGV le 24 au soir, pour dormir près de l’aéroport. Le 25, frais et dispos, nous voilà à l’aéroport. Pas de bagages à enregistrer, nous avons tous voyagé avec une valise cabine et un sac à dos. On monte bien à temps dans l’A380, et on attend le décollage…et on attend…et on attend…on nous parle d’un petit souci technique, on attend toujours…au bout d’un moment, on nous dit qu’on va nous faire sortir, que du personnel au sol nous prépare une salle climatisée (oui, il fait plutôt chaud ces jours-ci) pour nous recevoir en attendant de nous trouver un autre avion… Quand enfin on peut sortir, pas vraiment de salle climatisée mais du personnel qui nous traite un peu comme du bétail pour nous faire sortir au plus vite et nous dit de récupérer nos bagages (youpie, on n’en a pas à récupérer) et d’aller au comptoir air France où on va nous trouver un prochain vol. Mais c’est pas possible, on a nos places pour Universal demain nous! Au comptoir, on arrive dans les premiers, n’ayant pas de bagages à récupérer (mais ayant dû parcourir CDG de long en large) et là commence la recherche d’une solution pour nous 6. Première proposition: attendre minuit (on est 11h du matin à peu près là)pour prendre un vol ver Mexico, y attendre 8h puis avoir enfin un vol vers Los Angeles. Notre refus est clair, tant qu’à arriver demain, autant partir demain matin, au moins on aura une nuit de repos d’ici là. On finit par nous trouver un vol le lendemain matin, avec une escale à Detroit et arrivée en fin d’après-midi à Los Angeles. Bon, bein on fera avec…vous nous trouvez un hotel pour cette nuit? Euh…"on n’en trouve pas directement mais trouvez vous même et on vous remboursera…"je comprends qu’ils n’aient pas trouvé, il m’a fallu 2h pour finalement trouver des chambres à Chantilly, il n’y avait rien de libre plus près (les environs de l’aéroport étaient surbookés et on était six donc besoin de minimum 2 chambres). Franchement, la gestion de la situation par Air France ne nous a pas du tout impressionnés. Heureusement qu’ils ont fini par nous rembourser l’hotel et nous dédommager pour le vol 2 mois plus tard, une fois la plainte enregistrée et traitée sur leur site.

J’ai profité de l’après-midi et la soirée à l’hotel pour appeler Universal, et là, super service, ils ont accepté de changer la date des billets sans problème en apprenant la situation. J’ai aussi appelé pour changer la date de location de la voiture (prevue au depart pour 48h, on l’aura finalement prise juste 24h) et ça a été sans souci.

Le lendemain, 26 Juin, on retourne à l’aéroport avec une petite apprehension, mais tout se passe bien, premier vol ok, étape à Détroit rapide pour le passage à la douane et deuxième vol très bien également. A l’arrivée à Los Angeles, pour rejoindre notre hotel près de Universal, on fait un petit arrêt à Griffith Park, voir le signe Hollywood à la tombée du jour,



et après une pizza près de l’hotel, on s’effondre dans nos lits. Hotel : BLVD hotel and spa, très correct, jolie chambre, pas de petit déjeuner, bien situé (on peut aller à Universal à pieds).
In the Land of Mountain Gorillas: The Story of an "Epic" Trip
by Plumini · 2020-02-01 · 142 replies
Passionate about travel, animals (furry, feathered, scaly), and my partner’s love for photography, it was in 2014, after encountering orangutans in Gunung Leuser National Park in Sumatra, that I felt the urge to see other great apes in their natural habitat and in the wild. For my 40th birthday, I dreamed of only one thing... seeing gorillas. I still had four years to wait and four years to save up.

At the time, I had only heard of the Virunga Mountains, particularly the part in Rwanda. To be honest, Uganda had never really struck me as a destination I’d ever set foot in, and the DRC, for security reasons, didn’t particularly appeal to me.

But then, one day, I heard that Rwanda was going to increase the price of gorilla permits to USD 1,500 per person. Ouch... that seemed way overpriced, especially since we were going as a couple and I really wanted to see them twice. $6,000 for two days... Okay, it’s for my 40th birthday, but still...

At the end of 2017, I started looking more closely into our trip planned for December 2018. A stroke of luck in my schedule meant my former English teacher sent me a link to an article she’d written for her travel agency about her encounter with gorillas in Uganda. Hmm, Uganda? It was the first time I’d read about the country. Why not?

I scoured various forums in French and English and re-discovered voyageforum.com. And most importantly, I came across Ticapi’s travel journal, which I devoured in one evening, and a few months later, Muriel18’s, whose release I eagerly awaited. Wow!!! Not only can you see gorillas in Uganda, but also chimpanzees and the shoebill, not to mention the savannah and the chance to go on more classic safaris.

All that’s left is to convince my better half that Uganda is a safe country...

Usually, and now more than ever, we prefer independent travel and self-drive trips in particular. But given the proximity to the DRC border, the potentially impassable roads after rain, and rental cars that aren’t always in the best condition, we hired a guide for two weeks in December 2018. The months passed, and the excitement grew.

Three weeks before departure, I fell ill after a work trip to Asia. Darn! This time, I didn’t waste any time—I quickly saw a doctor and got rid of that virus. That was the plan! Flu or malaria? (I’d been to the Amazon six months earlier.) The doctor didn’t know; the cough only appeared a few days later. We did blood tests two days in a row to rule out malaria. So it was the flu or... pneumonia :-( ...?

The X-rays spoke for themselves—it was pneumonia, and it was already quite advanced. No big deal, I still had two weeks to recover! I religiously took my antibiotics, downed loads of vitamin C, but nothing worked—the antibiotics didn’t seem to be doing anything. I was coughing so hard I thought my lungs would come up, I was short of breath, exhausted. I’d dreamed of this trip for so long... it seemed unthinkable not to go. Five days before departure, my doctor hospitalized me—the pneumonia had worsened, and my blood oxygen levels were dangerously low. I was in tears but still in denial about what was happening to me. Besides, I’d still taken my anti-malarial, because I was determined to leave.

I spent the first day in the emergency room on oxygen 24/7. The germ causing my pneumonia was unknown to the infectious disease and pulmonary specialists. They tried a combination of antibiotics. No big deal, in four days, I’d be leaving. I harassed the doctor, who must have thought I was crazy, to find out when I could be discharged—"because, you see, doctor, I have a flight to Uganda on Saturday." On Thursday, the doctor was firm: I’d still be hospitalized on Saturday... deep down, I knew it but didn’t want to admit it. My partner handled canceling the flights, contacted our travel insurance (thankfully we had some), and I wrote to our guide (who, in the meantime, had become our tour operator) who could hardly believe it. And neither could I! We told ourselves it was just postponed and that we’d take this long-awaited trip at the end of 2019!

March 2019, the tour operator reached out to us: "Didn’t you say you wanted to go to Uganda this year? You’d better hurry and book the gorilla permits before they run out."

Oh yes, we wanted to see the gorillas. But we hesitated about rebooking. I still hoped to do this trip as a self-drive. The thing is, this year, we managed to take three weeks off, and we also wanted to spend a week in Rwanda. My partner still didn’t feel comfortable driving there. Yet, he’s driven all over the world. I respected his feelings, especially since he’s the only one who drives.

Anyway, we went back and forth but neither of us really said what we were thinking: "What if we used someone else to organize our trip?" In the end, we went with him again, made a first deposit for four gorilla permits (two days each) (not the best idea we’ve ever had), and looked into adding Rwanda to our itinerary. We’d have a guide/driver for the whole trip with mid-range accommodations.

After several back-and-forths, the itinerary was supposed to look something like this. To be honest, I got fed up after a while.

Day 1: Arrival in Kigali in the evening Day 2: Transfer from Kigali to Akagera NP Day 3: Safari in Akagera NP Day 4: Akagera NP and night in Nyagatare Day 5: Transfer from Nyagatare to Nyungwe Forest Day 6: Nyungwe Day 7: Nyungwe Day 8: Transfer from Nyungwe to Lake Kivu, Rubavu/Gisenyi Day 9: Transfer from Rubavu/Gisenyi to Kisoro/Uganda via the Cyanika border Day 10: Gorilla tracking in Mgahinga NP Day 11: Golden Monkey tracking in Mgahinga NP, night at Lake Mutanda Day 12: Gorilla tracking in Bwindi, Ruhija (later changed to Rushaga) Day 13: Queen Elizabeth NP, Ishasha sector in the morning and Kazinga Channel in the afternoon Day 14: No clear answer on activities for that day. After three attempts, I gave up. I shouldn’t have... Day 15: Chimpanzee tracking in Kyambura Gorge, night at Lake Nkuruba Day 16: Lake Nkuruba, morning activities around the lake and Bigodi Swamps in the afternoon Day 17: Transfer from Lake Nkuruba to Murchison Falls Day 18: Murchison Falls Day 19: Murchison Falls Day 20: Transfer from Murchison Falls via Ziwa Rhino Sanctuary, night in Entebbe Day 21: Entebbe – Mabamba Swamps Day 22: Mabamba Swamps in the morning, Botanical Garden in Entebbe in the afternoon, and transfer to the airport for the overnight return flight.

In April, he asked us for a substantial deposit for the accommodations and some park activities, as one of his colleagues was doing the same tour in May and it would be good if he could secure the already-made reservations by paying the bill.

A week before departure, just like in 2018, we paid the remaining balance of the agreed amount. Three days later, since I hadn’t heard from him (the TO is based in Germany), I sent him a message to confirm he’d received the payment.

My partner joked, "And that’s when he tells us he closed the account we sent the money to." I forced a laugh... and even more so when the TO asked me which account I’d sent the balance to... "Uh, the same one as before." And then he told me he’d closed that account and maybe should’ve mentioned it earlier... uh, you think?! And of course, he needed the money sent again quickly. "Well, buddy, you’ll have to wait until I get it back!!!

It was already late, and my bank had been closed for hours. The next morning, first thing, I called my bank and explained the situation.

"Unfortunately, we can’t do anything for you; you’ll have to wait for the money to be returned." "But how long will that take?" "A few days or weeks, depending on the banks, and you should expect transfer fees."

Brilliant! :-(

After nearly 10 years of traveling almost exclusively without traditional travel agencies, had we just been scammed? I went back to the forums to reread posts about this TO from other travelers. They were all positive; no one mentioned a scam.

The next day, I searched online for the contact details of his bank in Germany. I wrote to the generic email address in English, explaining that I’d made a transfer without knowing that this gentleman had closed his bank account. The employee replied in impeccable English that the bank only responded to emails written in German. Grrr! I used a well-known translator since my German is, let’s say, rusty, and resent my email in German. The same agent replied in German that unfortunately, they couldn’t do anything for me—that if the account had been closed, an automatic rule would return the money to the sender... period, end of story!

Well, our money is lost somewhere in the "cloud," or so we hope! Wait and see!

No news from our TO, and we didn’t reach out either—we were too annoyed by the whole situation.
Compte rendu d'une semaine sur le Costa Smeralda du 11 au 18 janvier 2020
by Micy · 2020-01-27 · 213 replies
Bonjour,

Nous rentrons d’une semaine de croisière sur le nouveau navire amiral de COSTA, le COSTA SMERALDA.

Cette croisière s’est déroulée du 11 au 18 janvier de Savone à Savone selon l’itinéraire et le planning prévus contrairement aux croisières de la semaine précédente et de la semaine suivante perturbées par le mauvais temps et les grèves françaises.

Pourquoi le SMERALDA et pourquoi à cette période de l’année ?

D’abord pour découvrir ce nouveau bateau mais aussi pour réserver, à bord, nos croisières suivantes pour 2020 chez COSTA.

Ce petit compte-rendu se limitera au bateau et à la vie à bord, les escales de la croisière (Savone, Marseille, Barcelone, Palma, Civitavecchia et La Spezia) étant très connues ne seront pas évoquées

Comme d’habitude lorsque nous embarquons à Savone, nous prenons la navette COSTA à la gare de Nice à 12h00 et nous arrivons à Savone à 14h45 après arrêt « technique » à mi-chemin. L’embarquement a débuté à 13h00 et, à notre arrivée, il n’y a donc aucune file ni attente pour embarquer et nous sommes à bord à 15h00.

La cabine N° 10138 (cabine balcon premium) située à babord au centre du navire nous attend. C’est une belle cabine, de bonne taille, qui s’avèrera confortable et bien insonorisée. Elle ne nous est pas apparue comme étant plus petite que les autres cabines balcon premium des autres COSTA.









Affirmer que « les cabines sont plus petites » de manière générale est incorrect

L’examen des plans du navire montre que la structure des cabines varie selon l’architecture « tourmentée » du bateau et il est plus que vraisemblable que différentes variantes de la « cabine balcon Premium » plus petites ou plus grandes coexistent.

Quelques remarques au sujet de la cabine

L’ouverture de la cabine se fait, classiquement, avec la carte COSTA (format carte bancaire) à mettre en contact avec le boitier d’ouverture extérieure placé sur l’extérieur de la porte de la cabine. Une fois dans la cabine et tout aussi classiquement, l’éclairage de la cabine est conditionné au placement de la carte dans le récepteur ad hoc. Le but est évidemment de couper tout éclairage et alimentation des prises électriques lorsque la cabine n’est pas occupée.

A ce sujet, une petite astuce; nous emportons toujours avec nous une vielle carte de fidélité en plastique dur d’un grand magasin au format d’une carte de crédit que nous utilisons pour l’éclairage.

Cela évite la permutation des cartes Costa si l’un de nous deux quitte la cabine et doit donc récupérer sa carte et placer celle de l’autre dans le boitier. Cela permet au premier levé de sortir de la cabine avec sa carte sans devoir chercher celle de l’autre dans le noir pour remplacer sa carte dans le boitier et de réveiller le partenaire.

Cela permet aussi de maintenir en charge, l’appareil photo ou un GSM dans la cabine en notre absence.

Le lit est composé de deux lits simples de 2X0.8 m accolés

Le frigo à disparu, ce qui ne nous gêne guère, n’ayant JAMAIS (hors suite) consommé des boissons y comprises.

Il est toutefois dommage que ce frigo n’ait pas été remplacé par une petite armoire.

Les tables de chevet ont également disparu et sont remplacées par deux tablettes murales asymétriques de chaque côté.

Les armoires « classiques » se trouvent dans le couloir contre le bloc sanitaire avec le coffre classique.

Sur la paroi se trouve également le thermostat d’ambiance et le réglage classique de la T° Le bloc de ventilation/climatisation se situe à la hauteur du lit et la ventilation est sensible en position couchée mais pas spécifiquement dérangeante (pour nous).

Deux petits "bureaux" sont présents, l'un avec fauteuil, l'autre devant la vitre de la douche évoquée plus bas équipé d'un petit pouf.

Le bloc sanitaire est novateur, plus particulièrement pour ce qui est de la douche, une vraie douche maintenant qui remplace agréablement le minuscule espace douche habituel où on se colle au rideau plastique blanc, surtout quand on fait 1,93 m.

Ici, c’est une « vraie » douche à l’italienne, de taille réduite bien sûr (0, 7 m X 1 m, me semble t il) mais efficace.







Les grandes parois de la douche sont vitrées et la « grande » vitre fixe (partiellement opaque) donne sur la chambre (bonjour les fantasmes …) mais un rideau doublant cette vitre permet dignement de l’occulter ….

Le balcon est accessible par porte coulissante et de taille assez réduite, munis de deux sièges et SANS cendrier.

La taille des balcons est, comme celle des cabines, impactée par l’emplacement de la cabine dans le rafiot.



En conclusion une belle et agréable cabine, mais avec espaces de rangement quand même limités

La suite … prochainement

Joseph 😉
Circuits organisés par des agences traditionnelles en Namibie
by Poppea · 2020-01-23 · 41 replies
Bonjour Je désire partir en Namibie en septembre ou octobre 2020 Hélas je ne suis pas arrivée a convaincre d'ami(e)s pour de m'accompagner dans ce voyage 😕 Je me tourne donc vers des circuits organisés par des agences traditionnelles notamment nouvelles frontières qui propose un circuit très complet " Pays Himba, dunes et réserves de Namibie" a un tarif raisonnable car surtout en camp Quelqu'un a t il fait ce circuit récemment et qu'en pensez vous ? Merci pour vos futurs réponses
Un "Esta" bientôt nécessaire pour se rendre au Royaume-Uni?
by VoyageForum · 2019-12-04 · 401 replies
Visiblement, les autorités britanniques auraient dans l'idée de mettre en place un système d'Esta identique à celui existant pour les USA pour tous les voyageurs actuellement dispensés de visa (y compris donc les ressortissants de l'U.E.) souhaitant se rendre dans le pays une fois le Brexit effectif (s'il le devient un jour...). Lire la suite...
Autumn trip from Puglia to Naples via Basilicata...
by Brigitte42 · 2019-11-11 · 183 replies
Hi everyone!!!

I’m finally getting around to writing about this 20-day trip to southern Italy: we didn’t travel this summer, and luckily, we found beautiful light and dreamy weather there at the end of September.

First, here’s the context of the trip: we’re both "confirmed seniors" but still curious and alert enough to enjoy the itinerary we’d imagined! We wanted a mix of discoveries—culture, cities, and nature—with guaranteed sunshine and the occasional short hike... We’re flying to Naples, round-trip, because the flight times work better for us. We rented a car online, picked it up at the airport (details to come... and it won’t be the highlight of the trip!), and booked our hotels in advance.

A quick overview of the itinerary: leaving Naples on September 15th, early in the morning, we’ll drive straight across the boot of Italy to Bari. After 11 days in Puglia, we’ll head back toward our starting point, taking our time: Matera in Basilicata, Maratea by the sea, and finally Paestum with its incredible temples.

Day 1: Brussels-Naples flight (Brussels Airlines) went smoothly; it landed an hour early, and we were thrilled, thinking we could use that time for a quick visit or two... Everything went well until we left the airport. We took the shuttle to the car rental offices, and at first glance, we realized this wouldn’t be smooth sailing!!! In front of every office (they’re side by side), there were already lines and kids sitting on suitcases—everyone looked exhausted... We resigned ourselves to waiting: nothing moved until tempers flared at the counters, and two people nearly came to blows. Things sped up a little, and after 2 (two...) hours of waiting, we finally got our chariot: a black Fiat Tipo, dirty, with a few dents and scratches that we made sure to note in the contract... but it ran!

Off to Bari, then: no time for sightseeing along the way! From there, we headed straight to our hotel in the countryside near Polignano a Mare.



A recurring detail: this happened constantly during our travels. We’d installed our own GPS, fully updated... In recent years, many dirt roads have become drivable, and lots of hotels and hostels have opened in the outskirts of towns. It was extremely rare for our ‘guide’ to recognize the street—let alone the number—we entered. Often, we got by calling the hotel reception: it might seem like a small thing, but it happened so often it became frustrating. In hindsight, it seems like without Google Maps, we’d have been lost!

Anyway, we were beautifully settled, with a terrace overlooking olive groves and the sea in the distance: all was well.



To be continued...
Juillet 2019: le Northwest, cet autre ouest
by Peggy16 · 2019-10-20 · 177 replies
Après 7 voyages aux États-Unis, dont 5 voyages dans le Southwest, nous nous sommes décidés à visiter l’état de Washington et l’Oregon. Nous avons découvert un autre Ouest, tout aussi intéressant et envoûtant... deux états sauvages et aux multiples facettes.

Nous avons aimé les forêts parfois brumeuses, les plages aux récifs si particuliers, les nombreuses cascades, les hauts sommets visibles de loin, les volcans, la route qui nous a enchantés de nombreuses fois et nous avons même eu droit à des petits airs de Southwest par moment...

Si le cœur vous en dit, je vous emmène pour ce voyage de 24 jours, réalisé à deux pour une fois.

Les réservations : - Une fois décidé le fait que nous partirions sans les enfants (parce que Calista avait été un peu pénible lors de certaines randos en avril 2018 et aussi parce qu’il faut toujours les secouer le matin au réveil...), nous avons pris nos billets d’avion dès que le prix nous a convenu (une manière de ne pas revenir sur notre décision !). Nous avons pris des vols directs Paris-Vancouver chez Air Transat au prix de 724 € par personne. - Nous avons réservé la voiture chez Hertz. Nous avons loué une Ford Fusion au prix de 700 € pour 24 jours. - Comme à mon habitude, j’ai privilégié les réservations d’hôtels par Hotels.com pour cumuler des nuits, mais j’en ai aussi réservé l’un ou l’autre directement et nous avons loué sur Airbnb. - Nous avons aussi rempli notre formulaire pour l’AVE il y a quelques mois et notre ESTA est toujours valable, cela sera peut-être utile au passage de la frontière.

Le programme :

J1 : Jeudi 11 juillet – le voyage et le passage aux États-Unis J2 : Vendredi 12 juillet – autour d’Anacortes et le Deception Pass SP J3 : Samedi 13 juillet – Port Townsend et Olympic NP (Hurricane Ridge et Lake Crescent) J4 : Dimanche 14 juillet – Cape Flattery et Shi Shi Beach J5 : Lundi 15 juillet – des plages et la Hoh Rain Forest J6 : Mardi 16 juillet – Lake Quinault et route J7 : Mercredi 17 juillet – Astoria et route sous la pluie J8 : Jeudi 18 juillet - Cannon Beach, Ecola SP, cascades et route vers Bend J9 : Vendredi 19 juillet – rando aux Green Lakes J10 : Samedi 20 juillet – Newberry National Volcanic Monument J11 : Dimanche 21 juillet – Crater Lake NP J12 : Lundi 22 juillet – Smith Rock SP J13 : Mardi 23 juillet – John Day Fossil Beds NM (Painted Hills et Sheep Rock) J14 : Mercredi 24 juillet – Leslie Gulch et route vers Boise J15 : Jeudi 25 juillet – Boise et ses environs J16 : Vendredi 26 juillet – Hells Canyon J17 : Samedi 27 juillet – Hells Canyon Overlook et Joseph J18 : Dimanche 28 juillet – route vers la Columbia River et le Mt Hood J19 : Lundi 29 juillet – des cascades et encore des cascades... J20 : Mardi 30 juillet – Mt St Helens J21 : Mercredi 31 juillet – Mt Rainier (secteur Paradise) J22 : Jeudi 1er août – Mt Rainier J23 : Vendredi 2 août – sites de Twin Peaks J24 : Samedi 3 août – La Conner et route
Coup de gueule au sujet de la Turquie
by Trekkerbeub · 2019-08-23 · 584 replies
En 1997, lors de mon dernier "road trip" en Turquie, j'ai quitté un peuple attachant, souriant, honnête, libre, toujours prêt à vous aider. J'y suis retourné ce mois d'août après deux semaines à avoir sillonné la Grèce du Nord en famille. J'ai été profondément choqué par le changement que j'ai pu observer et vivre. Lors de mes 5 précédents voyages en 1985, 1989, 1991, 1996 et 1997, à avoir sillonné la Turquie d'est en ouest, et du Nord au Sud, je n'avais jamais vu de femmes vêtues intégralement de noir et intégralement voilées. Après avoir traversé la frontière Gréco-Turque, à la première grande ville traversée, j'ai pu voir de nombreuses femmes intégralement voilées de noir. N'ayant pas prévu de me rendre à Istanbul, je n'avais pas téléchargé la carte de Turquie dans mon GPS. Avec l'absence de panneaux clairs, à environ 2 ou 3 Km de Sultanahmet, j'ai demandé à un groupe de jeunes la direction à suivre pour rejoindre Sultanahmet. " Luetfen, could you please tell me the way to Sultanahmet ?". Il regarde ma plaque d'immatriculation et me répond "Yok" = "non". Cette première expérience d'antipathie a l'égard de nous, perçus comme occidentaux ou mécréants, ou les deux, je pourrais malheureusement la revivre régulièrement durant nos 3 jours passés à Istanbul. Quasiment toutes les femmes Turques d'Istanbul sont désormais voilées, inversement proportionnel à il y a 22ans. Plus moyen de boire une Efes Pilsen ou un vin Turc dans les restaurants où j'ai mangé, il n'y a plus de boissons alcoolisées proposées à la carte ! Je suis profondément triste pour ce peuple qui sombre dans l'obscurantisme de l'Akape et du fondamentalisme islamiste. Ce peuple si attachant, si aimable que j'ai quitté il y a 22 ans est devenu arrogant, fondamentaliste, antipathique. Dommage pour eux ... Il y a 20 fois moins d'occidentaux qu'auparavant à Istanbul ... Je comprends désormais pourquoi ...

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