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3 weeks in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, preliminary travel questions
Hi there, 🙂
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
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About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
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Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
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Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
---/---
About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
---/---
Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
---/---
Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
What are the criteria that make you choose one destination over another?
Hi there,
The title might be a bit long, but I hope it’s completely understandable!
When it comes to choosing your next trip, what tips the scales in favor of Eritrea over Ibiza?
Why pick Canada over French Polynesia?
The price? A magazine or TV report, a travel journal, an Instagram ad? Ease of travel? Minimal time difference? The country that has the most in common with all the trip participants? Activities? Relaxation? The desire to push your limits?
A photo?
What else, I wonder...
Personally, I often prioritize simple destinations (no administrative hassles), where I’m not at risk (nothing extraordinary like getting kidnapped by Daesh or ending up in a jail cell because the current geopolitics aren’t favorable to my passport, etc.), and where I can drive.
Wide-open natural spaces are more my thing than urban anthills.
Finally, I try not to spend three days on a plane to reach my destination, and I aim for a maximum budget of 3500 € (for 3 weeks) in comfortable conditions—that means charming hotels, good meals, etc.
What about you?🙂
The title might be a bit long, but I hope it’s completely understandable!
When it comes to choosing your next trip, what tips the scales in favor of Eritrea over Ibiza?
Why pick Canada over French Polynesia?
The price? A magazine or TV report, a travel journal, an Instagram ad? Ease of travel? Minimal time difference? The country that has the most in common with all the trip participants? Activities? Relaxation? The desire to push your limits?
A photo?
What else, I wonder...
Personally, I often prioritize simple destinations (no administrative hassles), where I’m not at risk (nothing extraordinary like getting kidnapped by Daesh or ending up in a jail cell because the current geopolitics aren’t favorable to my passport, etc.), and where I can drive.
Wide-open natural spaces are more my thing than urban anthills.
Finally, I try not to spend three days on a plane to reach my destination, and I aim for a maximum budget of 3500 € (for 3 weeks) in comfortable conditions—that means charming hotels, good meals, etc.
What about you?🙂
Texas, Louisiana, and a Touch of Florida
After five trips to the American West, we had planned to switch countries and continents to visit Turkey. However, by the time we made up our minds, flight ticket prices had nearly doubled, reaching 400 € for a round-trip ticket. A bit disappointed, I started looking at transatlantic flight prices and stumbled upon discounted tickets from Basel-Mulhouse to Dallas—at the same price as our tickets to Turkey!
No hesitation needed; we bought the five tickets for a total of 1,860 € excluding baggage!
From Fort Worth Airport, we had two options: - Head west on a loop through Texas, New Mexico, and southern Colorado - Head east to change the scenery and explore East Texas, Louisiana, with a possible detour into Florida.
The latter option won unanimously, so here we are, off to discover new states, mainly Louisiana and Texas.
One of the main post-COVID challenges is finding a reasonably priced car rental. After an initial booking around 1,300 €, we kept an eye on prices a few weeks before departure and managed to snag a better deal at around 900 € for a comfortable sedan.
Yes, this summer will also be a first: no 4x4, no camping, and plenty of restaurants!
As always, I’ve planned a packed itinerary, ready to adjust on the go. A few weeks before departure, we learned we’d be at full capacity—our eldest son, Maxime, got his first-year med school results. By finishing as a top admit, he avoided the mandatory July-August internship that would’ve kept him from joining us. Instead, he wrapped up his internship at the last minute the night before our big departure.
We’ll get to savor these special moments together.
The itinerary: Day 1 - 07/15: Fort Worth Day 2: Dallas Day 3: Jefferson - Caddo Lake Day 4: Black Bayou Lake - Natchez - Stanton Hall and Rosalie Mansion Day 5: St. Francisville - Rosedown Plantation - Cat Island Wildlife Refuge Day 6: Mobile - USS Alabama Battleship Memorial Park Day 7 - 8: Pensacola Beach Day 9: Bellingrath Gardens - New Orleans Day 10 - 11: New Orleans Day 12: Plantation Route Day 13: Jungle Gardens - Tabasco Factory - Vermilionville - Lake Martin Day 14: Baton Rouge - USS Kidd Day 15: Houma - Cajun Man's Swamp Tour Day 16: Galveston, Texas Day 17: Space Center Houston - Painted Churches Day 18: San Antonio Day 19: Texas Hill Country Day 20: Texas Hill Country and evening in San Antonio Day 21: Austin and Waco
Day 0 - 07/14: The departure timing isn’t exactly relaxing. On Thursday late afternoon, we hit the road to Alsace, aiming to drop off our two cockers with family before reaching the airport at 2 AM for a 3-hour power nap. Not exactly fresh, we arrive at the terminal looking for a British Airways counter. None in sight, so we try our luck at a United Airlines counter—who knows, maybe it’ll work out. And bingo! The agent checks us in. We didn’t quite understand why, but maybe there’s some agreement between airlines. For the first time, we’re traveling without checked baggage, so no extra fees. Not a huge feat, given the scorching temperatures awaiting us!
The connecting flight to London goes smoothly.
During the layover, liquid checks get stricter—now requiring small bottles to be in a pre-approved clear bag, with only one bag allowed per passenger. Normally, no big deal, but between deodorant, sunscreen, after-sun lotion, hand sanitizer, contact lens solution, etc., we spend 20 minutes optimizing the arrangement! When we finally succeed, one of the security staff bursts out laughing and congratulates us!
With our stomachs growling, we grab an American breakfast before browsing the airport shops.
We then discover our plane for the long-haul flight and are thrilled to see it’s an A380—a first for Laetitia, though the rest of the family experienced it during our winter getaway. Still just as impressive!
With a hint of uncertainty, we take off for the States—my third trip in barely 12 months. This time, no endless badlands, canyons, slot canyons, hoodoos, or brain rocks, but a journey through five states (Texas, Louisiana, a quick stop in Mississippi, Alabama, and the northwest tip of Florida), where we hope to soak up a unique vibe... with a packed schedule of diverse visits.
Arrival at Fort Worth Airport and customs go smoothly. Since we have no checked baggage, we’re first in line at the Dollar counter. In just 3 minutes, the formalities are done. We decline the Toll Pass, which I don’t think we’ll need based on my "calculations," and head to the Dollar parking lot, where an employee tells us we can pick any car we want!
There are about thirty cars waiting. Too many choices!
After last year’s mishap in Oakland, where our 4x4’s trunk was broken into, we’re looking for a sedan to hide our luggage this time. Unfortunately, there are none—only SUVs. We finally settle on a comfortable 7-seater Ford SUV with a massive trunk when set up for five.
On the road from Fort Worth to Dallas, we accidentally take a toll highway without realizing until it’s too late to exit. Let’s hope Dollar doesn’t charge us a week’s worth of their pricey Toll Pass for a $2 toll. We’ll see... In the meantime, Maxime sets up Google Maps to avoid toll roads.
Since it’s not too late, we stop by the nearest Walmart for groceries before checking into our hotel room for three nights in East Dallas suburb.
No hesitation needed; we bought the five tickets for a total of 1,860 € excluding baggage!
From Fort Worth Airport, we had two options: - Head west on a loop through Texas, New Mexico, and southern Colorado - Head east to change the scenery and explore East Texas, Louisiana, with a possible detour into Florida.
The latter option won unanimously, so here we are, off to discover new states, mainly Louisiana and Texas.
One of the main post-COVID challenges is finding a reasonably priced car rental. After an initial booking around 1,300 €, we kept an eye on prices a few weeks before departure and managed to snag a better deal at around 900 € for a comfortable sedan.
Yes, this summer will also be a first: no 4x4, no camping, and plenty of restaurants!
As always, I’ve planned a packed itinerary, ready to adjust on the go. A few weeks before departure, we learned we’d be at full capacity—our eldest son, Maxime, got his first-year med school results. By finishing as a top admit, he avoided the mandatory July-August internship that would’ve kept him from joining us. Instead, he wrapped up his internship at the last minute the night before our big departure.
We’ll get to savor these special moments together.
The itinerary: Day 1 - 07/15: Fort Worth Day 2: Dallas Day 3: Jefferson - Caddo Lake Day 4: Black Bayou Lake - Natchez - Stanton Hall and Rosalie Mansion Day 5: St. Francisville - Rosedown Plantation - Cat Island Wildlife Refuge Day 6: Mobile - USS Alabama Battleship Memorial Park Day 7 - 8: Pensacola Beach Day 9: Bellingrath Gardens - New Orleans Day 10 - 11: New Orleans Day 12: Plantation Route Day 13: Jungle Gardens - Tabasco Factory - Vermilionville - Lake Martin Day 14: Baton Rouge - USS Kidd Day 15: Houma - Cajun Man's Swamp Tour Day 16: Galveston, Texas Day 17: Space Center Houston - Painted Churches Day 18: San Antonio Day 19: Texas Hill Country Day 20: Texas Hill Country and evening in San Antonio Day 21: Austin and Waco
Day 0 - 07/14: The departure timing isn’t exactly relaxing. On Thursday late afternoon, we hit the road to Alsace, aiming to drop off our two cockers with family before reaching the airport at 2 AM for a 3-hour power nap. Not exactly fresh, we arrive at the terminal looking for a British Airways counter. None in sight, so we try our luck at a United Airlines counter—who knows, maybe it’ll work out. And bingo! The agent checks us in. We didn’t quite understand why, but maybe there’s some agreement between airlines. For the first time, we’re traveling without checked baggage, so no extra fees. Not a huge feat, given the scorching temperatures awaiting us!
The connecting flight to London goes smoothly.
During the layover, liquid checks get stricter—now requiring small bottles to be in a pre-approved clear bag, with only one bag allowed per passenger. Normally, no big deal, but between deodorant, sunscreen, after-sun lotion, hand sanitizer, contact lens solution, etc., we spend 20 minutes optimizing the arrangement! When we finally succeed, one of the security staff bursts out laughing and congratulates us!
With our stomachs growling, we grab an American breakfast before browsing the airport shops.
We then discover our plane for the long-haul flight and are thrilled to see it’s an A380—a first for Laetitia, though the rest of the family experienced it during our winter getaway. Still just as impressive!
With a hint of uncertainty, we take off for the States—my third trip in barely 12 months. This time, no endless badlands, canyons, slot canyons, hoodoos, or brain rocks, but a journey through five states (Texas, Louisiana, a quick stop in Mississippi, Alabama, and the northwest tip of Florida), where we hope to soak up a unique vibe... with a packed schedule of diverse visits.
Arrival at Fort Worth Airport and customs go smoothly. Since we have no checked baggage, we’re first in line at the Dollar counter. In just 3 minutes, the formalities are done. We decline the Toll Pass, which I don’t think we’ll need based on my "calculations," and head to the Dollar parking lot, where an employee tells us we can pick any car we want!
There are about thirty cars waiting. Too many choices!
After last year’s mishap in Oakland, where our 4x4’s trunk was broken into, we’re looking for a sedan to hide our luggage this time. Unfortunately, there are none—only SUVs. We finally settle on a comfortable 7-seater Ford SUV with a massive trunk when set up for five.
On the road from Fort Worth to Dallas, we accidentally take a toll highway without realizing until it’s too late to exit. Let’s hope Dollar doesn’t charge us a week’s worth of their pricey Toll Pass for a $2 toll. We’ll see... In the meantime, Maxime sets up Google Maps to avoid toll roads.
Since it’s not too late, we stop by the nearest Walmart for groceries before checking into our hotel room for three nights in East Dallas suburb.
A Month in Laos and Cambodia
Hello everyone,
At the start of November, a bit of rest before winter will be perfect to kick off this travel journal. There aren’t many recent journals about this part of the world, so I’ll take the plunge—my way of celebrating the (unexpected) return of this forum, which has been such a big part of my life for over 15 years.
So, back to Asia at the end of 2023. After Myanmar in 2015 and Vietnam in 2018, we’ve chosen Laos this time. And when talking with friends (you know how it is—everyone asks, "So, where are you going this year?"), a couple of friends asked to join us ("You see, my wife dreams of a trip to Asia, and I dream of traveling like you, independently"). We’ve spent a week with them (and other friends) in Portugal, so we know they’re easygoing and flexible. They’ll only be with us after Christmas (due to lots of grandkids), so deal—we’re bringing them along! A new experience for us.
A new experience that’ll start with tweaking the itinerary. Originally, I planned to stay a month in Laos, but what could be more magical for my friend’s wife than discovering Asia by way of Angkor! Plus, our two daughters asked for some beach time at the end of the trip! So, it’ll be Laos and Cambodia—neither of which we’ve visited before, so no complaints there.
The route will be pretty classic, though a bit scattered to fit our dates and wishes. For us, we’ll arrive in Luang Prabang (LP) to take some time to acclimate, then a few days in the northern Laos mountains, Nong Khiaw and Muang Ngoi. Back to LP for a direct flight to Pakse. Yes, I know—so many amazing places we’ll miss along the way, but as you know, choosing means letting go... From Pakse, I’m leaving a few days open (no bookings), but I’m eyeing Champassak and the 4,000 Islands. That’s where Mariel and Naty (our friends!) will join us on December 30th. I’ve tentatively added the Bolaven Plateau loop to the plan (still no bookings). Their Laos adventure will be short—by January 3rd, we’ll cross the border into Cambodia, heading straight to Siem Reap for 5 days. Then, I’ll fulfill my promise with a magical detour to Koh Rong Sanloem via a night bus (a must-do in Asia!). On to Phnom Penh for 2 days—where our trip ends, while Mariel and Naty will stop in Bangkok for 3 days before flying home.
So, fasten your seatbelts, flight attendants at the doors, and sorry for the long intro—here we go on this Asian adventure!
At the start of November, a bit of rest before winter will be perfect to kick off this travel journal. There aren’t many recent journals about this part of the world, so I’ll take the plunge—my way of celebrating the (unexpected) return of this forum, which has been such a big part of my life for over 15 years.
So, back to Asia at the end of 2023. After Myanmar in 2015 and Vietnam in 2018, we’ve chosen Laos this time. And when talking with friends (you know how it is—everyone asks, "So, where are you going this year?"), a couple of friends asked to join us ("You see, my wife dreams of a trip to Asia, and I dream of traveling like you, independently"). We’ve spent a week with them (and other friends) in Portugal, so we know they’re easygoing and flexible. They’ll only be with us after Christmas (due to lots of grandkids), so deal—we’re bringing them along! A new experience for us.
A new experience that’ll start with tweaking the itinerary. Originally, I planned to stay a month in Laos, but what could be more magical for my friend’s wife than discovering Asia by way of Angkor! Plus, our two daughters asked for some beach time at the end of the trip! So, it’ll be Laos and Cambodia—neither of which we’ve visited before, so no complaints there.
The route will be pretty classic, though a bit scattered to fit our dates and wishes. For us, we’ll arrive in Luang Prabang (LP) to take some time to acclimate, then a few days in the northern Laos mountains, Nong Khiaw and Muang Ngoi. Back to LP for a direct flight to Pakse. Yes, I know—so many amazing places we’ll miss along the way, but as you know, choosing means letting go... From Pakse, I’m leaving a few days open (no bookings), but I’m eyeing Champassak and the 4,000 Islands. That’s where Mariel and Naty (our friends!) will join us on December 30th. I’ve tentatively added the Bolaven Plateau loop to the plan (still no bookings). Their Laos adventure will be short—by January 3rd, we’ll cross the border into Cambodia, heading straight to Siem Reap for 5 days. Then, I’ll fulfill my promise with a magical detour to Koh Rong Sanloem via a night bus (a must-do in Asia!). On to Phnom Penh for 2 days—where our trip ends, while Mariel and Naty will stop in Bangkok for 3 days before flying home.
So, fasten your seatbelts, flight attendants at the doors, and sorry for the long intro—here we go on this Asian adventure!
4 friends discover a piece of North India
Hello fellow travelers!
I’m adding my small contribution to the reopening celebration by posting this travel journal from India, made in January 2024. We’re 4 friends (2 couples), and we did a 3-week loop in Rajasthan, stopping by Delhi and Agra (which, as everyone knows, aren’t in Rajasthan 😛). Delhi - Agra - Jaipur - Bundi - Udaipur - Jodhpur - Jaisalmer - Delhi
We rented a car with a driver from Agra to Jaisalmer, 550 € for 14 days. https://chauffeurpriveeninde.com/fr/
We took the train from Delhi to Agra and the plane (Spicejet) from Jaisalmer to Delhi.
Most of the accommodations were booked on Booking before we left.
I’m sharing this story written by Richard and illustrated by me. We dedicate it to Nathalie and Bruno, our amazing travel companions.
I’m adding my small contribution to the reopening celebration by posting this travel journal from India, made in January 2024. We’re 4 friends (2 couples), and we did a 3-week loop in Rajasthan, stopping by Delhi and Agra (which, as everyone knows, aren’t in Rajasthan 😛). Delhi - Agra - Jaipur - Bundi - Udaipur - Jodhpur - Jaisalmer - Delhi
We rented a car with a driver from Agra to Jaisalmer, 550 € for 14 days. https://chauffeurpriveeninde.com/fr/
We took the train from Delhi to Agra and the plane (Spicejet) from Jaisalmer to Delhi.
Most of the accommodations were booked on Booking before we left.
I’m sharing this story written by Richard and illustrated by me. We dedicate it to Nathalie and Bruno, our amazing travel companions.
Préparer son voyage à vélo ou improviser, vous faites comment?
Salut à tous,
On voit bien que tous les vélos permettent de voyager, pourvu qu'on ai l'envie , quoi que selon les itinéraires certains vont mieux que d'autres...
Autre sujet de partage d'expérience: la préparation
- Préparation de l'itinéraire, êtes vous du genre à tout planifier à l'avance ? (les hébergements , les étapes etc) ou bien "a l'aventure", "on verra bien" ? - Préparation des sacoches , le listing sur excell ! ou au pif et on oublie toujours un truc ? - Fana d'électronique (genre tableau de bord d'Airbus) avec GPS , smartphone, compteur ... ou Carte papier à l'ancienne ? - Etes vous du genre inquiet avec 5kg d'outillage, 3 chambres à air et un pneu de rechange pour la "Loire à vélo" ou bien un multi outil et une chambre à air pour la route de la soie ? - Les trucs indispensables à prendre pour vous c'est : une chaise, une table, 10kg de fringues et 3 paires de chaussures ? ou bien juste une tenue de rechange, des tongs pour l'étape soit 10kg tout compris ? - La photo pour vous c'est : 1) rien du tout, 2) un smartphone, ou 3) un reflex, 3 objectifs et un trépied ?
Voila je vous laisse nous raconter ...
Autre sujet de partage d'expérience: la préparation
- Préparation de l'itinéraire, êtes vous du genre à tout planifier à l'avance ? (les hébergements , les étapes etc) ou bien "a l'aventure", "on verra bien" ? - Préparation des sacoches , le listing sur excell ! ou au pif et on oublie toujours un truc ? - Fana d'électronique (genre tableau de bord d'Airbus) avec GPS , smartphone, compteur ... ou Carte papier à l'ancienne ? - Etes vous du genre inquiet avec 5kg d'outillage, 3 chambres à air et un pneu de rechange pour la "Loire à vélo" ou bien un multi outil et une chambre à air pour la route de la soie ? - Les trucs indispensables à prendre pour vous c'est : une chaise, une table, 10kg de fringues et 3 paires de chaussures ? ou bien juste une tenue de rechange, des tongs pour l'étape soit 10kg tout compris ? - La photo pour vous c'est : 1) rien du tout, 2) un smartphone, ou 3) un reflex, 3 objectifs et un trépied ?
Voila je vous laisse nous raconter ...
Avez-vous changé votre rapport aux voyages à cause du Covid?
Bonsoir à tous,
Etant en train de réfléchir à d'éventuels futurs voyages, je me heurte bien sûr à la situation de la crise sanitaire.
Cela a-t-il affecté votre façon de voyager et prévoir vos voyages ?
Là par ex, je regarde les destinations où le masque n'est pas obligatoire à l'extérieur, où il n'y a pas (trop) de risque de quarantaine, etc.
Mais aussi les conditions d'annulations/report selon les pays.
Je vois qu'Airbnb ne remboursera pas les voyageurs en cas de confinement ou quarantaine. C'est donc la course aux logement flexibles, il y en a peu... pour l'avion cela dépend de la compagnie.
Mon prochain voyage prévu et payé, c'est avec Wizz Air pour la Pologne. Pas de remboursement (sauf si vol annulé bien sûr) mais les prix étant faibles, je prends le risque ! L'hébergement est annulable également.
Ces paramètres influent sur le choix des futurs destinations.
Et vous, comment procédez-vous ?
Etant en train de réfléchir à d'éventuels futurs voyages, je me heurte bien sûr à la situation de la crise sanitaire.
Cela a-t-il affecté votre façon de voyager et prévoir vos voyages ?
Là par ex, je regarde les destinations où le masque n'est pas obligatoire à l'extérieur, où il n'y a pas (trop) de risque de quarantaine, etc.
Mais aussi les conditions d'annulations/report selon les pays.
Je vois qu'Airbnb ne remboursera pas les voyageurs en cas de confinement ou quarantaine. C'est donc la course aux logement flexibles, il y en a peu... pour l'avion cela dépend de la compagnie.
Mon prochain voyage prévu et payé, c'est avec Wizz Air pour la Pologne. Pas de remboursement (sauf si vol annulé bien sûr) mais les prix étant faibles, je prends le risque ! L'hébergement est annulable également.
Ces paramètres influent sur le choix des futurs destinations.
Et vous, comment procédez-vous ?
Vous interdisez-vous de voyager dans certains pays pour des raisons morales ou politiques?
Hallo les voyageurs !
J'ai une question pour vous qui vous baladez de par le vaste monde.
Est-ce que vous prenez en considération le régime politique d'un pays lorsque vous choisissez une destination ? En d'autres termes, est-ce que vous décidez de ne pas vous rendre dans certains pays pour ne pas légitimer en quelque sorte le régime en place ?
Dans le LP sur la Birmanie, ils posent la question : "should you go there ?" et ensuite ils essaient de peser le pour et le contre dans un passage dédié. Faites-vous de même ?
Par exemple, iriez-vous en Corée du Nord, en Chine, en Biélorussie ou en Iran pour ne citer que quelques charmants pays amis des droits de l'Homme ? Si oui, vous sentez-vous le besoin de vous justifier, et comment ? Sinon, quels sont vos raisons qui vous font reculer ?
J'ai parlé de morale dans mon titre, est-ce que ce terme vous semble approprié ?
A vous lire,
Claude
J'ai une question pour vous qui vous baladez de par le vaste monde.
Est-ce que vous prenez en considération le régime politique d'un pays lorsque vous choisissez une destination ? En d'autres termes, est-ce que vous décidez de ne pas vous rendre dans certains pays pour ne pas légitimer en quelque sorte le régime en place ?
Dans le LP sur la Birmanie, ils posent la question : "should you go there ?" et ensuite ils essaient de peser le pour et le contre dans un passage dédié. Faites-vous de même ?
Par exemple, iriez-vous en Corée du Nord, en Chine, en Biélorussie ou en Iran pour ne citer que quelques charmants pays amis des droits de l'Homme ? Si oui, vous sentez-vous le besoin de vous justifier, et comment ? Sinon, quels sont vos raisons qui vous font reculer ?
J'ai parlé de morale dans mon titre, est-ce que ce terme vous semble approprié ?
A vous lire,
Claude
La Bolivie, un voyage riche en émotions!
Bonjour à tous,
Ce carnet, je ne pensais pas le rédiger, à mon retour de Bolivie. Certains d’entre vous le savent d’ailleurs. Trop amère, trop choquée.
Et puis heureusement, le temps fait son affaire et estompe les mauvais souvenirs pour laisser principalement les bons. Rédiger ce carnet m’aide aussi je pense à tourner la page sur certains (très) mauvais moments, quand bien même ils datent déjà de huit mois. Certains épisodes auront été riches en émotions….
La Bolivie, j’en rêvais depuis plusieurs années. Envie de grands espaces, de nature, de kaléidoscope coloré. Envie de voir des lamas, des viscaches, des vigognes, des condors. Envie de voir les lagunes, LE salar, les couleurs du désert de Dali. Envie de découvrir l’Amérique du Sud et ce pays encore peu prisé des touristes. Envie de réaliser ce voyage tel que nous le pouvons sans nos enfants : peu de réservations d’hôtels, du camping sauvage et un itinéraire décidé pour les grandes étapes mais ajusté au jour le jour selon nos coups de cœur.
Les carnets lus au fil des mois confirmaient que le Sud Lipez reste accessible en individuel et autonome, même s’il est évidemment préférable de voyager à deux voitures. Mes beaux-parents acceptant de venir garder nos fils quelques jours avant le début des vacances scolaires de la Toussaint, je commence à organiser dès le mois de mai un périple de 16 jours entiers sur place. Depuis plusieurs mois, je m’étais forgé un début d’itinéraire selon ces différents critères :
J’exclus La Paz. Nous visiterons la capitale lors d’un futur voyage au Pérou où nous ajouterons quelques étapes nord-boliviennes. Je choisis d’atterrir à Santa Cruz de la Sierra avant de reprendre dans la foulée un avion pour Sucre. En effet, notre loueur de voiture, Biz Rent a Car, est situé à Sucre et a bonne réputation sur forum, notamment grâce à l’une des employées, Alejandra et sa maîtrise du français. Je prévois la majorité de notre temps dans le Sud Lipez afin de pouvoir admirer notamment les lagunes et le salar. Le carnet d’AirOne me donne envie de découvrir Tajira, région viticole et par conséquent plus verdoyante que le Sud Lipez désertique. Je réserve auprès de Vicente deux nuits dans sa ferme-auberge à Rosillas et un trek d’une journée permettant d’observer les condors Difficultés d’acclimatation liées à l’altitude : ne pas atterrir à La Paz permet déjà d’éviter une mise dans le bain d’entrée à 3600 mètres. Il sera plus aisé d’atterrir à Santa Cruz (416 mètres) et même Sucre (2750 mètres), d’autant que nous prévoyons de partir rapidement sur la région de Tajira (1900 mètres).
L’Amérique du Sud offrant plusieurs pays nous attirant depuis quelques années, mon mari a commencé à apprendre l’espagnol deux ans auparavant. Heureusement, car nous n’avons rencontré que très peu de Boliviens parlant (un peu) l’anglais. Comme beaucoup de voyageurs, nous avions téléchargé des cartes sous Maps.me qui une fois stockées sur les téléphones permettent de circuler sans accès au réseau.
J’apprends dans le courant de l’été 2019 que les élections présidentielles auront lieu pendant notre séjour. Soit ! Ce ne sera pas notre premier voyage en pleine campagne présidentielle. Au départ, je n’y prête pas tellement attention. Et puis fin août, Carmen (Ticapi) m’apprend qu’il sera interdit de circuler lors du premier tour des élections, le dimanche 20 octobre. Après consultation de mon ébauche d’itinéraire, nous avions justement prévu de repartir ce jour-là de Rosillas pour rejoindre Tupiza avant d’enchaîner sur le Sud Lipez. Avec seize jours sur place, nous n’avions pas envie de « perdre » une journée à Rosillas et reporter notre départ d’une journée. Il était également difficile de prévoir le trek le dimanche 20 car Vincent nous a précisé qu’en raison des élections, les villageois ne seraient pas disponibles pour faire office de guide dans la montagne. Il nous fallait trouver un endroit où nous pourrions passer la journée entière sans utiliser la voiture. Pas si simple. Alors finalement, plutôt qu’entamer notre séjour par Rosillas, cette étape sera la dernière de notre voyage. Nous devons atterrir à Sucre le matin du mercredi 17 et je prévois d’y séjourner deux jours. Direction ensuite Tupiza puis Guadalupe et enfin la laguna Celeste où nous resterons la fameuse journée des élections présidentielles à randonner dans les environs. Ça, c’était le programme initial. Ça ne s’est pas tout à fait déroulé ainsi !
Allez, quelques photos pour, peut-être, vous donner envie de poursuivre la lecture de ce carnet 🙂
Et puis heureusement, le temps fait son affaire et estompe les mauvais souvenirs pour laisser principalement les bons. Rédiger ce carnet m’aide aussi je pense à tourner la page sur certains (très) mauvais moments, quand bien même ils datent déjà de huit mois. Certains épisodes auront été riches en émotions….
La Bolivie, j’en rêvais depuis plusieurs années. Envie de grands espaces, de nature, de kaléidoscope coloré. Envie de voir des lamas, des viscaches, des vigognes, des condors. Envie de voir les lagunes, LE salar, les couleurs du désert de Dali. Envie de découvrir l’Amérique du Sud et ce pays encore peu prisé des touristes. Envie de réaliser ce voyage tel que nous le pouvons sans nos enfants : peu de réservations d’hôtels, du camping sauvage et un itinéraire décidé pour les grandes étapes mais ajusté au jour le jour selon nos coups de cœur.
Les carnets lus au fil des mois confirmaient que le Sud Lipez reste accessible en individuel et autonome, même s’il est évidemment préférable de voyager à deux voitures. Mes beaux-parents acceptant de venir garder nos fils quelques jours avant le début des vacances scolaires de la Toussaint, je commence à organiser dès le mois de mai un périple de 16 jours entiers sur place. Depuis plusieurs mois, je m’étais forgé un début d’itinéraire selon ces différents critères :
J’exclus La Paz. Nous visiterons la capitale lors d’un futur voyage au Pérou où nous ajouterons quelques étapes nord-boliviennes. Je choisis d’atterrir à Santa Cruz de la Sierra avant de reprendre dans la foulée un avion pour Sucre. En effet, notre loueur de voiture, Biz Rent a Car, est situé à Sucre et a bonne réputation sur forum, notamment grâce à l’une des employées, Alejandra et sa maîtrise du français. Je prévois la majorité de notre temps dans le Sud Lipez afin de pouvoir admirer notamment les lagunes et le salar. Le carnet d’AirOne me donne envie de découvrir Tajira, région viticole et par conséquent plus verdoyante que le Sud Lipez désertique. Je réserve auprès de Vicente deux nuits dans sa ferme-auberge à Rosillas et un trek d’une journée permettant d’observer les condors Difficultés d’acclimatation liées à l’altitude : ne pas atterrir à La Paz permet déjà d’éviter une mise dans le bain d’entrée à 3600 mètres. Il sera plus aisé d’atterrir à Santa Cruz (416 mètres) et même Sucre (2750 mètres), d’autant que nous prévoyons de partir rapidement sur la région de Tajira (1900 mètres).
L’Amérique du Sud offrant plusieurs pays nous attirant depuis quelques années, mon mari a commencé à apprendre l’espagnol deux ans auparavant. Heureusement, car nous n’avons rencontré que très peu de Boliviens parlant (un peu) l’anglais. Comme beaucoup de voyageurs, nous avions téléchargé des cartes sous Maps.me qui une fois stockées sur les téléphones permettent de circuler sans accès au réseau.
J’apprends dans le courant de l’été 2019 que les élections présidentielles auront lieu pendant notre séjour. Soit ! Ce ne sera pas notre premier voyage en pleine campagne présidentielle. Au départ, je n’y prête pas tellement attention. Et puis fin août, Carmen (Ticapi) m’apprend qu’il sera interdit de circuler lors du premier tour des élections, le dimanche 20 octobre. Après consultation de mon ébauche d’itinéraire, nous avions justement prévu de repartir ce jour-là de Rosillas pour rejoindre Tupiza avant d’enchaîner sur le Sud Lipez. Avec seize jours sur place, nous n’avions pas envie de « perdre » une journée à Rosillas et reporter notre départ d’une journée. Il était également difficile de prévoir le trek le dimanche 20 car Vincent nous a précisé qu’en raison des élections, les villageois ne seraient pas disponibles pour faire office de guide dans la montagne. Il nous fallait trouver un endroit où nous pourrions passer la journée entière sans utiliser la voiture. Pas si simple. Alors finalement, plutôt qu’entamer notre séjour par Rosillas, cette étape sera la dernière de notre voyage. Nous devons atterrir à Sucre le matin du mercredi 17 et je prévois d’y séjourner deux jours. Direction ensuite Tupiza puis Guadalupe et enfin la laguna Celeste où nous resterons la fameuse journée des élections présidentielles à randonner dans les environs. Ça, c’était le programme initial. Ça ne s’est pas tout à fait déroulé ainsi !
Allez, quelques photos pour, peut-être, vous donner envie de poursuivre la lecture de ce carnet 🙂
Vers la fin des voyages internationaux?
S'achemine t-on vers la fin des voyages internationaux ?
Les pays exigent une assurance qui prenne en charge le COVID et les assurances ne veulent pas couvrir ce risque ou alors, il est à craindre, une assurance d'un montant colossal.
Le covid n'a pas disparu et il peut réapparaître.
Je ne veux pas être l'oiseau de mauvais augure mais il me semble que nous allons devoir nous adapter.
Déréclusion!
Déréclusion !
Je ne suis pas à un néologisme près.
Parce que j’me demande : Suis-je libre ? En liberté surveillée ? Contrainte ? Coercition sanitaire et salubrité publique... J’crois que secouer les peurs est mille fois plus efficace qu’un bracelet électronique. Voir le monde entier en pause, je ne pensais pas le vivre. Je comprends aujourd’hui avec quelle rapidité pourrait s’installer une dictature.
J’me demande pourquoi je ne ressens aucune crainte, pourquoi je me sens à mille lieux des peurs dont j’entends parler. Suis-je normale ? Suis-je inconsciente ? J’ai vu des gens avec un masque en voiture, mettre des gants pour tenir un chariot de magasin, où s’arrête le bon sens ? C’est quand même horripilant de se sentir infantilisé. Quand j’entends toutes ces sommités parler, j’ai l’impression qu’elles s’adressent à une population de mômes.
Parait que certains sont porteurs sains et transmettent le virus, paraît que certains ont eu la maladie sans s’en apercevoir et ont des anticorps, paraît que certains ont été malades et ont développé des anticorps, paraît que certains n’ont jamais été en contact et ne seront jamais malades, paraît qu’il faut qu’il y ait 60 % au moins de gens avec des anticorps pour l’immunité collective. Ca s’appelle RO lala.
Et beaucoup sont morts et au regard de l’humanité sur nos plus de 7 milliards, c’est une goutte. Une goutte d’acide et de chagrin pour les familles et amis des décédés, c’est certain. Des cataractes de panique pour des millions d’autres qui tremblent d’entendre un reniflement ou un éternuement. J’me demande aussi combien sont morts de faim et de maladie dans le même temps et aussi combien vont mourir des dégâts induits par le monde à l’arrêt.
Combien de pandémies ont-elles eu lieu sans que le monde occidental ne bouge un cil ? Un virus à la volette et qui disparaîtra comme tous les virus avant qu’un autre ne prenne le relais. C’est ainsi depuis toujours.
Ma solution : je respecte les peurs et angoisses des autres. Je respecte les consignes assenées à longueur de temps. Mais dans l’absolu, au fond de ma p’tite tête, j’pense tout autre chose et me tiens coite.
Je ne suis pas à un néologisme près.
Parce que j’me demande : Suis-je libre ? En liberté surveillée ? Contrainte ? Coercition sanitaire et salubrité publique... J’crois que secouer les peurs est mille fois plus efficace qu’un bracelet électronique. Voir le monde entier en pause, je ne pensais pas le vivre. Je comprends aujourd’hui avec quelle rapidité pourrait s’installer une dictature.
J’me demande pourquoi je ne ressens aucune crainte, pourquoi je me sens à mille lieux des peurs dont j’entends parler. Suis-je normale ? Suis-je inconsciente ? J’ai vu des gens avec un masque en voiture, mettre des gants pour tenir un chariot de magasin, où s’arrête le bon sens ? C’est quand même horripilant de se sentir infantilisé. Quand j’entends toutes ces sommités parler, j’ai l’impression qu’elles s’adressent à une population de mômes.
Parait que certains sont porteurs sains et transmettent le virus, paraît que certains ont eu la maladie sans s’en apercevoir et ont des anticorps, paraît que certains ont été malades et ont développé des anticorps, paraît que certains n’ont jamais été en contact et ne seront jamais malades, paraît qu’il faut qu’il y ait 60 % au moins de gens avec des anticorps pour l’immunité collective. Ca s’appelle RO lala.
Et beaucoup sont morts et au regard de l’humanité sur nos plus de 7 milliards, c’est une goutte. Une goutte d’acide et de chagrin pour les familles et amis des décédés, c’est certain. Des cataractes de panique pour des millions d’autres qui tremblent d’entendre un reniflement ou un éternuement. J’me demande aussi combien sont morts de faim et de maladie dans le même temps et aussi combien vont mourir des dégâts induits par le monde à l’arrêt.
Combien de pandémies ont-elles eu lieu sans que le monde occidental ne bouge un cil ? Un virus à la volette et qui disparaîtra comme tous les virus avant qu’un autre ne prenne le relais. C’est ainsi depuis toujours.
Ma solution : je respecte les peurs et angoisses des autres. Je respecte les consignes assenées à longueur de temps. Mais dans l’absolu, au fond de ma p’tite tête, j’pense tout autre chose et me tiens coite.
Voyage à vélo prévu ce printemps, qu'envisagez vous?
Bonjour,
nous devions partir mi avril pour un voyage à vélo ces jours mais le confinement nous fait repousser la date de départ.
Êtes vous dans ce cas également?
Comment envisagez vous la suite ?
Où et quand partir selon le déconfinement ?
Faut-il organiser le tour de France en 2020?
c'est un peu en dehors de notre mouvement, mais la question peut se poser
https://www.cyclismactu.net/news-tour-de-france-une-epidemiologiste-tire-la-sonnette-d-alarme-90384.html
Et vous qu'en pensez vous ?
Voyage 5 mois et 3 semaines en Amérique du Sud
Bonjour,
Il n'est jamais trop tard pour rendre compte de son voyage. Le confinement me laisse enfin du temps pour le faire.
Je suis parti le 17 août 2017 et je suis rentré le 7 février 2018. Entre temps, je suis allé en Argentine par cargo puis une fois sur ce continent, j'ai visité l'Uruguay, l'Argentine et le Chili.
Durant tout ce voyage, j'ai tenu un carnet journalier.
Je me propose de vous le livrer.
On part en vadrouille dans l'ouest américain! Oui, encore...
En ces temps difficiles qui nous obligent à trouver des occupations, je vous soumets ici un carnet que j'avais rédigé il y a quelques années et que je n'ai jamais publié ici... Bonne lecture (pour ceux que ça intéresse...)...
24 juillet - Itinéraire d’une famille gâtée
Envie de t’évader ? Envie de rêver ? Envie de t’amuser ? Oui ? Alors tu as frappé à la bonne adresse... Plus précisément à l’adresse de celui qui a attrapé un virus… En l’occurrence, moi… Et ce virus, pas question de m’en débarrasser en me bourrant d’antibiotiques. Non seulement, les antibiotiques, ce n’est pas automatique, mais ce virus-là, j’en prends grand soin. Je l’entretiens, même… Ce virus, c’est l’étasunite ! Je l’ai contracté le jour où j’ai posé mes arpions chez l’oncle Sam pour la première fois, il y a une décennie de cela. Tout ça ne me rajeunit pas mais depuis ce fameux jour, lui et moi, nous ne nous sommes plus jamais quittés. Un proverbe dit à ce sujet que si tu vas aux Etats-Unis une fois, tu y reviendras un jour… Ben moi, depuis, j’y suis même retourné deux autres fois ! Et figure-toi que si tu lis ces quelques lignes, c’est que je m’apprête à y retourner pour une quatrième vadrouille !... Pour cette fois-ci, je vais accomplir un de mes rêves ! Me faire la route 66 sur mon Harley avec une belle brune accrochée à ma taille... Manque de bol, ma femme est blonde, je n'ai pas le permis moto et nous avons deux louloutes de quatre et sept ans… Va donc falloir que je revoie mes plans...
Bon, si tu es un lecteur assidu de nos précédentes vadrouilles, nous n’avons plus de secret pour toi, si bien que tu sais déjà que nous sommes quatre, juste un an de plus par rapport à la dernière fois… Il y a bien évidemment Sandrine, ma femme alias le portefeuille ; Sasha, notre petite globetrotteuse de quatre ans ; et Anna notre routarde de sept ans et plus toutes ses dents... Ah, et je m’oubliais ! Moi, Franck, la trentaine bien tassée, alias le conducteur, le tour opérateur, le narrateur, le cuisinier, le… Oui, je sais, moi aussi, j’aimerais bien déléguer… Ah, mais j’oublie encore quelqu’un !… Toi… Mais bon, sauf le respect que je te dois, tu ne seras une nouvelle fois que le spectateur du film que nous allons tourner et interpréter… D’ailleurs, quel en sera le titre ?... Et bien après réflexion, on a le choix entre « Voyage entre geysers et déserts », ou alors « Sous le soleil de Beverly Hills »… Pour ce coup-là, en espérant ne pas les vexer, on décide de poser un lapin à Brandon et Brenda… Car oui, c’est décidé, cette nouvelle édition sera composée d'indiens, de geysers, de trappeurs, de pionniers, de bisons, de chercheurs d'or, de hors-la-loi, de ranchs et de cowboys ! A nous les grands espaces… et les gros hamburgers !!! A nous l’ouest américain et ses films qui donnent tant envie : Délivrance, la colline a des yeux, Shining, The Descent, ...
Mais un voyage comme celui-là, ça se prépare un ‘tiot peu. Premièrement, il faut du blé, du flouze, du fric, du pognon, des pépettes, de la caillasse… Ben oui, ça coûte cher tout ça, donc à moins de faire comme le PSG et te faire subventionner par un investisseur qatari, il va falloir que tu en mettes de côté. Deuxièmement, il faut un minimum de travail de préparation. Et je commencerai mon histoire par un retour dans le passé, un bond dans le temps pour revenir pile poil au moment où Sandrine a enfin craqué sous mes coups de butoir et m’a donné son ô combien précieuse approbation… « Allez, ok, c’est bon, fais-toi plaisir ! » Sans avoir réellement conscience de la portée de ces quelques mots, elle venait de me signer un contrat de travail d’un an ! Car moi, ni une, ni deux, j'ai employé toute une équipe de lutins pour m'aider à préparer mon itinéraire. Lecture de carnets de voyage, questions sur des forums, épluchage de guides, visionnage de films, essorage d’internet, … Au final, je dois dire que je suis plus que satisfait de leur boulot ! Ce qui me permet non pas de faire un bilan puisqu'heureusement, le voyage n'est pas commencé, mais plutôt un petit compte-rendu chiffré de ce qui nous attend. Huit états à traverser ou à effleurer, plus de cinq mille kilomètres à parcourir, vingt jours pleins sur place, deux hôtels, quatorze campings différents, huit heures de décalage... Mes trois blondes vont-elles le supporter ? Optimiste que je suis, je mise sur un grand « Oui » ! D’ailleurs, pour les préparer, j’ai mis en place un programme intensif trois mois avant le départ : Marche autour de notre immense propriété, westerns tous les soirs, Coca et hamburgers à volonté à tous les repas !... Et oui, qui ménage sa monture voyage plus souvent !
Avant de tailler la route, je profite de cette intro pour publier une petite annonce à destination des cambrioleurs amateurs de textes de voyage : passez votre route, ma maison est équipée d’une alarme biométrique avec double varifocale et matrice de commutation. De plus, j’ai loué à un pote du neuf trois son gros pitbull pour l’occasion. Sans compter que pendant nos vacances, ma maison va être occupée par mes parents qui sont tous les deux experts en arts martiaux !... D’ailleurs, pourquoi je te raconte ces bobards alors que tu ne connais même pas mon adresse… C'est le 25, avenue des canaris à Triffouillis-sur-Retourne... Euh, merci de ne pas m’envoyer de carte postale à l'adresse ci-dessus... c'est une fausse !
Bon, chut, ça y est, c’est l’heure de l’évaluation… On va savoir si toute la famille est prête pour le grand départ : « Sandrine, donne-moi les huit états dans lesquels nous allons poser les pieds... - Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Dakota du sud, Montana, Idaho, Utah et... euh... mince, oh, je l’ai sur le bout de la langue… Ah oui, l’Arizona !!!… - Mouais… C’était moins une… Encore un peu et tu n’partais pas avec nous ! Et toi, Anna, cite-moi les quatre présidents sculptés sur le Mont Rushmore ? - Abram Licol, Tomasse Washington, George Jeffessonne et Theodore Rousevelle... - Ok, on va dire que c’est bon… Et toi, Sasha, dans quel pays allons-nous cet été ? - Les Jétajuniiiiis de l’Amérique de Mickey ! » Ok, c’est bon, elles sont fin prêtes ! Attention, départ imminent !
24 juillet - Itinéraire d’une famille gâtée
Envie de t’évader ? Envie de rêver ? Envie de t’amuser ? Oui ? Alors tu as frappé à la bonne adresse... Plus précisément à l’adresse de celui qui a attrapé un virus… En l’occurrence, moi… Et ce virus, pas question de m’en débarrasser en me bourrant d’antibiotiques. Non seulement, les antibiotiques, ce n’est pas automatique, mais ce virus-là, j’en prends grand soin. Je l’entretiens, même… Ce virus, c’est l’étasunite ! Je l’ai contracté le jour où j’ai posé mes arpions chez l’oncle Sam pour la première fois, il y a une décennie de cela. Tout ça ne me rajeunit pas mais depuis ce fameux jour, lui et moi, nous ne nous sommes plus jamais quittés. Un proverbe dit à ce sujet que si tu vas aux Etats-Unis une fois, tu y reviendras un jour… Ben moi, depuis, j’y suis même retourné deux autres fois ! Et figure-toi que si tu lis ces quelques lignes, c’est que je m’apprête à y retourner pour une quatrième vadrouille !... Pour cette fois-ci, je vais accomplir un de mes rêves ! Me faire la route 66 sur mon Harley avec une belle brune accrochée à ma taille... Manque de bol, ma femme est blonde, je n'ai pas le permis moto et nous avons deux louloutes de quatre et sept ans… Va donc falloir que je revoie mes plans...
Bon, si tu es un lecteur assidu de nos précédentes vadrouilles, nous n’avons plus de secret pour toi, si bien que tu sais déjà que nous sommes quatre, juste un an de plus par rapport à la dernière fois… Il y a bien évidemment Sandrine, ma femme alias le portefeuille ; Sasha, notre petite globetrotteuse de quatre ans ; et Anna notre routarde de sept ans et plus toutes ses dents... Ah, et je m’oubliais ! Moi, Franck, la trentaine bien tassée, alias le conducteur, le tour opérateur, le narrateur, le cuisinier, le… Oui, je sais, moi aussi, j’aimerais bien déléguer… Ah, mais j’oublie encore quelqu’un !… Toi… Mais bon, sauf le respect que je te dois, tu ne seras une nouvelle fois que le spectateur du film que nous allons tourner et interpréter… D’ailleurs, quel en sera le titre ?... Et bien après réflexion, on a le choix entre « Voyage entre geysers et déserts », ou alors « Sous le soleil de Beverly Hills »… Pour ce coup-là, en espérant ne pas les vexer, on décide de poser un lapin à Brandon et Brenda… Car oui, c’est décidé, cette nouvelle édition sera composée d'indiens, de geysers, de trappeurs, de pionniers, de bisons, de chercheurs d'or, de hors-la-loi, de ranchs et de cowboys ! A nous les grands espaces… et les gros hamburgers !!! A nous l’ouest américain et ses films qui donnent tant envie : Délivrance, la colline a des yeux, Shining, The Descent, ...
Mais un voyage comme celui-là, ça se prépare un ‘tiot peu. Premièrement, il faut du blé, du flouze, du fric, du pognon, des pépettes, de la caillasse… Ben oui, ça coûte cher tout ça, donc à moins de faire comme le PSG et te faire subventionner par un investisseur qatari, il va falloir que tu en mettes de côté. Deuxièmement, il faut un minimum de travail de préparation. Et je commencerai mon histoire par un retour dans le passé, un bond dans le temps pour revenir pile poil au moment où Sandrine a enfin craqué sous mes coups de butoir et m’a donné son ô combien précieuse approbation… « Allez, ok, c’est bon, fais-toi plaisir ! » Sans avoir réellement conscience de la portée de ces quelques mots, elle venait de me signer un contrat de travail d’un an ! Car moi, ni une, ni deux, j'ai employé toute une équipe de lutins pour m'aider à préparer mon itinéraire. Lecture de carnets de voyage, questions sur des forums, épluchage de guides, visionnage de films, essorage d’internet, … Au final, je dois dire que je suis plus que satisfait de leur boulot ! Ce qui me permet non pas de faire un bilan puisqu'heureusement, le voyage n'est pas commencé, mais plutôt un petit compte-rendu chiffré de ce qui nous attend. Huit états à traverser ou à effleurer, plus de cinq mille kilomètres à parcourir, vingt jours pleins sur place, deux hôtels, quatorze campings différents, huit heures de décalage... Mes trois blondes vont-elles le supporter ? Optimiste que je suis, je mise sur un grand « Oui » ! D’ailleurs, pour les préparer, j’ai mis en place un programme intensif trois mois avant le départ : Marche autour de notre immense propriété, westerns tous les soirs, Coca et hamburgers à volonté à tous les repas !... Et oui, qui ménage sa monture voyage plus souvent !
Avant de tailler la route, je profite de cette intro pour publier une petite annonce à destination des cambrioleurs amateurs de textes de voyage : passez votre route, ma maison est équipée d’une alarme biométrique avec double varifocale et matrice de commutation. De plus, j’ai loué à un pote du neuf trois son gros pitbull pour l’occasion. Sans compter que pendant nos vacances, ma maison va être occupée par mes parents qui sont tous les deux experts en arts martiaux !... D’ailleurs, pourquoi je te raconte ces bobards alors que tu ne connais même pas mon adresse… C'est le 25, avenue des canaris à Triffouillis-sur-Retourne... Euh, merci de ne pas m’envoyer de carte postale à l'adresse ci-dessus... c'est une fausse !
Bon, chut, ça y est, c’est l’heure de l’évaluation… On va savoir si toute la famille est prête pour le grand départ : « Sandrine, donne-moi les huit états dans lesquels nous allons poser les pieds... - Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Dakota du sud, Montana, Idaho, Utah et... euh... mince, oh, je l’ai sur le bout de la langue… Ah oui, l’Arizona !!!… - Mouais… C’était moins une… Encore un peu et tu n’partais pas avec nous ! Et toi, Anna, cite-moi les quatre présidents sculptés sur le Mont Rushmore ? - Abram Licol, Tomasse Washington, George Jeffessonne et Theodore Rousevelle... - Ok, on va dire que c’est bon… Et toi, Sasha, dans quel pays allons-nous cet été ? - Les Jétajuniiiiis de l’Amérique de Mickey ! » Ok, c’est bon, elles sont fin prêtes ! Attention, départ imminent !
On the Silk Road: Chronicles of a Sixty-Something Traveling Completely Independently
From Beijing to Khiva: China, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan
Chronicle of anecdotes, highlights, and other adventures that marked this eight-week journey in 2018.
The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.
MENU PART 1: CHINA
1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)
1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.
No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.
Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.
More photos...
2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.
I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.
But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.
3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.
Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.
Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.
Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.
The Chinese Far West
4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.
Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.
Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...
5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.
This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.
Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.
I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!
Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.
This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.
The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...
6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.
However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.
The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.
Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...
7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.
To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.
Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.
Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...
Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.
The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...
8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.
Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...
Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...
Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...
9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.
- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...)
- Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside
- Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters
- Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages
- Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher)
- Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard
- Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge
- Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there
- Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...
With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...
10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.
Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.
After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.
Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...
11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.
Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.
Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...
With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.
What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.
What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.
As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.
And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!
PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.
More photos...
The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
The Chinese Far West More than 30 years after my first trip to eastern China, I finally fulfilled an old dream: traveling solo from Beijing to the far west, discovering Xinjiang, the Uyghur people and the oppression they endure, the oases of Turpan and Kashgar, the Taklamakan Desert, the end of the Great Wall... The route was covered by train.
MENU PART 1: CHINA
1- Beijing (Jiankou) : the authentic Great Wall, without tourists 2- Cycling in Beijing, the best way to get around 3- Beijing : departure for the far west 4- Jiayuguan : getting by without English 5- Jiayuguan : scams and heritage 6- Dunhuang : abundance in the middle of the desert 7- Turpan : the Uyghurs under heavy surveillance 8- Kashgar : love at first sight for the old city 9- Kashgar : China’s recipe for controlling the populace 10- Tashkurgan : what on earth was I thinking going there! Kyrgyz border: a surreal epic Photo album from the 80s, contributions from other travelers (page 2)
1- JIANKOU Finding the authentic Great Wall, without tourists or a guide Friday, August 24, 2018 Thirty years later, I didn’t feel like revisiting the Great Wall at Badaling or any other overcrowded site. I chose to explore it at Jiankou, in its wildest, most authentic, and unrestored section, starting from a lost village deep in a valley—though it wasn’t *that* lost, since it had everything for communication.
No need to pay for a taxi to get there—by timing it right, you can take the bus for just a few yuan. You have to get off at Xizhazi, the bus terminus. Be careful, there are only two buses a day in each direction. At the Xizhazi bus stop, I met a young couple who’d arrived with zero information about what to expect. We hiked the three of us toward the restored section of Mutianyu.
Still, be cautious With GPS and a topographic map (OpenTopoMap), you can set off without a problem or guide. The trail up to Jiankou is easy and well-marked. The trails down are too. But be careful—once you’re on the Wall, it’s real mountain hiking, with easy but dangerous climbing sections (over sheer drops). Not for amateurs or those afraid of heights! But what a reward. The Wall all to yourself, where it’s at its most daring. Truly mesmerizing.
More photos...
2- BEIJING The best way to get around the capital Sunday, August 26 The best way to explore the city is still by bike. Most are in a bike-share system, but you need to use an app—WeChat, the app that does everything, like monitoring your every move. No way I was installing that.
I found one at a rental shop near the hostel. The key is to quickly learn local traffic customs to minimize risks. Bike lanes are wide along the avenues.
But you still have to: - Watch out for anything parked on the bike paths—the most annoying are people napping or talking on the phone in their cars - Keep an eye on everything coming the wrong way—the list is long - The worst is right turns on red, which in Chinese traffic rules seem to have priority Once you get the hang of it, it’s fine. The city is huge but flat, so you can just wing it.
3- BEIJING By train to the far west Sunday, August 26 Beijing West Station is the size and operates like an airport. With your e-ticket from the agency, you first have to pick up your ticket at the special "English" counter, after passing through security. With your ticket in hand, you have to exit and enter through the boarding waiting area—not the platform—after a second security check.
Then you find the right hall and wait for the sign to finally access the platform. In the end, it works pretty well given the incredible number of passengers to manage. Everywhere in Beijing, I saw that the Chinese have mastered crowd flow management.Nice surprise: second-class carriages are clean, air-conditioned, and bright. Perfect, since I was in for 20 hours. One uniformed attendant per carriage, mobile meal service—luxury! Small downside: no luggage space. Hauling your suitcase up to the top bunk is quite a workout. I was in the middle, so it wasn’t too bad. The landscape, though, whether rural or urban, is pretty bleak. That should change once we leave the eastern plains.
Of course, I got my first police visit, with a thorough passport check and bag search. I was warned—going to the Chinese far west exposes you to this kind of hassle. But they were polite and respectful.
The Chinese Far West4- JIAYUGUAN Getting by without English Monday, August 27 At the gates of two deserts (Gobi and Taklamakan) and at the foot of the Tibetan highlands, the Great Wall ends at Jiayuguan. Here, I found the deeper China I’d somewhat rediscovered during my bike ride, even if now everyone gets around on electric bikes and I’m no longer stared at like an alien.
Prices are nothing like Beijing: you can find a full meal for 2 €, and my bike cost 7 € for two days. Plus, few people speak English—neither the owner of the HI hostel where I stayed, nor the ticket sellers at the sites, let alone the servers at the small eateries where I ate. Everything is written in Chinese. So I had to use the little Chinese I know to communicate about essentials. It makes the locals laugh to see a European trying to speak their language, but it earns respect. With Google Translate’s help, I managed.
Rant: With their avenues blocked for construction for kilometers without warning, and new roads not yet on maps, I must’ve taken 15 km of detours. More photos...
5- JIAYUGUAN Scams and heritage Tuesday, August 28 The Great Wall doesn’t exactly end at the fort I visited yesterday but 10 km further, at the entrance to a river gorge at the foot of the mountains. All that’s left is a badly damaged tower (more like a mound of earth) and a section of clay wall, similar to the one I biked yesterday.
This morning, I hopped on my bike, determined to venture into the desert to see this highly symbolic site. First, you access it via a wide, brand-new road with not a soul in sight. Just before the site, I came across a grand welcome gate, very period-style, but it’s actually the inevitable toll booth.
Behind the gate, the road continues straight to the site, which you can see in the distance—at least 2 km away—the remains of the tower and wall. I had to leave my bike here. Fine. I went to the ticket counter and asked the price: 120 yuan! I couldn’t believe it—over 15 € for a simple mound of earth.
I showed my displeasure to the attendant, who couldn’t care less, and immediately turned back. 120 yuan—that’s the price for a new road, a fancy gate planted 2 km before the site just to force you to take a shuttle, and employees with nothing to do all day... Now I understand why I didn’t meet anyone!
Heritage China is a bit pricey Generally, sites are expensive for the country’s standard of living, but travelers are supposed to have money, so why hold back? I even gave up on the Forbidden City—reservations required days in advance (or on the black market at an impossible price). I prefer to keep the memory of my first visit, when entry must’ve cost a few dozen cents, and there were only a handful of visitors.
This morning, I took a taxi to see remarkable tombs of common people from the 3rd to 6th centuries. They’re small vaulted caves made of painted bricks, depicting scenes of daily life. Very pretty and moving. But even here, though the price was more reasonable, I was left wanting—only one of the 16 tombs is open to visitors, and it’s apparently not the most beautiful.
The authentic China—at least what’s left of it... Wandering the impersonal avenues of the city, you stumble upon a market. There, you still find traditional China—small shops with questionable hygiene, Go players, musicians, and even a dental prosthetist. The last refuge for those untouched by modernity. More photos...
6- DUNHUANG Abundance in the middle of the desert Wednesday, August 29 Well, I thought the landscape would be less bleak as I headed west. Nope. The only distraction in this expanse of dark, clayey sand is the forests of pylons and wind turbines, plus wild camels racing each other.
However, Dunhuang, the gateway to the Taklamakan, is by far the most pleasant Chinese city I know. There’s a real city center you can explore on foot. It’s hot but not unbearable, with a light, dry breeze. Much nicer than Beijing. The Han Chinese are still the majority, but the Muslim Uyghurs are more numerous, and the muezzin’s call to prayer echoes around the mosque.The most surprising thing is the abundance and diversity of fruits and vegetables. You wonder how it all grows here. Well-irrigated, the desert sands are very fertile. Here, raisins have subtle, mysterious flavors, and the lamb really tastes like lamb.
Today, I visited the must-see Mingshashan, a dune complex next to which Pila is a molehill. The Basque Country, but covered in sand... More photos...
7- TURPAN The Uyghurs under heavy surveillance Friday, August 31 Surveillance cameras everywhere in the city, armed police stationed at intersections, in front of public buildings, at the entrance and inside tourist sites, police stations on every corner, patrols on foot or by car, khaki uniforms even for middle schoolers... here, the Han Chinese are in the minority, and you can feel it. Turpan feels like a city under siege.
To enter the youth hostel where I stayed, there’s even a security gate, and the receptionist (a Han, like everyone in tourism) wears a bulletproof vest! Reassuring. Still, you don’t feel particularly threatened here, especially as a European. The troublemakers are the Chinese, not the Uyghurs. Generally, China is a very safe country for visitors.
Smile, you’re on camera! I was biking on an avenue when the car in front of me got flashed for driving slowly. I quickly understood why when I got flashed too.
Here, the official time is Beijing time, but it gets dark two hours later. It’ll be even worse in Kashgar. Trickier to manage: everything is displayed in Chinese and Arabic. Nothing in English. Choosing a menu is a shot in the dark. Apart from a few young Chinese, no one here speaks English, and my Chinese doesn’t seem very understandable...
Mogao, the end of the road for the Han Yesterday, near Dunhuang, I went to Mogao, a complex of decorated caves with Buddha sculptures and paintings. Stunning, but so crowded! Luckily, here in Turpan, Chinese tourists barely venture out. So I visited a Silk Road ghost town with only a handful of other visitors and under a howling wind.
The modern Chinese city is swallowing up the old Uyghur neighborhoods—only a museum-like district remains in the center, and pockets of resistance on the outskirts are doomed to disappear soon. More photos...
8- KASHGAR A (relative) love at first sight for the old city Sunday, September 2 After three overnight trains, here I am in the far west of China, nearly 4,000 km from the capital. Despite the omnipresent police and an old city preserved UNESCO-style, Kashgar is my Chinese love at first sight.
Finally, Chinese... well, sort of, because we’re in Uyghur territory here—a Turkic people with nothing culturally in common with the Han, the eastern Chinese. It started badly yesterday at Turfan station, where after three security gate passes, at least five passport checks, and a bag search, three adorable policewomen confiscated my antibacterial lotion because it had a flammable logo...
Then came the welcoming committee of armed cops at Kashgar station. Once all that was over, they left me alone—except you still have to go through security checks like everyone else to enter the old city, the bazaar, the livestock market... The further west you go, the more the siege mentality is evident. Luckily, the border isn’t far...
Despite the inevitable destruction-reconstruction, the city center has been well preserved. Thankfully, because it’s a very original style, a mix of local and colonial. I love it, even if it’s a bit too artificial, sanitized, and watered-down, and rather empty of residents. On the Silk Road, the city was famous for its great food. And it still is—rarely have I seen such richness and abundance of food! And not just scorpions or snakes. More photos...
9- KASHGAR China’s recipe for controlling the populace Saturday, September 1 Xinjiang, along with Tibet, is a "sensitive" area of rebellion in the eyes of Chinese authorities. As a result, the state has these regions and their populations under total control. Tourists also feel the consequences, even if they’re not at risk of re-education camps.
- Putting barbed wire and anti-ramming barriers around sensitive sites (schools, big hotels, government buildings...)
- Installing traffic surveillance gates with cameras and photo flashes (for all vehicles passing, including bikes) throughout the city and even in the countryside
- Posting uniformed guards with tasers, batons, or huge baseball bats every 100 meters
- Training the Han population (ethnic Chinese) in self-defense with sticks, preferably in the morning on the street. Men and women of all ages
- Starting school with the national anthem, doing military exercises, and receiving political indoctrination, all neatly lined up in the courtyard. (The dream school for any teacher)
- Placing a snitch in uniform (a pseudo-guard) in public gathering places, like youth hostels. Mine spends the day loafing around the courtyard
- Putting Chinese flags everywhere on the streets to remind everyone who’s in charge
- Installing security gates at every entrance to areas frequented by tourists (thanks for that) but not just there
- Never photographing cops, or else! I tried, but it’s not easy...With all that, you can stroll around safely Not much crime! As for the amount the Chinese state spends to maintain such a system, it’s staggering! A third of the Han living in Xinjiang work in security. Today, I wandered freely around old Kashgar, which is quite large after all. More photos...
10- TASHKURGAN What on earth was I thinking going there! Wednesday, September 5 First, there’s the taxi—pretty crappy, with a driver who doesn’t speak a word of English and won’t stop smoking. Over six hours in that... shared with a completely out-of-it American.
Then there are all the checkpoints along the way. I won’t go on—you know the drill by now.
After that, there’s Tashkurgan—a town with nothing to see, nothing to do. Deserted as soon as night falls. There’s this huge youth hostel and a few lost Chinese tapping away on their smartphones, chain-smoking. This lost American-European crowd, swapping tips on how to enter Pakistan or Tajikistan.
Luckily, there’s the Chinese Pamir Highway, lined with peaks over 7,000m. There’s the feeling of no longer being in China, with a population whose features are Middle Eastern. And these Tajik women with their stunning hairstyles and vibrant costumes. There’s the fact of having reached the westernmost Chinese city, far from crowds and tourist sites. A sort of end of the world. More photos...
11- KYRGYZ BORDER A surreal epic Thursday, September 6 The road from Kashgar to the Kyrgyzstan border is a little over 200 km and passes through beautiful landscapes of colorful, desert-like mountains with acrobatic folds. That’s the bucolic part of the trip.
Yesterday, I managed to gather four people to rent a minibus to reach the border more easily: a Spaniard and an Argentine I’d already met in Turpan, and two New Zealanders who responded to the ad left at the hostel.Absurdity and paranoia of Chinese authorities The highlight was crossing the town of Wuqia, 50 km past Kashgar. After tallying up with my fellow sufferers, we must’ve passed about ten checkpoints with: - Passport checks: 14 times, sometimes by two cops side by side - Bag checks: 4 times - Smartphone checks: 2 times, with deletion of "non-compliant" photos, and registration of your IMEI in the exit log!... Absurd and surreal at the same time, since my camera stayed in my bag, my apps are in French, and my photos have been online for ages...
With all that, we arrived just as the last checkpoint before the no man’s land marking the border between the two countries was on lunch break. And bam! Another 1.5-hour wait, alongside truckers who were much more used to this than we were.
What to think? The cops themselves aren’t fooled. They play the role they’re asked to, but sometimes you can coax a smile out of them—they realize how ridiculous the situation is.
What’s the point? That’s the big question my companions and I were tempted to answer with "to piss people off." To show you your place isn’t here, but with the other tourists, over there in the east, in Shanghai, Xi’an, or Guangzhou.
As for you, a traveler from a democratic country, you really experience this as aggression, humiliation, a violation of your private space. And yet, I’m respected, they speak to me properly. Today, I better understand what a Palestinian or a citizen of an occupied country might feel daily. A unique experience! Thanks, China.
And to top it off, the cherry on the cake! It’s still this glowing button you press to rate your passage after clearing the last obstacle before the exit stamp. I was so surprised it turned off before I could react. The Spaniard, with great humor and irony, had time to vote "excellent." In the end, he wasn’t wrong—you can hardly do better!
PS: I ditched my buddies at the border. They didn’t want to pay for a taxi to continue. So I took a direct taxi to Osh. The first 100 km are fabulous. I couldn’t take many photos, but I’ll be back on Monday to go to Tajikistan.
More photos...
The rest of the Silk Road, Part 2, in these travel journals: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan.
Le camping-car en Namibie c'est bien
bonjour,
juste un petit post et retour d'expérience sur la possibilité de voyager en camping car en Namibie. Lors de la préparation de notre voyage je n'avais rien trouvé de satisfaisant sur ce forum. Dire donc: oui c'est possible ! Et avec des enfants cela est même souhaitable. Parcourir la Namibie cela implique de rouler, souvent longtemps, plus longtemps que prévu vu l'état des routes, la beauté des paysages et la recherche des animaux sauvages. L'espace a disposition dans le camping car est alors le bienvenu. Par ailleurs la hauteur, le nombre de fenêtres sont des atouts bien appréciés lors de la visite du parc Etosha mais aussi en d'autres circonstances. Reste les inconvénients : la poussière qui s'infiltre dans le véhicule ( prévoir de grands sacs poubelles pour enfermer vos affaires) et oblige a un ménage complet a chaque étape(problème que rencontrent aussi les 4x4) et les vibrations qui vous font parfois croire que le véhicule va se fendre en deux... Nous avons vécu deux crevaisons et un ensablement. J'en profite pour signaler que nous avons reçu alors l'aide précieuse d'un sud africain voyageant avec son propre véhicule et connaissant le terrain qui a su nous sortir de là. Les autres touristes équipés de 4x4 flambant neuf étaient bien en peine pour nous aider, s'agaçant plutôt que nous obstruions le passage, les retardant sur leurs parcours et programme bien huilé... Certes les 4x4 roulent plus vite...Mais a quoi bon...
juste un petit post et retour d'expérience sur la possibilité de voyager en camping car en Namibie. Lors de la préparation de notre voyage je n'avais rien trouvé de satisfaisant sur ce forum. Dire donc: oui c'est possible ! Et avec des enfants cela est même souhaitable. Parcourir la Namibie cela implique de rouler, souvent longtemps, plus longtemps que prévu vu l'état des routes, la beauté des paysages et la recherche des animaux sauvages. L'espace a disposition dans le camping car est alors le bienvenu. Par ailleurs la hauteur, le nombre de fenêtres sont des atouts bien appréciés lors de la visite du parc Etosha mais aussi en d'autres circonstances. Reste les inconvénients : la poussière qui s'infiltre dans le véhicule ( prévoir de grands sacs poubelles pour enfermer vos affaires) et oblige a un ménage complet a chaque étape(problème que rencontrent aussi les 4x4) et les vibrations qui vous font parfois croire que le véhicule va se fendre en deux... Nous avons vécu deux crevaisons et un ensablement. J'en profite pour signaler que nous avons reçu alors l'aide précieuse d'un sud africain voyageant avec son propre véhicule et connaissant le terrain qui a su nous sortir de là. Les autres touristes équipés de 4x4 flambant neuf étaient bien en peine pour nous aider, s'agaçant plutôt que nous obstruions le passage, les retardant sur leurs parcours et programme bien huilé... Certes les 4x4 roulent plus vite...Mais a quoi bon...
Sécurité des touristes en Jordanie et au Moyen-Orient
J'ai planifié un voyage en Jordanie en mai 2020 pour 7 jours. Je suis inquiète de la sécurité des touristes en Jordanie et au moyen-orient et la couverture journalistique au Québec est très mauvaise pour ce coin du monde. Il est conseillé sur le site officiel du gouvernement canadien, de ne pas ce rendre en Jordanie si cela n'est pas nécessaire étant donné qu'il y a des risques d'attentats terroristes et d'enlèvements d'étrangers.
Est ce qu'il y a quelqu'un qui revient dernièrement d'un voyage en Jordanie ou qui habite dans ce pays peut m'éclairer quant au climat actuel et la sécurité des touristes en Jordanie?
Merci pour vos informations.
Sylvie
Est ce qu'il y a quelqu'un qui revient dernièrement d'un voyage en Jordanie ou qui habite dans ce pays peut m'éclairer quant au climat actuel et la sécurité des touristes en Jordanie?
Merci pour vos informations.
Sylvie
Bolivia: Exploring the South Lipez by Self-Drive
Hi everyone,
The idea of traveling to Bolivia came to me after seeing Jean-François (Max68)’s photos on his website. I thought we *had* to see those stunning landscapes with the colorful lagoons for ourselves. But a self-drive trip didn’t seem doable at first. A few years ago, everyone advised against going to the South Lipez with just one car.
Laguna Kara
It was only after reading Laurent (Lolobe) and Pascal (Pepe874)’s travel journals—who explored the South Lipez solo with a car from Biz Rent a Car—that I thought we might be able to do the same. Meanwhile, we’d already contacted a local agency to organize a trip with a driver and guide. But the idea of a self-drive adventure really appealed to us. With encouragement and tips from Thierry (Tbernay) and Jean-François (Max68), we decided to plan our own self-drive trip. I’d like to thank them for their advice—it was *super* helpful. And a big thanks to all the other forum members for the info shared during our prep!
Laguna Colorada
Planning this trip happened during a tough time for our family. My mother-in-law’s illness and passing, plus a few health issues of my own, made us doubt the trip multiple times and nearly scrap the whole thing.
We booked our international flights in February with Swiss. They offered the best balance of travel time and price from Switzerland. Swiss operates Zurich–São Paulo with their own fleet, and São Paulo–Santa Cruz with GOL. In June, GOL canceled the Saturday flight and rebooked us on Sunday. Spending over 24 hours in that huge Brazilian city didn’t work for us at all, so we asked Swiss to put us on the next Zurich–São Paulo flight. Too bad—we lost a day in Bolivia and had to skip the Tarabucco market on Sunday.
Right after, we also booked the car in February. After contacting Imbex and Biz, we went with Biz. Not speaking Spanish, we were relieved to communicate with Alejandra in French. The contact was great—she answered all our questions patiently. Sometimes it took a few days to get a reply, but we could also reach her on WhatsApp. After our trip, we can *only* recommend Biz for rentals in Bolivia. The cars are well-prepped for the South Lipez tracks. The agency is reliable, and the vehicles are new and well-maintained.
“Our” car, a Toyota Hilux
While planning, we realized the presidential elections would happen while we were in Bolivia. The risk of *bloqueos* (roadblocks and protests) was very real. But in Bolivia, *bloqueos* seem common—you always have to account for that kind of hassle. In late August/early September, Uyuni and the Salar region were blocked for days, leading to food, fuel, and cash shortages. Worried about a blockade in Uyuni and missing the Salar, we decided to visit it first *just in case*.
On election day, the whole country shut down. Planes were grounded, buses and taxis couldn’t circulate, and private cars were banned. There were a few exceptions—ambulances, police, or certain professions—but as tourists, we couldn’t get permission to drive. We asked the embassy, and Biz even requested a permit from the electoral office. So we had to plan to be somewhere with things to do *without* the car.
We decided not to book any accommodations in advance—a first for us. Usually, we plan our stops and reserve lodges, hotels, or campgrounds well ahead. This time, only the room in Sucre was booked, so we’d have a base when we arrived.
In July, Alex (Delhenry) reached out to propose joining part of the trip. He didn’t realize we were leaving in October. Still, we got fresh updates when he returned from the South Lipez. Thanks, Alex—your tips, especially about the Guadalupe–Tupiza stretch, were *super* useful.
In September, we connected with Jean-Louis (Avx) and Anne (Xeta), who were also heading to Bolivia in October, one and two weeks after us. We had dinner with Jean-Louis and his friend after our South Lipez trip and stayed in touch with Anne. It was great to chat with them! Unfortunately, Anne and her husband had a much rockier trip—they got hit hard by post-election issues.
Climbing Volcán Tunupa
Our itinerary wasn’t set in stone—we decided to wing it on the spot. Two weeks before departure, I reconnected with Alejandra at Biz to move the car rental up by a day. With the elections, we wanted to leave Sucre ASAP and focus on the South Lipez. Outside Uyuni and Tupiza, the risk of blockades was zero. We also planned a two-night buffer in Sucre before our flights, just in case. It might sound overcautious, but in hindsight, we made the right call. If we’d left Sucre a day later, we wouldn’t have made it to Potosí—it was completely blocked. On the way back, we *just* dodged blockades in Potosí and elsewhere. Sometimes, you’ve gotta trust your gut.
Here’s our route—only the first two nights in Sucre were booked ahead:
D1 Departure from Switzerland
D2 Sucre (La Selenita)
D3 Sucre (La Selenita)
D4 Colchani (Hotel de Sal Luna Salada)
D5 Jirira (Auberge Doña Lupe)
D6 On the Salar (in the car)
D7 A few kilometers from Estancia Catal (in the car)
D8 Laguna Hedionda (Hotel Los Flamencos)
D9 Laguna Colorada (Lodge by the lagoon)
D10 Middle of nowhere, en route Laguna Verde–Mina Horsu–Quetena Chico (in the car)
D11 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)
D12 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)
D13 Guadalupe (Guest room at Celia’s)
D14 Along the Rio Grande (in the car)
D15 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)
D16 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)
D17 Sucre (La Selenita)
D18 Sucre (La Selenita)
D19 Santa Cruz (Hotel Sun)
D20 Departure from Santa Cruz
D21 Arrival in Switzerland
As you can see, we spent 13 nights in the South Lipez. Initially, we’d planned for nine, but Jean-François (Max68) suggested staying longer. Great advice—we didn’t regret it one bit. We could’ve even added 2–3 more days without getting bored.
Self-driving in the South Lipez takes some prep and a good GPS. We kept it simple and used maps.me to navigate. It’s a solid app—just save your waypoints ahead of time. For some stretches, I used Google Earth to visualize the tracks and sites. If you stick to the tour operator routes, you *almost* can’t get lost. But we often veered off the beaten path and took different routes. Some days, we didn’t see another car. So in case of a breakdown, it’s key to have water and food for several days. In some spots, there’s *zero* signal—your phone won’t work. Another must: it gets *cold* in the South Lipez, and a good sleeping bag is essential. We brought down sleeping bags rated for -10°C and didn’t regret it during our car nights.
The Dalí Desert
Some tracks are *super* rocky—flat tires are a real risk. On those stretches, maps.me’s estimated travel time was way off. Some sections barely let us go over 15 km/h.
Lots of forum members recommend doing the South Lipez “loop” from Tupiza to Uyuni—ending with the Salar—to avoid Uyuni’s crowds. That might work for organized tours, but for self-drive, the direction *doesn’t* matter. I’ll say this: the few vehicles we saw mostly came from Tupiza and Chile, not Uyuni. So if starting from Uyuni works better for you, go for it! Ending in Tupiza means heading toward warmer weather. For our planned stops and climbs, starting in Uyuni helped with acclimatization. Spending a few nights between 3,600–3,800 m before going over 4,000 m is a smart move.
Uyuni Salt Flats in the morning
Overall, we barely saw anyone—except at Laguna Hedionda and Chalviri. There were several tour groups at Hotel Los Flamencos (Laguna Hedionda), but we didn’t cross paths during the day. Hardly anyone on the Salar, on the roads, or at the lodges in the evenings. The *only* place that shocked us was Chalviri. We’d planned to stay there, but it was fully booked—and we counted *forty* tour jeeps on-site. This was around noon! At the Polques hot springs (Chalviri), it was *packed*—we quickly nixed the idea of a dip. Plus, the vibe wasn’t great: soaking right by the road with lodges and restaurants in the background? Meh. Still, lots of tourists love it, so it’s up to you.
For the photos, I kept the colors and mood we saw. The lagoons’ hues are often stunning, but some online photos are *way* over-edited and oversaturated. The South Lipez’s landscapes are breathtaking—no need for excessive retouching.
If you don’t want to read all the details, the start of the travel journal is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9888761;a=9888761
The idea of traveling to Bolivia came to me after seeing Jean-François (Max68)’s photos on his website. I thought we *had* to see those stunning landscapes with the colorful lagoons for ourselves. But a self-drive trip didn’t seem doable at first. A few years ago, everyone advised against going to the South Lipez with just one car.
Laguna KaraIt was only after reading Laurent (Lolobe) and Pascal (Pepe874)’s travel journals—who explored the South Lipez solo with a car from Biz Rent a Car—that I thought we might be able to do the same. Meanwhile, we’d already contacted a local agency to organize a trip with a driver and guide. But the idea of a self-drive adventure really appealed to us. With encouragement and tips from Thierry (Tbernay) and Jean-François (Max68), we decided to plan our own self-drive trip. I’d like to thank them for their advice—it was *super* helpful. And a big thanks to all the other forum members for the info shared during our prep!
Laguna ColoradaPlanning this trip happened during a tough time for our family. My mother-in-law’s illness and passing, plus a few health issues of my own, made us doubt the trip multiple times and nearly scrap the whole thing.
We booked our international flights in February with Swiss. They offered the best balance of travel time and price from Switzerland. Swiss operates Zurich–São Paulo with their own fleet, and São Paulo–Santa Cruz with GOL. In June, GOL canceled the Saturday flight and rebooked us on Sunday. Spending over 24 hours in that huge Brazilian city didn’t work for us at all, so we asked Swiss to put us on the next Zurich–São Paulo flight. Too bad—we lost a day in Bolivia and had to skip the Tarabucco market on Sunday.
Right after, we also booked the car in February. After contacting Imbex and Biz, we went with Biz. Not speaking Spanish, we were relieved to communicate with Alejandra in French. The contact was great—she answered all our questions patiently. Sometimes it took a few days to get a reply, but we could also reach her on WhatsApp. After our trip, we can *only* recommend Biz for rentals in Bolivia. The cars are well-prepped for the South Lipez tracks. The agency is reliable, and the vehicles are new and well-maintained.
“Our” car, a Toyota HiluxWhile planning, we realized the presidential elections would happen while we were in Bolivia. The risk of *bloqueos* (roadblocks and protests) was very real. But in Bolivia, *bloqueos* seem common—you always have to account for that kind of hassle. In late August/early September, Uyuni and the Salar region were blocked for days, leading to food, fuel, and cash shortages. Worried about a blockade in Uyuni and missing the Salar, we decided to visit it first *just in case*.
On election day, the whole country shut down. Planes were grounded, buses and taxis couldn’t circulate, and private cars were banned. There were a few exceptions—ambulances, police, or certain professions—but as tourists, we couldn’t get permission to drive. We asked the embassy, and Biz even requested a permit from the electoral office. So we had to plan to be somewhere with things to do *without* the car.
We decided not to book any accommodations in advance—a first for us. Usually, we plan our stops and reserve lodges, hotels, or campgrounds well ahead. This time, only the room in Sucre was booked, so we’d have a base when we arrived.
In July, Alex (Delhenry) reached out to propose joining part of the trip. He didn’t realize we were leaving in October. Still, we got fresh updates when he returned from the South Lipez. Thanks, Alex—your tips, especially about the Guadalupe–Tupiza stretch, were *super* useful.
In September, we connected with Jean-Louis (Avx) and Anne (Xeta), who were also heading to Bolivia in October, one and two weeks after us. We had dinner with Jean-Louis and his friend after our South Lipez trip and stayed in touch with Anne. It was great to chat with them! Unfortunately, Anne and her husband had a much rockier trip—they got hit hard by post-election issues.
Climbing Volcán TunupaOur itinerary wasn’t set in stone—we decided to wing it on the spot. Two weeks before departure, I reconnected with Alejandra at Biz to move the car rental up by a day. With the elections, we wanted to leave Sucre ASAP and focus on the South Lipez. Outside Uyuni and Tupiza, the risk of blockades was zero. We also planned a two-night buffer in Sucre before our flights, just in case. It might sound overcautious, but in hindsight, we made the right call. If we’d left Sucre a day later, we wouldn’t have made it to Potosí—it was completely blocked. On the way back, we *just* dodged blockades in Potosí and elsewhere. Sometimes, you’ve gotta trust your gut.
Here’s our route—only the first two nights in Sucre were booked ahead:
D1 Departure from Switzerland
D2 Sucre (La Selenita)
D3 Sucre (La Selenita)
D4 Colchani (Hotel de Sal Luna Salada)
D5 Jirira (Auberge Doña Lupe)
D6 On the Salar (in the car)
D7 A few kilometers from Estancia Catal (in the car)
D8 Laguna Hedionda (Hotel Los Flamencos)
D9 Laguna Colorada (Lodge by the lagoon)
D10 Middle of nowhere, en route Laguna Verde–Mina Horsu–Quetena Chico (in the car)
D11 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)
D12 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)
D13 Guadalupe (Guest room at Celia’s)
D14 Along the Rio Grande (in the car)
D15 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)
D16 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)
D17 Sucre (La Selenita)
D18 Sucre (La Selenita)
D19 Santa Cruz (Hotel Sun)
D20 Departure from Santa Cruz
D21 Arrival in Switzerland
As you can see, we spent 13 nights in the South Lipez. Initially, we’d planned for nine, but Jean-François (Max68) suggested staying longer. Great advice—we didn’t regret it one bit. We could’ve even added 2–3 more days without getting bored.
Self-driving in the South Lipez takes some prep and a good GPS. We kept it simple and used maps.me to navigate. It’s a solid app—just save your waypoints ahead of time. For some stretches, I used Google Earth to visualize the tracks and sites. If you stick to the tour operator routes, you *almost* can’t get lost. But we often veered off the beaten path and took different routes. Some days, we didn’t see another car. So in case of a breakdown, it’s key to have water and food for several days. In some spots, there’s *zero* signal—your phone won’t work. Another must: it gets *cold* in the South Lipez, and a good sleeping bag is essential. We brought down sleeping bags rated for -10°C and didn’t regret it during our car nights.
The Dalí DesertSome tracks are *super* rocky—flat tires are a real risk. On those stretches, maps.me’s estimated travel time was way off. Some sections barely let us go over 15 km/h.
Lots of forum members recommend doing the South Lipez “loop” from Tupiza to Uyuni—ending with the Salar—to avoid Uyuni’s crowds. That might work for organized tours, but for self-drive, the direction *doesn’t* matter. I’ll say this: the few vehicles we saw mostly came from Tupiza and Chile, not Uyuni. So if starting from Uyuni works better for you, go for it! Ending in Tupiza means heading toward warmer weather. For our planned stops and climbs, starting in Uyuni helped with acclimatization. Spending a few nights between 3,600–3,800 m before going over 4,000 m is a smart move.
Uyuni Salt Flats in the morningOverall, we barely saw anyone—except at Laguna Hedionda and Chalviri. There were several tour groups at Hotel Los Flamencos (Laguna Hedionda), but we didn’t cross paths during the day. Hardly anyone on the Salar, on the roads, or at the lodges in the evenings. The *only* place that shocked us was Chalviri. We’d planned to stay there, but it was fully booked—and we counted *forty* tour jeeps on-site. This was around noon! At the Polques hot springs (Chalviri), it was *packed*—we quickly nixed the idea of a dip. Plus, the vibe wasn’t great: soaking right by the road with lodges and restaurants in the background? Meh. Still, lots of tourists love it, so it’s up to you.
For the photos, I kept the colors and mood we saw. The lagoons’ hues are often stunning, but some online photos are *way* over-edited and oversaturated. The South Lipez’s landscapes are breathtaking—no need for excessive retouching.
If you don’t want to read all the details, the start of the travel journal is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9888761;a=9888761
L'importance des voyages pour vous
Bonjour
Nous sommes bien sûr tous des voyageurs et c'est ce qui nous rassemble ici.
Mais nous avons tous une vision différente du voyage et n'y accordons pas la même importance.
Quelle place accordez vous au voyage dans votre vie ?
Est ce un loisir comme un autre ? Une passion ? Un vrai besoin ? Pouvez vous vous en passer facilement ?
Nous sommes bien sûr tous des voyageurs et c'est ce qui nous rassemble ici.
Mais nous avons tous une vision différente du voyage et n'y accordons pas la même importance.
Quelle place accordez vous au voyage dans votre vie ?
Est ce un loisir comme un autre ? Une passion ? Un vrai besoin ? Pouvez vous vous en passer facilement ?
