Air France: assurance...vous ratez votre vol
by Heliès
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
J' ai loupé mon vol Air France à Athènes suite à une grève générale "surprise" (nous avions encore vérifié la veille...) dans toute la Grèce. Nous sommes arrivés à l' aéroport Vénizelos avec 4 heures de retard ayant réussi à prendre un ferry à la place de l' avion... Refus d' AF de nous recaler sur un autre vol ! Motif : AF a assuré tous ses vols. Olympic par-contre nous remboursé le vol interne sur Athènes. Le rachat de nouveaux billets pour Paris et la province plus les frais causés par les conséquenses se sont élevés à 1500 euros...Contact avec avocat à notre retout en France. Innattacable, c' est perdu d' avance ! Ne nous parlez plus de grève et de grèvistes, ce sont des moeurs de voyoux. Maintenant parlons Compagnies : si nous avions choisi Olympic pour le global nous aurions été acheminé SANS FRAIS SUPPLEMENTAIRES sur Paris, car notre billet retour Olympic démarre en vol interne puis Athènes-Paris, nous n' aurions perdu que notre correspondance Paris-Province. Résultat : depuis nous voyageons 100% Olympic et plus du tout Air France ! Nous sommes très inquiet de savoir qu' AF-KLM risque de racheter Olympic...Renseignements pris en France, aucune compagnie d' assurance ne couvre les retards dûs aux grèves ou aux cas de force majeure. Avez vous un autre écho ?
Bonjour Herve,
tout d'abord permettez-moi de vous souhaiter une excellente annee 2008 !
Je suis navre d'apprendre votre mesaventure, mais ne comprends absolument pas pourquoi vous vous en prenez a AF...
AF a respecte sa part du contrat et a assure tous ses vols en depit des greves. Vous ne vous etes pas presente a l'enregistrement, c'est donc vous qui etes en tort, independemment des raisons qui ont provoque ce no-show et qui ne sont pas de la responsabilite d'AF.
D'apres ce que j'ai pu comprendre en vous lisant, le pre-acheminement et le vol Athenes- Paris ont ete faits sur des reservations differentes aupres de AF et d'Olympic independemment, AF n'a par consequent rien a voir avec tout cela.
Vous le reconnaissez sportivement en disant que si vous aviez tout achete chez Olympic, ils auraient ete responsables de votre prise en charge, ce qui est vrai si la greve est de leur fait.
Votre coup de gueule est donc totalement inutile (si ce n'est pour le plaisir de raler et de vous defouler 😉) et hors-sujet. D'autre part, je ne vois pas le rapport avec votre inquietude sur un eventuel rachat d'Olympic par AF...
Regardez au niveau des assurances de votre carte de paiement si vous avez achete vos billets avec ou eventuellement aupres de l'agence de voyage si vous etes passes par un agent. Dans tous les cas, c'est aupres la compagnie operant la portion vol interieur et concernant uniquement ce vol que vous pourrez esperer un quelconque dedommagement.
Les 1.500 euros payes a AF sont definitivement irrecuperables.
AF n'assurait pas de vol en codeshare sur la portion domestique pour que vous ayez du acheter separement sur Olympic ?
Cordialement, vinnyc
tout d'abord permettez-moi de vous souhaiter une excellente annee 2008 !
Je suis navre d'apprendre votre mesaventure, mais ne comprends absolument pas pourquoi vous vous en prenez a AF...
AF a respecte sa part du contrat et a assure tous ses vols en depit des greves. Vous ne vous etes pas presente a l'enregistrement, c'est donc vous qui etes en tort, independemment des raisons qui ont provoque ce no-show et qui ne sont pas de la responsabilite d'AF.
D'apres ce que j'ai pu comprendre en vous lisant, le pre-acheminement et le vol Athenes- Paris ont ete faits sur des reservations differentes aupres de AF et d'Olympic independemment, AF n'a par consequent rien a voir avec tout cela.
Vous le reconnaissez sportivement en disant que si vous aviez tout achete chez Olympic, ils auraient ete responsables de votre prise en charge, ce qui est vrai si la greve est de leur fait.
Votre coup de gueule est donc totalement inutile (si ce n'est pour le plaisir de raler et de vous defouler 😉) et hors-sujet. D'autre part, je ne vois pas le rapport avec votre inquietude sur un eventuel rachat d'Olympic par AF...
Regardez au niveau des assurances de votre carte de paiement si vous avez achete vos billets avec ou eventuellement aupres de l'agence de voyage si vous etes passes par un agent. Dans tous les cas, c'est aupres la compagnie operant la portion vol interieur et concernant uniquement ce vol que vous pourrez esperer un quelconque dedommagement.
Les 1.500 euros payes a AF sont definitivement irrecuperables.
AF n'assurait pas de vol en codeshare sur la portion domestique pour que vous ayez du acheter separement sur Olympic ?
Cordialement, vinnyc
"Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas" (l'Écclésiaste)
Il m'est arrivé, dans le passé, d'avoir un seul dossier de vol pour un billet combiné Air France et Olympic pour Santorin (sans code-share), acheté auprès d'une agence de voyages. En cas d'annulation du vol retour au départ de Santorin, Air France aurait assumé ses responsabilités car il s'agissait d'un dossier de vol unique.
Bonjour Jouy31 et excellente annee a toi !
Es-tu sur de ce que tu avances ? Si probleme il y a, je pense qu'il s'agit de l'agence de voyage a laquelle tu dois retourner tes reclamations. On ne s'adresse a la compagnie operatrice du vol que pour les cas de retard ou d'annulation il me semble.
Le fait d'avoir differents vols bookes sous un meme PNR ne me semble pas, a mon humble avis, une condition suffisante pour que l'une des compagnies endosse la responsabilite pour toute defaillance de la part -ou non- de n'importe laquelle des compagnies en amont de la portion qu'elle opere.
Ce serait trop facile etant donne le nombre de vols au sein d'une meme reservation sur des compagnies souvent d'alliances differentes et/ou autres cocktails de vols possibles que seuls des agents de voyage peuvent concocter. C'est la responsabilite de l'agent de voyage qui a cree/edite le PNR (sur son GDS et sous son immatriculation) qui est engagee dans ce cas la, les compagnies operant alors les vols, uniquement reponsables au regard des questions de retards/indemnites/bagages/subooking etc...
Tout ceci en revanche devient vrai si le PNR a ete cree par Air France en tant que compagnie aerienne/agent de voyage et que les vols ont tous un code AF (meme celui opere par Olympic).
vinnyc
Es-tu sur de ce que tu avances ? Si probleme il y a, je pense qu'il s'agit de l'agence de voyage a laquelle tu dois retourner tes reclamations. On ne s'adresse a la compagnie operatrice du vol que pour les cas de retard ou d'annulation il me semble.
Le fait d'avoir differents vols bookes sous un meme PNR ne me semble pas, a mon humble avis, une condition suffisante pour que l'une des compagnies endosse la responsabilite pour toute defaillance de la part -ou non- de n'importe laquelle des compagnies en amont de la portion qu'elle opere.
Ce serait trop facile etant donne le nombre de vols au sein d'une meme reservation sur des compagnies souvent d'alliances differentes et/ou autres cocktails de vols possibles que seuls des agents de voyage peuvent concocter. C'est la responsabilite de l'agent de voyage qui a cree/edite le PNR (sur son GDS et sous son immatriculation) qui est engagee dans ce cas la, les compagnies operant alors les vols, uniquement reponsables au regard des questions de retards/indemnites/bagages/subooking etc...
Tout ceci en revanche devient vrai si le PNR a ete cree par Air France en tant que compagnie aerienne/agent de voyage et que les vols ont tous un code AF (meme celui opere par Olympic).
vinnyc
"Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas" (l'Écclésiaste)
J'avoue que j'avais posé la question à l'agence de voyages et qu'ils m'avaient répondu qu'en cas de problème, je serais mis sans problème sur le vol Athènes-Paris suivant, mais sans me préciser s'il s'agissait de leur responsabilité ou de celle d'Air France. J'avais eu un problème de correspondance similaire sur un dossier de vol Air France/Aegean sur Heraklion, mais comme le billet était complètement flexible, la question ne se posait pas vraiment.
Merci pour tes bons voeux et une excellente année 2008 à toi !
Merci pour tes bons voeux et une excellente année 2008 à toi !
Résultat : depuis nous voyageons 100% Olympic et plus du tout Air France ! Nous sommes très inquiet de savoir qu' AF-KLM risque de racheter Olympic...
Absolument pas! AF n'est pas en négociation pour racheter Olympic et n'a pas l'intention de la racheter dans le court et moyen terme. De plus, je ne vois pas de quoi il faut être inquiet. Au moins, si AF rachetait Olympic, celle-ci ne coulerait pas..
Résultat : depuis nous voyageons 100% Olympic et plus du tout Air France !
Et quand Olympic déposera le bilan, laissea sur le carreau des milliers de passagers avec ton billet d"avion qui ne vaudra plus rien, je doute que tu dise encore cela!
Absolument pas! AF n'est pas en négociation pour racheter Olympic et n'a pas l'intention de la racheter dans le court et moyen terme. De plus, je ne vois pas de quoi il faut être inquiet. Au moins, si AF rachetait Olympic, celle-ci ne coulerait pas..
Résultat : depuis nous voyageons 100% Olympic et plus du tout Air France !
Et quand Olympic déposera le bilan, laissea sur le carreau des milliers de passagers avec ton billet d"avion qui ne vaudra plus rien, je doute que tu dise encore cela!
La guerre salit tous ceux qui la font: au fil des mois et des années, j'ai vu les deux bords verser dans le mal, j'ai vu le mal affronté le mal, et le bien, ce qu'il y'a de bon dans l'humain, devenir la victime des deux.
Je comprends bien que ton égo Franco-Air-Français soit déstabilisé par mon analyse aussi je rajouterai une petite couche en cette période de voeux : il serait souhaitable que ta compagnie Air-France demande à ses équipages (lignes internationnales) plus de "gentillesse" et de "simplicité" en prenant exemple sur Olympic en remplacement de la "suffisance-condescendante" des hotesses Françaises. La bonne gestion d' une entreprise n' autorisant pas un tel comportement même d' un Top Model !
Bonjour et aussi bonne année 2008,
Une grève surprise générale avait bloqué tous les aéroports de Grèce. Nous avons donc pris un ferry pour rejoindre Athènes. Le lendemain plus de grève, mais avec le retard nous ratons notre vol Air-France pour Paris. Effectivement AF a assuré son vol comme les autres compagnies. Olympic nous a remboursé notre billet intérieur mais pas AF et nous avons été contraint d' en racheté un nouveau au tarif fort. Si nous avions pris à l' origine un ticket 100% Olympic pour Paris (pas de vol intérieur Air France sur les îles en Grèce) nous n' aurions pas été pénalisé comme ce fut le cas mais reclassé sur le vol Olympic suivant, et cela est vérifiable. Aucune compagnie d' assurance ne couvre les retards dûs aux grèves, les assurances de cartes de paiement non plus ( même Master-Card ou American Express) vous pouvez en demander la confirmation. Nous avions acheté nos billets dans une agence (traditionnelle) de voyage Française mais pas d' assurance en cas de grève... Cet incident aurait exactement les mêmes conséquenses aujourd' hui, vous le vérifiez vous même, et c' est pour cette raison que maintenant nous conseillons de prendre à 100% OLYMPIC, même si la compagnie est dans le rouge financièrement, elle a le mérite d' être proche des ses clients et pour moi c' est primordial (1500 euros de perdus...çà aide à réfléchir !) Hervé
Une grève surprise générale avait bloqué tous les aéroports de Grèce. Nous avons donc pris un ferry pour rejoindre Athènes. Le lendemain plus de grève, mais avec le retard nous ratons notre vol Air-France pour Paris. Effectivement AF a assuré son vol comme les autres compagnies. Olympic nous a remboursé notre billet intérieur mais pas AF et nous avons été contraint d' en racheté un nouveau au tarif fort. Si nous avions pris à l' origine un ticket 100% Olympic pour Paris (pas de vol intérieur Air France sur les îles en Grèce) nous n' aurions pas été pénalisé comme ce fut le cas mais reclassé sur le vol Olympic suivant, et cela est vérifiable. Aucune compagnie d' assurance ne couvre les retards dûs aux grèves, les assurances de cartes de paiement non plus ( même Master-Card ou American Express) vous pouvez en demander la confirmation. Nous avions acheté nos billets dans une agence (traditionnelle) de voyage Française mais pas d' assurance en cas de grève... Cet incident aurait exactement les mêmes conséquenses aujourd' hui, vous le vérifiez vous même, et c' est pour cette raison que maintenant nous conseillons de prendre à 100% OLYMPIC, même si la compagnie est dans le rouge financièrement, elle a le mérite d' être proche des ses clients et pour moi c' est primordial (1500 euros de perdus...çà aide à réfléchir !) Hervé
Pffff! Oh oh, j'adore, les gens qui tout de suite, se braque en me sortant un tas de chose sur mon égo de français, etc! Comme je dis souvent, on ne me connait pas alors comment peux tu me parler de mon égo de français??
il serait souhaitable que ta compagnie Air-France
Air France n'est absolument pas ma compagnie! Je n'ai aucun rapport direct, puisque je n'y travaille pas et personne dans ma famille proche non plus... Donc désolé, et ce n'est pas parce que je suis français que c'est Ma compagnie, non, c'est une compagnie française!
plus de "gentillesse" et de "simplicité" en prenant exemple sur Olympic en remplacement de la "suffisance-condescendante" des hotesses Françaises. La bonne gestion d' une entreprise n' autorisant pas un tel comportement même d' un Top Model !
Je n'ai jamais dit le contraire et puis ce n'est pas réellement le sujet! Si tu ne veux plus prendre AF à cause de son service, il n'y a aucun problème, c'est ton choix! Mais dans le message precédent fallait preciser, que vu le niveau de service offert et vu la péripetie, tu ne prend plus AF et je n'aurais rien dit! Sincèrement, il en faut pour tous les gouts et oui, le niveau de service d'AF est parfois rude, j'ai pu le connaître une fois sur un FDF-ORY..
il serait souhaitable que ta compagnie Air-France
Air France n'est absolument pas ma compagnie! Je n'ai aucun rapport direct, puisque je n'y travaille pas et personne dans ma famille proche non plus... Donc désolé, et ce n'est pas parce que je suis français que c'est Ma compagnie, non, c'est une compagnie française!
plus de "gentillesse" et de "simplicité" en prenant exemple sur Olympic en remplacement de la "suffisance-condescendante" des hotesses Françaises. La bonne gestion d' une entreprise n' autorisant pas un tel comportement même d' un Top Model !
Je n'ai jamais dit le contraire et puis ce n'est pas réellement le sujet! Si tu ne veux plus prendre AF à cause de son service, il n'y a aucun problème, c'est ton choix! Mais dans le message precédent fallait preciser, que vu le niveau de service offert et vu la péripetie, tu ne prend plus AF et je n'aurais rien dit! Sincèrement, il en faut pour tous les gouts et oui, le niveau de service d'AF est parfois rude, j'ai pu le connaître une fois sur un FDF-ORY..
La guerre salit tous ceux qui la font: au fil des mois et des années, j'ai vu les deux bords verser dans le mal, j'ai vu le mal affronté le mal, et le bien, ce qu'il y'a de bon dans l'humain, devenir la victime des deux.
Bonjour Rains,
J' ai dit ce qui c' est réellement passé je n' y peux rien. Polémiquer ne m' intéresse pas et je crois que çà n' apportera rien de constructif. J' ai fait part de cette expérience pour les autres, chacun fait ce qu' il veut. Amicalement Hervé
Bonjour Herve,
le probleme est que dans ton message (a chaud j'imagine), tu melanges vraiment tout et l'on ne sait pas vraiment quel est le but ou le pourquoi de ton attaque sur AF.
Si tu deplores le mauvais traitement du personnel d'AF et que tu trouves que le personnel d'Olympic est plus chaleureux, fine for me, c'est ton choix en tant que passager/consommateur que de choisir la compagnie qui repond le plus a tes attentes et je suis tres content pour toi.
Maintenant, tu mets bout a bout des choses qui n'ont absolument rien a voir et ton discours semble assez decousu dans la mesure ou l'on ne comprend pas tes attentes, tes reclamations et tes griefs ni a quoi ils se rapportent.
Je tiens a preciser que, pas plus que Rains je ne travaille chez Air France, mais ils n'ont vraiment, de leur cote, rien a se reprocher. Tu ne t'es pas presente a l'enregistrement, tu t'es fait zapper du vol, et prendre un vol au dernier moment a l'aeroport, c'est le plein tarif... je sais que ca fait tres bobo au porte-monnaie, mais c'est comme ca.
Tu condamnes simultanement : les grevistes qui t'ont fait arriver en retard, AF qui n'a pas voulu etre gentille avec toi et t'a vendu un billet plein pot, AF encore car leur personnel est arrogant, hautain, pas aimable, les compagnies d'assurance qui ne prennent pas la greve dans leurs clauses de sinistre, mais tu es quand meme lucide sur le fait que tu aurais ete pris en charge si ca avait ete un billet emis sur un meme PNR de bout en bout et tu es content qu'Olympic t'ait rembourse la portion sur laquelle ils etaient responsables. Enfin, tu te laches encore sur AF en supputant un hypothetique rachat d'Olympic par AF... bref... je suis peut-etre un peu trop analytique mais je me perds un peu dans ton argumentation.
On va dire que je ne me suis toujours pas remis de la cuite de la Saint-Sylvestre 😎 !
En tout cas, Rains n'y est pour rien, et tu l'attaques assz injustement...
Tout ceci ne m'empeche pas de compatir au sentiment d'injustice et de revolte que tu as du ressentir, et c'est tout a fait legitime. Mais raisonne a froid !
See ya' vinnyc
J' ai dit ce qui c' est réellement passé je n' y peux rien. Polémiquer ne m' intéresse pas et je crois que çà n' apportera rien de constructif. J' ai fait part de cette expérience pour les autres, chacun fait ce qu' il veut. Amicalement Hervé
Bonjour Herve,
le probleme est que dans ton message (a chaud j'imagine), tu melanges vraiment tout et l'on ne sait pas vraiment quel est le but ou le pourquoi de ton attaque sur AF.
Si tu deplores le mauvais traitement du personnel d'AF et que tu trouves que le personnel d'Olympic est plus chaleureux, fine for me, c'est ton choix en tant que passager/consommateur que de choisir la compagnie qui repond le plus a tes attentes et je suis tres content pour toi.
Maintenant, tu mets bout a bout des choses qui n'ont absolument rien a voir et ton discours semble assez decousu dans la mesure ou l'on ne comprend pas tes attentes, tes reclamations et tes griefs ni a quoi ils se rapportent.
Je tiens a preciser que, pas plus que Rains je ne travaille chez Air France, mais ils n'ont vraiment, de leur cote, rien a se reprocher. Tu ne t'es pas presente a l'enregistrement, tu t'es fait zapper du vol, et prendre un vol au dernier moment a l'aeroport, c'est le plein tarif... je sais que ca fait tres bobo au porte-monnaie, mais c'est comme ca.
Tu condamnes simultanement : les grevistes qui t'ont fait arriver en retard, AF qui n'a pas voulu etre gentille avec toi et t'a vendu un billet plein pot, AF encore car leur personnel est arrogant, hautain, pas aimable, les compagnies d'assurance qui ne prennent pas la greve dans leurs clauses de sinistre, mais tu es quand meme lucide sur le fait que tu aurais ete pris en charge si ca avait ete un billet emis sur un meme PNR de bout en bout et tu es content qu'Olympic t'ait rembourse la portion sur laquelle ils etaient responsables. Enfin, tu te laches encore sur AF en supputant un hypothetique rachat d'Olympic par AF... bref... je suis peut-etre un peu trop analytique mais je me perds un peu dans ton argumentation.
On va dire que je ne me suis toujours pas remis de la cuite de la Saint-Sylvestre 😎 !
En tout cas, Rains n'y est pour rien, et tu l'attaques assz injustement...
Tout ceci ne m'empeche pas de compatir au sentiment d'injustice et de revolte que tu as du ressentir, et c'est tout a fait legitime. Mais raisonne a froid !
See ya' vinnyc
"Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas" (l'Écclésiaste)
Bonjour Vinic,
Comme Rains tu polémiques pour polémiquer. Ca ne m' intéresse pas à chaud où à froid. Les forums sont plein de polémiqueurs mais fort peu d' acteur. Hervé
Bonsoir Herve,
Tu es vraiment gonfle de me traiter de polemiqueur alors que nous avons ete plus que courtois dans nos reponses.
Ton accusation est d'ailleurs facile quand on ne sait pas quoi retorquer d'autre et que l'on se conforte dans une argumentation sterile qui n'a ni queue ni tete en guise d'excuse.
Je te souhaite donc d'excellents voyages dans le futur sur tes compagnies de predilection.
vinnyc et pas vinic
Comme Rains tu polémiques pour polémiquer. Ca ne m' intéresse pas à chaud où à froid. Les forums sont plein de polémiqueurs mais fort peu d' acteur. Hervé
Bonsoir Herve,
Tu es vraiment gonfle de me traiter de polemiqueur alors que nous avons ete plus que courtois dans nos reponses.
Ton accusation est d'ailleurs facile quand on ne sait pas quoi retorquer d'autre et que l'on se conforte dans une argumentation sterile qui n'a ni queue ni tete en guise d'excuse.
Je te souhaite donc d'excellents voyages dans le futur sur tes compagnies de predilection.
vinnyc et pas vinic
"Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas" (l'Écclésiaste)
Pour ma part, j'ai pris le partie de rester sage car ce genre de commentaires de la part de Helise (dsl) est vraiment sans fondement! On lui apporte toutes les explcations de manière courtoise et il s'emballe dans des discours qui n'ont n'y queue ni tête! D'ailleurs, 'avais rien compris à son message...
Vaut mieux laisser tomber et personne ne l'aidera, puisque c'est ce qu'il recherche... Il a du mal a accepter la ccritique, je lui souhaite un bon vol.
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
Mais que voulez vous prouver à essayer de contredire tout ce que j' avance, phrase après phrase, mot après mot...?
Ce que j' ai expliqué depuis le début sont des faits réels qui peuvent se renouveler dès demain sans mon avis ni le votre.
De nous 3, je suis le seul a en avoir supporté les conséquenses très désagréables, ce qui m' autorise à informer les autres.
Maintenant chacun fait comme il veut, mais personne ne pourra dire "je ne savais pas".
Hervé.
Hervé.
Donc si on a le même problème on vient te voir?
Sérieusement, si tu relis ton post, personnellement, je n'y avais rien compris...
Ensuite, ton pb, je pense que tu n'as pas été le seul à le subir, mais avec autant de véhémence que toi, je sais pas s'ils sont aussi nombreux sur ce forum.
Bref, je déplore ce que tu as subi, mais par prudence, tu devrais analyser et ne pas porter de jugement hatif en la matière. Pour preuve, les messages des autres VFistes...
Ton soucis ne vient pas d'Olympic, ni d'AF, il vient simplement de toi pour avoir pris des vols séparés.
Ou alors, autre solution, il m'est arrivé un peu la même chose mais pas de soucis de vol raté. Lorsque tu as deux vols qui doivent s'enchainer mais qui ne sont pas sur le même dossier, renseigne toi avant d'arriver à l'aéroport et demande à savoir si tu pourras faire l'enregistrement de tes bagages pour tout le parcours (vol 1 + vol 2). Essai de te le faire confirmer par l'aéroport et les deux compagnies qui vont faire le vol. Ensuite, ayant noté le nom de la personne qui t'aura donné son engagement, lorsque tu feras le check-in, tu indiques au chargé de clientèle qui va faire le check-in du vol 1 de t'enregistrer sur le vol 2, avec les bagages. S'il refuse en disant que ce sont deux billets différents, dit lui le nom de la personne que tu as eu au téléphone, et il te le fera (il prendra sans doute le soin de la contacter)!
J'ai eu le cas pour un Valence-Paris effectué par Air Europa et puis un Paris-Toulouse effectué par AF, sachant que c'était un billet UX, et que UX n'était pas encore membre de skyteam a part entière...
A partir du moment ou la connexion est possible sur les grands aéroports entre les compagnies (membres d'une alliance ou accords de partage de code sur les lignes, tu pourras le faire).
Du coup, si tu rates ton deuxième vol, "tant donné que tu étais déjà enregistré sur ce vol, tu seras pris en charge puisque le contrat d'AF avait commencé, tu évites le no-show puisque tu t'es bien présenté pour embarquer.
Voilà, je sais pas si t'as tout suivi, mais bon, c'est ma solution à moi que j'ai déjà mis en pratique...
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
Pour l'exemple que j'ai vécu et que je t'ai cité, c'es exactement pareil, il n'existe pas de compagnie aérienne qui fasse Valence (espagne) Toulouse en direct, donc, deux vols, deux compagnies, et dans mon cas, deux billets dd'avion différents... Je vois pas où est le problème!!!
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
Cet incident aurait exactement les mêmes conséquenses aujourd' hui, vous le vérifiez vous même, et c' est pour cette raison que maintenant nous conseillons de prendre à 100% OLYMPIC, même si la compagnie est dans le rouge financièrement, elle a le mérite d' être proche des ses clients et pour moi c' est primordial (1500 euros de perdus...çà aide à réfléchir !) Hervé
Tu as raison : il vaut mieux prendre une seule compagnie sur un seul billet de bout en bout !!! Les correspondances sur deux billets différents avec différentes compagnies ne sont pas garanties !!!
Pour le restes, n'attaques pas Air France sur tout...
Ils ont appliqué strictement les regles...
Quand au service au client... c'est un tout autre débat !! Mais il ne faut pas exagérer non plus... Ils ne sont pas si affreux chez AF... ce ne sont pas des gardiens de prison non plus et Air France n'a pas la réputation d'etre une compagnie "disciplinaire"
Tu as raison : il vaut mieux prendre une seule compagnie sur un seul billet de bout en bout !!! Les correspondances sur deux billets différents avec différentes compagnies ne sont pas garanties !!!
Pour le restes, n'attaques pas Air France sur tout...
Ils ont appliqué strictement les regles...
Quand au service au client... c'est un tout autre débat !! Mais il ne faut pas exagérer non plus... Ils ne sont pas si affreux chez AF... ce ne sont pas des gardiens de prison non plus et Air France n'a pas la réputation d'etre une compagnie "disciplinaire"
Le problème vient toujours des petits aéroports (plus vulnérables aux conditions météo)rarement des gros car super équipés. Résultat ton billet vol intérieur à l' étranger donc petits aéroports (ex:Olympic) met en péril ton billet grande ligne vers la France (ex:Air-France Athènes-Paris) ce qui m' est arrivé, sauf si tu prends un billet Vol intérieur plus Vol vers la France dans la même compagnie (100%Olympic). Un retard du premier vol entrainera un reclassement du second vol car même compagnie ce qui ne peut être possible sur Air France parce qu' AF ne fait pas les vols intérieurs en Grèce et les problèmes des autres ne sont pas les siens bien qu' étant sur le sol Grec...CQFD...C' est pas très clair en apparence mais à 1500 euros on apprend très vite...
Je crois que le problème vient de toi!
Tu ne peux malheureusement pas comprendre ce qu'on te dit, c'est-à-dire que si tu as deux billets d'avion différents, alors oui, on se retrouvera dans ton cas, si on a un problème sur le premier vol qui nous fait rater le deuxième. Par contre, si tu n'as qu'un seul billet, mais avec éventuellement plusieurs compagnies, tu seras pris en charge!
Mais visiblement, il faudra longtemps te l'expliquer pour que tu comprennes vite!
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
J' ai très bien compris, mais je me tue à t' expliquer que ces 2 compagnies refusent à être fondues en un billet unique parce que : vol intérieur Français (uniquement AF) vol internationnal sur Athènes (AF ou Olympic) vol interieur en Grèce (uniquement Olympic)
Demandes le à ton agence et tu verras.
Hervé.
Hervé.
J' ai très bien compris, mais je me tue à t' expliquer que ces 2 compagnies refusent à être fondues en un billet unique parce que : vol intérieur Français (uniquement AF) vol internationnal sur Athènes (AF ou Olympic) vol interieur en Grèce (uniquement Olympic)
Demandes le à ton agence et tu verras.
Du grand n'importe quoi !!! en plus vue l'imprecision de tes propos !!!! va sur le comparateur de ce site et tu sauras http://voyageforum.com/billets_avion/
Du grand n'importe quoi !!! en plus vue l'imprecision de tes propos !!!! va sur le comparateur de ce site et tu sauras http://voyageforum.com/billets_avion/
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
c'est quoi ton parcours? de quelle ville tu pars en france, ou tu arrives en grèce??
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
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Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
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I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
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Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
Hello,
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
Hello,
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
Hi there!
Has anyone taken the direct flight from CDG to Las Vegas with Air France?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Hey everyone,
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
Hi there,
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric







