Carte American Express Platinum Air France - KLM gratuite
by Chris635
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Detenteur d'un Amex AF Gold pour laquelle je ne paye plus de cotisation, j'essaye en vain d'obtenir la platinum gratuite.
quelq'un pourrait t il me donner des pistes ?
J'ai deja essaye ne debut de semaine et l'on m'a repondu pas de reduction sur la cotisation de 490E
Merci
Cette carte donne bien plus qu'un accès aux salons, c'est la raison pour laquelle elle a un coût relativement élevé.
Je pense notamment au service de concierge 24/7... N'oubliez pas que c'est une carte de paiement American Express avant d'être une carte AF.
Bonjour,
Je viens de recevoir l'invitation pour cette nouvelle carte. Après contact avec un conseiller, celui-ci m'a dit que la cotisation était immédiate, pas de première année gratuite donc.
Je trouve la cotisation un peu chère pour les services rendus, dommage.
Je vais rester sur la Gold AF/KLM dont la cotisation ne me coute rien depuis 4 ans du fait du seuil de dépenses annuel.
Je viens de recevoir l'invitation pour cette nouvelle carte. Après contact avec un conseiller, celui-ci m'a dit que la cotisation était immédiate, pas de première année gratuite donc.
Je trouve la cotisation un peu chère pour les services rendus, dommage.
Je vais rester sur la Gold AF/KLM dont la cotisation ne me coute rien depuis 4 ans du fait du seuil de dépenses annuel.
RAF
...j'ajoute que pour 30€ de plus, la Platinum classique offre de sérieux avantages en plus comme le PriorityPass.
Les miles statut, on peut s'en passer non ?
Les miles statut, on peut s'en passer non ?
La proposition est arrivee ds la boite aux lettres.
J'espere qu'a 490E personne ne la prendra et je recevrai un propal a 0E ..... => je resiste pour le moment ( facile vs 490E .... )
Ils n arretent pas de me contacter je tiens bon pas question de payer 490E = q q d'autres a t il recu des relances sur cette carte ?
Merci
J'ai aussi reçu la proposition à 490€ l'année, mais pas de relance.
Si ce n'est la proposition d'une nouvelle assurance à je ne sais plus quel prix par mois que j'ai naturellement refusé.
Voyager, c'est ma devise...
Bonsoir,
Qui pourrait m'indiquer le seuil de dépenses pour bénéficier de la gratuité de l'Amex AF Gold ?
Merci.
Qui pourrait m'indiquer le seuil de dépenses pour bénéficier de la gratuité de l'Amex AF Gold ?
Merci.
Il n'est pas question de "moyens" ici mais plutôt de rapport qualité/prix.
C'est d'ailleurs exactement l'inverse de l'attitude de celui qui veut "se la péter" et qui l'achètera à n'importe quel prix s'il pense que cela peut lui donner un "statut".
Les questions qui ont été posées sur le forum ont été : "qu'apporte-t-elle par rapport à la Gold?" (réponse : quelques miles en plus, pas d'accès aux salons d'aéroports) et "au tarif de 490€, est-ce rentable?", la réponse a été : seulement pour les très, très, très grands voyageurs, et je doute qu'Amex lance une carte juste pour trois pelés un tondu.
Donc, de deux choses l'une, soit il va y avoir suffisamment de gens "qui se la pètent" et qui vont l'acheter pour avoir l'impression de briller, auquel cas American Express pourra rentabiliser son produit; soit elle sera boudée par ces gens-là, auquel cas il faudra qu'ils revoient leur produit.
Et pour revoir le produit, je ne vois que trois pistes :
- une suppression pure et simple;
- un accès aux salons d'aéroport (sachant que s'il s'agit du fameux Priority Pass, ce n'est pas le Pérou, à Paris en particulier on n'accède qu'à deux salons, l'un à Orly Sud, le second à Roissy... terminal 1);
- une réduction du prix et/ou la gratuité pour les personnes atteignant un plancher de dépenses annuelles.
C'est cette dernière option qui est discutée ici, parce qu'elle intéresserait des personnes qui dépensent largement plus que les 20.000€ annuels théoriquement requis pour la gratuité de la carte Gold, et que le léger avantage qu'elle procure (des miles en plus), s'il ne leur coûte rien, leur plairait bien, mais qu'ils ne paieraient certainement pas 490€ pour cela, pas plus qu'au supermarché ils ne paieraient 10€ une vieille laitue fanée, quelle que soit leur situation de fortune.
Je ne vois pas trop pourquoi une carte bancaire donnerait droit à un accès aux salons... c'est le rôle de la carte Flying blue à mon sens...
En revanche, le bonus de miles devrait être effectivement supérieur. Chez les non partenaires, 10 euros dépensés donnent 12 miles, soit moins de différence qu'entre une Amex Silver et une Gold avec lesquelles on passe de 6 à 10 miles pour 10 euros.
Pour le reste, il y a aussi le "coupe-file" pour certains restos, le surclassement en voiture de location (sans intérêt à mon avis, puisqu'on se retrouve en général avec un diesel quand on visait une petite à essence...) et le fait de pouvoir rendre une voiture à un autre endroit de celui où on l'a prise sans supplément de prix...
La gratuité au dessus des 20 000 euros annuels ? Ben ça concernerait à mon avis tous ceux qui jugent nécessaire d'avoir une Plati, donc je ne vois pas trop l'intérêt d'Amex qui est quand même aussi, au passage, de gagner du blé, non ?
En revanche, le bonus de miles devrait être effectivement supérieur. Chez les non partenaires, 10 euros dépensés donnent 12 miles, soit moins de différence qu'entre une Amex Silver et une Gold avec lesquelles on passe de 6 à 10 miles pour 10 euros.
Pour le reste, il y a aussi le "coupe-file" pour certains restos, le surclassement en voiture de location (sans intérêt à mon avis, puisqu'on se retrouve en général avec un diesel quand on visait une petite à essence...) et le fait de pouvoir rendre une voiture à un autre endroit de celui où on l'a prise sans supplément de prix...
La gratuité au dessus des 20 000 euros annuels ? Ben ça concernerait à mon avis tous ceux qui jugent nécessaire d'avoir une Plati, donc je ne vois pas trop l'intérêt d'Amex qui est quand même aussi, au passage, de gagner du blé, non ?
Vu les commissions qu'Amex prend sur les commerçants, je ne m'inquiète pas quant aux gains que pourrait leur rapporter un porteur d'une Amex Plat' dépensant plus de xK€/an.
Perso, je suis très content d'avoir la Gold Amex, c'est aussi elle qui me permet de conserver ma Gold Flying Blue les années où je ne bouge pas assez en avion pour la conserver. Elle m'assure à elle seule la Silver, le complément étant réalisé par mes trajets en avion.
Or la Gold Flying Blue donne des avantages non négligeables. Rien d'exceptionnel certes, mais cela facilite quand même pas mal de choses : en tête de liste en cas de surbooking, accès aux salons, j'enregistre où je veux, coupe-file pour la douane -en silver aussi je crois pour ça-, bagages plus lourds autorisés, et bonus de miles supplémentaire bien sûr...
Or la Gold Flying Blue donne des avantages non négligeables. Rien d'exceptionnel certes, mais cela facilite quand même pas mal de choses : en tête de liste en cas de surbooking, accès aux salons, j'enregistre où je veux, coupe-file pour la douane -en silver aussi je crois pour ça-, bagages plus lourds autorisés, et bonus de miles supplémentaire bien sûr...
Parfaitement d'accord sur les avantages indéniables pour le porteur (encore qu'il y ait eu récemment un raté chez des collègues de mon mari, une facture mensuelle prélevée en double, avec poursuites et tout et tout sans possibilité de s'expliquer, et pas d'excuses après), le défaut est pour les commerçants à qui on impose une commission énorme par rapport à celle que prend Visa, par exemple.
Oui je sais... Mais franchement, les commerçants, heu... je m'en fout un eu, ils sont vraiment toujours à se plaindre. Ils devraient aussi comprendre que l'Amex fait partie d'un service qu'ils offrent à leurs clients ; dans mon quartier, je vais plus volontiers dans les restos qui prennent l'Amex, tant qu'à faire, je me dis que ça fait toujours quelques miles en plus... ça peut donc aussi leur rapporter des clients...
il est vrai que la comission est nettement supérieure à CB/Visa/Master mais rien n'oblige les commerçantsà accepter AMEX ... de nombreux commerçants l'ont bien compris !
Je rejoins kujila.
Par ex, ici en Finlande j'ai le choix au sein d'un meme centre commercial entre 2 supermarchés (de taille et produits identique) et bien je vais sytématiquement dans celui qui accepte amex et ne me rend jamais dans l'autre qui ne l'accepte pas.
Faut m'expliquer aussi pourquoi en France: Leclerc, Carrefour et Casino l'accepte mais Auchan la refuse?
Par ex, ici en Finlande j'ai le choix au sein d'un meme centre commercial entre 2 supermarchés (de taille et produits identique) et bien je vais sytématiquement dans celui qui accepte amex et ne me rend jamais dans l'autre qui ne l'accepte pas.
Faut m'expliquer aussi pourquoi en France: Leclerc, Carrefour et Casino l'accepte mais Auchan la refuse?
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parcequ' Auchan pense que le bénéfice est inférieur au cout ! Est ce que la PDM gagnée grâce à l'acceptation de l'AMEX compense la comission bancaire plus importante et le risque que des clients réguliers utlisent l'amex au lieu de la CB ? Ils doivent penser que non.
Après ça dépend aussi de la taille de certaines enseignes et de leur situation : à Paris, tous les Monoprix prennent l'Amex... mais pas forcément en proche banlieue. Et seuls certains Franprix la prennent.
Il y a aussi une grosse différence entre Paris et la province : à Paris, j'utilise très, très souvent mon Amex. En province, les restos et magasins qui la prennent sont vraiment rares.
Il y a aussi une grosse différence entre Paris et la province : à Paris, j'utilise très, très souvent mon Amex. En province, les restos et magasins qui la prennent sont vraiment rares.
Pas trop envie de "se la peter", juste envie d'optimiser mes gains de miles FB avec mon AMEX & de profiter des autres avantages au meilleur rapport benefices/couts.
Par ailleurs le desir d'avoir plus pour moins cher est-il vraiment criticable ? ( surtout lorsque l'on parle de 500E pour un moyen de paiment que l'on a aujopurd'hui a 0 ) => je n'ai pas honte et je continue a l'afficher !
Par ailleurs le desir d'avoir plus pour moins cher est-il vraiment criticable ? ( surtout lorsque l'on parle de 500E pour un moyen de paiment que l'on a aujopurd'hui a 0 ) => je n'ai pas honte et je continue a l'afficher !
Amex facture aux commerçants une commission de 5% du montant des achats, contre 1 ou 2% pour les autres cartes.
Dans les faits, la cotisation pour la carte est un pourboire. Le plus gros bénéfice pour Amex provient de cette commission.
Bonjour, dans mon cas 2,95% par transaction pour amex sachant que je suis un tout petit client pour eux ... alors que CB/Visa/Master c'est de l'ordre de 0,3% par transaction avec un volume mensuel beaucoup plus important
Il ne s'agit pas d'une spécificité par pays. La commission est fixée par l'émetteur. Elle est de 5% pour l'Amex AF-KLM (et en général pour les cartes Amex émises en France) et indolore pour le client. C'est le commerçant qui la paie.
Votre réponse implique je raconte n'importe quoi ... en France il n'y a pas de différences de commissions pour les différents modèles d'Amex émises en France, pour l'étranger je ne sais pas - j'ai vérifié mon relevé SEC avant de répondre et ma commission prélevé par AMEX sur TOUTES transactions est de 2,95% !
De plus, je suppose que les commissions payées par la FNAC vu son volume de transactions n'est surement pas la même que moi ! D'oû tenez vous vos 5% ?
De plus, je suppose que les commissions payées par la FNAC vu son volume de transactions n'est surement pas la même que moi ! D'oû tenez vous vos 5% ?
autre exemple ... Paypal accepte depuis quelque temps en France les Amex et selon la tarification suivante :
Paiements reçus pour des achats (par mois ) - Frais par transaction €0,00 EUR - €2 500,00 EUR 3,4% + €0,25 EUR €2 500,01 EUR - €10 000,00 EUR 2,0% + €0,25 EUR €10 000,01 EUR - €50 000,00 EUR 1,8% + €0,25 EUR €50 000,01 EUR - €100 000,00 EUR1,6% + €0,25 EUR > €100 000,00 EUR1,4% + €0,25 EUR
Je doute fort que Paypal soit déficitaire sur les approvisionnemets Amex ...
Paiements reçus pour des achats (par mois ) - Frais par transaction €0,00 EUR - €2 500,00 EUR 3,4% + €0,25 EUR €2 500,01 EUR - €10 000,00 EUR 2,0% + €0,25 EUR €10 000,01 EUR - €50 000,00 EUR 1,8% + €0,25 EUR €50 000,01 EUR - €100 000,00 EUR1,6% + €0,25 EUR > €100 000,00 EUR1,4% + €0,25 EUR
Je doute fort que Paypal soit déficitaire sur les approvisionnemets Amex ...
Si la commission AMEX était aussi basse que pour la la CB/VISA il est certain que beaucoup plus de commerces en France l'accepteraient ! une fois un restaurateur m'a parlé de véritable racket et d'un service commercial bien radin et intraitable qu'il avait failli mettre à la porte le réprésentant peu enclin à discuter ...
Je suppose que sur les E.U ou autres pays anglosaxons où l'on peut payer sa canette de coca et sa french baguette avec Amex dans des petite épiceries la commission AMEX ne doit pas être aussi élevée que sur la France ce qui explique que les commerces l'acceptent tous à 99% ce qui est loin d'être le cas en France....
En Italie, par exemple, où tous les commerces, y compris les tous petits, acceptent l'Amex;
Amex a été la première carte de paiement créée au monde et l'Italie a été la tête de pont du débarquement anglo-canadien-américain en Europe pendant la deuxième guerre mondiale en 1943.
Ceci explique, peut-être, cela.
Bonjour,
J'ai arpenté en long et en large les conditions générales de la carte Amex Gold et je n'ai pas trouvé l'article qui précise que la cotisation est gratuite si on effectue des dépenses supérieures à 20.000 € par an. Est-ce automatique ou doit-on faire une "demande"?
Merci pour vos réponses.
J'ai arpenté en long et en large les conditions générales de la carte Amex Gold et je n'ai pas trouvé l'article qui précise que la cotisation est gratuite si on effectue des dépenses supérieures à 20.000 € par an. Est-ce automatique ou doit-on faire une "demande"?
Merci pour vos réponses.
"Je ne dis pas que c'est pas injuste, je dis que ça soulage"
Michel Audiard - Les Tontons Flingueurs
Tu n'aurais pas du t'arrêter en si bon chemin! Car visiblement le forum tu l'as pas parcouru de long en large 😎
Sinon tu aurais vu que le sujet à été de nombreuses fois abordé!!
La réponse est donc: Amex Gold AF-KLM gratuite à discrétion d'Amex et sur demande du propriétaire de la carte si 20000€ de dépenses annuelles! En clair il faut réclamer et vous serez peut-être exhaucé!
Bonne chance
Sinon tu aurais vu que le sujet à été de nombreuses fois abordé!!
La réponse est donc: Amex Gold AF-KLM gratuite à discrétion d'Amex et sur demande du propriétaire de la carte si 20000€ de dépenses annuelles! En clair il faut réclamer et vous serez peut-être exhaucé!
Bonne chance
Vas où tu veux, meurs où tu dois.
Bonjour chris,
Je pense que tu vas devoir te contenter de ta gold car aucun geste co sur les coti platinum sont négociables. Si tu veux du service haut de gamme, il faut payer, ca me semble être, apres reflexion, une bonne politique ( vs VIsa ou Master) qui me fait des propositions allechantes car au final je me suis laissé aller pour L AF platinum.
A bientot
Je pense que tu vas devoir te contenter de ta gold car aucun geste co sur les coti platinum sont négociables. Si tu veux du service haut de gamme, il faut payer, ca me semble être, apres reflexion, une bonne politique ( vs VIsa ou Master) qui me fait des propositions allechantes car au final je me suis laissé aller pour L AF platinum.
A bientot
Bien envoyé si on veut une fausse "black card" on paye !
Sinon pour les faux riches il y a la silver gratuite à partir de 6000 euros de dépense !
Detenteur d'un Amex AF Gold pour laquelle je ne paye plus de cotisation, j'essaye en vain d'obtenir la platinum gratuite.
quelq'un pourrait t il me donner des pistes ?
J'ai deja essaye ne debut de semaine et l'on m'a repondu pas de reduction sur la cotisation de 490E
Merci
Salut Chris, Je tombe sur ce message qui date de plus d'un an et souhaiterais savoir comment arrives-tu à ne plus payer de cotisation pour ton Amex Gold Air France? Je suis moi même client depuis 1999. Merci à toi. T.
Salut Chris, Je tombe sur ce message qui date de plus d'un an et souhaiterais savoir comment arrives-tu à ne plus payer de cotisation pour ton Amex Gold Air France? Je suis moi même client depuis 1999. Merci à toi. T.
You don’t lose friends over a no, you lose them over a wrong yes.
Detenteur d'un Amex AF Gold pour laquelle je ne paye plus de cotisation, j'essaye en vain d'obtenir la platinum gratuite.
quelq'un pourrait t il me donner des pistes ?
J'ai deja essaye ne debut de semaine et l'on m'a repondu pas de reduction sur la cotisation de 490E
Merci
Salut Chris, Je tombe sur ce message qui date de plus d'un an et souhaiterais savoir comment arrives-tu à ne plus payer de cotisation pour ton Amex Gold Air France? Je suis moi même client depuis 1999. Merci à toi. T.
Oops désolé à tous, je n'avais pas vu la suite du thread. OK bien compris, 20.000 euros de dépenses annuelles et c'est discretionnaire auprès d'Amex. Merci à vous. T.
Salut Chris, Je tombe sur ce message qui date de plus d'un an et souhaiterais savoir comment arrives-tu à ne plus payer de cotisation pour ton Amex Gold Air France? Je suis moi même client depuis 1999. Merci à toi. T.
Oops désolé à tous, je n'avais pas vu la suite du thread. OK bien compris, 20.000 euros de dépenses annuelles et c'est discretionnaire auprès d'Amex. Merci à vous. T.
You don’t lose friends over a no, you lose them over a wrong yes.
Ok je viens de recevoir une nouvelle proposition @ 490E ( 3 en 1 an ) => ils doivent avoir des problemes a les vendre ...
Je conserve com Amex AF @ 0E/an
surement parcequ'il a reçu 3 propositions en 1 an ... moi je l'ai prise et de nombreuses personnes dans mon entourage proche et plus lointain l'ont également !
aucune chance à mon avis - en ce qui me concerne je suis encore loin de la date de renouvellement.
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Hello,
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
Hi,
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
Hi there,
I traveled in June 2025 with Nouvelair Destinations to Hammamet.
I had one checked bag and one carry-on sized 40x24x30, which I usually take on low-cost flights, and I didn’t have any issues. But I just read on a website that Nouvel Air only accepts carry-ons of 40x20x15. I’m flying back to Djerba in June—what do you think? Especially since that size is impossible to find??????? Thanks
Hi, it's my first time taking a plane and I chose EasyJet for a Geneva -> Barcelona flight.
I booked my ticket.
I received my booking reference by email, but I don’t see the actual ticket (barcode or QR code?).
Then I checked in to get the boarding pass with the flight details, QR code, etc. But does this boarding pass act as the ticket?
Because I’ve seen several times online that the flight ticket and the boarding pass aren’t the same thing.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
Hi,
Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
Hello,
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
Hello,
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
Hi there!
Has anyone taken the direct flight from CDG to Las Vegas with Air France?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Hey everyone,
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
Hi there,
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric








