Safe airline for Hong Kong - Tokyo connection
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MU
Hi there! I’m planning to spend a few days in Hong Kong in April/May to visit my son, who’ll be doing an exchange program there. We’d also like to take the opportunity to spend a few days in Japan. Do you have any tips on airlines in the region? I’ve seen deals on Skyscanner for HK Express, which seems like the local Ryanair. But I have no idea what it’s like. Thanks in advance!
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Hi,

I’ve flown with them once—good low-cost airline, but make sure to book directly on their site. The prices shown on comparison sites don’t include checked baggage. You can choose either 20 kg or 32 kg, and the price changes, of course. HK Express - HK Express Compare the final price (with baggage if needed) with regular airlines—sometimes you get surprises.
Cordialement, Patrick.
MU Mu1974 ·
Thanks Patrick!
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Sure, HK Express is a low-cost airline, but it's a subsidiary of Cathay Pacific. As Patrick mentioned, make sure to book only on their official website and enter ALL your first names exactly as they appear on your passport—otherwise, you’ll run into big issues at boarding. You can also pre-reserve and pre-pay for a snack on the flights.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
MU Mu1974 ·
Thanks! I didn’t know it was a Cathay subsidiary! Thanks also for all the really useful info.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

You're right to emphasize this point—the booking site isn't at all designed for Europeans and only accommodates structures with a "middle name," which we don’t have. Since no one can predict how they’d handle lists of first names in the style of French civil records, how they’d manage double first names, or how they’d view a list of names that exceeds the very limited space and character count on an e-ticket, I think it’s wise to look at another airline and avoid HK Express. A safe airline for a French or Luxembourgish passenger is also one that offers a system compatible with their passport.

Michel
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I just did a little comparison with random dates—November 12 to 19. Eva Air: 293 € with a checked bag of 23 kg. 151 € and 79 € for a hold bag. If it were me, I’d go with a well-established international airline to avoid any nasty surprises.

Michel
MU Mu1974 ·
Thanks Michel. I’d rather avoid bad surprises too. You mentioned Eva Air, which I don’t know. I’ll check it out. 😊
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi there

With HK Express, there are no nasty surprises. You just need to enter all your first names exactly as they appear on your passport. Some European low-cost airlines are much worse. Eva Air is a Taiwanese airline, and the flights go via Taipei. Compare direct flights with checked baggage if you need it, depending on your dates.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
MU Mu1974 ·
Thanks!
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello,

An airline that doesn’t meet European international standards could still hold other unpleasant surprises or misunderstandings about services or amenities. We’re familiar with European low-cost carriers, and I don’t really see how they’d be "worse." I suggested Eva Air because it’s a major, high-quality airline—part of an alliance—that won’t play hide-and-seek with you or leave you stranded, plain and simple 🙂. Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hey Michel

Have you flown with HK Express? I have, and I don’t have any complaints about them. There are some airlines in Europe I blacklist (you probably do too), but that’s not what we’re here to discuss.

What makes you say they don’t meet European international standards, by your definition? They’re a Cathay Pacific subsidiary, after all.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Have you traveled with HK Express?

No, but it’s something I’d avoid—especially if you have checked luggage, since they’re not particularly competitive.

There are airlines in Europe that I blacklist (you probably do too), but that’s not the topic here.

No, I don’t blacklist any.

How do you know it doesn’t meet European international standards, as you put it? It’s a Cathay Pacific subsidiary, after all.

That whole first-name policy, to me, hints at other potential issues—that’s all. A serious and safe airline wouldn’t enforce something like that.

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
No, but it's something I'd avoid doing; especially since if you have checked baggage, they're not particularly competitive.

You need to compare based on your flight days and schedules. For this HK/Tokyo route, there are red-eye flights, for example, and those aren't great. You also need to choose between Haneda and Narita depending on where you're going.

This whole first-name thing, to me, is indicative of other potential issues; that's all. A serious and safe airline wouldn't impose that.

Not at all. Sorry, but you're mistaken. This also applies to Vietnam, I believe. Patrick91230, who knows well, might be able to confirm. It's simply that there are a huge number of people with the same last name and first name. To tell them apart, you need to include all first names. As simple and practical as that.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
It’s simply because there are so many people with the same last name and first name. To tell them apart, you’ve got to include all the first names. As simple and practical as that.

There are only a handful of airlines in the world that are this clueless about our civil registry rules—mostly in Vietnam, in fact. If they don’t get something this basic, they could easily spring other nasty surprises. I wouldn’t outright avoid them, but if I had the choice, I’d go with operators who are on the same wavelength, especially if the price is the same. Plus, with Eva Air, I’d earn miles 😉.

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Stop speculating, you'll give yourself a headache 😉 If you're traveling *A, it's best to take ANA direct if you're not watching the price.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Stop speculating, you're gonna give yourself a headache ;) If it's to fly *A, might as well book ANA direct if price isn't the main concern.

Everyone does as they please. Booking ANA direct probably earns fewer miles than EVA with a layover, but I don’t have time to check.

Michel
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Speaking of ANA, here’s what they say about first names: for a French passport, only the first given name is required.

Michel

ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel,

No surprise there. You should always check the airline's conditions. If some require ALL first names to be listed, you just have to comply. I really don’t see any issue with that. It doesn’t question the airline’s quality or reliability. On the contrary, I find it more reassuring—if there are several people on board with the same last name and first name, adding the second one makes it much easier to identify who’s who if needed.
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Some airlines understand that the French don’t have a "middle name," and some just don’t adapt—especially not. You can see there are tons of special cases, so we can’t just stick to "write letter for letter everything that’s on the passport." Besides, that would often be impossible anyway. I prefer airlines with a truly international vision—you’d think that would also reflect in their overall reliability.

On the contrary, I find it more reassuring if there are several people on board with the same last name and first name. Adding the second name makes it easy to identify who’s who if needed.

I’m not quite sure what situation you’re thinking of… 🙂 Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
I’m not quite sure which situation you’re thinking of... 🙂

Like when an airline needs to call a passenger to their desk in the boarding area, for example. If several people have exactly the same first and last name, multiple folks might show up. And in a more unfortunate—and dramatic—case, to communicate exact information. 😢
"Si partir vivre ses rêves remplit l'âme, les partager après les avoir réalisés la grandit" "Qui veut apprendre à se connaître commence par explorer le monde"
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
If multiple people share the exact same first and last name, several will show up. And in a more dramatic case, to communicate accurate information

A major safety issue indeed . The point of my message yesterday was to show that the practice with French passports—sticking to the last name and first given name—isn’t just a tolerance, it’s codified and recognized.

Michel

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