Japon: JR Pass ou non?
by Vanessab35
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous,
Nous partons à 4 dans 15 jours au Japon (pour 15 jours). Nous atterrissons à Tokyo et souhaitons y passer 5 nuits. Ensuite nous voulons aller à Hiroshima en train puis à miyajima en ferry. Àprès nous souhaitons reprendre le train de Hiroshima vers Osaka et louer une voiture quelques jours pour baroudeur entre koyasan, Ise, nara puis rendre notre voiture en arrivant à Kyoto. Après quelques jours de visites à Kyoto, nous prendrions le train pour Tokyo puis narita.
J'ai l'impression que le pass ne marche pas pour les trajets que je souhaite effectuer est ce le cas ? Sinon, je ne sais pas du tout dans quel quartier dormir à tokyo, ce que j aimerai, c'est une position centrale, facilement accessible depuis narita et à proximité d une gare qui dessert bien tous les quartiers, qu en pensez vous ? Je suis un peu perdue.. Dois je prendre un jr pass 7 ou 14 jours ou pas du tout ? Ce pass peut il me servir Tokyo et si oui doit on dormir à proximité d une ligne Jr pour gagner du temps ? Merci beaucoup de m aider.
J ai trouve une maison à Tokyo juste à côté de la gare d ikebekuro, qu en pensez vous, est ce piastre trop mal situé ?
Bonjour,
Le pass marche sur pratiquement tous les trains et métro JR ainsi que pour le Ferry pour Mayajima. Pour vérifier si le pass est rentable tu peux calculer le prix des trajets sur le site : http://www.hyperdia.com Ce site est très pratique pour voyager au japon avec les horaires et le numéro de quais (important à connaitre pour éviter de chercher). Tu peux utiliser le pass sur la ligne yamanote à Tokyo, très pratique pour circuler notamment à partir d'Ikebukuro. je pense qu'il vaut mieux être basé prés d'une grande gare à Tokyo sur la ligne Yamanote. Ça facilite les trajets en métro en train et en shikansen. Personnellement j'ai passé 1 semaine cet été à Ginza à proximité de la gare Yurakucho. C'était parfait. Ikebukuro est un peu excentré mais le quartier est très animé et la ligne Yamanote permet de circuler assez rapidement un peu partout. La voiture est un excellent moyen pour découvrir le japon. Ne pas oublier de demander le GPS en Anglais. Prévoir du temps car les vitesses sont limitées et la circulation est dense. Beaucoup de péages aussi. prévoir aussi la traduction du permis en japonais.
Le pass marche sur pratiquement tous les trains et métro JR ainsi que pour le Ferry pour Mayajima. Pour vérifier si le pass est rentable tu peux calculer le prix des trajets sur le site : http://www.hyperdia.com Ce site est très pratique pour voyager au japon avec les horaires et le numéro de quais (important à connaitre pour éviter de chercher). Tu peux utiliser le pass sur la ligne yamanote à Tokyo, très pratique pour circuler notamment à partir d'Ikebukuro. je pense qu'il vaut mieux être basé prés d'une grande gare à Tokyo sur la ligne Yamanote. Ça facilite les trajets en métro en train et en shikansen. Personnellement j'ai passé 1 semaine cet été à Ginza à proximité de la gare Yurakucho. C'était parfait. Ikebukuro est un peu excentré mais le quartier est très animé et la ligne Yamanote permet de circuler assez rapidement un peu partout. La voiture est un excellent moyen pour découvrir le japon. Ne pas oublier de demander le GPS en Anglais. Prévoir du temps car les vitesses sont limitées et la circulation est dense. Beaucoup de péages aussi. prévoir aussi la traduction du permis en japonais.
Bonjour,
Pour savoir si et quel railpass est rentable, hyperdia est vraiment pratique.
Question location de voiture, je vous suggère de la rendre là où vous l'aurez louée, pour éviter des frais, d'autant plus que Kyoto, Osaka et Nara sont vraiment proches l'une de l'autre. Pour la boucle que vous prévoyez, je pense que partir de Kyoto ou Nara serait le mieux, question de trafic (autour de Osaka, c'est assez infernal) et de péages.
A Tokyo, Ikebukuro n'est pas mal du tout, animé et avec des attractions sympas, sur la ligne circulaire Yamanote qui dessert le "centre" de la ville, pas très loin des quartiers branchés "vie nocturne", et il est facile de rallier Narita de là. Choisissez le quartier qui vous convient en fonction de vos centres d'intérêts et de votre mode de vie, et de la proximité des transports, pas seulement des trains JR d'ailleurs (on utilise beaucoup le métro, à Tokyo).
Pour savoir si et quel railpass est rentable, hyperdia est vraiment pratique.
Question location de voiture, je vous suggère de la rendre là où vous l'aurez louée, pour éviter des frais, d'autant plus que Kyoto, Osaka et Nara sont vraiment proches l'une de l'autre. Pour la boucle que vous prévoyez, je pense que partir de Kyoto ou Nara serait le mieux, question de trafic (autour de Osaka, c'est assez infernal) et de péages.
A Tokyo, Ikebukuro n'est pas mal du tout, animé et avec des attractions sympas, sur la ligne circulaire Yamanote qui dessert le "centre" de la ville, pas très loin des quartiers branchés "vie nocturne", et il est facile de rallier Narita de là. Choisissez le quartier qui vous convient en fonction de vos centres d'intérêts et de votre mode de vie, et de la proximité des transports, pas seulement des trains JR d'ailleurs (on utilise beaucoup le métro, à Tokyo).
Bonjour,
Je prévois un voyage au Japon et me pose également des questions par rapport au Jr Pass. Merci beaucoup pour le site Hyperdia.
Je compte partir 10 Jours au Japon, voici l'itinéraire que je vais emprunter en train :
Narita Tokyo11,97 €Tokyo Disneyland8,60 €Tokyo Kyoto126,45 €KyotoNara20,76 €KyotoOsaka15,71 €OsakaOsaka airport5,80 €189,31 €
Si je fais le total (grace au site Hyperdia), tous les trajets en train me reviennent à 189€, et quand je regarde le prix du JR pass pour 1 semaine 259€ et 412€ pour2 semaines.
Du coup si je réserve moi même les billets via Hyperdia, cela me fait économiser bcp d'argent. Pouvez-vous me confirmer que c'est possible de réserver les billets via Hyperdia et de les utiliser la bas, ou bien est-ce trop compliqé et il vaut mieux prendre un JR?
Merci à tous pour votre retour.
Je prévois un voyage au Japon et me pose également des questions par rapport au Jr Pass. Merci beaucoup pour le site Hyperdia.
Je compte partir 10 Jours au Japon, voici l'itinéraire que je vais emprunter en train :
Narita Tokyo11,97 €Tokyo Disneyland8,60 €Tokyo Kyoto126,45 €KyotoNara20,76 €KyotoOsaka15,71 €OsakaOsaka airport5,80 €189,31 €
Si je fais le total (grace au site Hyperdia), tous les trajets en train me reviennent à 189€, et quand je regarde le prix du JR pass pour 1 semaine 259€ et 412€ pour2 semaines.
Du coup si je réserve moi même les billets via Hyperdia, cela me fait économiser bcp d'argent. Pouvez-vous me confirmer que c'est possible de réserver les billets via Hyperdia et de les utiliser la bas, ou bien est-ce trop compliqé et il vaut mieux prendre un JR?
Merci à tous pour votre retour.
Bonjour,
Je JR Pass ne semble pas rentable dans votre cas. A priori on ne peut pas réserver de billets de train via Hyperdia mais il est très facile d'en acheter à n'importe quel guichet de gare.
Vous pourrez acheter des billets avec ou sans réservation (beaucoup moins chers). Les trains sont composés de wagons avec ou sans réservation. Il est très facile de voyager au japon sous condition toutefois de pratiquer l'anglais.
Bonne préparation.
Je JR Pass ne semble pas rentable dans votre cas. A priori on ne peut pas réserver de billets de train via Hyperdia mais il est très facile d'en acheter à n'importe quel guichet de gare.
Vous pourrez acheter des billets avec ou sans réservation (beaucoup moins chers). Les trains sont composés de wagons avec ou sans réservation. Il est très facile de voyager au japon sous condition toutefois de pratiquer l'anglais.
Bonne préparation.
Il est très facile de voyager au japon sous condition toutefois de pratiquer l'anglais.
À la campagne, pratiquement personne ne parle le moindre mot d'anglais cependant... Et même dans les grandes villes comme Tokyo, il faut s'attendre à avoir des interlocuteurs ne parlant pas le moindre mot d'anglais (tous les chauffeurs de taxi par exemple, tous les policiers et dans de nombreux magasins et restos...).
Mais bon, ce n'est jamais un réel problème pour autant.
À la campagne, pratiquement personne ne parle le moindre mot d'anglais cependant... Et même dans les grandes villes comme Tokyo, il faut s'attendre à avoir des interlocuteurs ne parlant pas le moindre mot d'anglais (tous les chauffeurs de taxi par exemple, tous les policiers et dans de nombreux magasins et restos...).
Mais bon, ce n'est jamais un réel problème pour autant.
Bonjour,
Je pensais au personnel dans les gares qui comprend en général l'Anglais (en tout cas ceux que j'ai sollicités). Par contre ce fut plus difficile avec les loueurs de voiture (Hertz), Le personnel d'un hôtel à Matsue, le personnel des Onsens en général etc...
Nous avions pris quelques cours de japonais avant de partir, c'est plus sympa pour aborder les gens, mais on se débrouille très bien avec l'anglais. les Japonnais sont vraiment sympas et font le maximum pour nous comprendre et nous renseigner.
Je pensais au personnel dans les gares qui comprend en général l'Anglais (en tout cas ceux que j'ai sollicités). Par contre ce fut plus difficile avec les loueurs de voiture (Hertz), Le personnel d'un hôtel à Matsue, le personnel des Onsens en général etc...
Nous avions pris quelques cours de japonais avant de partir, c'est plus sympa pour aborder les gens, mais on se débrouille très bien avec l'anglais. les Japonnais sont vraiment sympas et font le maximum pour nous comprendre et nous renseigner.
Je viens peut-être trop tard mais les tarifs de ton Jr pass ne sont pas corrects : à mon avis, tu as pris les tarifs de la 1ere classe. Le prix le moins cher que j'ai trouvé est de 218 euros pour 1 sem et 351 pour 2.
Je pense que c'était bien le bon prix mais, le JR Pass étant au départ à payer en Yens (le prix en euros est une simple conversion) et le Yen ayant baissé de plus de 15% depuis novembre (une chance pour tous ceux qui partent en ce moment !), le prix du JR Pass a, de manière logique et mathématique, baissé dans les mêmes proportions.
Je ne suivais pas le cours du yen, je ne savais pas qu'il avait baissé autant ! Tant mieux pour moi qui pars bientôt !
C'est revenu au niveau de 2010, 1000 ¥ = 8 € (c'était 9 en 2011 et 10 en 2012).
L'année dernière, j'ai payé le JR Pass 14j 440 €...
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I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)






