Un meilleur site SNCF
by Aston
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Ce n'est pas une fatalité, le site de la SNCF pourrait bien mieux fonctionner :
Un groupe de développeurs démontre que voyage-sncf.com pourrait fonctionner bien mieux, plus rapidement et rendre vraiment service aux voyageurs avec une dizaine de solutions simples et peux couteuses à mettre en place:
Voir ici :
http://www.cyblist.com/bug/les-bugs-de-la-sncf.php
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Un groupe de développeurs démontre que voyage-sncf.com pourrait fonctionner bien mieux, plus rapidement et rendre vraiment service
y a même des développeurs qui l'ont montré en vendant à d'autres sociétés de chemin de fer des sites web qui fonctionnent bien mieux, plus rapidement, et qui rendent vraiment service. Par exemple : http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/fn? ou http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/fn?
y a même des développeurs qui l'ont montré en vendant à d'autres sociétés de chemin de fer des sites web qui fonctionnent bien mieux, plus rapidement, et qui rendent vraiment service. Par exemple : http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/fn? ou http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/fn?
Puisque que quelqu'un en parle, c'est une évidence criante: pourquoi faire compliqué quand on peut faire simple??
Le site de la RATP est semblable: petit jeu avec la RATP, trouvez-moi la page avec le prix régulier d'un ticket de métro!!
Les français en web sont....compliqués! 😎
"OO"
Les français en web sont....compliqués! 😎
"OO"
"Plus il y a de fous, moins il y a de riz"
Paris, Bordeaux, Bourgogne, Rhône, Alpes, Provence, Languedoc-Roussillon, Barcelona, Figueres, Belém, Sao Paulo, Manaus, Marajò, Soure, Joanes, Ilha de Mosqueiro, Cambu, Iccoraci, Costa Rica, Corse, México, Cuba, Thaïlande, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodge, Chine...
Oui effectivement , après vos indications, c'est presque simple mais cela n'a pas été mon expérience récemment, et je ne suis pas un 2 de pique en internet!
Pourquoi ne pas avoir fait une section "Titres et tarifs" exclusivement? Ça c'est clair et direct.
Quand je vais voir le site d'un transporteur, je veux savoir 2 choses; les horaires et les tarifs puis ensuite comment réserver.
Merci pour votre test!
"OO" (__)
Pourquoi ne pas avoir fait une section "Titres et tarifs" exclusivement? Ça c'est clair et direct.
Quand je vais voir le site d'un transporteur, je veux savoir 2 choses; les horaires et les tarifs puis ensuite comment réserver.
Merci pour votre test!
"OO" (__)
"Plus il y a de fous, moins il y a de riz"
Paris, Bordeaux, Bourgogne, Rhône, Alpes, Provence, Languedoc-Roussillon, Barcelona, Figueres, Belém, Sao Paulo, Manaus, Marajò, Soure, Joanes, Ilha de Mosqueiro, Cambu, Iccoraci, Costa Rica, Corse, México, Cuba, Thaïlande, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodge, Chine...
de toute facon leur site est tellement pourri que maintenant je prends mes billets directement dans le train aupres du controleur , ca coute plus cher maisau moins on perd pas de temps et puis c'esr soit ca soit :
galerer sur le site sncf qui bugge tout le temps
faire la queue au guichet pendant vingt minutes
Les voyages forment la jeunesse
il y a une autre solution assez efficace et moins couteuse que les suppléments tarifs de bord (+10€)choisir ses horaires en consultant un site web efficace comme Deutsche Bahn ou CFFréserver par téléphone au 3635 en donnant les correspondances qu'on veut : 0, 34€/minute, mais c'est moins cher que le suppément tarif de bord et plus rapide qu'au guichet
retirer le billet au distributeur automatique de billets en gare, c'est aussi bien plus rapide qu'au guichet. NB: je ne conseille pas l'automate pour faire les réservations, c'est aussi galère que le site web SNCF!
j'ètais en recherche d'un train derniere heure present sur les horaires papier et absent horaires net... !
le fait que certains trains existent sur le papier mais pas sur le site ne dépend pas de la boite à qui la SNCF a sous-traité le développement du logiciel. Ces "disparitions" de trains sont en général parfaitement volontaires de la part de la SNCF.
la SNCF utilise ce moyen pour essayer de remplir certains trains ou d'en vider d'autres. Je me permets de l'affirmer parce qu'un jour j'ai envoyé une lettre à la direction régionale SNCF + copie à mon Conseil Régional, en me plaignant de ces "disparitions" de plusieurs correspondances TER. Et j'ai reçu une réponse de la SNCF qui m'expliquait qu'il était "normal" que tel et tel train disparaissent des horaires en ligne, parce que sinon ils risquaient d'être complets (!). D'autres raisons peuvent être que la SNCF préfère envoyer les gens prendre 2 TGV plutôt que des trains interrégionaux transverses.
le fait que certains trains existent sur le papier mais pas sur le site ne dépend pas de la boite à qui la SNCF a sous-traité le développement du logiciel. Ces "disparitions" de trains sont en général parfaitement volontaires de la part de la SNCF.
la SNCF utilise ce moyen pour essayer de remplir certains trains ou d'en vider d'autres. Je me permets de l'affirmer parce qu'un jour j'ai envoyé une lettre à la direction régionale SNCF + copie à mon Conseil Régional, en me plaignant de ces "disparitions" de plusieurs correspondances TER. Et j'ai reçu une réponse de la SNCF qui m'expliquait qu'il était "normal" que tel et tel train disparaissent des horaires en ligne, parce que sinon ils risquaient d'être complets (!). D'autres raisons peuvent être que la SNCF préfère envoyer les gens prendre 2 TGV plutôt que des trains interrégionaux transverses.
Ce dont l'employée SNCF parlait sans doute, était de la partie hors vente de billet de trains qui n'est en fait q'une version d'Expedia. Cer le reste du site est développer en France.
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I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)