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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
If I wanted to get treated or get an informed opinion on a medical question, I’d turn to a doctor or a qualified scientist—not Riss. The article doesn’t rise to the occasion. This mask story reminds me of the infamous former minister Agnès Buzyn, who had placed a quinine derivative on the list of dangerous drugs and then claimed that wearing a mask wasn’t necessary. Her predecessors had destroyed the mask stockpile!

I’d like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to and set the record straight about Professor Montagnier regarding COVID-19. When he died, people said he was senile for suggesting the virus had escaped from a lab. Now we know the truth, thanks to the so-called "conspiracy theorists."
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Tu quoque Franciscus... 😮

First, a clarification: when Tatra used the phrase "presse officielle française" last night, I understood it as "state press," as he usually means it, because no antonym of "official" would make sense in that expression. He justifies it, as you do, by pointing to state subsidies whose goal is to maintain diversity of opinion, not to stifle expression—which wouldn’t make sense anyway, since it would be enough to cut press subsidies to thin the ranks. Besides, this phrase is insulting to journalists and reflects the populist "all corrupt" mindset. Note that France isn’t the only country that does this, and there are plenty of countries today where the press is controlled by the state (that’s the definition of state press) and would better suit your outrage.

Now, could you explain how and why alternative media would be spared from the flaws you identify in mainstream press?

It’s not accurate to say that the French print media is unanimous about Trump, Putin, or Zelensky. Just read it. The shortcuts and simplifications you observe in your meetings likely reveal that your interlocutors are more interested in confirmation bias than in information that might challenge their beliefs.

I don’t know if there are "far fewer journalists than before," but I agree that individual standards aren’t improving and that raw agency dispatches are too common.

No doubt that comparing our sources could be mutually enriching... at first. I suggest we do this elsewhere because we’ll soon be asked what we’re doing and where we are. Out West?

To conclude, my belief is that we must force ourselves to diversify our sources and tackle this stripped of our certainties, vulnerable and open.

P.S. I never get my news from TV, not even for Nivat. 😏
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Since we need to diversify sources.
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Since we need to diversify sources.

Why not?

What I do know is that I can’t keep myself informed the way I used to with the print press. The most dramatic drop in trust is for *Le Monde*.

For example, when it comes to the Ukrainian conflict, I have zero credibility in the French print press regarding military operations. I get my information from *Military Summary*, even though it’s run by a Belarusian.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Fair enough, sure.

But that’s a step too far for me to suspect all mainstream media of spouting nonsense.
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Fair enough, sure.

But suspecting all mainstream media of spouting nonsense is a step I won’t take.

You can also err by omission, though! !
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
I confirm the current trend; it's "Trump is evil"; Putin has dropped off the radar for now. What’s your experience?

I don’t know if Trump is good or evil, but all I know is that his understanding—and thus his logic—of macroeconomics is disastrous... I assume, as I’ve already written here, that the measures he’s taking regarding the trade war he wants to start were done after consulting Musk. Who, in turn, consulted an artificial intelligence platform to get statistics. We’re seeing the disaster that’s coming. Given that these two guys are making decisions alone and apparently without consulting advisors, well, once again, it’s a catastrophe. Even a 15-year-old high school student would be better at running the American economy 😉
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
More stupid than mean, you think?

I don’t know.

But given his questionable taste in hair, his love for foundation and tanning beds, and his Strauss-Kahn vibe with women, I’d say he’s got a few wires crossed.

Mild Tourette’s syndrome too, maybe.
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KO Kola Globetrotter ·
(Sorry for continuing the off-topic discussion you started by calling me out instead of addressing the actual topic.)

It’s not good to hold a grudge against someone; it doesn’t make the person involved look any better.

Who is holding a grudge against whom?

To feel resentment, there must have been an offense, harm, or a perfectly aimed arrow hitting a sensitive spot... do you feel like you have that kind of skill? Have you recently shown it in an exchange with me?

But you wrote offensed. Maybe it was you who felt that way?

excellent reasons... excellent traveler

You often tend to hand out certificates of morality, excellence, intelligence, good or bad taste, politeness...

distressing tendency to use inclusive writing,

If a little middle dot disappoints you that much, just let it go... and use what it challenges you with to try broadening your perspective.

That probably doesn’t stop you from being an excellent traveler. Most participants on this forum are likely good-natured and pleasant to meet during their travels—let’s not forget that.

??

Why do I sometimes feel like I’m reading someone else when I come across some of your comments that seem to come out of nowhere?

.../...

People are absolutely not aware

So, who are these people, and what is it they don’t know, don’t see, don’t understand... are absolutely not aware of that you seem to be informed about?

Isn’t there a hint of arrogance in lumping people together into a shapeless, uniform mass just to feel like you stand out from them?
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi everyone, I’m replying to Kola just because it’s the latest message, but this is for everyone.

Zorba got what I meant: sure, it’s not the ORTF of the golden age, but the state subsidizes a press that wouldn’t survive without its support. While some media outlets are clearly state-run public services, almost all the others serve an institutional and official narrative. Regional press has published—and probably still does—plenty of disguised prefectural advertorials, often wrapping up articles with copy-pasted reminders of what we’re not allowed to question when it comes to climate and ecology. Health and economics are more subtle, but the dogmatism is still there. The groups that own the media are few, and they share common views and interests. In France, it’s really hard to step outside this accepted worldview. You might say it’s the same everywhere—and you’d be right. In Russia or Belarus, for example, people chat by the photocopier just like we do here, most of them genuinely surprised or offended that anyone would dare question the official worldview. A few years back, when I was teaching media studies, I had a conversation with the editor-in-chief of a Breton regional newspaper that left me chilled. She explained her job like this: she saw the press not as a tool for objective information, investigation, or opinion, but as a way to educate readers on the right practices and values. I dropped that teaching gig right after, but recent years have only confirmed this trend. Statements like "health is a value", "life must be sober and virtuous", "freedom can only be a collectively granted exception", or "a good society can only be inclusive" can’t be discussed—they’re set in stone as dogma.

Michel

PS: Inclusive writing is a different story—it’s a kind of activist stance based on a misunderstanding of the language’s grammar, which actually includes a neuter gender. Using language to serve a cause really bothers me; it’s my "natural law philosophy" side. Occasionally Rousseauist, in fact.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
A touch of zen, the tale of the knights of Illumination. An evanescent scent, the spirit transcending itself. Journeys toward so many horizons, effervescent suns. The return and the flame, the Koka and the Kola 😉
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
You’ll tell me it’s the same everywhere; indeed, in Russia or Belarus,

No, it’s not the same everywhere.

In France and Europe generally, all opinions can be expressed. You’re living proof of that. And this fact is highlighted in the article linked above.

In Russia and other countries, watch out if you go against the framework set by Putin in power.

Try publishing certain cartoons in some theocracies and see what happens...

I think we’re going in circles with this discussion. As often happens after the first few pages, anyway...

Some people develop a conspiratorial image in others’ minds. Others develop a sheep-like image in the minds of some. We’re really getting somewhere...
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Is Trump "evil"? In fact, is he a "villain"? Without a doubt, since he is complicit in holocaust crimes by allowing the continuous delivery of bombs that destroy civilian populations, including children. He had the opportunity to interrupt this process started by his predecessor during the truce; he didn’t do it—he has become a criminal.

On one occasion, Golda Meir gathered her cabinet to announce she was stopping the ongoing war. A minister told her there was no reason to since the army was winning. She replied that the USA had stopped arms deliveries.

Your analysis of Trump’s economic actions seems too simplistic to me. He himself is a shrewd businessman, and his associate Musk is a remarkably successful man. I think they know what they’re doing: they’re pressing levers that allow them to bring all the vassals back into line. Of course, they won’t be able to do anything against the Russian Federation and China. Trump’s task is immense: managing dedollarization, preventing an impending crash, cleaning out hostile administrations like the CIA, ending the war in Ukraine by making his proxies swallow the bitter pill... I wouldn’t want that job.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
He himself is a shrewd businessman

I don’t know if the employees from the businesses he drove into bankruptcy share your opinion.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
In France and in Europe generally, all opinions can be expressed. You’re living proof of that.

I’ve read here so often about people who wanted to silence me, or automatically silence those who didn’t share their views. Don’t you remember? Don’t you also remember the "Ministry of Truth" and the Bronner commission? The temptation among French and European elites to control public opinion is very strong—it keeps coming back to the surface. In France, can you publish cartoons that insult the Republic? I don’t think so.

Michel
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
Cartoons or the like—I see them every day on Facebook. Especially of elected officials.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
It seems like on this forum, the person who was silenced during Covid was me...🙂
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
There’s no problem walking around in a knee-length dress with your hair down in Iran and Afghanistan (the only countries in question)? 😮

It’s not just in those two countries where it’s an issue.

In most Muslim countries, actually. (And increasingly so, which wasn’t necessarily the case before).

I’d even say it’s a full reversal! When I was in my twenties (back in the 70s), in many Muslim countries (all of North Africa), the Middle East (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon), Iran, and even Afghanistan, things were much more tolerant than they are today! A lot of people my age were even almost anti-religious and opposed to their parents’ traditional culture. In North Africa, I don’t remember seeing a single veil—same in Iran. In Afghanistan, the daughters of the bourgeoisie in Kabul and Herat were all in skirts and high heels!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Anne-Claire,

Iran today: Even though their situation isn’t enviable, Iranian women have always had the right to drive, study, and work. Saudi women, despite some progress in that area, did they have that possibility just a few years ago? The thing is, some countries are demonized and others aren’t... I went to Iran a few years ago, and the image I got of the country was quite different from the one presented by the media. That same year, I was given the best-selling book *Not Without My Daughter* by Betty Mahmoody. On the cover, there’s a photo of a woman with her face completely covered. That’s a lie. I never saw covered faces in Iran. But it’s true, the hijab is still mandatory there. And yes, it’s shocking. As a tourist, I couldn’t escape that rule either. Back then, I talked a lot with women there. They were exhausted by the mandatory hijab and the morality police checks.

Yes, “demonize” is the exact term. To be the Good, you hastily sketch out the Evil and then *Vade retro satanas*...

I remember that terrifying book, written by an American woman who had a nightmarish experience, published during a time of high tension between Iran and the U.S. That was when the public started getting obsessed with ordinary people’s stories. If I recall correctly, it was around the same time you couldn’t escape Loana and What’s-His-Name’s aquatic antics... Today, if you look into contemporary Iranian literature—which you can only read in translation—it almost seems like only female authors exist in the country, and you have to search hard to find novels written by men. That bias says more about our culture than about Iran.

As for the hijab, it’s been a political issue in Iran for nearly a century. Women who didn’t want to dress in little dresses were confined to their homes, then discriminated against as backward and suspicious for years. From one coercive extreme to another. Let’s hope they can just be who they want, but I have my doubts as long as the country faces strong international pressures.

Catherine
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KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Today, if you're interested in contemporary Iranian literature—which you can only read in translation—it almost seems like only female authors exist in the country, and you have to search for a long time to find novels written by men.

On the other hand, there are many male directors (I’m thinking of Asghar Farhadi, among others—he’s the most well-known—and I love his films). But between censorship and sanctions, it’s tough to produce a film in Iran.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Your analysis of Trump's economic policies seems too simplistic.

No, it's not me being simplistic—it's Trump himself. What he doesn't see is that trade flows are interconnected; we're talking about interdependence, like Apple outsourcing to Foxconn in Asia. Once Trump raises tariffs on imports from Asia, he’s shooting himself in the foot because a huge portion of Apple’s components come from Asia. Boeing is facing nearly $20 billion in financial losses—yes, the U.S. economy has lost some of its strength. The manufacturer can’t seem to revive its 737-Max program; it’s on the brink of bankruptcy... Given that there are competitors even in the aerospace industry
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Kate,

But between censorship and sanctions, it’s hard to make a film in Iran.

Yes, and yet it produces wonders of essentiality. Like *Tehran Chronicles* (*Versets terrestres* in the original language), shot in a week, without any kind of authorization, and in which one of the scenes shows a director struggling with a censor who tears page after page of his script.

Catherine
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I really liked *The Nights of Mashhad*. But it wasn’t exactly a hit with the mullahs...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Some people develop a conspiracy-theorist image in others' minds. Others develop a sheep-like image in some people's minds. We haven’t made much progress...

Wow, you’ve never been this close to the truth. That said, I sometimes find those sheep pretty vehement. Like rabid sheep who also pick the wrong targets.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Women who didn’t want to dress in little dresses were confined to their homes, then discriminated against as suspicious backward people for years

True. I’ve always wondered why those women, who weren’t free, don’t stand up for the ones who want to be free today.

They should be the first to protest for the freedom to dress however they want, since they were the first to be denied that freedom.

But strangely, the opposite happens.

It’s illogical.
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NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
In Afghanistan, the daughters of the bourgeoisie in Kabul and Herat all wore skirts and high heels!

Up until the 90s, in fact. That’s all over for them now. 🙁

I’d even say it’s full speed backward!

Same here... In the 70s/80s, it would never have occurred to my North African classmates to wear a veil. Never.
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
Let’s just hope they can be whatever they want, but I have my doubts as long as the country faces strong international pressure.

We’re on the same page, Catherine.
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
They should be the first to protest for the freedom to dress as they please, given that they were the first to lack that freedom.

But strangely, the opposite is happening.

Ancestral customs, what people will say, modesty (very trendy right now 😉), prudishness, propaganda (I should really find that photo of a poster plastered at Tehran Airport saying the hijab protects the family), and maybe a hint of jealousy too?? Go figure, Charles... At least Iranian women fighting this ideology know what the hijab represents. (I really feel like adding "they do").
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I agree with you. Sooner or later, the machismo of certain cultures catches up with their women. I think religion is just an excuse.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I really want to add "them" too.

Not all women would be defined solely by what ties them to their gender?

Whether it’s the veil or something else, it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Women who didn’t want to dress in little dresses were confined to their homes, then discriminated against as suspicious backward people for years

Exactly. I’ve always wondered why those women, who weren’t free, don’t defend today those who’d like to be.

They should be the first to protest for the freedom to dress as we want, given they were the first to lack that freedom.

But strangely, the opposite happens.

It’s illogical.

Good evening Agnès,

What do you want me to say? The fact is, unlike you, I’m not sure that these women who willingly wear the veil and see it as an important part of their identity form a homogeneous group. I imagine that among the most fanatical, a desire to keep society in their image leads them to reject any evolution. And that the more open-minded are neutral or even support these movements, without necessarily wanting to get hurt. Or maybe they do. Just conjectures. Chatter. I don’t know.

Catherine
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KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Whether it's the veil or something else, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

No, it's Maghrebi 😛
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
. And that the most open-minded ones are neutral or even support these movements, without necessarily wanting to get beaten up

But by doing so, they harm their image, reinforcing the idea in people’s minds of an intolerant Islam.

It’s a vicious circle.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Not all women would be affected by what reduces them solely to their gender?

I totally agree with you on that. I experienced a form of orthographic sexualization of my study title, which really bothered me. It seems to be driven by the current wave of feminism. Completely illogical 😛

Catherine
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
But in doing so, they’re harming their image by reinforcing the idea of an intolerant Islam in people’s minds.

It’s entirely possible they just don’t care about their image.

Catherine
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello....

But in doing so, they harm their image by reinforcing the idea of an intolerant Islam in people's minds.

Why would you expect them to care about the image you have of them or of Islam? They live their lives in their own environment; they see themselves as the norm, just like you see yourself as the norm.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
So, for her, the norm is to kill people who are different? (Just to recap the starting point of this digression: the hijab in Iran)

That’s not the norm for me. Hence my surprise.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Agnès,

Why do you always reduce everything to binary confrontations? Why this idea that society must be divided into 2 clans and no more? It’s actually pretty common, when two opposing sides clash, to belong to neither and stay on the sidelines. That’s definitely happened to me a lot...

Catherine

*a little Jesus syndrome? ("Whoever is not with me is against me.")
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
You’ve got the wrong person, Catherine. Your reply was meant for Tatra...
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I didn't understand that last sentence. I think the editorial pressure on journalists is really intense.

Here’s a recent link that might interest you. It’s all there: https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/jean-loup-izambert-macron-un-260556
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
To add to this .
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
This isn’t intellectually acceptable—what you’re doing here is really a lack of courtesy toward me. Why? Because you linked to the website where the article was published when I was quoting an article by a person, just a regular person like you and me... So first, you’re confusing an individual with a media outlet.

An article, especially one published on a participatory platform where opposing articles and comments clash—unlike newspapers where only the journalist has a say.

On top of that, you cite WOKIPEDIA, as some call it. That’s the cherry on top! You should check out Michel Sandrin and Victor Lefebvre’s book *The Hidden Face of Wikipedia*. This participatory encyclopedia seems increasingly infiltrated by editors with a very specific agenda, which undermines neutrality. Michel Onfray complains about it regularly: it’s become a political encyclopedia. The descriptions of certain personalities are indeed very—*too*—biased, something I’ve personally noticed. Not to mention some outright errors.

Did you at least do some research and think carefully about the article’s topics, or do you just feel uncomfortable because what you read doesn’t align with what you’d prefer to believe? That’s completely human, after all.
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hello,

No need to read Wikipedia to get a pretty clear idea of the quality of the article you're offering.

Calling it a "kindergarten game"—meaning childish—when referring to the work of the Justice system is a deliberate attempt to discredit and belittle. And it quickly identifies the author (and increasingly, those who still insist on it here, despite all the caution). I’ll only go back to reading this biased piece to analyze the mental functioning of this group. If the facts lead to the President being charged, which is entirely possible, let justice take its course. Regardless of the embezzlement for which the blonde woman was convicted.

Catherine
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
It's funny, the end of your rant reminds me of something I'd almost forgotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRq-hy7k9mA

I notice that unlike us, you went for a blonde 🙂 https://www.revueconflits.com/giorgia-meloni-premier-bilan-apres-deux-ans-a-la-tete-de-litalie/
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KO Kola Globetrotter ·
(and increasingly the one who, despite being so careful, insists here).

Michel Onfray, WOKIPEDIA, "People are absolutely not aware..." These are no longer tweezers, they're clodhoppers.

@Jojoone

Michel Onfray regularly complains about it: it has become a political encyclopedia. The description of certain personalities is indeed very—too—biased, something I had personally noticed.

Had you also "personally noticed" the shift in Michel Onfray's stance?

This participatory encyclopedia (Wikipedia) seems increasingly infiltrated by editors with a very specific mindset, which excludes neutrality.

An historian's perspective? Wikipedia, a democratic tool to defend
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
You post a link, I post another. Everyone has their own sources. 🙂
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Here, check out another one.

Or here.

Not sure you’ll like it any more than Wikipedia.

An article’s like a chocolate bar—you gotta read the wrapper first before deciding whether to take a bite.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
That’s not the norm for me. Hence my surprise.

First, I don’t know of them killing anyone—or maybe I just don’t understand what you’re talking about? 🤪

Do you think cremating bodies or eating them would be better? The norm of others seems strange to us, and it’s pointless to try to understand it—it’s legitimate by nature. This idea goes way back, from Herodotus to Montaigne and Lévi-Strauss.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Michel, I think you're a machine for testing the forum members' nerve endurance. 😄
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I think you're a machine for testing the nerves of forum users.

Actually, I really don’t see where your problem is.

Michel

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