So where are they and what are they doing?
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Translated into English.

AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Me neither. 🙂
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I think you're a machine for testing the forum members' nerve endurance.

Coming from you, that's pretty ironic. 😐
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
To each their own—it’s not just about politics! 😉
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hello,

I note that unlike us, you chose a blonde 🙂 https://www.revueconflits.com/giorgia-meloni-premier-bilan-apres-deux-ans-a-la-tete-de-litalie/

The "us" and "you" used that way only exist in your imagination. In my language, you chose the Italian blonde because that kind of politics is the only thing that suits you. The border is far less significant than the worldview.

About the article in the link... I’m too lazy (the morning alternative is diving into Quignard’s silence). So, I bet readers are educated enough to identify the author of the article and then see whether it’s information or propaganda.

Catherine
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Can we discredit or undermine the justice system in your opinion? I completely agree if, with blindfolded eyes and holding its scales, it produces unassailable and impartial judgments, if it doesn’t venture into political territory by trying to play kingmaker, thus overstepping into the executive branch:

Take the LePen ruling: what democrat can accept that in a legal consideration, a candidate is eliminated from a presidential election for the reason of disturbing public order? It makes me furious. If this measure affected Mélenchon or Macron, I’d be just as outraged! Almost as serious in the legal consideration, the judges ordered immediate ineligibility for a non-existent situation: LePen is no longer a European deputy and therefore cannot reoffend. The risk is ZERO!

If you respect this justice system, it’s not mine. In this case reheated at the right moment after 14 years, the three judges that day ruled in the name of the French people, and I was absent from my people. But let’s not get into the merits of the case, which still needs to be retried because it won’t change the legal considerations.

I’m not a legal expert, but I rely on the more authoritative opinions of Noëlle Lenoir, member of the Constitutional Council, and Maître Régis de Castelnault, author of the blog "Vu du droit" and yet a convinced Marxist.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Didn’t Marine Le Pen used to demand uncompromising justice for others?

This backlash is pretty amusing.

And her problem—and her party’s—isn’t the presidential election.

It’s the long months between now and the next vote.

Their ability to cause trouble has taken a serious hit.

A no-confidence motion that passes, Marine out of a job...

You think twice about things now.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Didn’t Marine Le Pen demand relentless justice for others?

Relentless doesn’t mean inconsistent in its reasoning: and honestly, whether it’s her or anyone else, this isn’t coherent. That’s what’s really worrying. Besides, the arrogance you’re showing is a powerful driver for backlash at the polls—would Trump have been elected in a landslide if the campaign to take him down, discredit him, and eliminate him hadn’t been so intense? Even on official French media: just listen to France Inter in the weeks before his election, or the same channel’s derisive, shameful remarks about Ms. Meloni.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Whatever you want, Michel. 😉

I don’t get this defense of the dark side, but you’re free to speak your mind just like I am.
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
That’s not the point—the justice system has to be FAIR, no matter who’s involved.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Whatever you say, Michel.😉 I don’t get this defense of the dark side, but you’re as free as I am to speak your mind.

You’re really diving into black-and-white thinking here. Rationality, justice as a concept, logical rigor—none of that seems to register with you, just because you’ve let yourself get worked up over a political speech you don’t even truly listen to yourself?

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Personally, I think it’s spot on.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Whatever you want, Michel. 🙂
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
As you like, Michel.🙂

Nothing uplifting about reading stuff like "useful idiots" who’ll soon be waving their self-righteousness like a banner, paving the way for populism to take power—all thanks to their blindness and dogmatism. (Just to clarify, "useful idiot" isn’t an insult but a well-known Marxist reference.)

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Whatever you say, Michel. :)
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
But the long months separating the National Rally from the next election. Their power to cause trouble is greatly diminished. A no-confidence motion that passes, a Marine out of a job...

Alert! Beep beep! Careful, the Godwin point is about to be reached here😉[;]
NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
If this measure affected Mélenchon or Macron, I’d be yelling just as loud!

We’re not exactly at risk of losing our voices, since I’d be surprised if this measure affected either of them. And since the first one (he’s not the only one) is useful to the second... [;]
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
In your view, can one discredit or denigrate the justice system? Absolutely agree—if, blindfolded and holding her scales, she delivers unassailable and impartial judgments, if she doesn’t venture into political territory by trying to crown kings, thus overstepping into the executive branch:

Take the LePen ruling: what democrat can accept that in a legal consideration, a candidate is eliminated from a presidential election on the grounds of disturbing public order? It makes me furious. If this measure had affected Mélenchon or Macron, I’d be just as outraged! Almost as serious in the ruling, the judges imposed immediate ineligibility for a scenario that doesn’t even exist: LePen is no longer a European deputy and therefore can’t reoffend. The risk is ZERO!

If you respect this justice system, it’s not mine. In this case, reheated at the right moment after 14 years, the three judges that day ruled in the name of the French people—and I wasn’t part of my people. But let’s not delve into the merits of the case, which still needs to be retried, as it won’t change the legal considerations anyway.

I’m not a legal expert, but I rely on the more authoritative opinions of Noëlle Lenoir, a member of the Constitutional Council, and Maître Régis de Castelnault, author of the blog "Vu du Droit" and yet a convinced Marxist.

Hi François,

I feel like I’m reading something straight out of Berlusconi...

And the sad denial of that old La Fontaine fable (Depending on whether you’re powerful...) because that’s the core of your argument: the blonde should’ve been acquitted of her misdeeds just because she’s surely running for president.

Was the law created solely to target her? Was the penalty invented just for her? If the answer to both questions is no, then there’s no issue. And if there is one, we can trust the justice system to adjust or overturn the ruling.

Either way, it might frustrate her personally from holding the presidential office and sadden her followers who see her as a natural leader, a maternal figure, whatever (they love their chiefs and guides), but it won’t stop her movement from seizing power by pulling all the victimization and conspiracy levers—basically, their bread and butter.

Catherine
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine...

Zorba isn’t talking about that—he’s addressing the legal grounds and explaining how absurd they are, like disturbing public order and repeat offenses. I share this view; moreover, I really struggle to even understand the offense itself. The European election is a party-list system; it makes perfect sense to me that elected officials would consider the funds allocated to them as intended for their party’s activities, whether at the European or national level. Given that, the fact that the penalty is as severe as possible and accompanied by an exceptional measure is indeed problematic.

And if there is one, you can trust the justice system to soften or overturn that ruling.

An immediate sentence with no possibility of a suspensive appeal—does that seem fair to you?

"but that won’t stop his movement from taking power by pulling all the victimization and conspiracy levers—basically, their usual playbook."

I still find it quite hard to follow your reasoning: the idea that the RN’s program, project, or vision could only become majority-backed through manipulation, a conspiracy, or cheating. What if that project actually gained majority support—what would be the problem? Reading you, I feel like I’m hearing that France Inter commentator who, every Friday morning, only had disdainful labels, sweeping generalizations, and dogmatism to try to banish any differing opinions.

Michel
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
I’m not a legal expert, but I’m relying on the more authoritative opinions of Noëlle Lenoir, a member of the Constitutional Council, and Maître Régis de Castelnault, author of the blog "Vu du Droit."

I’m not a legal expert either, but there are other authoritative opinions that support an equally legitimate argument...

Take the Le Pen ruling: what democrat can accept that in a legal consideration, a candidate for the presidential election is eliminated?

On this point, the clarification by Jean-Philippe Derosier, a professor of public law at the University of Lille and holder of the parliamentary studies chair:

"By arguing that it should be up to the people to decide Marine Le Pen’s fate, one is advocating for a partial and partisan popular justice. Should it be up to the people to judge all defendants? Should the people decide whether someone is a rapist, a murderer, or should be acquitted? And, in that case, based on what arguments and what framework?"

The judges imposed an immediate ineligibility for a non-existent situation: Le Pen is no longer a European MP and therefore cannot reoffend. The risk is ZERO!

"Marine Le Pen embezzled European Parliament funds for years and doesn’t seem to see the problem. The judge believes that if she doesn’t see it today, she likely won’t see it tomorrow either. There’s every chance she’ll perpetuate the system she put in place."

The second risk would be that she evades justice if elected President of the Republic, which would grant her immunity. ...

The sentence has political consequences... but should the judicial time submit to political time?

In this case, the organized embezzlement of public funds has been proven. In a healthy democracy, at the risk of further eroding citizens' trust in their representatives, shouldn’t that be enough to permanently bar the guilty party—or parties—from any political office, especially the highest one?
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Tatra beat me to it, but he summed up the situation well. Otherwise, I note that in a debate, it's important to mock the opponent—thanks for the Berlusconi reference. But I don’t care, it’s so ridiculous and off-topic. You really disappoint me; I expected more nuance from you.

Let’s stick to the actual issues; these issues are scandalous for a democracy. Mélenchon could be next on the list of prosecutions, and I’d feel the same outrage if he were treated the same way. That’s what democracy is. Note that the MODEM was prosecuted for the same reason; its leader Bayrou was cleared BECAUSE HE WASN’T AWARE OF THE ALLEGED MISCONDUCT IN HIS PARTY!! Who can believe that? He even became Prime Minister! It’s like Sarkozy, who wasn’t aware of the pharaonic spending in his election campaign.

Note that if, for the judge, Le Pen’s election would disrupt public order, Bardella’s election would also disrupt public order, as many civil servants have already announced they wouldn’t obey their new hierarchy. But Bardella is off the judge’s radar. What do we do? Block democracy under the threat of blackmail?

Finally, I’d like to make a point about the RN. It’s constantly ostracized, labeled as racist, anti-democratic, its leaders called evil, fascists... It’s become Pavlovian. The "Republican Parties" set up unnatural alliances as sanitary cordons against these "outcasts" in every election... Of course, everyone has the right to their opinion. But it’s worth noting that over the years, this party has fed off defections from the Communist Party and parts of the left through a communicating vessel. It’s become the party of the working class. Personally, I think it’s indecent to constantly spit on hardworking, modest citizens with limited means—those who feed us, care for us, build, transport, ensure our safety, and get pushed around on occasion.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Jean-Philippe Derosier’s opinion is irrelevant because no one asked the people to decide whether Marine Le Pen could run. That’s just hot air! This is a judicial matter.

All we know is that a court ruled Le Pen ineligible in its reasoning. The real question is: is that reasoning legitimate?
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening, The VFiennes are inspiring today. 🙂

In a healthy democracy, at the risk of further undermining citizens' trust in their representatives, shouldn’t this be enough to permanently bar the guilty party or parties from any claim to holding political office, especially when it comes to the highest position?

Well... How should I put this? I’m always wary of referring to a situation as "pure" or "healthy," or setting a perfect ideal, even as a "regulatory fiction," as someone once wrote. I’m also wary of idealistic positions without nuance, like the one you’re expressing here by emphasizing "permanently." I’m cautious because I remember Robert Badinter’s speech in October 1981 about justice being fallible by nature since it’s human, and thus should never ostracize without the possibility of return. Your idea would have kept A. Hitler out of power, certainly, and maybe B. Mussolini. But it would have also barred Vaclav Havel, Lech Walesa, Nelson Mandela, Lula da Silva, and Mario Soares from power. I don’t think it’s a good idea. Politics isn’t inherently a virtue contest.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
What’s the connection between the question asked in the introduction (and travel in general) and Marine Le Pen’s conviction?

Where is she, and what’s she up to?

Who cares.
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MA MaitairoaOff ·
“No one asked the people to decide whether Marine Le Pen could run for office.

In our country, which is certainly still far from perfect but is trying to get by as best it can, and in the name of a certain vision of "democracy," we already give the right to vote to the people—that is, to everyone... including that category of people who have no education/culture/political awareness or who still don’t understand the rules and principles by which justice is carried out!

... you wouldn’t seriously want, on top of that, to ask these people to write the law and dispense justice, would you?

"We only know that a court ruled Le Pen ineligible in its reasoning. The real question is: is that reasoning legitimate?"

In the Le Pen case, where the misuse of public funds has been proven (we know that too!), and even if it’s just hot air to you, court decisions only ever legitimately rely on the laws that define justice, which stipulate that, depending on the circumstances of the case, it’s up to the judges to decide whether or not to enforce the sanction immediately.

Whatever! 😎

What you’re doing, as is now both obvious and regrettable, is grossly and unfortunately confusing the concept of "justice" with that of "democracy."

Justice clearly isn’t made for you...

... hey, you should try economics—a fascinating field whose brilliant representative, John Maynard KEYNES, once said this truth: "You can’t make a donkey drink if it isn’t thirsty."

... it’s no coincidence: this specialty is made for you! 🙂
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Thank you for attributing all sorts of abilities to me, including the one of not understanding justice. You can add my difficulty in grasping the twists and turns of your reasoning.

Now it’s my turn to ask if you can understand a one-line text and respond without beating around the bush:

Are the court’s considerations legitimate?

(I’m not mentioning the embezzlement of funds but the immediate execution for possible disturbance of public order and cessation of the offense by someone who is no longer a European MP.)
MA MaitairoaOff ·
(I’m not mentioning embezzlement of funds but rather the immediate execution for possible disruption of public order and cessation of the offense by someone who is no longer a European MP)

... but who could very well become one again, whatever she says today!

The decision, which you claim to have read and understood, says nothing else:

"The existence of ongoing mandates, or even the intention to seek such mandates, is likely to perpetuate a risk of fraudulent use of public funds... and due to the disruption that would arise in this case from the fact that someone who has already been convicted at first instance—particularly to an additional penalty of ineligibility—could run for office, for example and notably in the presidential election, or even be elected."

So I don’t understand what you don’t understand...

... or perhaps I understand it all too well: your side and your sympathies have little regard for honesty, even intellectual honesty!
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Hello there. I don’t like your manners.
MA MaitairoaOff ·
... just because there are other stinky situations doesn’t take anything away from the one we’re talking about here! 😐
sourire ...
MA MaitairoaOff ·
Right back at you, sir, but that doesn’t mean I’m saying hello either!
sourire ...
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I wasn’t expecting anything more from this discussion.

And then Marine Le Pen wakes the dead...🙂
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Good evening Michel,

It’s very likely I have a distant view of this matter, which I’ve barely followed. Illegal use of funds, trial, conviction, sanction = ineligibility. Nothing surprising there. These "legal considerations" that seem to obsess you—and which I imagine are the subject of debate in France—are completely obscure to me.

The European election is a party-list vote; the idea that elected officials might consider the funds allocated to them as intended for their party’s activities, both at the European and national levels, seems perfectly understandable to me.

Don’t you have anything less specious to suggest? Because if everyone follows their own little logic, their personal interpretation—which has no reason to be common or shared—rather than the laws and regulations laid out to govern actions and behavior, it’s likely to create a magnificent mess.

An immediate penalty with no possibility of a suspensive appeal: does that seem consistent with the idea of justice to you?

No possibility to appeal?

I still find it quite hard to follow you: the idea that the RN’s program, project, or vision could only become majority-backed through manipulation, a conspiracy, or cheating. What if that project actually garnered majority support—what would the problem be? Reading you, I get the impression of hearing that France Inter commentator who, every Friday morning, only had scornful qualifiers, sweeping generalizations, and dogmatism on his lips to try to banish any thought different from his own.

It’s been 20 years since I last listened to France Inter. Or any French radio, except for nostalgia sometimes on long highway drives through the Massif Central, or a few France Culture podcasts about writers when I feel like hearing my native language.

On the other hand, I’m a bit surprised to see the same kind of rhetoric popping up here that I heard from Berlusconi for years: judges are in the pay of/complicit with my political enemies, who use them to take me down. That only reinforced his popularity among his supporters, convinced he was the victim of a plot by those terrible baby-eating communist-judicial types (and some people actually believed it without irony).

Catherine
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
in the name of a certain vision of "democracy," the right to vote is already given to the people, meaning everyone...

So, in plain terms, you want to take away the right to vote from the people if I understand correctly?

including that category of people who have no education/culture/political awareness

What category of people are we talking about here? In short, if I understand correctly, you’re taking part of the population for idiots? Or even bordering on considering the people who post on this forum... I wonder how the people who came before me didn’t pick up on this and let this argument slide.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello Catherine,

It’s very likely I have a distant view of this matter, which I’ve barely followed. Illegal use of funds, trial, conviction, sanction = ineligibility. Nothing surprising. These "findings" that seem to obsess you and that I imagine are the subject of debate in France are completely unclear to me.

Justice isn’t a mechanical process—it justifies its decisions and has broad discretion in choosing and applying sanctions. Here, it’s invoking reasons and considerations that simply don’t make sense. Do you know of any decisions that are accepted if they aren’t understood as making sense? I don’t. It’s precisely these differing assessments that, a few months ago, spared the current French prime minister from being convicted—or even rendered ineligible—for a very similar case involving the use of European funds for party operations.

No possibility of appealing the decision?

No, not when it comes to the immediate enforcement of ineligibility.

Michel
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
I noticed since I no longer keep in touch with that oddball.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
the judges are in the pay/complicit with my political enemies who are using them to take me down. Following Berlusconi

We absolutely cannot generalize; our country has many high-quality magistrates, and there’s no doubt that at the Court of Appeal level, their professionalism will correct the partisan bias and amateurism shown in this initial ruling.

I feel targeted as a "Berlusconi supporter." Yes, the man made me laugh, just like Meloni, for their quintessentially Italian character—much funnier than the dull figures running our country. When a journalist asked him why he had the ear of the Russian president or other world leaders, he replied, "It’s due to my charm." And Meloni, who shot Macron a withering look at a reception. It said it all—pure gold. I know I haven’t suffered under them and that we should look beyond the anecdotes. Still, I can’t help but smile.

Beyond the Le Pen case, there’s a broader movement to block political figures from running through legal means. We remember the Fillon affair, then Trump’s case, and now it’s spreading to Romania and Le Pen.

We should take note of former European Commissioner Thierry Breton’s comment (who, by the way, is Senegalese!???), which speaks volumes about the European Commission’s mindset:

In January 2025, on RMC, Thierry Breton claimed it would be possible to annul the results of the 2025 German federal elections if the AfD wins, thanks to the DSA, because it would be the result of foreign interference—referring to American entrepreneur Elon Musk’s support for Alice Weidel’s party: "We did it in Romania, and we’ll obviously have to do the same in Germany if necessary."[171], [172], [1. Source: Wikipedia

What’s the point of voting? (DSA: Digital Services Act)
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi!

There she invokes reasons and assessment elements that simply don’t make sense; do you know of any decisions that are accepted if they aren’t understood as making sense? I don’t.

Fortunately, Maitairoa (post 527) transcribed here the excerpt that’s causing such outraged reactions. I fully understand the reasoning: postponing the enforcement of the penalty until the appeal ruling could lead the country to have a head of state recognized as a criminal and ineligible. As a result, his voters would cling to the democratic mandate to defend him, while those who voted against him would rightly deny any legitimacy. Avoiding such a conflict for the country seems very sensible and rational to me.

It’s not the party or its ideas that are ineligible.

Catherine
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi,

Otherwise, we have to move past the Le Pen case, because there’s a movement to prevent political figures from running through legal means. We remember the Fillon affair, then it was Trump’s turn recently, then it affected Romania, and now Le Pen.

This is open to interpretation. My take is that political figures aren’t above the law.

And since Meloni makes you laugh, I’ll just say that here too, sometimes, it’s better to laugh than cry—to dilute the anger.

https://youtu.be/un6yUqy-mkM?si=L6Ep5cMhrXbJ0EOr

Catherine
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
You’re cruel because you shattered the image I had of Meloni that made me laugh, with that sketch—and I still didn’t even catch what she was saying. Fair game, though! Well played.

Of course, politicians aren’t above the law, especially when it comes to criminal matters. The issue is delicate because of Montesquieu’s separation of powers: Can a judge walk into the National Assembly to see how MPs’ allowances are being used? No. A president has even shut the doors of the National Assembly in a judge’s face. Can a parliamentary inquiry look into how judges’ offices and clerks operate? No. Can a judge decide who can run for president? I hope not—otherwise, that would be a major overreach of the judiciary into the executive branch.

As for message 527, sorry, but I don’t read it the same way as you. I don’t have a desperate need to be right, but what do I see? Simply an assumption of intent and amateurism from the judge: if we let this elected official get re-elected, she’ll do it again! Does the judge have psychic powers? What does she know about Le Pen’s intentions? She’s just making assumptions.

That’s not how the law works. If authorities found out you *wanted* to rob the Bank of Italy, they couldn’t do anything but wait to catch you in the act—after wiretapping your calls, for example.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I haven’t paid much attention to MLP’s judicial case. She was particularly bad during her two televised debates for the presidential election runoff, which, in my opinion, completely undermines her credibility—if she ever had any to begin with. This party is nothing more than a small family business that’s been keeping its members fed for decades, and that’s about it. Expecting this party to win is as naive as the Greeks who voted for the far left a few years ago. Once in power, it took them just two days to do the same as—or worse than—their predecessors. Indeed, all it takes is a threat from the Americans to let things slide or to raise interest rates, and everyone obediently falls back in line. It’s pretty much for the same reasons that Islamist infiltration is only half-heartedly fought: the Gulf monarchies lend us hundreds of millions every weekend to balance our banks’ books, or else one fine Monday morning, we’d wake up to some very nasty surprises. This is the aftermath of the 2008 disaster, where we’re trying to patch up—or rather delay—the inevitable consequences with quick fixes and endless money printing, the LAST thing we should be doing (see the 1930s).

We also have to consider the issue of campaign financing. If politicians stuck to what’s legally allowed, they wouldn’t make it. That’s why we hear stories about Pasqua’s bag carriers for Chirac, the Khadafi-Sarkozy affair, and suspicions of Algerian funding for Macron—all of which shed interesting light on Manu’s strange benevolence toward that country.

On another note, our universities and justice system have swung completely to the left. You’d be shocked if you really knew what goes on there. More than ever, rulings reflect judges’ moral principles rather than the actual application of the law. The explanation? After nearly half a century of freedoms—which also had the perverse effect of eroding national pride, order, discipline, analysis, organization, and foresight—many people have become progressive, ultra-leftist, or even anarchist. After being stuck under authoritarian rule for so long, the pendulum has swung straight into carelessness, slowly leading us toward third-world status.

What’s more, 99% of humanity are just pawns on the chessboards of a few. The entire West is now nothing more than the lackey of the Anglo-Saxons, while most people’s reasoning is black-and-white—pro or anti—with no nuance or real dialogue. Individualism has made almost everyone narrow-minded, sectarian, bitter, and vindictive. That’s why it’s pointless to hope for a real dialogue with opponents, especially since some seem completely unhinged based on the style and substance of their responses.

No matter what individual efforts or election results we see, we’re once again caught in one of history’s cycles, heading toward a major clash. After which, it might be possible to temporarily rebuild on solid foundations. Then again, maybe not—the worst is never certain.
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Not bad! I mostly agree with your analysis, except for:

suspicions of Algerian funding for Macron, which shed interesting light on Manu’s strange benevolence toward that country

The reason is different, but I can’t talk about it without being labeled a dreadful conspiracy theorist.

As for the Le Pen family, it’s damning that we can only have these people as the main opposition. And Bardella? An RN member once let slip that he’s a bit of a fool. If I focus on exposing the flaws in MLP’s conviction, it’s not for her sake, but because of my idea of justice and to warn about the serious danger threatening our democracy. See Thierry Breton and the European Community. Anyway, I can’t support a party that seeks recognition from a country that massacres women and children.

Still, I’ll tell you a great story: under the Fourth Republic, France was in even worse shape. General de Gaulle came to power and appointed Jacques Rueff as Finance Minister. Rueff turned the accounts around and paid off the debt. As a result, the General had the means to kick the Americans out. What followed were massive infrastructure programs that we still benefit from today, along with widespread decolonization. Who today could rise to that challenge? On the other hand, I foolishly believe the French people are extraordinarily talented, but they need to be inspired and deserve leaders worthy of them.
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
"Which man or woman can take up the challenge today?" It might take a while—we can wait, chat, and keep discussing endlessly, because in France, we only get a great statesman every 3-4 centuries. The last one was C. de Gaulle.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
The last one being C. De Gaulle.

Few of us here knew him. For my part, three months—I don’t even remember...

Not sure he’d be a big hit in today’s world.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
it’s futile to hope for a dialogue with opponents

I share this view.

That’s why it’s completely pointless to go on and on about divisive topics for pages. Nobody will convince anyone, and the only result will be tearing each other apart.

What brings us together on this forum is travel.

Even if we don’t all define that word the same way.

some seem pretty out there

Makes sense to be out there when so many traps are being set...
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MA MaitairoaOff ·
Please don’t hold me responsible for what you don’t understand, misunderstand, or only interpret through the lens of your personal analysis.

I don’t see how trying to educate people could take anything away from them!
sourire ...
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Please don’t hold me responsible for what you don’t understand, misunderstand, or only interpret through the lens of your personal analysis:

Oh, I understand perfectly—what I get is that you’re taking the members of this forum for idiots. Well, if that’s your stance, you’ll end up isolating yourself. If everyone on a forum speaks with one voice, I don’t see the point of exchanging ideas 😉
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Do you know of any decisions that are accepted if they don’t make sense? I don’t.

hmm, the fact that laws are full of jargon and written in such a cryptic language that only legal experts can decipher and understand is something I realized a long time ago ;) It’s for sure that reading a law text is like reading Chinese to me.
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
Whether we knew him or not isn’t the point. I didn’t know him either. It’s more about what remains of what he did and put in place. "A recipe for today’s world," and yet he’s constantly referenced—of course, you have to put things in the context of the time, and objectively recognize what he did for his country.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine,

I fully understand the meaning: postponing the enforcement of the sentence until the appeal ruling could lead the country to have a head of state recognized as a criminal and ineligible. As a result, his voters will cling to the democratic anointing to defend the leader, while those who voted against him will rightly deny any legitimacy. Wanting to spare the country such a conflict seems very sensible and rational to me.

I find this shocking, and even quite serious. In my opinion, the justice system shouldn’t interfere or interpolate like this out of precaution or anticipation of voters' possible choices. The people are sovereign.

Michel
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
This discussion has basically become my daily press review, complete with a diversity of opinions and varying levels of engagement.

Michel, I think you're a machine designed to test the forum members' nerve endurance.

A degenerative AI? 🤪

#You'reRightMichel is the new trending hashtag? 😮

I wasn't expecting anything more from this discussion.

And then MaitairoaOn showed up... 😉
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
#TuAsRaisonMichel is the new trendy hashtag? 😮

Saves you from racking your brain for nothing! 😉

And then Maitairoa showed uuup... 😉

But where was he and what was he doing all this time?😮
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