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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
How do you expect me to find my soulmate on VF after this revelation!

Hi Zorba, sorry for shocking you and for being a bit provocative.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
You're welcome, I like a bit of banter too.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
You're welcome, I like provocation too.

Ladies and gentlemen of the censors and fair-weather friends, we salute you! 😉
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Are you on bad terms with some people on this forum?

Just 1,299,999, practically nothing.

Plus the other 2,000 😛
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi everyone, I just stumbled upon this discussion a bit by chance, since I don’t come to the forum much anymore. I was on another planet in Thailand, and I’m having a hard time coming back to reality. I’m struggling to "find myself" in India. It’s tough to let go of all my emotional and cultural ties. I still have a long way to go in another life to reach "Enlightenment."

I devoured all 13 pages in one go, like a book you can’t put down. You often made me smile with your discussions and your certainties—everyone mixed together—and I even laughed out loud a few times. It was really interesting to read everything at once because you could see personalities and character traits emerge as the pages went by.

I almost jumped in several times but decided to hold back so I wouldn’t interrupt my reading. Mostly, I didn’t want to take part in the debate. I was watching from the outside, like you might watch what’s happening in the street from your window without intervening. A bit like how I looked at my past life and the last moments I lived when an anesthesiologist coldly told me to prepare my will and final wishes if I had any, because I had a strong chance of not waking up. It’s a strange feeling when a doctor tells you flat-out: you’ll most likely be dead in a few days. You’re living your last days... It changes a person. And once you do wake up, you end up with a whole new philosophy on life—and on the stupid, pointless arguments with this or that person.

Still, I wanted to share my experience since the topic came up several times in this discussion. I now live with three little tubes in my coronary arteries, and one part of the network is too fragile to be protected any other way than medically. Arteries 90% blocked. “We’re amazed you’re not dead...” Three doctors said the same thing to me. Three cardiologists out of five, including two Indian ones, and two French general practitioners acknowledged it was a side effect of the “famous” vaccine. I won’t say more to avoid reigniting the debate here, but I wanted to share my story anyway.

I had planned to talk about my experiences with hospitalizations and surgeries in an Indian hospital. Because I’ve never seen that kind of story here on VF. I wanted to talk about the hesitation from my insurance company, which almost left me to die on the spot. I thought it could be an interesting account for travelers in similar situations.

Then my ban from the forum in November, and the weeks that followed, killed any desire I had to share it once I was “rehabilitated.” I’ve taken a bit of distance from VF, even if I can’t bring myself to leave completely. Kola once wrote to me: “It seems obvious to me, as I’ve often said: Voyage Forum is a diabolical forum.”

Still, I’m addicted to VF and will probably write again, but I need to find the "drive" to do it. I have so little time left to live with a sword of Damocles hanging over my head, and I don’t want to waste my energy on stupid, pointless arguments in real life or in the “vir...tual” one.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
For the tips, don’t worry, they’re solid! I’ve had one for 18 years—it’s never been replaced. 🙂
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MA Marien33 Veteran ·
For the tips, don’t worry, they’re solid! I’ve had one for 18 years—it’s never been replaced.🙂

Thanks Agnès, yeah, I know. Normally, that’d be fine, but my situation’s a bit special—I won’t go into details here... But now I’m doing great, full of energy, and ready to travel, hike, and do all sorts of things in life
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IV IvanBahiaGde ·
Oh yeah, Joël... We see the same thing on all travel forums and ESPECIALLY on those that have deactivated. It makes sense 😅 Plus, we have to admit that COVID really messed everything up across all sectors. Those who hung on and stayed active online are suffering the least (I think). Tropical greetings from Salvador, @ivanbahiaguide

... Yet, to my great surprise, I see fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new members logging in, and I see a number of connected members who don’t participate or no longer participate.

Something escapes me because, in my opinion, VF is attractive, and I don’t see which other sites could compete.

Was there a real break between pre- and post-COVID? Does it still take time for some to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer a form of quick consumption on sites like FB or others I don’t know? Where have the old-timers of the site gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on?
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Good evening, The economic newspaper *Les Échos* titled "the week of all dangers" with Trump’s antics and the consequences—I wonder if this isn’t going to affect international tourism in the long run. Just for people wanting to travel to the U.S., there’s already a drop in visitor arrivals.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Every week feels like a risk, especially when you run into the wrong people on a forum 🤪
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hey Jojoone okay, fair enough, there are people who sometimes behave badly on this forum. But I didn’t express myself well. Expecting a huge financial storm next week that’s gonna wipe everything out... we might all end up on the streets if that happens. Maybe a remake of the 1929 crisis 🤪 .No more money for pensions, social security, etc...
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Yeah, they played with our money, but we’ll be the ones footing the bill...
« Tout le monde s'interroge sur comment laisser une meilleure planète à nos enfants, mais on devrait plutôt penser à laisser de meilleurs enfants pour notre planète. » Clint Eastwood
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Trump is looking more and more like a windmill.

we’re all gonna end up on the streets if this keeps up.

Around 40% of French people own their homes (with no mortgage in progress).

Okay, the near future doesn’t smell great, but my fellow countrymen’s natural pessimism isn’t helping anything.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
evening,

Well, the near future doesn’t exactly smell great, but my fellow countrymen’s natural pessimism isn’t helping anything.

Once the Trump storm passes, I’m absolutely sure a period of relative prosperity will follow in France :P Comparable to the *Belle Époque*.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Trump is looking more and more like a windmill.

we’re all gonna end up on the streets if this keeps up.

Around 40% of French people own their homes (with no mortgage left).

Okay, the near future doesn’t smell great, but my fellow countrymen’s natural pessimism doesn’t help anything.

I guess homeowners without a mortgage are probably older.

The younger generations are getting screwed...
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BA Bauhaus Veteran ·
... Was there really a break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it still take time for some to discover the site or learn it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I don’t know? Where have the old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time? What’s actually going on?

Hi Joël,

I’d love to say I’m still here, class of 2005 😄, more active since last fall. I’ve been lucky enough to help a few French tourists make their trips to La Belle Province more enjoyable. 🚗🚗

Here in Quebec, I think I can say there’s definitely been some kind of break after Covid-19. 😔 It’s really sad 😢

Humbly, I think it’ll take a long time to revive this amazing site that is VF. I’m trying, with my modest means, to spark interest by attempting to recruit. On this side, several traveler groups have popped up on Facebook. Nothing comparable, though. But it’s tough to turn the tide. 🧑🏽‍🔧

With the change in attitude from our American neighbors, I hope VFers will take the chance to visit Quebec. For my part, I’m slowly preparing for another trip in 2026. There’s still so much to see here 😄

Greetings and long live Voyage Forum ❤️❤️

PS No matter what was said or happened, I’m thinking of the family and loved ones of the one who had the brilliance to create Voyage Forum. May he rest in peace 🕊️
BAUHAUS 🙂
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
People of a certain age were young once too... And they also faced difficulties back then.

In the end, discrimination between people is more tied to inheritance than to age.

It’s normal to be better off at 40 than at 20. But inheriting a million or nothing at all—that’s a whole different story... (No personal merit in that. You either win the birth lottery or you don’t...)
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
True. I would’ve loved to be born rich—unfortunately, I was only born handsome and smart. 😏
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
And modest! 😛

A bit ape-like, don’t you think?😮
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
And a bit monkey-like, no?

Does that mean Mr. Jojoone is an old monkey who doesn’t need anyone to teach him how to make faces? Better express the heart of your thought, haha, laule
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Actually, I was teaching Miss Attila how to lighten the mood. It might come in handy someday 😛
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Old, apparently—he removed his age from his profile! 😮 Monkey, well, that’s obvious just from his avatar. 😄

Joël seems, like you and me, no spring chicken! 😉
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Speaking of old age, an African proverb says: a wise elder who passes away is like a library burning down.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
People who are a certain age were young once too... And they also faced difficulties.

After all, discrimination between people is more linked to inheritance than to age.

It’s normal to be better off at 40 than at 20. But inheriting a million or nothing—that’s a whole different story... (No personal merit in that. You either win the birth lottery or you don’t...)

Yeah, it was the lottery, but people also work to leave something for their kids—it’s natural, let’s say.

Yeah, older generations struggled too, but in the meantime, there was a generation that had easier access to homeownership, less unemployment, and a pension.

My grandma worked her whole life for an average salary but admits things were simpler back then. They could afford housing, travel (though it was more expensive than now), and she’s been receiving a pension for 30 years and was able to be in a decent nursing home.

My mom had a harder time in life, and I worry about where she’ll end up given the current state of nursing homes and the healthcare system.

As for me, I don’t even ask the question anymore 😅

But I’m not here to pit generations against each other. It’s just an observation. Every era has its own struggles, of course.
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DJ Djackx67 Veteran ·
One thing is certain, and I’ve noticed it clearly while traveling: the break between pre- and post-COVID is DEEP, and contrary to what people say like "yeah, it’s all behind us," absolutely not! It’s not behind us at all. COVID keeps coming up in conversations, and with the side effects of vaccines—which are everywhere—this period isn’t closed at all (obviously, it’s only in France where this topic is TOTALLY taboo).

Anyway, this ties into another post about COVID—has it changed how we travel? Personally, it’s mostly my view of others that’s completely changed. Realizing a friend can turn overnight into a paranoid snitch, and conversely, someone I didn’t particularly like showing kindness and tolerance… And given the debates we had on this topic on this forum before it closed… it’s clear many won’t be coming back.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
it’s clear that many won’t be coming back

Indeed, the founder’s stances on this topic left a lasting impression and didn’t exactly encourage some to reactivate their participation.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Meanwhile, there’s a generation that had easier access to stability, less unemployment, and a retirement

This generation was born before, during, or just after the war.

Personally, I’d rather have lived through the AIDS years, unemployment, and a reduced pension than have had to experience war, the Nazis, and post-war reconstruction.

My father used to fetch coal from the cellar, and the toilet was on the landing. My mother survived because she won the "Rh factor lottery," but her brothers and sisters died because medicine back then was powerless.

I’ve always had a bathroom (which wasn’t the case for everyone in my generation...), I never heard bombs, and medicine saved me from a heart attack that would’ve been fatal just a few years earlier. I had access to a checkbook without asking for permission, I could choose my profession, and my generation had access to the pill and abortion.

There are definitely advantages to being part of Generation X, Y, Z, or even Alpha.

And if older generations are often better off, it’s also because they were much more like ants than grasshoppers. Back then, if you bought a piece of clothing, you either made it yourself or bought it to last a lifetime. The same went for everything else—which explains the overwhelming decor in some properties for sale... No flight tickets, no vacations if you didn’t have the money. It was considered total luxury. Same for TVs, phones, etc. People housed themselves, heated their homes, ate, dressed, and walked a lot more than today. Entertainment was more about conversations by the fire than the latest Taylor Swift concert. And the Livret A savings account grew...

Consumer society exploded in the 90s. And with it came resentment...
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello Agnès,

I don’t really know how old you are—56, I think I read? Just a bit younger than me, so our experiences should overlap.

We could look at things in terms of freedoms and point out their steady decline over at least the past decade, but let’s consider them in terms of consumption, which you trace back to the 1990s. Your childhood was in the 1970s. So you knew a world where everyone assumed their salary would be higher next year, where changing jobs was as simple as asking, and where, thanks to inflation, bank loans let you build a house that you’d actually end up paying very little for. Those were years of consumption, of innovations that drove purchases. Your neighbors probably weren’t that different from mine—they’d switch cars often to have the latest model. Don’t tell me there wasn’t ready-to-wear fashion back then! Like me, you had measles and chickenpox, and you were encouraged to "get them over with" at the age when it was normal. To have experienced bombings, our parents must have lived in very specific places—Brest, Lorient, Dunkirk—and the reconstruction was mostly to keep up with the population boom. There were no cultivated fears back then; the media still had opinions, and the disastrous (and soon-to-be misused) "precautionary principle" hadn’t yet become dogma.

Michel
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Personally, I’d rather have lived through the AIDS years, unemployment, and a reduced pension than have had to experience war, the Nazis, and post-war reconstruction.

Wait a bit on retirement—just wait till you see the travel budget! 😛[;]
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
For retirement, wait a bit—you’ll see the travel budget!

Not all retirees are struggling either... At least, not up until now. 😉 We might end up not getting any retirement benefits at all. That’s a possibility.
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
hi,

It’s not at all behind us—COVID keeps coming up in conversations, along with vaccine side effects,

I’m totally clueless about this. Do people around you talk about it?! Do you think this vaccine has more side effects than others?

this period isn’t at all over (it’s obviously only in France where this topic is TOTALLY taboo).

I don’t hear about it at all around me. Then again, I’m a bit cut off from civilization.

Anyway, this ties into another post about COVID—has it changed how we travel?... Personally, it’s mostly my view of others that’s completely changed. Knowing that a friend can turn into a paranoid snitch overnight, and vice versa—someone I didn’t particularly like showing kindness and tolerance...

Are you talking about on VF or in everyday life? As for me, I don’t think I’ve been the target of snitching, but it’s possible I wouldn’t know. Either way, no consequences for my life. In my village, we’ve always helped each other... And we kept living like before.
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
My grandmother worked her whole life for an average salary but admits that things were simpler back then. They could afford housing and travel

Mine crossed all of Europe from east to west... not for fun. She was made to retrace the journey by train in the opposite direction but never returned. 🙁 Otherwise, I don’t think our grandmothers—most of them, anyway—traveled much for leisure!
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
My father was born in March 1940 in the south of France. They had to flee on foot from Alsace. He was born in the seventh month of pregnancy and was so small he fit into a shoebox.

I knew my great-grandmother until I was six. When there were thunderstorms on summer evenings and everything was shaking, it was something to see her in front of the candles, expecting to be struck by lightning at any moment and praying to Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

It’s certain that in the 60s, the very first family vacations in a Peugeot 404 all the way to the Côte d'Azur were an absolute blast. It’s crazy how much I loved the smell of the 404’s plastic under the sun.

I had a great idea opening this thread. Anyone else want to share their story?
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
I had a really great idea opening this thread. Anyone else want to confess?

That’s totally it!
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
So you knew a world where everyone knew that next year, their salary would be higher, where everyone knew that if they wanted to change jobs, all they had to do was ask, where, with inflation helping, bank loans allowed you to build a house that you actually paid very little for. Years of consumption, of innovations that drove purchases.

It’s certain that from 1 to 10 years old, I asked myself all these questions...😄

I knew a world dominated by AIDS, mass unemployment, and the hangover from the early Mitterrand years. I knew a world where retirement went from 60 years old and 37.5 years of contributions without penalties to 64 years old and 43 years of contributions with penalties... (Maybe even more, since I still have a few years left to work)

To have experienced bombings, our respective parents would have had to live in very specific places,

Dieppe and Alsace... Very quiet places...🤪

with inflation helping, bank loans allowed you to build a house that you actually paid very little for.

And what if you weren’t a homeowner?

Years of consumption, of innovations that drove purchases.

Black-and-white TV until 1981, no phone before 1976, an apartment that stayed the same in its decor until 1989... A Simca 1000 for the whole family. Come on, we had a state-of-the-art hi-fi system!

And above all, we went on vacation... That was the main difference between my parents and my grandparents. But going on vacation meant saving more... More ants than cicadas, but not quite there yet.

Consumption came later. In 1970, we were equipping ourselves. In 1990, we were consuming. In 2020, we’re overconsuming.

they played at changing cars often to have the nicest one, the latest model

I have absolutely no idea.

don’t tell me there was no ready-to-wear.

There was, but not Shein or Temu... It was sturdy, long-lasting, stuff you bought at the start of the school year and wore all year... But for my parents’ generation, the Singer sewing machine worked just fine...

There were no cultivated fears

Oh really?

And what about the Cold War?

The big bad communist wolf versus the big bad capitalist wolf?

the media still had opinions

Do *L'Heure des Pros* and *C dans l'air* push the same ideas? Have you read or watched all the print newspapers, TV, TikTok, YouTube, etc.? Is it the same narrative everywhere?

I don’t get that impression.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
For retirement, just wait a bit—you’ll see the travel budget! 😛😉

There are tons of discounts for seniors! 😛

But for skiing, you’ve gotta wait until 75 or even older to get a seriously cheap—or even free—pass...😕

Must not cost them too much!😏
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
My father was born in March 1940 in the south of France. They had to flee on foot from Alsace. He was born at 7 months and was so small he fit in a shoebox.

We have some things in common...

By the way, this has nothing to do with it, but I was wondering,



Was it after your last trip to Thailand that these signs were put up?[;]
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Now that’s a full-on attack if I ever saw one! 😉

First off, there’s a mistake—it’s langurs, not rangurs (though that’s not unusual). But more importantly, I have no idea why you’d need to be wary of the most peaceful monkey I know. You just have to avoid giving them peanuts because it gets them way too hyper. Actually, I suspect that food is harmful to them.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I have absolutely no idea why we should be wary of the most peaceful monkey I know.

I don’t know either—they’ve been really quiet! !
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
But for skiing, you’ve gotta wait until 75 or even older to get a truly cheap—or even free—pass...😕 It can’t cost them too much!😏

good evening, who offers these kinds of discounts? It’s not a bad idea, actually—it’s a solution for the retirement problem. At 75, you go skiing, have a serious accident because you’re not in the shape you were at 20, end up in the hospital with an open fracture, it gets infected, and you kick the bucket right after—ha ha ha 😛
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Well, the ski area...
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Ben, the ski area.

The info is cut off, and the local source corrects it: While resorts often offer free passes for those over 75 (and I admit it can’t cost them much), most of them give discounts starting at 60—can’t wait!
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UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi

Your childhood was in the 1970s. You lived in a world where everyone knew their salary would be higher next year, where changing jobs was as simple as asking, and where, thanks to inflation, bank loans let you build a house that you’d actually pay very little for. Those were years of consumption, of innovations that drove purchases. Your neighbors probably weren’t much different from mine—they loved switching cars often to get the latest model. Don’t tell me there wasn’t ready-to-wear fashion back then. Like me, you had measles and chickenpox, encouraged to "get them over with" at the age when it was normal. To have experienced bombings, our parents must have lived in very specific places—Brest, Lorient, Dunkirk—and reconstruction was mainly needed to keep up with population growth. There were no cultivated fears back then. The media still had opinions, and the sinister, soon-to-be-misused "precautionary principle" hadn’t yet become dogma.

Hmm, my most striking memory of the past is the *obligation* of human interaction. Even if it was superficial or scripted. I still can’t get over the fact that outside my circle of friends and family, all I deal with now are FAQs and an endless maze of voicemail menus. It feels like I’ve landed in some shriveled-up sci-fi novel (a genre I’ve never liked, by the way).

Catherine
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DJ Djackx67 Veteran ·
Well, good for you. As for not hearing about it around you, honestly, it doesn’t surprise me... we’re in France.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
there are discounts starting at age 60 in most of them; I can’t wait!

Yeah, but it’s not a big discount like it is for seniors. 😉

For example, in Tignes, you save 72 € if you’re 65, but 426 € if you’re 75... (for 7 days)

You still see some seniors on skis, though. (I go off-season)

But I don’t think they’re skiing non-stop from 9 AM to 5 PM in all weather!
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
where, with inflation helping, bank loans allowed you to build a house that you actually paid very little for.

And what about the work needed in that house 20 years after buying it? 🤪 This logic made sense 20 years ago, but now it's completely outdated. The simple reason is that if you buy a home, not only do you have to do renovations years later, but on top of that, you have to bring it up to code just to get a good Energy Performance Certificate (DPE). Without a DPE with a good score, you’ll sell your home for next to nothing and lose all the money you’ve invested. And if you want to do any work, the cost of a tradesperson today is obviously not the same as in the 70s.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Meanwhile, there was a generation that had easier access to stability, less unemployment, and a retirement.

This generation was born before, during, or just after the war.

Personally, I’d rather have lived through the AIDS years, unemployment, and a reduced pension than have had to experience war, the Nazis, and reconstruction.

My father used to fetch coal from the cellar, and the toilet was on the landing. My mother survived because she won the "Rh factor lottery," but her brothers and sisters died because medicine was powerless back then.

I’ve always had a bathroom (which wasn’t the case for everyone in my generation...), I never heard bombs, and medicine saved me from a heart attack that would’ve been fatal just years earlier. I had access to a checkbook without asking for permission, I could choose my profession, and my generation had access to the pill and abortion.

There are plenty of advantages to being part of Generation X, Y, Z, or even Alpha.

And if older generations are often better off, it’s also because they were much more ants than grasshoppers. Back then, if you bought clothes, you made them yourself or bought them to last a lifetime. Same for everything else—which explains the overwhelming decor in some properties for sale... No flight tickets, no vacations if you didn’t have money. It was considered total luxury. Same for TVs, phones, etc. You housed yourself, heated your home, ate, dressed, and walked way more than today. Entertainment was more about conversation by the fire than the latest Taylor Swift concert. And the Livret A savings account grew...

Consumer society exploded in the 90s. And brought resentment with it.

Hmm... Real estate has only gone up, and young people can’t afford housing anymore—that’s real. Unemployment is skyrocketing.

My grandmother was very young during the war; she doesn’t remember much.

My mother struggled a bit, but less than my generation and the ones coming after. Etc.

True, traveling is easier now—that’s at least the positive side!
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
A woman’s independence, medical advances, technological innovations—none of that matters compared to the fact that real estate is more expensive now?

In the Middle Ages, a roof probably cost less too, but weirdly, I’d still rather live today.

(After the war, you couldn’t find housing either because of all the destruction... And then the repatriates from Algeria must’ve been *thrilled* in their shantytowns...)

You’re so focused on real estate that you’re forgetting everything else, like it’s some kind of given.

And anyway, the baby boomers are a dying generation. Soon, you won’t have anyone left to envy.
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
In the Middle Ages,

Let’s not dismiss the Middle Ages! It was a period of history that left us Notre-Dame de Paris, among so many other things. Over a thousand years, the men and women of the Middle Ages had plenty of time to create and invent!

And then, baby boomers are a generation on the way out.

Thanks for the reminder! 😎

You won’t have anyone left to envy soon

Yeah, yeah, don’t worry—we’ll be clearing out soon enough. Haha! 😛
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
In a thousand years, the men and women of the Middle Ages had plenty of time to produce and invent!

Maybe, but people didn’t live long back then. And, much more than today, you had to win the birth lottery...

Thanks for reminding us! Cool

My turn will come next, then Miranda’s.😉

At least, that’s how logic would have it.

Though I might end up being the next Jeanne Calment, or you might become a super-centenarian.

I’m not sure if that’d be good news.
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