So where are they and what are they doing?
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Yeah, yeah, don’t worry, we’ll be out of your hair soon. Haha! 😛

Oh, please, no! A Herodotus leaving is like the Library of Alexandria going up in flames.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
After that, I might be the next Jeanne Calment or you might be a super-centenarian.

That’s funny, I pictured you more as Jeanne Annoying
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Maybe, but people didn’t live long back then either.

True, but not any less than in the 18th century—or even, to some extent, the 19th. What I mean is, we tend to associate the words "medieval" or "Middle Ages" with obscurantism, which isn’t fair. It’s all thanks to Renaissance scholars who coined the term "Gothic" as an insult. Let’s give the Middle Ages the credit it deserves!

But we’re getting off track...
https://www.myatlas.com/Herodote
HE Herodotos Regular ·
it’s a Library of Alexandria going up in flames.

No, it’s way more than that—it’s the BNF and the Library of Congress disappearing, come on! 😛
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Maybe, but people didn’t often live to a ripe old age back then.

True, but no more than in the 18th century and, to some extent, the 19th. What I mean is that we tend to associate the words "medieval" and "Middle Ages" with obscurantism, which isn’t accurate. It’s all thanks to the Renaissance men who invented the term "Gothic" out of disdain. Let’s restore the Middle Ages to its rightful glory!

The idea we have of "time passing" makes me smile... First of all, time doesn’t flow—it’s *us* moving through it... What will our descendants say about our era when they can live to 120 or 130 years old? With twenty years or more (very likely) spent in a wheelchair in a grim nursing home? Euthanasia will be on the agenda, and many will certainly ask to end things sooner than planned! What’s the difference between 40 years or 85 years in the face of infinity? None. When life expectancy was 40 or 50 years, people lived their lives just as fully as they do today with a life expectancy of 75 or 80 years... The perception of "time passing" could have been different. And when the end was near in the Middle Ages, I think the idea of impending death was more accepted (at least by most) than it is today...
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Women's independence, medical advances, technological innovations—none of that matters compared to the fact that real estate is more expensive?

In the Middle Ages, a roof must have cost less too, but strangely enough, I prefer living now.

(After the war, you couldn’t find housing either because of the destruction... And then the repatriated Algerians must have been thrilled in their shantytowns...)

You’re focusing on real estate and forgetting everything else, as if it were a given.

And besides, the baby boomers are a dying generation. Soon, you won’t have anyone to envy.

Oh, it’s not about envy. Every generation has its problems. We’ve made undeniable progress socially—being gay, child-free, or just different is way less frowned upon. We’re making strides in gender equality. When you love traveling, you see it’s more accessible now.

But we’re regressing in other areas. Real estate is just a symptom. Before, one salary was enough to support a family modestly, and now two salaries aren’t even cutting it.

Everything’s becoming more unstable—work, housing, relationships, you name it.

There’s never been so much depression. Sure, people talked about it less before... And the skyrocketing insecurity.

Anyway, I won’t go on and on.

What really gets to younger people is the moralizing from boomers who are completely out of touch with reality (no one in particular).

On the other hand, we’re heading toward a healthcare crisis because soon there’ll be too many "old people" compared to the working population, and I’m not sure how that’s going to play out.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Before, one salary was enough to simply support a family without excess

Really without excess. A life no one would want today: mom in the kitchen, doing laundry, ironing, shopping, cleaning... dad at work then feet under the table... kids at attention... A little movie now and then, but no other paid activities. Card games, board games, reading, TV in tiny doses, walking, etc. I don’t know if people under 30 could handle it?

Even in my parents' time, one salary wasn’t enough anymore.

And then, one salary meant the end of the other’s independence, leaving them high and dry in case of divorce. A great way to exert pressure.

Everything is becoming more and more unstable—work, housing, couples, etc.

It’s also because people allow it. A society of constant zapping where we no longer know how to be bored.

And besides, not all older folks ended their careers in the same place. In times of full employment, you’d slam the door if you weren’t happy and go somewhere else. Lifetime housing didn’t exist either. You might start more modestly: a studio, then a two-room apartment, and eventually a house. As for divorces, it was better not to know what was really going on in couples...

When it comes to work, door-slamming is making a comeback. It’s very hard to retain younger generations.

There have never been so many depressions.

It seems to me that the depressive side of the French isn’t new. It’s not even linked to the standard of living. I think a lot of undocumented immigrants are much less depressed than salaried workers earning 3000 €.

I don’t know what’s wrong. Why does this nation see the glass as half-empty rather than half-full? I get the impression that developed countries aren’t swimming in happiness, as if they’ve forgotten how to enjoy life’s little joys.

Rising insecurity too.

This point is indeed quite sensitive. It’s especially a certain violence that stands out. But didn’t it exist before? Today, every incident makes the headlines, whereas yesterday it would’ve just been three lines in the local rag.

What really annoys younger people, though, is the moralizing from boomers completely out of touch with reality (no offense to anyone).

I think this phrase works both ways...

And besides, the generational conflict has always existed.

Yesterday, we’d say "yes, grandpa" and do the opposite. Today, we say what we think. It’s certainly less hypocritical, but it creates more tension...

Soon, there’ll be too many "old people" compared to the working population

Not if we open the tap to selective immigration.

And besides, boomers are the last to have had a fairly healthy life in their youth (non-industrial food, physical activity...). I think other generations will have more trouble reaching old age. Especially the most recent ones, where obesity is starting to cause real damage.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I don’t know what’s wrong. Why does this nation see the glass as half empty rather than half full?

Because men and women belong to a nation, to a people, when it feels like an obvious truth to them—when it’s tied to an ethnicity, a language, a culture, often a religion, and, to put it bluntly, blood. You’re Polish, Hungarian, Greek, Scottish, or Russian as a given; and if you’re part of a nation by choice, like in the United States, it’s because you live in communal freedom, not under centralist ideals. As a French person, you have to accept values that sometimes forced your parents or grandparents to deny their roots, a language, to stop passing it down. Values that are very intellectual, very globalizing, very universalist, very isolated in the modern world—values that only offer the comfort of abstraction. If you’re okay with that, great.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Why would I have a problem being French?
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I'm struggling to follow your reasoning, to understand what's stopping you from feeling French. Before speaking French, my parents already spoke two languages—they never denied their roots, and that didn’t stop them from integrating and feeling perfectly French. I went to a public school in France and felt completely French from early childhood, even if my mom sometimes spoke to me in another language when I was little. I see that as a plus, as a cultural richness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hello Jean Michel,

We have different experiences. France absolutely wanted to impose monolingualism, and that’s still the case today. It has nothing to do with the Welsh, the Scots, or the Irish, who preserved their languages by allying with the English. When I was a child, when my parents were, when my grandparents were, it was forbidden to speak anything other than French—Breton or Corsican, for example—and this ban was tied to school humiliations and denigration. I’m orphaned from my cultures, and I know who’s to blame. Every language gives you a different view of the world; one less language is a poorer world. Speaking "at home," in secret, a language that’s been part of the land you’ve lived on for centuries isn’t the same as immigrating and blending into a culture you accept while knowing you’re a foreigner. If foreign language education in France is such a failure, it’s actually a sign of this monolingualism push. As for the current situation, we’re seeing a kind of hardening of French universalist ideas, which clash with a globalized world that no longer really accepts them. That’s why, around the 2000s, there was a shift from a secularism that protected freedoms to an increasingly authoritarian secularism, where this mindset no longer applies just to the state but to more and more public spaces—even recently affecting sports practices. Our friend Agnès, like I’ve had the chance to do, can discuss this in Central Asia and hear, as I did, the serious image damage it leads to. I remember very reserved comments from taxi drivers, for example, on this topic: "France is surely very beautiful, but what you’re doing really isn’t good for us."

Michel
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hello,

When I was a child, when my parents were, when my grandparents were, it was forbidden to speak anything other than French, Breton, Corsican, for example, and this ban was associated with school humiliations and denigration.

A language dies when it’s no longer spoken. There was nothing, in principle, preventing parents (if they spoke Breton) from speaking Breton with their children (in private). North African children manage to express themselves (more or less) in both languages. If French was required at school, the state didn’t send spies into homes to check if the rule was being followed, right? When I was a child, I had family in Munster (Haut-Rhin). When we walked around town or went shopping, everyone spoke Alsatian. French was taught at school, and many children of farmers didn’t know a single word of it and learned it when they started school at age 6... Before that, it was Alsatian. Later, I went to Corsica, the Basque Country, and all over, and you could hear Corsican in Corsica and Basque in the Basque Country. I’ve been to Brittany several times; my sister-in-law is Breton, the daughter of a fisherman in Morgat. I’ve spent time in bars, restaurants, and nightclubs in her region (Crozon/Morgat) and never heard a single word of Breton spoken... Strange, isn’t it? What reason(s) could there be? Was there a special regime for Brittany?
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Yes, I understand your reaction, Jean Michel, but it doesn’t do justice to the reality of the constraint, which didn’t stem so much from positive law as from moral pressure. You have to understand that many people indeed refused to pass on their language because they feared doing their children a disservice and excluding them from any social or academic advancement. Bretons are generally quite marked by a culture of duty and shame, vestiges of Christianity, and in the situation from roughly the 1920s to the 1980s, there were more discreet and subtle ways than coercion to discourage passing on one’s culture.

https://www.xavierdelanglais.bzh/la-honte-de-enfants-parlant-breton-a-lecole/

Regardless of the means—legal bans or moral pressures—the generations at the time, in a position of weakness, gave in. That doesn’t diminish the consequences.

Michel
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
The fact is, life is getting more and more expensive—that’s just how it is.

As for the instability, I’m not here to judge; it works for some people and not for others.

But it can really cause anxiety.

I don’t know if there were studies on this before, but we’re definitely seeing more and more of these kinds of issues.

When it comes to selective immigration—without getting into a cultural debate—it’s mostly about the fact that it costs money, and that’s where things get stuck.

The retirement system is falling apart, and so is the healthcare system.

Basically, everything’s kind of collapsing, more or less. It’s a slow decline.

You just don’t feel as good in a dying society as you do in a time of growth and improvement...

I wouldn’t want to be 20 years old today. I’ve already done most of the hard part—phew! !
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
You’re all describing a deculturalization of Brittany and noting the disappearance of the Breton language. I have to respond to such a misrepresentation: which region of France can assert its cultural distinctiveness as much as Brittany, with its multitude of summer festivals where *bagadoù* and Celtic dance circles perform? Go to Lorient for the Interceltic Festival or to Quimper for the Cornouaille Festival; look at the last Sunday in July, when a hundred bagpipers spectacularly close the festival on the banks of the Odet to see the proof. Even the French Navy has a *bagad*. A radio station broadcasts in Breton.

As for the language, it’s kept alive especially by Diwan schools; there are still speakers despite the French Jacobin steamroller, which has finally accepted Breton as an option for the *bac*. My ears have been charmed several times by the ancestral language heard in Kemper, Gwened, Kraozon, Sainte-Anne-la-Palud, and Sainte-Anne-d’Auray.

I don’t know where Choucarde is—she could speak about Breton culture better than I can; Breton is her reason for living.

I can’t conclude by saying *"Breiz Atao"* since those words were taken by a collaborationist movement, but I express the same sentiment with: *"Bretagne toujours"*.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
You also have to understand that we’re no longer just Breton, Corsican, or Alsatian—we’re mostly a mix of all that plus contributions from across Europe and beyond.

If I had to learn, understand, and absorb all the cultures of my ancestors, I wouldn’t have enough time in one lifetime.

Brittany, Alsace, Lorraine, Normandy, Île-de-France, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, Auvergne—who knows what else? I haven’t even finished my family tree...

Those days when you never ventured more than 20 kilometers from home are pretty much over.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
The fact is that life is getting more and more expensive—it’s a fact

Inflation does exist, sure, but it doesn’t affect everyone the same way.

How you spend matters too.

Back in 1967, a color TV cost the same as a 4L.

Who would buy a flat-screen today if it cost the price of a Dacia (12,990 € as of now)?

But we’re still seeing more and more issues like this.

It’s possible, like everything else, that it’s just getting more publicity. And isn’t this anxiety the flip side of a more cushioned upbringing than before? Newer generations are less used to boredom or frustration. Parents are obsessed with zero risk and might be passing their anxiety on to their kids.

As for selective immigration—without getting into a cultural debate—it’s mostly about paying for it

???

Attracting educated people from other countries is all upside for France. No need to pay for their education.

You feel worse in a dying society than in a time of growth and improvement...

You sound ready for expatriation...
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Clearly, all of this is multi-factorial—I agree.

Young people today often had divorced parents who experienced unemployment, which probably didn’t help reduce anxiety levels.

Still, I do see that inflation is very real and hits basics like housing and, increasingly, food.

And I stand by my point about insecurity.

Expatriating might be an option one day, but the problem is global—I don’t see any promised land. If I were forced to, it’s a possibility, but for now, I don’t see myself anywhere else and have no plans to move.

If I had kids, though, I’d encourage them to go see the world elsewhere.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Agnès,

We must also understand that we are no longer Breton, Corsican, or Alsatian, but above all a mix of all that plus European influences or even more.

I get that you think and say that, but I can assure you that you’re completely out of touch with the current mood. Here are a few references, including this one from 2018: More French than Breton: 17% Only French: 22% All while saying and showing themselves to be very European. https://hal.science/hal-03713437/document

Michel
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi François,

You’re mixing up culture and folklore, nation and revival.

Michel
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
What contempt for Brittany!
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
I agree with you. I’ll add: the road signs in both languages, the many evening classes for adults, masses in Breton, the Breton flag flying outside people’s homes, bilingual classes, etc. It’s not just folklore. That said, Diwan is facing financial difficulties. In Vannes, you don’t hear Breton spoken.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Marie-Anne, François,

I’m not going to bicker with you in this somewhat catch-all discussion, sure, but it does have a purpose. The word "folklore" doesn’t have the same meaning in French as it does in Anglo-Saxon anthropology, and I’m using it in the first sense, where it *is* pejorative. To me, what you’re presenting as proof of cultural vitality really does come across as folklore—something you’ve both willingly embraced, which is to your credit. A nation’s culture is about more than just summer demonstrations. I mentioned Scotland and Wales earlier, and I could’ve added Ireland. A quick comparison will make things clearer.

Michel
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
In Vannes, you don’t hear Breton spoken

Of course. I’m referring to the time when I used to go to the Vannes market at Place des Lices. The countrywomen selling their produce wore the traditional headdress and spoke Breton. Same with Marie Joseph, my grandparents’ servant. That was only yesterday!

By the way, Tatra didn’t fall into the cliché of calling Breton a dialect.

However, following Tatra’s point, you’ve confused "cultural vibrancy" (a lovely way to put it) — folklore — with "summer demonstrations" (no doubt organized by tourist boards to liven up resorts with performers) and the real culture that thrives in the true Celtic nations: Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Thankfully, Tatra is here to set the record straight.

The members of interceltic dance circles or *Bagadou* who meet every week to practice, the choreographers, the seamstresses, the costume designers — they’ll all appreciate Tatra’s statements. And where does Alan Stillvell fit in: culture or folklore?

Finally, let’s talk about the Festival Interceltique de Lorient. It’s the world’s largest festival of Celtic nations. Being invited is an honor. You can see photos of the Lorient festival in many pubs in Ireland or Scotland — *"these nations, keepers of true Celtic culture,"* — because it’s the Mecca of the Celts. Every year, the people of Lorient (whether demonstrating "cultural vibrancy" or putting on "summer demonstrations" for tourists) invite Irish, Scottish, or Welsh "bands" to their festival. These representatives of authentic Celtic culture deign to perform alongside Breton folklore performers each year. Their understanding warms the heart, and we’ll always need a Tatra to provide an authoritative and insightful analysis — so we don’t get lost. I’m sure after this, you won’t confuse Celtic culture with Celtic folklore anymore.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I’ve got the answer to Joël’s question!

Mais où sont-ils donc et que font-ils?

They’re on this thread and they’re rambling...😇

Groundhog Day.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi François,

I see what you mean; I know quite a few people who play in *bagadous*, or even pursue careers in that field, and from what I’ve discussed with them, they tend to agree with me. When a language or culture has been uprooted, reduced to an anecdotal status, sometimes—often—looked down upon and implicitly belittled, it scatters into folklore, shifting from the political sphere to that of leisure and entertainment. Think what you will about it, but I’ve lived in Brittany day in and day out for about 50 years—it gives you time to reflect.

Michel
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
What contempt for Brittany!

It’s a bit like the snake biting its own tail. After all, this Mr. Tatra lives in Bigouden country. Let’s say I live in Ollioules and express my contempt for Provence and the Costa Azzurra 😛
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
I know quite a few people who play in bagadous,

You must definitely know Carlos Lagadec and his electric bagpipes then? 😛 Carlos Lagadec is to the bagpipes what Jimi Hendrix was to the electric guitar.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Can you be annoyed by the poor welcome some Brittany restaurants give tourists while still being thrilled when 100 bagpipers spectacularly mark the finale of the Fêtes d'Armorique in Quimper? I don’t see any connection between these two things, and I’m surprised my post from 7 years ago is being brought up to seemingly contrast with my admiration for Breton culture today. The restaurant welcome and the cultural event in Quimper are completely unrelated!

If I’m repeating myself, you’re talking nonsense.

(The restaurant welcome has improved a lot since this post was written 7 years ago, but hotel capacity is worrying, driving prices up sharply in the summer.)
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
I was replying to everyone, myself included... 😄

The way this discussion is going really reminds me of countless old threads. 😏

Especially the Brittany topic!
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Your reply really makes me think; that’s what’s great about a forum. From my research, actually, folklore is a subset of culture. So you can’t really pit them against each other, and of course, we should move beyond the level of "summer demonstrations" when it comes to folklore. It’s an entire tradition of songs, music, dances, costumes, and *pardons* that makes up this folklore, and it’s not just for tourists. Language is part of it too, but it’s fading away.

Now, about your main point: it was the French state that uprooted Breton culture, which later resurfaced as a thin layer of folklore. You back this up with 50 years of living in Brittany and meeting many key figures—but which ones? The Breton speakers who are hostile to France? Fair enough! I don’t have that kind of experience since I’m part of the diaspora, but I can still have a perspective. What I’ve gathered from my trips to Brittany and now through AI is that the French state did target the Breton language, but not the rest of the culture. And even then, not with the same intensity as, say, the treatment of Russian speakers in some countries or Kurdish speakers in another. I think Breton culture has been passed down without interruption and is still very much alive today. And I can’t imagine such a stubborn community letting a central government dictate its rules. I know there’s a very identity-driven, hostile, and resentful segment of the population in Brittany, but I think most Bretons feel fully French and don’t fear threats to their culture. They’ve learned French and are managing just fine now. Remember: they won the battle for bilingual city names and road signs. The state, in a generous move, now recognizes Breton as an optional subject for the *bac* and even includes a *Bagad* in its military.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Did he manage to fit into his community, or does he have a soft spot for Brittany? That’s his mystery.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
According to my research, actually the AI,

Good evening, AI stands for artificial intelligence, I assume? Are you using this tool to write?
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
I suggest we all open a thread about Brittany to keep the conversation going.
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ZO Zorba Veteran ·
I’ll keep my reply brief—otherwise, we’ll stray too far from the original topic. Pondy started a thread: “AI: The Holy Grail of Travel and Travel Journals.” I don’t write anything with AI; it’s an ultra-powerful research and synthesis tool that writes in proper French. To stay on the Brittany topic, I asked it the difference between culture and folklore. Then I asked if the French state had oppressed Breton culture. It answered yes, and only regarding the language. It included a poster that said it was forbidden to spit and speak Breton. What chance would I have had of finding that poster on my own? The graphic tool is mind-blowing but refuses to touch Brigitte Bardot’s clothing. I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of a French or history teacher who has to detect the authenticity of a paper. Right now, I’m looking for an AI that would address me by saying: “At your command, venerable master.” I made the same request to my family, and they shot me down.

Back to Brittany! !
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi François,

then I asked him if the French state had oppressed Breton culture. He answered yes, and only regarding the language.

What does your favorite AI say about Conlie?

I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of a French or history teacher having to detect the authenticity of a paper.

It’s pretty easy. But the question hardly comes up anymore—homework written outside of supervised exams has almost disappeared.

Michel
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
So, to stay on the Brittany topic, I asked them the difference between culture and folklore; then I asked if the French state had oppressed Breton culture.

AI (or "AI," depending on how you spell it) is a useful tool, but it’s totally incapable of nuance, subjectivity, or taking a stance. It just lists facts. And that’s not interesting—might as well read Wikipedia.

I wouldn’t want to be in the shoes of a French or history teacher having to detect the authenticity of a paper.

A text generated by AI is easy to spot. Anyway, aside from being a regurgitation of clichés, I don’t see the point.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
Thanks, I’ve got nothing left to say about Brittany now.
ZO Zorba Veteran ·
The AI wasn't very helpful when it came to Conlie. On the other hand, a classic search led me to a good article from *Ouest France*. I wasn’t familiar with the event—it’s truly eye-opening. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
I don’t see many new members logged in—I see quite a few members connected but who don’t participate or no longer do.

While there are a number of "old-timers" who don’t log back in, it’s crazy how few "ghost" contributors there are who pop up every now and then ;) Like Ms. Sophie L., who posts a photo of herself—let’s just say scantily clad—and who’s, well, not exactly virtuous ;) These people must definitely be reading the *guide du brouteur*...

I feel a little bad for the moderators of this forum.

Oh, and off-topic: thanks to Mr. Zorba and Tatra—I just found out that *la Champagne mancelle* exists too!
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi,

I get that you think and say that, but I guarantee you’re totally out of touch with the times. Here are a few references, including this one from 2018: More French than Breton: 17% Only French: 22% All while saying and showing themselves to be very European. https://hal.science/hal-03713437/document

The most interesting part of your survey is the roughly 5% of "others or won’t say." Too bad they weren’t broken down further because there’s a world of difference between Well, I feel Venezuelan and What’s the point of this question? I don’t care—none of this defines my identity.

The spirit of the times and these groupings into mythological nations, religions, economic ideologies. The era of stunted anthropos.

Catherine
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
Like Ms. Sophie L., who posts a photo of herself, let's just say scantily clad, and who seems to be, shall we say, of questionable virtue 😉

Could you please send me a screenshot as soon as possible?
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine,

The spirit of the times and these aggregations into mythological nations, religions, and economic ideologies. The era of stunted anthropos.

Isn’t this what people live by? All nations are mythological. Besides, this isn’t "my" survey—I know from experience and discussions that very few people are indifferent to it.

Michel
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
All nations are mythological.

Totally agree. But the mythology of this new millennium is Star Wars, it’s the space conquest with Mr. Musk sending spacecraft while running SpaceX. The downside is we might forget the first peoples—the Aboriginal Australians, the Amazonian Indigenous peoples, etc.— and miss understanding the earliest roots of humanity.
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Michel,

Isn’t this what men live for? All nations are mythological. Besides, this isn’t "my" survey, but from experience and conversations, I know very few people are indifferent to it.

And do their kisses follow them from afar? It’s all about the setting. The setting.

Given the marinade we’re developing in, indifference on this matter has to be earned.

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Catherine,

Given the marinade we’re developing in, indifference on the matter is something we achieve.

No, I don’t think so. And the fact that you or I might possibly be capable of it doesn’t mean it’s something we should wish for everyone. Without roots and without religion, people are orphaned and unhappy—I’ve seen it many times, and in my opinion, what we’re seeing in France and Europe right now illustrates that. I’ve even come to believe that the French universalist ideology’s inability to address religious and identity issues isolates it from the world, erases its influence, and leads it to ruin.

Michel
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Without roots and without religions, men are orphans and unhappy

They are, above all, free. What a terrible misfortune it is to be free...

After that, are they ready for it? That’s another question.

Apparently not in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, etc.

The Iranians seem to be partly ready.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
Without roots and without religion, people are orphaned and unhappy,

I agree with this statement
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
After that, are they ready to be? That’s another question. Apparently not in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, etc.

Hi, Freedom is your own vision of things, but maybe freedom is conceived differently in those countries. You see things through your own Western filter. And Pakistanis don’t want the Western way of life.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Without roots and without religion, people are orphaned and unhappy—I’ve seen it many times, and in my opinion, what we’re seeing in France and Europe right now illustrates this.

I see some truth in that, as long as we take the word *religion* in a very broad sense. When it comes to simply belonging to a religious denomination, though, I think people remain trapped by outdated rules... These rules may serve a purpose as a regulator of instincts to maintain social cohesion, but that’s about it for the individual, who often stays stuck in a hypocritical morality. Religion as a social police force or to keep society together? Maybe... But for individual happiness, I’m pretty skeptical. If we consider the "religious" as a transcendent experience, that’s a whole different story.
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