Hi,
Has anyone here already crossed China with your own vehicle (with a guide and in a group, etc.) to get from Mongolia to Nepal?
And on top of that, with a dog on board?
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hello forum,
Did any of you feel the same things we did in China?
We spent a good twenty days there in August. First, we traveled solo around Chengdu, then joined an organized tour for 12 days (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shanghai, Wuzhen) and extended our stay by 4 extra days to visit Zhangjiajie.
The landscapes were stunning, and we have unforgettable memories... but we were really disappointed by the following points:
- The food: way too spicy. Lacking in flavor, not much taste. I’m speaking "in general" because we did enjoy some good steamed dumplings, smoked pork, and other dumplings... But compared to Thailand, Cambodia, or India, Chinese cuisine didn’t impress us at all.
- The behavior of the Chinese: disrespectful, rushed, agitated. You constantly have to fight—people push, crowd, and overwhelm you... At the entrance to the Terracotta Army (and other sites), it’s a human tidal wave... and I mean that literally. We were carried by the crowd without even touching the ground. It was like a situation where you have one bowl of rice and 20,000 starving people diving for it...
You’re at a ticket counter, and they cut in front of you. You’re in line for boarding, suitcase ready to go on the conveyor belt, and someone shows up out of nowhere to put THEIR suitcase down... even though they have a flight ticket with THEIR seat number and won’t be leaving before you!!!! You’re getting on the bus, and someone shoves past you just so they don’t end up behind you.
It’s like these people only think about themselves. I didn’t see a single person let someone else go first or even ask—it’s as if politeness and respect are completely foreign to them.
It’s honestly exhausting and draining...
- Communication: In every other country we’ve visited, whether in Asia or Europe, we always manage—with English, a few words of Italian, French, or Spanish. In China, I’ll be blunt: if you don’t speak Chinese, you’re screwed. And yet, a pair of kids around ten or twelve years old asked us in English where we were from :)
- Understanding: Here’s the rule. Even if the person you’re talking to speaks a little English and says they understand you... make sure they *really* do, because 9 times out of 10, they don’t. Out of pride or just cluelessness, they’ll give you a big smile and nod, but in reality, they didn’t get what you were saying.
Several times with our group, in the evening at a restaurant, if we hadn’t been helped by someone at another table who spoke a little English, we’d still be there. The classic example: the waiter brings one menu (for 10 people at the table), and we’re all trying to explain that we need 4 or more menus. Five minutes later, he’s still staring at us with that same blank smile...
In 3* or 4* hotels, you go to the front desk for a hot water or AC issue. Three or four staff members just stand there beaming at you. You try to explain with photos or a translator, but in the end, you leave with the problem unresolved.
They don’t speak—they shout... on buses, in hotels...
We were also surprised to find that self-service laundromats were almost nonexistent. We got scammed once at a hotel with an astronomical bill!
As for flights, we flew Air China on the way there and Austrian Airlines on the way back—no comparison. Air China had zero service and food that was "baby food" quality. Austrian Airlines had multiple services, a decent meal, and smiling flight attendants.
I don’t know if any of you had the same experience in this country, but I’m definitely not eager to go back. Whereas if someone offered me India, Thailand, or Vietnam tomorrow, I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!
Did any of you feel the same things we did in China?
We spent a good twenty days there in August. First, we traveled solo around Chengdu, then joined an organized tour for 12 days (Beijing, Pingyao, Xi'an, Guilin, Xingping, Yangshuo, Shanghai, Wuzhen) and extended our stay by 4 extra days to visit Zhangjiajie.
The landscapes were stunning, and we have unforgettable memories... but we were really disappointed by the following points:
- The food: way too spicy. Lacking in flavor, not much taste. I’m speaking "in general" because we did enjoy some good steamed dumplings, smoked pork, and other dumplings... But compared to Thailand, Cambodia, or India, Chinese cuisine didn’t impress us at all.
- The behavior of the Chinese: disrespectful, rushed, agitated. You constantly have to fight—people push, crowd, and overwhelm you... At the entrance to the Terracotta Army (and other sites), it’s a human tidal wave... and I mean that literally. We were carried by the crowd without even touching the ground. It was like a situation where you have one bowl of rice and 20,000 starving people diving for it...
You’re at a ticket counter, and they cut in front of you. You’re in line for boarding, suitcase ready to go on the conveyor belt, and someone shows up out of nowhere to put THEIR suitcase down... even though they have a flight ticket with THEIR seat number and won’t be leaving before you!!!! You’re getting on the bus, and someone shoves past you just so they don’t end up behind you.
It’s like these people only think about themselves. I didn’t see a single person let someone else go first or even ask—it’s as if politeness and respect are completely foreign to them.
It’s honestly exhausting and draining...
- Communication: In every other country we’ve visited, whether in Asia or Europe, we always manage—with English, a few words of Italian, French, or Spanish. In China, I’ll be blunt: if you don’t speak Chinese, you’re screwed. And yet, a pair of kids around ten or twelve years old asked us in English where we were from :)
- Understanding: Here’s the rule. Even if the person you’re talking to speaks a little English and says they understand you... make sure they *really* do, because 9 times out of 10, they don’t. Out of pride or just cluelessness, they’ll give you a big smile and nod, but in reality, they didn’t get what you were saying.
Several times with our group, in the evening at a restaurant, if we hadn’t been helped by someone at another table who spoke a little English, we’d still be there. The classic example: the waiter brings one menu (for 10 people at the table), and we’re all trying to explain that we need 4 or more menus. Five minutes later, he’s still staring at us with that same blank smile...
In 3* or 4* hotels, you go to the front desk for a hot water or AC issue. Three or four staff members just stand there beaming at you. You try to explain with photos or a translator, but in the end, you leave with the problem unresolved.
They don’t speak—they shout... on buses, in hotels...
We were also surprised to find that self-service laundromats were almost nonexistent. We got scammed once at a hotel with an astronomical bill!
As for flights, we flew Air China on the way there and Austrian Airlines on the way back—no comparison. Air China had zero service and food that was "baby food" quality. Austrian Airlines had multiple services, a decent meal, and smiling flight attendants.
I don’t know if any of you had the same experience in this country, but I’m definitely not eager to go back. Whereas if someone offered me India, Thailand, or Vietnam tomorrow, I’d be there in a heartbeat!!!
Here are some tips from our 6-week trip (summer 2026) to China, Vietnam, and Cambodia. We traveled as a family of four with two kids aged 15 and 12.
I hope these notes help other travelers!
CHINA General You’ll need to download and set up a few apps: - Alipay and WeChat for payments (I didn’t withdraw a single bill the entire trip) - Didi for taxis - Amap = Chinese Maps (works great, especially for subways) - A translation app (we used Papago, but it sometimes gave weird results) - Google Lens for translating menus or signs—super handy. - HelloRide for bikes - Gemini and ChatGPT for everything: understanding daily life, enhancing visits, checking the weather, finding things. - HomeExchange if you want to lower travel costs (few listings in Asia except in big cities, often expats) - Trip.com is very useful, even essential, for trains, domestic flights, and hotels. Like Booking.com, the more you book with them, the more perks you get. So I’d even suggest checking flight tickets on this site, even if it’s a bit pricier. However, buying train tickets is complicated because (1) they only open 15 days in advance, and (2) they sell out fast. Trip.com just promises to buy them as soon as they’re available but doesn’t always succeed. It’s stressful and might force you to change your plans, especially if you’re aiming for a sleeper car and there are no seats left. Watch out for station names—many cities have multiple stations, including a high-speed rail one outside the city. For internet, we got the Asia plan from Holafly. It worked but seemed much slower than Chinese internet. I regretted not buying a Chinese SIM card because without internet in China, everything is VERY complicated (money, transport, etc.).
For the firewall, we used ExpressVPN, but it wasn’t always reliable. A bit disappointing. Ask ChatGPT for tips with screenshots to improve the settings.
Since we only had one SIM card with internet, we couldn’t rent shared bikes. If I were to do it again, I’d get a SIM for each person, even the kids, because distances in cities are huge. We walked *a lot*. Same goes for buses—it’s tricky with just one internet connection. Better to have a phone per person with internet. Book your visits as far in advance as possible—they often sell out. Watch out for power banks: if they don’t explicitly say "3C," they’ll confiscate it. Even if there’s a little airplane logo.
Shanghai In the evening, the streets leading to the Bund from the metro were so crowded that police were out in force blocking roads. Arrive early. We went around the north side.
Suzhou Be careful—there are two stations (common in China), and the high-speed rail one is 45–50 minutes from the old town. The Humble Administrator’s Garden was *packed*—we don’t recommend it. It turned into a marathon day from Shanghai (almost 4 hours from our hotel to the garden).
Beijing Forbidden City: Don’t go—I know it’s a shame, but it’s too crowded. I couldn’t buy tickets on the official site because of the kids’ passports. We ended up with a guided tour, the only way to get in (tickets sell out fast). The visit was disappointing—bad guide *and* massive crowds. You’ll queue a lot to enter and see certain areas. You’ll be checked often, so pack your bags carefully. Great Wall at Mutianyu: Crowded. Two hours by bus, and even though we arrived early, people were already leaving! I really think the best option is to leave your big bags in Beijing and stay overnight near the Wall. That way, you’ll have it to yourself a bit more. For transport: get off at Tiananmen Square metro and look for buses with official guides in bright yellow-green vests. No need to buy tickets online—they made me cancel mine to rebook on the spot. Buses leave when full. Note: the cable car and chairlift are separate—if you want to go up one side and down the other, you’ll need different tickets. The endless queue for the toboggan ride put us off. Quick tip: Incredible swimming spot in Beijing—on the north shore of Houhai Lake, you can swim by crossing the barrier. We did it twice with about ten other people. Bring a swimsuit!
Shapotou Desert Amazing, but it gets *very* hot in the afternoon. We had a tent (not an air-conditioned bungalow), which was unbearable during the day. We hung out in the restaurant. The paid activities are fun, except the camels—they look sad. The real highlight is the evening and sunset. The only downside: you can’t explore the desert alone or far—they don’t rent 4x4s, for example. We stayed at "The Desert Camping Hotel of the Proprietress of Shapotou." They were lovely.
Zhongwei Gaomiao Temple and its underground: Fun and short—you’ll see quirky Buddhist hell paintings.
Xi’an Terracotta Army: We took a Didi because for four people, a car was almost the same price as four shuttle tickets. It was packed—chaotic to see properly. We visited the halls in order: 3, 2, then 1—a good choice. Hua Shan Mountains: Left before sunrise to arrive when the ticket office opened (7 AM, I think). We were shocked to see so many people already coming down. 45 minutes by bus to the west cable car, then 15 minutes up. We did the west, south, east, central, then north peaks (in that order) before taking the other cable car down (you can buy the ticket at the top). A beautiful day. In the city, check out...
Chengdu Panda Research Center: Like Hua Shan, plan to arrive when the ticket office opens. Already *tons* of people, and it moves fast to see the big pandas before their nap. Have them drop you at the west entrance (not south), or you’ll have to walk uphill. Leshan Giant Buddha: Interesting. The trip is a bit long (metro, then train, then city bus, then shuttle on-site). We didn’t take the boat option but walked. In the end, you only spend a few minutes at the Buddha’s feet, but it’s a nice day out. Hotel tip: Panda Enjoy Home Hotel Apartments (Chengdu East Railway Station Dongda Road Branch). The view is insane, and the neighborhood is super convenient and nice. 646 CNY for 2 nights. Swimming: The municipal pool is an interesting experience, but don’t expect to swim—no one does. Everyone just splashes around where they can stand. The hours are a bit odd, with a break in the late afternoon.
Kunming The bike path along Dian Lake is pretty and often well-protected from cars. But like everywhere in China, it’s *packed*. Not much to say about visits—the flower market is a wholesale market, not very interesting. The ethnic minorities museum closed right in front of us. All the big malls are good for shopping.
Dali We thought we could bike around the lake in two days. Wrong on two counts: First, the lake’s edge is blocked to traffic and reserved for bikes (or tourist mini-buses). So you’re stuck on the main road, which never gives you a view of the lake, with all the trucks and cars. Doing 120 km like that wouldn’t make sense, in our opinion. The rice fields around are nice but not as impressive as elsewhere, so Dali isn’t worth it for that. The old town, all restored, is pretty but *packed*—thousands of people, especially in the evening.
Hekou (Vietnam border) Comfortable train from Kunming. In the parking lot, a bus (not well-marked, but Didi is an option) takes you to the border in 15–20 minutes. Short wait at both border posts. Fun to see the two lampposts near the border line: the Chinese one is new, modern, with a surveillance camera (of course), while the Vietnamese one is old and a bit rusty.
VIETNAM General: - You’ll need the Grab app for taxis - Very disappointed with 12Go—it doesn’t show all buses, never connects you with the company, and refuses refunds. Try booking directly with companies like FUTA Bus instead. - Credit cards are often accepted (supermarkets and modern stores), otherwise, you’ll need cash
Lao Cai 2 km between the border and the train station. The sleeper bus to Hanoi with Sao Viet is well-organized—it works.
Hanoi Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum closes early (10:30 AM, I think). Women’s Museum: Very good, not too long Temple of Literature: Beautiful, fairly quick This is where you should buy souvenirs, clothes, and knockoffs—the prices are reasonable, and the sellers are nicer than elsewhere. We recommend Cho Dong Xuan.
Tu Long Bay We did 2 days, 1 night (so really 24 hours on the boat) with Parfum d’Automne (French-speaking agency), which put us on a Cycad Cruise boat. Cost: 300 € per person—expensive, but it was amazing, super luxurious, and the buffet meals were delicious. We don’t regret the splurge. The only downside: no swimming in the bay (but there’s a pool on the boat). To swim, you’d need a 3-day, 2-night trip to an area not protected by the maritime park.
Phong Nha If you didn’t do the northern mountains due to time or weather (like us), Phong Nha is a great stop for a motorbike ride. It’s beautiful, especially the mountains west of the city toward the caves. There are two (small) swimming spots at the Botanic Garden—a pleasant 45-minute walk without stops. Hotel tip: Sunbeam Village (very friendly, pool, breakfast by the river, motorbike rentals)
Da Nang Hotel tip: Meridians by Hsuite—you’ll have the beach almost to yourself. You’ll still need to walk 15–20 minutes to the hyper-touristy area if you want to rent surfboards (150–200k VND per hour). The beach is beautiful, and the water is 30°C—great for a break on a long trip, especially since all transport goes through Da Nang.
Hoi An 45 minutes from Da Nang, so it’s easy to visit in a day, especially since the city isn’t that big and it’s *very* hot. Cooking class: MS Hanh cooking class—great (the market tour is a bit useless). We don’t recommend the "basket boat" tour—it’s a bit sad on a big brown pond with elderly guides.
Ho Chi Minh City Ben Thanh Market is a nightmare: starting prices are exorbitant, and the vendors are aggressive. Don’t go. The War Remnants Museum can be really tough for kids.
Can Tho Avoid this city. We made the mistake of going to see the floating market—don’t.
Chau Doc No Grab in the city, but regular taxis. One day is enough if you go early to the forest and the mountain in the late afternoon. 250k VND per person for the forest and its canals (45 minutes by motorbike) The sunset at Victoria Nui Sam can be magnificent if the clouds cooperate. Cheap and good restaurant: Quan Nem Nuong Sau Hiep Hotel tip: Homestay Khoa (2,250,000 VND for 3 nights)—adorable hostess, full of tips, clean rooms.
The speedboat to Cambodia is more comfortable than a bus. Book with Hangchau a few days in advance—payment in cash on the day (1,640,000 đ).
CAMBODIA General: - Issues with the "Bakong Tourists" app—we had to go to a big bank to load money onto it. We barely used it afterward.
Phnom Penh For us, a day and a half is enough if you want to spend more time elsewhere. Markets close early (around 6 PM) and are less interesting than in Hanoi, for example. The Royal Palace has a break from 11 AM to 2 PM, but there aren’t many people in the afternoon.
Siem Reap Trip with Capitol company—the bus is basic but cheap. Departs at 10:15 AM, 7-hour ride. Angkor entrance fee: 62 USD per person for a 3-day pass. Tickets are picked up at Angkor Enterprise. Renting two 125cc motorbikes: 10 USD each, plus 7 USD for gas. By bike, it took me 25 minutes to reach Angkor Wat’s pools. A basic city bike rental was 1 USD per hour. Short circuit by motorbike (in reverse): 7 hours with stops everywhere. Grand tour by tuk-tuk: Only 5 temples, 4.5 hours. If you want to see lots of monkeys, they’re grouped west of Bayon. For the temples, we asked Gemini (AI) at each stop to point out details that might interest kids (who can get bored with the repetition). It gave fun facts and things to look for—great for the little ones. Hotel tip: The Five Senses, run by a Frenchman, Bruno, who knows Cambodia inside out and organizes tours. Restaurant tip: Wild (only spring rolls, but *so* many varieties—delicious and cheap) Watch out: 1 hour to the airport, 50 km from the city. Show tip: The Phare Circus
CHINA General You’ll need to download and set up a few apps: - Alipay and WeChat for payments (I didn’t withdraw a single bill the entire trip) - Didi for taxis - Amap = Chinese Maps (works great, especially for subways) - A translation app (we used Papago, but it sometimes gave weird results) - Google Lens for translating menus or signs—super handy. - HelloRide for bikes - Gemini and ChatGPT for everything: understanding daily life, enhancing visits, checking the weather, finding things. - HomeExchange if you want to lower travel costs (few listings in Asia except in big cities, often expats) - Trip.com is very useful, even essential, for trains, domestic flights, and hotels. Like Booking.com, the more you book with them, the more perks you get. So I’d even suggest checking flight tickets on this site, even if it’s a bit pricier. However, buying train tickets is complicated because (1) they only open 15 days in advance, and (2) they sell out fast. Trip.com just promises to buy them as soon as they’re available but doesn’t always succeed. It’s stressful and might force you to change your plans, especially if you’re aiming for a sleeper car and there are no seats left. Watch out for station names—many cities have multiple stations, including a high-speed rail one outside the city. For internet, we got the Asia plan from Holafly. It worked but seemed much slower than Chinese internet. I regretted not buying a Chinese SIM card because without internet in China, everything is VERY complicated (money, transport, etc.).
For the firewall, we used ExpressVPN, but it wasn’t always reliable. A bit disappointing. Ask ChatGPT for tips with screenshots to improve the settings.
Since we only had one SIM card with internet, we couldn’t rent shared bikes. If I were to do it again, I’d get a SIM for each person, even the kids, because distances in cities are huge. We walked *a lot*. Same goes for buses—it’s tricky with just one internet connection. Better to have a phone per person with internet. Book your visits as far in advance as possible—they often sell out. Watch out for power banks: if they don’t explicitly say "3C," they’ll confiscate it. Even if there’s a little airplane logo.
Shanghai In the evening, the streets leading to the Bund from the metro were so crowded that police were out in force blocking roads. Arrive early. We went around the north side.
Suzhou Be careful—there are two stations (common in China), and the high-speed rail one is 45–50 minutes from the old town. The Humble Administrator’s Garden was *packed*—we don’t recommend it. It turned into a marathon day from Shanghai (almost 4 hours from our hotel to the garden).
Beijing Forbidden City: Don’t go—I know it’s a shame, but it’s too crowded. I couldn’t buy tickets on the official site because of the kids’ passports. We ended up with a guided tour, the only way to get in (tickets sell out fast). The visit was disappointing—bad guide *and* massive crowds. You’ll queue a lot to enter and see certain areas. You’ll be checked often, so pack your bags carefully. Great Wall at Mutianyu: Crowded. Two hours by bus, and even though we arrived early, people were already leaving! I really think the best option is to leave your big bags in Beijing and stay overnight near the Wall. That way, you’ll have it to yourself a bit more. For transport: get off at Tiananmen Square metro and look for buses with official guides in bright yellow-green vests. No need to buy tickets online—they made me cancel mine to rebook on the spot. Buses leave when full. Note: the cable car and chairlift are separate—if you want to go up one side and down the other, you’ll need different tickets. The endless queue for the toboggan ride put us off. Quick tip: Incredible swimming spot in Beijing—on the north shore of Houhai Lake, you can swim by crossing the barrier. We did it twice with about ten other people. Bring a swimsuit!
Shapotou Desert Amazing, but it gets *very* hot in the afternoon. We had a tent (not an air-conditioned bungalow), which was unbearable during the day. We hung out in the restaurant. The paid activities are fun, except the camels—they look sad. The real highlight is the evening and sunset. The only downside: you can’t explore the desert alone or far—they don’t rent 4x4s, for example. We stayed at "The Desert Camping Hotel of the Proprietress of Shapotou." They were lovely.
Zhongwei Gaomiao Temple and its underground: Fun and short—you’ll see quirky Buddhist hell paintings.
Xi’an Terracotta Army: We took a Didi because for four people, a car was almost the same price as four shuttle tickets. It was packed—chaotic to see properly. We visited the halls in order: 3, 2, then 1—a good choice. Hua Shan Mountains: Left before sunrise to arrive when the ticket office opened (7 AM, I think). We were shocked to see so many people already coming down. 45 minutes by bus to the west cable car, then 15 minutes up. We did the west, south, east, central, then north peaks (in that order) before taking the other cable car down (you can buy the ticket at the top). A beautiful day. In the city, check out...
Chengdu Panda Research Center: Like Hua Shan, plan to arrive when the ticket office opens. Already *tons* of people, and it moves fast to see the big pandas before their nap. Have them drop you at the west entrance (not south), or you’ll have to walk uphill. Leshan Giant Buddha: Interesting. The trip is a bit long (metro, then train, then city bus, then shuttle on-site). We didn’t take the boat option but walked. In the end, you only spend a few minutes at the Buddha’s feet, but it’s a nice day out. Hotel tip: Panda Enjoy Home Hotel Apartments (Chengdu East Railway Station Dongda Road Branch). The view is insane, and the neighborhood is super convenient and nice. 646 CNY for 2 nights. Swimming: The municipal pool is an interesting experience, but don’t expect to swim—no one does. Everyone just splashes around where they can stand. The hours are a bit odd, with a break in the late afternoon.
Kunming The bike path along Dian Lake is pretty and often well-protected from cars. But like everywhere in China, it’s *packed*. Not much to say about visits—the flower market is a wholesale market, not very interesting. The ethnic minorities museum closed right in front of us. All the big malls are good for shopping.
Dali We thought we could bike around the lake in two days. Wrong on two counts: First, the lake’s edge is blocked to traffic and reserved for bikes (or tourist mini-buses). So you’re stuck on the main road, which never gives you a view of the lake, with all the trucks and cars. Doing 120 km like that wouldn’t make sense, in our opinion. The rice fields around are nice but not as impressive as elsewhere, so Dali isn’t worth it for that. The old town, all restored, is pretty but *packed*—thousands of people, especially in the evening.
Hekou (Vietnam border) Comfortable train from Kunming. In the parking lot, a bus (not well-marked, but Didi is an option) takes you to the border in 15–20 minutes. Short wait at both border posts. Fun to see the two lampposts near the border line: the Chinese one is new, modern, with a surveillance camera (of course), while the Vietnamese one is old and a bit rusty.
VIETNAM General: - You’ll need the Grab app for taxis - Very disappointed with 12Go—it doesn’t show all buses, never connects you with the company, and refuses refunds. Try booking directly with companies like FUTA Bus instead. - Credit cards are often accepted (supermarkets and modern stores), otherwise, you’ll need cash
Lao Cai 2 km between the border and the train station. The sleeper bus to Hanoi with Sao Viet is well-organized—it works.
Hanoi Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum closes early (10:30 AM, I think). Women’s Museum: Very good, not too long Temple of Literature: Beautiful, fairly quick This is where you should buy souvenirs, clothes, and knockoffs—the prices are reasonable, and the sellers are nicer than elsewhere. We recommend Cho Dong Xuan.
Tu Long Bay We did 2 days, 1 night (so really 24 hours on the boat) with Parfum d’Automne (French-speaking agency), which put us on a Cycad Cruise boat. Cost: 300 € per person—expensive, but it was amazing, super luxurious, and the buffet meals were delicious. We don’t regret the splurge. The only downside: no swimming in the bay (but there’s a pool on the boat). To swim, you’d need a 3-day, 2-night trip to an area not protected by the maritime park.
Phong Nha If you didn’t do the northern mountains due to time or weather (like us), Phong Nha is a great stop for a motorbike ride. It’s beautiful, especially the mountains west of the city toward the caves. There are two (small) swimming spots at the Botanic Garden—a pleasant 45-minute walk without stops. Hotel tip: Sunbeam Village (very friendly, pool, breakfast by the river, motorbike rentals)
Da Nang Hotel tip: Meridians by Hsuite—you’ll have the beach almost to yourself. You’ll still need to walk 15–20 minutes to the hyper-touristy area if you want to rent surfboards (150–200k VND per hour). The beach is beautiful, and the water is 30°C—great for a break on a long trip, especially since all transport goes through Da Nang.
Hoi An 45 minutes from Da Nang, so it’s easy to visit in a day, especially since the city isn’t that big and it’s *very* hot. Cooking class: MS Hanh cooking class—great (the market tour is a bit useless). We don’t recommend the "basket boat" tour—it’s a bit sad on a big brown pond with elderly guides.
Ho Chi Minh City Ben Thanh Market is a nightmare: starting prices are exorbitant, and the vendors are aggressive. Don’t go. The War Remnants Museum can be really tough for kids.
Can Tho Avoid this city. We made the mistake of going to see the floating market—don’t.
Chau Doc No Grab in the city, but regular taxis. One day is enough if you go early to the forest and the mountain in the late afternoon. 250k VND per person for the forest and its canals (45 minutes by motorbike) The sunset at Victoria Nui Sam can be magnificent if the clouds cooperate. Cheap and good restaurant: Quan Nem Nuong Sau Hiep Hotel tip: Homestay Khoa (2,250,000 VND for 3 nights)—adorable hostess, full of tips, clean rooms.
The speedboat to Cambodia is more comfortable than a bus. Book with Hangchau a few days in advance—payment in cash on the day (1,640,000 đ).
CAMBODIA General: - Issues with the "Bakong Tourists" app—we had to go to a big bank to load money onto it. We barely used it afterward.
Phnom Penh For us, a day and a half is enough if you want to spend more time elsewhere. Markets close early (around 6 PM) and are less interesting than in Hanoi, for example. The Royal Palace has a break from 11 AM to 2 PM, but there aren’t many people in the afternoon.
Siem Reap Trip with Capitol company—the bus is basic but cheap. Departs at 10:15 AM, 7-hour ride. Angkor entrance fee: 62 USD per person for a 3-day pass. Tickets are picked up at Angkor Enterprise. Renting two 125cc motorbikes: 10 USD each, plus 7 USD for gas. By bike, it took me 25 minutes to reach Angkor Wat’s pools. A basic city bike rental was 1 USD per hour. Short circuit by motorbike (in reverse): 7 hours with stops everywhere. Grand tour by tuk-tuk: Only 5 temples, 4.5 hours. If you want to see lots of monkeys, they’re grouped west of Bayon. For the temples, we asked Gemini (AI) at each stop to point out details that might interest kids (who can get bored with the repetition). It gave fun facts and things to look for—great for the little ones. Hotel tip: The Five Senses, run by a Frenchman, Bruno, who knows Cambodia inside out and organizes tours. Restaurant tip: Wild (only spring rolls, but *so* many varieties—delicious and cheap) Watch out: 1 hour to the airport, 50 km from the city. Show tip: The Phare Circus
Est il aisé de trouvé un véhicule avec chauffeur en chine (au Yunnan) et combien ça coûte ?
Merci de vos retours
Danyèle
Bonjour,
je suis a la recherche d'un chauffeur parlant Français ou anglais pour la visite des alentour de shanghai.
nous sommes 3 personne.
les dates serais du dimanche 9 avril au 13 avril au soir. On prend le train de nuit de Yangzhou.
cordialement
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
bonjour
j'ai entendu dire que l'équivalent chinois d'uber qui s'appelle didi est dans une mauvaise passe l'une de ses utilisatrice ayant été violée et assasinée ce qui n'est certes pas engageant. Il paraitriat qu'une concurrence s'organise. Comme je suis susceptible d'avoir recours aux services d'une chaufeeur à certains moment en chine j'aimerais en savoir plus, savoir comment contacter ce didi ou un eventuel concurrent. Merci
Bonjour
je pars avec la famille (4 personnes) en voyage en chine en juillet 2018 et me demande de quelle façon il est possible de réserver un véhicule avec chauffeur pour une semaine. merci de vos reponses
je pars avec la famille (4 personnes) en voyage en chine en juillet 2018 et me demande de quelle façon il est possible de réserver un véhicule avec chauffeur pour une semaine. merci de vos reponses
Bonjour à tous,
Nous partons en famille pour un petit mois en chine avec 3 puis 2 enfants. Pour les transport "petites distances" du genre Fenghuan-Zhangijaije environ 240km ou Jianshui-Tuanshan-Kunming (192, km) ... est-il plus facile-moins cher-plus sur ... de prendre un "taxi" ou le bus ? (sachant que nous voyageons avec très peu de bagages (equivalent un bagage de cabine avion par personne)
Plutôt chaque fois un taxi différent depuis chaque hôtel ou "une voiture et son chauffeur" pour plusieurs jours dans même région ?
Merci d'avance pour votre aide
Cordialement
Nicolas
Nous partons en famille pour un petit mois en chine avec 3 puis 2 enfants. Pour les transport "petites distances" du genre Fenghuan-Zhangijaije environ 240km ou Jianshui-Tuanshan-Kunming (192, km) ... est-il plus facile-moins cher-plus sur ... de prendre un "taxi" ou le bus ? (sachant que nous voyageons avec très peu de bagages (equivalent un bagage de cabine avion par personne)
Plutôt chaque fois un taxi différent depuis chaque hôtel ou "une voiture et son chauffeur" pour plusieurs jours dans même région ?
Merci d'avance pour votre aide
Cordialement
Nicolas
Bonjour,
Quelqu'un aurait-il une idée, même vague, du coût d'un véhicule avec chauffeur pour 3 jours, pour un aller simple de Guilin à Fenghuang incluant un certain nombre de visites ? Et à qui s'adresser...
Merci d'avance aux généreux contributeurs...
Quelqu'un aurait-il une idée, même vague, du coût d'un véhicule avec chauffeur pour 3 jours, pour un aller simple de Guilin à Fenghuang incluant un certain nombre de visites ? Et à qui s'adresser...
Merci d'avance aux généreux contributeurs...
Hi there.
We’re planning a month in November to visit several places in China.
This time, though, we’d like to do it with a car and driver (unlike our last trip to Sichuan, where we went on our own).
Thanks in advance and have a great day! !
Thanks in advance and have a great day! !
We’re a retired French couple.
We’ve just spent 4 weeks in China:
- 1. Exploring Yunnan in a group (12 people); a journey that took us from the Vietnamese border in the south to the edges of Tibet in the north.
- 2. A private trip to Guizhou with just a driver.
We’re absolutely delighted with what we discovered: a modern country with excellent infrastructure (especially the low level of urban pollution thanks to the high number of electric vehicles, the absence of diesel, and no noisy motorbikes in these two less industrialized provinces), friendly Chinese people who were always ready to help us when we had difficulties or questions, and a rich natural and cultural heritage.
The language barrier remains the biggest challenge, despite instant translation tools.
For both trips, we booked through the agency CIELCHINE, which we highly recommend.
The value for money is unbeatable.
The services were luxurious, especially for us since we usually travel alone on a tight budget for accommodation and food.
The agency’s staff were perfectly competent and, what’s more, warm and welcoming.
For Yunnan, our guide SEBASTIEN, who was experienced and knowledgeable, won everyone over.
In Guizhou, our driver HUANG was professionally flawless and guided us through villages he knows well. Friendly and full of humor, he’d spontaneously talk to people he met, which made us be treated with much more kindness and allowed us to exchange a few basic words.
As you can see, I haven’t ticked anything negative—not because I’m hiding anything or have any ulterior motive, but because I’m completely satisfied and the experience even exceeded all my expectations.
Bonjour,
Je suis toujours à la recherche d'un moyen de transport pendant 4 jours pour le trajet de Datong à Pingyao via Wutaishan, soit environ 600 km. Je ne souhaite pas prendre les bus, ni un voyage de groupe. Je recherche plutôt un véhicule privé avec chauffeur. Une agence m'en propose un pour 570€. Cela vous parait-il correct ? Quelles sont vos expériences ?
Merci d'avance
Je suis toujours à la recherche d'un moyen de transport pendant 4 jours pour le trajet de Datong à Pingyao via Wutaishan, soit environ 600 km. Je ne souhaite pas prendre les bus, ni un voyage de groupe. Je recherche plutôt un véhicule privé avec chauffeur. Une agence m'en propose un pour 570€. Cela vous parait-il correct ? Quelles sont vos expériences ?
Merci d'avance
bonjour
je serai pour la premiere fois en escale a pekin le mois prochain pour une escale entre 12.30 et 20.20
est ce quelqu un peut me conseiller sur ce qu il est possible de faire /de voir pour ce delai?
mon budget est limité donc voiture avec chauffeur exclus
merci
Bonjour
Je me rends dans la région de Guilin-Yangshuo. Quelqu’un peut -il m’indIquer
Une idée de prix pour un transfert aéroport de Guilin-Pingan (rice terrasse)
Il y a t-il un autre moyen de transfert depuis l’aéroport de Guilin vers Pingan ?
Peut-on facilement louer un véhicule avec chauffeur depuis un hôtel ?
Merci
Bonjour ,
Je viens demander vos avis sur un devis d'une agence locale francophone pour notre premier voyage en Chine où nous prévoyons un circuit privé (voiture avec chauffeur et guide ) en juin/juillet pour une durée de 12 jours . Le parcours est comme suit : pekin-luoyang-shaolin-guilin-yangshuo-shanghai-suzhou .
cette agence nous a demandé 3200 euros avec un van de 7 places et nous sommes un couple + un enfant . Ce devis comprend uniquement les transferts , les déplacements , 3 trajets en TGV et un vol pour 3 personnes , l'entrée des sites . sont exclus les hotels , les repas et les activités. Je voulais donc vous demander si ce tarif vous semble correct ?
Par le même occasion si vous avez des conseils ou bons plans , je suis preneuse. Merci à vous toutes et tous. Cordialement
Je viens demander vos avis sur un devis d'une agence locale francophone pour notre premier voyage en Chine où nous prévoyons un circuit privé (voiture avec chauffeur et guide ) en juin/juillet pour une durée de 12 jours . Le parcours est comme suit : pekin-luoyang-shaolin-guilin-yangshuo-shanghai-suzhou .
cette agence nous a demandé 3200 euros avec un van de 7 places et nous sommes un couple + un enfant . Ce devis comprend uniquement les transferts , les déplacements , 3 trajets en TGV et un vol pour 3 personnes , l'entrée des sites . sont exclus les hotels , les repas et les activités. Je voulais donc vous demander si ce tarif vous semble correct ?
Par le même occasion si vous avez des conseils ou bons plans , je suis preneuse. Merci à vous toutes et tous. Cordialement
Bonjour ,
Nous sommes en pleine organisation d'un voyage en Chine. Il me reste une interrogation ... Auriez vous des suggestions concernant notre trajet de zhangiajie à Chengdu ?
Nous avons repéré la possibilité du train en plus ou moins 12h , des vols ( Mais je n'ai trouvé qu'avec transfert par la capitale ) où chauffeur ( aucune idée du coût) . Un tout grand merci pour votre expérience qui nous aidera beaucoup et bonne journée
Laetitia et Denis
Laetitia et Denis
Bonjour à tous,
De retour après un mois sur les routes du Yunnan ...
Dans un petit van inconfortable, accompagnés de notre jeune ( et inexperimenté mais tellement gentil) chauffeur et de notre guide (elle, expérimentée mais toute la journée au téléphone ...) nous avons fait (presque) tout le tour du Yunnan.
Kunming, terres rouges, Luoping, Janshui, Yuanyang, Jinghong, Wengding, Tengchong, la vallée de la Nu, Bingzhongluo, Lijiang, Dali, Kunming .. en gros.
Nous sommes ravis de ce voyage. Cela n'a pas toujours été de tout repos, mais très dépaysant (on est restés presque 3 semaines sans voir un visage occidental), très intéressant, et parfois aventureux, surprenant (personne ne nous avait dit que , dans les montagnes, il fait presque la même température dedans et dehors et que tout le monde est perpétuellement avec sa doudoune ! heureusement nous étions équipés en conséquence) et ... nous n'avons jamais autant eté pris en photo !
Les chinois ont toujours été aimables et prêts à nous aider ; même s'ils sont plutôt impassibles, ils ont généralement répondu à nos sourires.
Voilà, si vous voulez des renseignements tout frais, écrivez-moi!
Bon weekend.
We just spent three weeks in Yunnan.
I’ve started writing up a travel journal about the trip.
Bonjour à tous
L'un d'entre vous saurait-il comment rallier Pingyao après avoir visité le temple Shaolin ?
Faut-il revenir à Xian (que j'aurais au préalable visité) ?
L'idée est de rejoindre ensuite Datong puis Pékin.
Merci à tous ceux qui pourront m'aider
Christine
bonjour, j'ai l'intention de me rendre prochainement à Xian afin de visiter outre l'armée de terre cuite, les divers tombeaux impériaux (quinling, maoling, zhaoling, etc). ainsi que le temple de famen. Pour des raisons de timing et notamment pour arriver à la première heure à l'armée de terre cuite avant l'arrivée de la foule, j'envisage d'utiliser le taxi plutot que le bus. Mais j'ai cru comprendre qu'il y avait pénurie de taxi à Xian et qu'il était difficile d'en reserver. Quelqu'un peut il m'éclairer? Merci
Bonjour, j'aurais besoin d'un avis sur un itinéraire pour un voyage en Chine l'été prochain.
J 1/2/3 Pékin J 4 Pékin + train de nuit vers Datong J 5 Datong dans la journée puis train de nuit vers Pingyao J 6 Pingyao J 7 Pingyao + train vers X'ian J 8 X'ian + train de nuit vers Shangai J 9 / 10 / 11 Shangai / Suzhou
Bon, je sais le rythme est soutenu mais est-ce faisable ? Notamment faire dans la journée les grottes près de Datong et les temples suspendus (en voiture avec chauffeur) et repartir le soir ? Merci de vos conseils, ils seront les bienvenus...
J 1/2/3 Pékin J 4 Pékin + train de nuit vers Datong J 5 Datong dans la journée puis train de nuit vers Pingyao J 6 Pingyao J 7 Pingyao + train vers X'ian J 8 X'ian + train de nuit vers Shangai J 9 / 10 / 11 Shangai / Suzhou
Bon, je sais le rythme est soutenu mais est-ce faisable ? Notamment faire dans la journée les grottes près de Datong et les temples suspendus (en voiture avec chauffeur) et repartir le soir ? Merci de vos conseils, ils seront les bienvenus...
Hello,
Je me rends à Pekin pour 3 jours en novembre et je cherche un guide pour me faire découvrir la ville pendant une journée. Auriez-vous des contacts ?
J'ai peur qu'en une journée j'ai du mal à faire La Grande Muraille et la Cité Interdite : qu'en pensez-vous ?
Merci
Je me rends à Pekin pour 3 jours en novembre et je cherche un guide pour me faire découvrir la ville pendant une journée. Auriez-vous des contacts ?
J'ai peur qu'en une journée j'ai du mal à faire La Grande Muraille et la Cité Interdite : qu'en pensez-vous ?
Merci
Bonjour
Nous prévoyons de partir en Chine vers de 20 aout 2019 - en couple - 2 mois de voyage
Dans les 70 ans et en forme aimons découverte des minorités, randonnées, paysages époustouflants, hors des sentiers battus pas les touristes et rencontres avec les habitants et les bons petits plats chinois !
Cela parait introuvable avec les TO reconnus !!!!
Hôtels de luxes à proscrire - simplicité - propreté - confort requis
Aimerions trouver celui ou celle ayant fait ce voyage pouvant nous aider dans nos destinations et capable de répondre à notre curiosité
A l'avance MERCI
Nous avons passé 18 jours en Chine du 29 03 au 15 04 2019. Nous avons 73 et 68 ans et l’habitude de voyager à 2, 3,4 ou 5. Ici nous étions 2, en couple.
Nous avons fait appel à l’agence Ciel Yunnan dont nous avions apprécié les services en Novembre 2016 pour visiter le Yunnan.
Au programme Pékin, la grande Muraille, les environs de Datong, Pingyao, Xi’an (et l’armée de terre cuite), les rizières de Longji, la rivière Li, Shanghai, Suzhou, Hangzhou. Nous avons élaboré ce programme grâce à de nombreux échanges avec l’agence.
Nous avions un chauffeur pour les « petits » déplacements et nous sommes débrouillés seuls dans les villes. Nous avons pris un guide à Xi’an, ce qui nous a permis (au bout d’une semaine) d’avoir des réponses aux questions que nous nous posions sur la Chine.
Les hôtels et les différents billets (train, avion, certaines entrées) avaient été réservés par l’agence et faisaient partie du forfait.
Tout s’est parfaitement passé et nous ne pouvons que recommander cette agence où plusieurs personnes parlent parfaitement le français.
Ah, j’oubliais de dire qu’un mobile nous a été remis à notre arrivée, grâce auquel nous pouvions contacter l’agence à tout moment en cas de difficultés (nous l’avons utilisé surtout pour communiquer … avec notre chauffeur !)
Bonjour
Nous sommes un couple de 66 et 58 ans
Nous avons décidé cette année de partir en Chine 1 mois.
Nous comptons atterrir à Shanghaï où une amie chinoise réside et nous accueille. Puis nous pensons nous rendre à Pékin par TGV puis Xi'an et finir la dernière quinzaine dans le Yunnan et Gangxi .
Qui peut nous conseiller une agence sérieuse en Chine qui nous fournirait un véhicule avec chauffeur et nous conseiller sur les découvertes hors sentiers battus mais pas de randonnées de plusieurs jours (pas la santé pour le faire, dommage !).
Qui pourrait nous conseiller des Hôtels (pas d'usine à touristes) ou guesthouses sympas et confortables.
Qui pourrait nous dire des sites à surtout ne pas manquer, des restos pittoresques....
Merci d'avance aux voyageurs
Nous pouvons de notre côté vous faire profiter de nos expériences au Chili, au Pérou, en Bolivie, en Inde du nord, au Canada, au Vietnam, Cambodge, Myanmar, Thaïlande, Laos, Etats unis, Île de la réunion
Merci à tous
Nous pouvons de notre côté vous faire profiter de nos expériences au Chili, au Pérou, en Bolivie, en Inde du nord, au Canada, au Vietnam, Cambodge, Myanmar, Thaïlande, Laos, Etats unis, Île de la réunion
Merci à tous
bonjour à tous ))
j'avais une question sur les taxis de pekin svp.
A la sortie de l’aéroport, trouve t'on facilement des taxis et à toute heure? et combien de personnes max dedans du coup? car nous sommes 2 adultes et 5 enfants de 2 à 13 ans, mais du coup... moins facile de voyager ensemble je suppose? C'est pour une escale d'1 journée afin de visiter un petit peu Pekin.
Connaissez vous sinon un chauffeur sérieux et pas trop cher ?? car je vois chez les transporteurs des 300 euros la demi journée... faut pas abuser non plus !
Je ne souhaites pas utiliser le metro bus car je veux aller directement de l’aéroport à la muraille de chine sans passer par le centreville; merci beaucoup ))
j'avais une question sur les taxis de pekin svp.
A la sortie de l’aéroport, trouve t'on facilement des taxis et à toute heure? et combien de personnes max dedans du coup? car nous sommes 2 adultes et 5 enfants de 2 à 13 ans, mais du coup... moins facile de voyager ensemble je suppose? C'est pour une escale d'1 journée afin de visiter un petit peu Pekin.
Connaissez vous sinon un chauffeur sérieux et pas trop cher ?? car je vois chez les transporteurs des 300 euros la demi journée... faut pas abuser non plus !
Je ne souhaites pas utiliser le metro bus car je veux aller directement de l’aéroport à la muraille de chine sans passer par le centreville; merci beaucoup ))
Bonjour,
Je suis passé par des agences référencées sur ce site pour des devis sur la réservation de tous mes transports en Chine (hors grandes villes). Personnellement, je compte pour deux voyageurs : - 340 € en billets de train d'après fr.trip.com - 1200 € en voiture AC pour 11 journées plus quelques transferts hôtel/gare ou aéroport Soit un total d'environ 1540 €. Les agences me chiffrent à plus de 2600 €, ce qui me parait beaucoup. Qu'en pensez-vous ? Etes-vous passés par d'autres agences ?
Merci pour vos retours d'expérience.
Je suis passé par des agences référencées sur ce site pour des devis sur la réservation de tous mes transports en Chine (hors grandes villes). Personnellement, je compte pour deux voyageurs : - 340 € en billets de train d'après fr.trip.com - 1200 € en voiture AC pour 11 journées plus quelques transferts hôtel/gare ou aéroport Soit un total d'environ 1540 €. Les agences me chiffrent à plus de 2600 €, ce qui me parait beaucoup. Qu'en pensez-vous ? Etes-vous passés par d'autres agences ?
Merci pour vos retours d'expérience.
Bonjour a tous,
Je pars en Thaïlande le mois prochain et au retour j'ai une escale de 20h a Pekin. J'ai bien compris que je suis exemptée de visa mais que je dois rester dans la province dans laquelle je suis arrivée, je me demandais donc si aller à la grande Muraille (Mutianyu) était permis?
Et j'aurais une autre question concernant mes déplacements. J'ai trouvé un guide qui nous proposent de nous faire pour 700RMB le trajet: aéroport - grande muraille - hongqiao pearl market (centre pékin ) - aéroport Tout ça avec les entrées grande muraille non incluses / parking et péages inclus Cela vaut il le coup? Nous ne sommes la que très peu de temps donc le transports en communs semblaient un peu contraignants. Ce tarif avec chauffeur est il normal ou exorbitant selon vous?
D'avance merci et désolée pour mes questions qui pour certaines paraitront peut être naives mais je ne connais quasi pas Pékin.
ML
Je pars en Thaïlande le mois prochain et au retour j'ai une escale de 20h a Pekin. J'ai bien compris que je suis exemptée de visa mais que je dois rester dans la province dans laquelle je suis arrivée, je me demandais donc si aller à la grande Muraille (Mutianyu) était permis?
Et j'aurais une autre question concernant mes déplacements. J'ai trouvé un guide qui nous proposent de nous faire pour 700RMB le trajet: aéroport - grande muraille - hongqiao pearl market (centre pékin ) - aéroport Tout ça avec les entrées grande muraille non incluses / parking et péages inclus Cela vaut il le coup? Nous ne sommes la que très peu de temps donc le transports en communs semblaient un peu contraignants. Ce tarif avec chauffeur est il normal ou exorbitant selon vous?
D'avance merci et désolée pour mes questions qui pour certaines paraitront peut être naives mais je ne connais quasi pas Pékin.
ML
Bonjour,
Je suis entrain d'élaborer mon séjour en Chine et je compte m'arrêter 4 jours dans la région de Guilin-Yangshuo.
A travers la lecture de plusieurs forums je constate que la région vaut le détour et de nombreux spots sont à voir. Je constate aussi que les "packages" proposées par les agences de voyage sont prohibitifs...du coup je privilégie une visite de la région par mes propres moyens.
Quelqu'un peut-il me renseigner sur le coût d'une location de voiture avec chauffeur pour la journée ? J'ai lu qu'il y avait aussi un réseau de bus qui dessert beaucoup d'endroits mais je souhaite ne pas trop perdre de temps dans les transports.
Merci à tous
