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Hello everyone!

I’m planning an 18-day trip to Bali between June 12th and 30th. I’ve been to Bali twice before, in 1981 and 1982, but I know it’s changed a lot since then. I have a rough itinerary in mind but I’m open to tweaking it based on any advice I can get:

- Arriving the evening of June 12th, 2 nights in Sanur. Not because I’m particularly attached to Sanur, but just to rest a bit before heading further; - 3 nights in Lovina; - 3 nights in Ubud; - 2 nights in Kintamani (I remember being blown away by the view of the giant caldera!); - 2 nights in Besakih; - 1 night in Sidemen; - 3 nights in Candi Dasa; - 2 nights back in Ubud to wrap up, in case we’ve made any purchases or have shopping plans. By shopping, I mean handicrafts (fabrics, batik, etc.), and I think Ubud is the perfect place for that.

I’m a bit unsure about public transport, especially for getting from Kintamani down to Candi Dasa via Besakih and Sidemen.

We’re traveling as a couple—I forgot to mention that! We’re seasoned travelers and used to packing light. Also, I speak pretty good Bahasa Indonesia, having lived in Indonesia a long time ago!

What do the ‘experts’ think?

A few days ago, I came across a chart showing a number of cities around the world ranked by cost and quality of life. The source is the Numbeo database, based in Serbia, dated August 2026. There will undoubtedly be a thousand possible questions and criticisms. The main objection is methodological. Anyone with an internet connection can rate a city, so the sample is neither random nor representative, and its size varies enormously from one city to another. Numbeo describes the ranking as reflecting the perceptions and experiences of its contributors rather than measured results.



Is this an appropriate topic for VF? I think so. When traveling abroad, you notice huge differences in lifestyle and naturally ask yourself: is it better here than there, or than at home? The question arises differently depending on the type of trip—short or medium-term tourism, or medium to long-term residence.

And we’re back to the methodology problem. Since anyone can submit ratings to the database, how do we know whether the ranking of a city like Novgorod, Quito, or Islamabad (chosen at random) comes from travelers, foreign residents, or only people who are native to the place and have never left their hometown?

The cost of living in the database is indexed based on restaurant prices, transportation, services, housing (rented or purchased), and income. Fair enough. For quality of life, they mention safety, medical services, traffic, pollution, and climate. I would have liked to see social quality of life (interpersonal relationships, nightlife, shows, restaurants, etc.) as well as the possibility of pleasant and interesting excursions included.

That said, I don’t think it’s completely meaningless. In any case, it can serve as a starting point for those interested in the topic. So, I’m posting the original chart here, along with two versions with my personal annotations. A few comments:

- In principle and in my opinion, there should be a simple cost-quality relationship, which I represent with a diagonal sector running from the bottom-left quadrant to the top-right quadrant—that is, from cheap but low-quality cities to expensive cities offering a higher quality of life. It’s no surprise to find several Australian cities at one extreme of this sector, for example. Take Melbourne: sure, it’s a very pleasant city to live in, but living or visiting there is very expensive.



- The bottom-right and top-left quadrants: these are the cities that don’t fit this expected relationship:

o Bottom-right quadrant: expensive cities with mediocre quality of life. London and Paris are here, along with several U.S. cities. No surprise there. The worst is Los Angeles, closely followed by London, Paris, New York, Chicago, Milan... I don’t think that’s a huge revelation. o Top-left quadrant: relatively affordable cities with a good quality of life. We find cities in Brazil (Curitiba, Florianópolis), Turkey (Antalya), Spain, and Portugal. I’m intrigued by the presence of Russian cities and Islamabad—again, who are the people rating these cities?



I was drawn to this chart after returning from a trip to Japan. I know some travelers don’t think much of Tokyo, but I had a good impression of it. So, I’m inclined to agree with ranking Tokyo right near Lisbon in the best quadrant. I’m even wondering if it wouldn’t be a good idea to move there for a few months. Other cities in Japan could be worth considering...

What do you think?

I had to leave Thailand as my 60-day visa was coming to an end, and this time I opted for a 14-day visit to Japan. I’d already spent 3 days in Tokyo a few years ago on a business trip, which left me with a great impression. Y, my Thai partner, had never been there. That’s why we chose a fairly classic itinerary, including a few castles and Kyoto among other things.

Before diving into the details of our trip, I’d like to recap the expenses we incurred. This will be useful for some of you, and it’ll help us prepare for our next trip to Japan.

I’ve categorized our expenses into 5 groups: - Hotels: 1150 € (breakfast included) - Transportation: 278 € (trains, buses) - Big expenses: 487 € (souvenirs and a few necessary items) - Excursions: 116 € (museum visits, temples, castles) - Daily expenses: 1125 € (meals, small purchases) Total = 3194 €, or 228 € per day on average. I’m excluding flights, as those depend on everyone’s arrangements (departure location, travel dates, etc.).

Jpeg below: apologies for “hotel” without a circumflex—my software isn’t French!



For hotels, we always chose decent but not luxurious places, well-located to let us walk to and from transportation hubs. We systematically avoided taxis, which are notoriously expensive in Japan. We’ve also gotten into the habit over several trips of traveling with minimal luggage: one duffel bag each (7-8 kg) plus the small carry-on allowed on planes (2-3 kg). This lets us travel with three sets of clothes (what we’re wearing plus two changes). We add a checked bag for the return trip to accommodate the things we buy along the way.

‘Transportation’ and ‘Big expenses’: I’ll give more details in the day-by-day account.

We didn’t do any extravagant excursions, like safaris or sports activities.

Meals and food make up the bulk of our daily expenses. We often ate at izakayas, which offer great value—between 2000 and 6000 yen for two (about 11-12 to 33-34 € for two, usually around 20-25 €). We didn’t hold back, but we also didn’t go to high-end restaurants.

More to come while I gather my photos: General Remarks.

Hello,

I know there are plenty of discussions on VF about the Poon Hill trek, but most seem outdated and/or don’t provide info specific to February. That’s why I’m bringing this topic back up.

Here’s my plan: - Spending about two weeks in Nepal in the first half of February. - Maybe extending by a few days to a week if needed. - Heading to Pokhara—first time for my partner, second for me (I was there in September/October 1982!). - Doing a relatively easy 4- to 5-day trek. We’re not exactly spring chickens anymore (though we’re in pretty good shape for our age). - We don’t want to go above 3,000–3,500 meters, deal with difficult sections if there’s too much snow, or face daytime temperatures below 10°C. No problem if it drops to 0–5°C at night since we’ll be sheltered somewhere.

So, I’m wondering if the Mardi Himal trek might be too demanding for us, and if we’d be better off sticking with Poon Hill. What do the experts think?

I have two questions about applying for a Non-Immigrant O Visa at the Thai embassy in France for someone over 50: - - Do I need to provide the address(es) of stay in Thailand (hotels, staying with a Thai friend)? - - Financial proof: Is a retirement statement showing over 2,000 € per month sufficient, or are bank statements also required?

I know there’s already a lot of information about the visa requirements on the embassy’s website, but from my experience—having dealt with embassies in other countries in previous years—I know that the information is sometimes (!) incomplete or inconsistent. So, I’d rather hear from people who’ve recently gone through this process to avoid any surprises after submitting my application, which could cause unpleasant delays.

Hello everyone on this forum! I know in advance that what I'm about to say here won't please everyone, but honesty is a virtue, isn't it? Here's the thing: for many years now, I've noticed a habit in French-speaking posts of using abbreviations left and right, as if to show that we're "in the know." Let me explain with a few examples: - - In discussions about Peru, I see "Aguas" for "Aguas Calientes." And if it's Mexico, well, it'll be "Aguas" for "Aguascalientes"! - - For Guatemala, "travelers" will say "Guaté." Come on, saying "Guatemalas" would maybe be the undeniable sign that you know nothing about the country??? - - Back from Indonesia, many will talk about how familiar they've become with the country's language: "bahasa." Of course, everyone will know what you're talking about, but it still gets on my nerves because the language (one of the many languages) of Indonesia is "bahasa Indonesia." "Bahasa" actually means "language," and you'll find this word of Indian origin ‘Bhāṣā’ (it's Sanskrit originally) outside Indonesia too: in Thailand, for example, any language will be "phasa" as in "phasa thai" (official Thai), "phasa isan" (what's spoken in northeastern Thailand), "phasa angkrit" = English, etc. Am I an incorrigible nitpicker? Maybe. But I'd also find it ridiculous if a foreigner came and told me they visited "Monte" during their trip to France, when it was actually Monte Carlo. I read a lot in English and don't think I've encountered such a habit among English speakers.

Hi everyone!

I’m planning a short visit to Pokhara around mid-February 2027 (it’ll be my 4th time in Nepal 😊, over 40 years!). I’d like to book a room in advance rather than looking when I arrive. I’ve checked a bit on Bxxking.com and see lots of options. I’m used to scoping out the surroundings of places listed, just to avoid ending up in areas that are either unappealing or far from everything.

So, I see quite a few offers around the lake (Lakeside?), but every time I check what it looks like, the streets seem really uninviting. It’s kind of like a construction site with buildings everywhere… Nothing like Bhaktapur (for example) or even Thamel, where the streets seem way more pleasant.

Could anyone give me some advice?

Also, I don’t really get the impression that Pokhara is worth a visit of several days. The lake, sure, but once you’ve seen it—what else is there?

We did the Langtang trek (hike) from September 10th to 17th, with the first and last days being the trip from Kathmandu and back—so 6 days of actual walking. It’s a fairly well-known trek but certainly not as famous or crowded as those in the Annapurna or Everest regions, which is why we chose it.

In theory, it’s mandatory to have a guide for this trek. In reality, it seems there are ways to bypass the regulations: we met at least two people hiking without a guide—a South Korean, a New Zealander, and possibly also a couple of English women and an American couple, though we’re not sure if they had a guide.

The agency we booked with had told us it was an affordable trek for relatively older people in good shape—which is our case (I’m 72 myself). I have to say upfront that we found it quite challenging, maybe because we didn’t have good weather—it was the end of the monsoon season. To be clear, no matter your fitness level, I’d say doing this trek in the middle of the monsoon season would be suicidal.

Day 1 – Journey from Kathmandu to Syapru Besi

On Monday, September 8th, there had been violent protests in Kathmandu against the government, which had, among other things, blocked access to social media and been accused of nepotism and corruption. There were 19 deaths. The situation was very tense on the day of our departure, Wednesday the 10th. The agency warned us that public transport was very unreliable. So, we decided to take a jeep, at an additional cost of $100 ($160 minus what was already budgeted for the bus).

We left a little before 7 a.m. and it took us a good hour just to reach the outskirts of Kathmandu. Along the way, we saw several houses and vehicles set on fire by protesters.

The road to Syapru Besi is only 120 km, but it’s frankly awful. It’s always narrow, winds through endless mountains, and the shoulders range from bad to confusing to nonexistent. Several sections are just dirt tracks. We didn’t regret opting for the jeep, as we could stop several times at our convenience—if only to let Y (my Thai partner) throw up everything she had. She’d taken her usual motion sickness medication, but the constant turns, accelerations, and braking eventually made her terribly carsick.

In Nuwakot, we stopped for breakfast at a nice little restaurant, Jimbu. It was around 8:30 a.m., and we’d barely covered 60 km. The restaurant has a lovely garden overlooking the Trishuli Ganga, the river flowing down from Syapru Besi. First photo: the river in the bottom right corner, mist and clouds over the mountain on the other side.

An hour later, my second photo: the hills along the Trishuli Ganga. You can see the different crops—lush green rice paddies in the lower right and corn, already yellowed and likely harvested, in the foreground on the left. And of course, the mist and clouds through which you can glimpse the mountain on the other side of the river.

My partner and I are planning a 2-week trip to Goa from late September to early October. It’s sandwiched between a trip to Nepal (September) and our return home to Thailand. We can’t stay longer, but cutting it shorter wouldn’t be worth the effort or flight costs.

I’ve visited several regions of India in the past (between 2000 and 2020) and spent a total of about 4 months there. My only time in Goa was a few days in Palolem in 2007—I didn’t like it. I found the place almost sordid with all the crowds... not at all the India I love.

But I have an Indian friend with 2 or 3 apartments in a residence in North Goa who keeps telling me to visit. I’m tempted. But where should we go? I don’t want to rent from him because it’s expensive (high-end) and I don’t want to feel too dependent on him either.

After 2 days in Panaji (since it’s near GOI), I’ve booked 5 days in Mandrem, which I’ve heard great things about. This’ll let us explore the Arambol area. I’m hesitant to stay there longer—if we don’t like it or get bored after a few days, spending the full 2 weeks there isn’t ideal! I’m thinking of trying South Goa instead, somewhere between Benaulim and Agonda. The downside? All the rumors about the vibe in different spots—loud techno here, jet skis there, "paunchy English tourists" elsewhere, package tours everywhere... not to mention the expected influx of Russians and/or Israelis (I’ve seen this in other parts of India, Thailand, and Vietnam). Plus, accommodation options are way more limited in the south.

Basically, I’m leaning toward Agonda—relaxed but not too quiet or isolated. But there’s so little availability on sites like Booking and Agoda...

Any recent tips or advice from folks who’ve been to Goa lately? I’d really appreciate it, thanks in advance!

I'm planning a return trip to India next year, and this time I want to check out what's nice on the way up to Manali. Since the bus rides are really long coming from the plains (Chandigarh or even Delhi), I'm looking for a place to stop along the way (my partner and I). I’ve spotted Kullu, about an hour from Manali, but no matter how much I study the map, I can’t tell if there’s an actual town there. We really don’t want to end up in some isolated hotel that’s only convenient for people traveling with their own transport—definitely not our style. We prefer to drop our bags in a room, freshen up a bit, then wander around streets or alleys with at least a little life.

So, I’m wondering if we’d be better off just skipping Kullu altogether.

What do you think, folks who’ve been there before?

Les Mythes Touristiques

Dans un carnet que je suis en train d'écrire sur un voyage récent au Mexique, nous sommes arrivés à une petite discussion sur les fameux groupes de musiciens Mexicains, les mariachis. Il existe un mythe selon lequel « mariachi » serait une déformation du mot Français « mariage », et que cela viendrait des fêtes tenues par les Français lors de leurs quelques années d’occupation du Mexique, dans les années 1860 et quelques. Je cite l’un des intervenants sur mon poste Mexicain :

« Les français organisaient de grandes fêtes aux mariages et avaient l'habitude d'inviter des musiciens…. Mariachi serait une déformation du mot mariage ..? »

Ce mythe a été réfuté car il a été prouvé que le terme « mariachi » était d’usage longtemps avant la peu glorieuse « Intervention » de la France au Mexique (c’était sous Napoléon III).

Plusieurs mythes semblables circulent. Certains semblent être propagés à l’intention des touristes, pour leur donner l’illusion de « mieux comprendre le pays », pour donner une profondeur supplémentaire à leurs voyages, pour alimenter leurs conversations avec les amis quand ils sont de retour. Car tout cela gonfle l’égo et donne envie de faire d’autres voyages, ça alimente le tourisme. D’où revenus, tiens donc, pour qui ?

Mais d’autres mythes existent qui ne sont peut-être pas créés à but lucratif.

Vous connaissez sans aucun doute de tels mythes et je vous propose de les partager. Et de donner les raisons pour lesquelles ces mythes existent.

I recently took a six-week trip to Mexico with Y, my Thai partner. To be precise, we spent 43 days there plus a final half-day before heading to Mexico City Airport for our return flight to Europe.

I’d already been to Mexico about 40 years ago! But that was only for a week or so, between Mérida and the Belize border.

First off, I should mention that I’ve never seen a beach in Mexico. I say this because discussions about Mexico always seem to revolve around the Costa / Riviera Maya.

Let’s start with an overview of the trip. Our itinerary can be split into two halves:

- First half: Querétaro, San Miguel de Allende, Morelia, Guanajuato, Mexico City “CDMX” (the capital). - Second half: Palenque, San Cristóbal de Las Casas, Chiapa de Corzo, Oaxaca, Puebla, Cholula, and finally Mexico City CDMX.

To move from one part of the trip to the other, we took a flight from Mexico City CDMX to Villahermosa, then a bus to Palenque.

In six weeks, we visited maybe a quarter or a fifth of the country (see the attached maps). Mexico is about three times the size of France! And when I say “visited,” it was really just a quick stop—enough to get a first impression. I understand that some people can only spend one or two weeks on vacation in a given country, but that’s not my idea of travel. Personally, I’d say a country as rich in every way as Mexico deserves several months of travel before you can say you’ve “seen” it.

In my next post, I’ll break down the expenses. That might help future travelers plan their trips. You don’t go to a country for several weeks (or more) without thinking about the budget! Besides, one of those future travelers to Mexico is us—we were so thrilled by Mexico that we’re definitely going back.

J'aurais une petite question pour ceux/celles qui connaissent un peu l'aéroport de Mexico. Nous sommes déjà plutôt chargés après 4 semaines passées au Mexique et nous ne pouvons plus tellement continuer à acheter habits, couvertures, rideaux et je ne sais trop quoi d'autre (il y a tant de jolies choses dans ce pays). Sera-t-il encore possible de faire quelques achats à l'aéroport avec assez de choix et à des prix raisonnables ? Je pense à : bouteille de Mezcal, articles en cuir, textiles divers...

La situation que j'envisage est la suivante:

Ma compagne est de nationalité Thailandaise. Elle arriverait à CDG Terminal 2, venant du Mexique sur un vol Aeromexico, et continuerait le même jour avec un vol de Thai Airways de CDG à Bangkok, sans l'intention d'entrer dans l'espace Schengen. Comme Thai Airways opèrent à partir du Terminal 1, la question brûlante est de savoir si elle peut transiter du Terminal 2 au Terminal 1 sans avoir à passer l'immigration. En principe, je dirais "oui" puisqu'il s'agirait d'un transit entre destinations hors de Schengen, mais la logistique entre les deux terminaux ne me semble pas être facile.

Je serais obligé à qui pourrait éclairer ma lanterne….

Bonjour à tous,

Nous allons au Mexique pour 6 semaines dans les semaines qui viennent (et non, pas à la "Riviera Maya") et nous nous demandons si ce serait une bonne idée d'avoir quelques dollars US en poche, en réserve. Sinon, nous changerions Euros > Pesos aux ATM's au fur et à mesure….

Et dans la même lignée, est-il possible de changer Euros > Pesos à l'aéroport CDG, histoire d'avoir un peu d'argent local à l'arrivée à Mexico et de ne pas avoir immédiatement à chercher un ATM?

Ma compagne Y, de nationalité Thaïlandaise, a récemment eu des difficultés au moment de l'enregistrement pour ses vols de Bangkok à Paris (via une capitale Européenne). Je ne dirai pas avec quelle compagnie aérienne cela s’est passé, car je suis sûr que des problèmes similaires pourraient survenir avec toute autre compagnie … et à partir d’autres aéroports que Suvarnabhumi.

Le visa Schengen "catégorie C" autorise une personne à passer un total de 90 jours dans l’espace Schengen sur une durée de 180 jours. On peut avoir droit à une seule entrée, à deux entrées, ou à des entrées multiples.

Y avait donc un visa C valide sur une durée "totale" de 6 mois, avec entrées multiples et bien sûr précisant une durée "nette" de séjour de 90 jours. Avec un tel visa, nous avions prévu d’interrompre son séjour dans l’espace Schengen avant d’atteindre ces 90 jours, avec un voyage de 45 jours en Amérique Latine. Au retour dans l’espace Schengen, Y aurait passé quelques derniers jours en France avant de retourner en Thaïlande. Le total des jours passés avant et après ce voyage en Amérique Latine étant de moins de 90 jours.

Le problème à Suvarnabhumi était dû à la confusion du personnel aux comptoirs d’enregistrement pour les vols. Ils ont vu qu’entre l’arrivée dans l’espace Schengen et le retour en Thaïlande au départ de Paris, avec la même compagnie, il y avait une durée excédent les fameux « 90 jours Schengen ». Y a eu beau expliquer qu’elle avait une sortie prévue de l’espace Schengen de 45 jours, et montrer les réservations d’avion correspondantes, et que le total passé dans l’espace Schengen resterait en deçà des 90 jours, le personnel de Suvarnabhumi n’a pas voulu en démordre et a insisté pour que Y change ses vols de retour en Thaïlande (au prix fort). Faute de quoi Y ne serait pas admise à l’embarquement.

D’où une série de communications frustrantes entre Y et moi (qui l’attendait à Paris). J’ai répété par écrit, pour la n-ième fois, comment le visa Schengen fonctionne et que nos plans de voyage étaient parfaitement en accord avec les règlements Schengen. Ce n’est qu’une heure avant le décollage qu’un employé de la compagnie en question l’a confirmé et a autorisé l’embarquement de Y. On peut imaginer sa détresse en attente jusqu’au dernier moment à Suvarnabhumi.

La suite est sans histoire. Passage à l’immigration au transit par la capitale Européenne avant de poursuivre avec le vol pour Paris: pas une question. Comme la proverbiale lettre à la poste.

Je partage cette expérience sur VF car une telle mésaventure pourrait arriver à d’autres. Je trouve totalement inexcusable que le personnel de Suvarnabhumi ne connaisse pas suffisamment le mode de fonctionnement du visa Schengen et se permette d’imposer des vues erronées aux voyageurs. J’ai d’ailleurs écrit à ce sujet à la compagnie aérienne (bureau de Suvarnabhumi). Reste à voir s’il y aura une réponse.

Comme je viens juste de faire mes réservations d’avion pour le Mexique, où je vais passer 6 semaines en octobre et début novembre, je commence à jeter un coup d’œil sur la carte et à me dégrossir un itinéraire. En gros, je vois la chose comme ça :

- Jour 1 : Arrivée à Mexico City le matin, donc toute la journée pour récupérer du voyage. - Jours 2-4 : Mexico City et environs immédiats, Teotihuacan etc - Jours 5-16 : rien de prévu pour ces 12 jours jusqu’ici, sauf que j’aimerais faire un tour vers Querétaro et 2 ou 3 autres endroits sympas pas trop loin au nord de Mexico City, puis redescendre vers Puebla en contournant Mexico City – passant par Cuernavaca peut-être ? - Jours 17-18 : Puebla - Jour 19 : bus Puebla > Oaxaca - Jours 20-23 : Oaxaca – Monte Alban etc - Jour 24 : bus Oaxaca > Zipolite …. Je sais, tout le monde dit que c’est très long mais j’espère que c’est faisable. - Jours 25-27 : Zipolite plage - Jour 28 : bus Zipolite > Tehuantepec - Jour 29 : Tehuantepec - Jour 30 : bus Tehuantepec > San Cristobal de las Casas. - Jours 31-34 : SCdlC et environs - Jour 35 : bus SCdlC > Palenque - Jour 36 : Palenque - Jour 37 : bus Palenque – Villahermosa - Jours 38-40 : Villahermosa, visiter le site de La Venta - Jour 41 : avion Villahermosa > Mexico City - Jours 42-43 : Mexico City - Jour 44 : avion de retour sur Paris

J’ai en gros deux grosses questions : - - Quels endroits visiter pendant ces 12 jours 5-16, au nord de Mexico City ? - - J’aimerais si possible aller voir un volcan, mais sans chercher la difficulté ni avoir à louer de l’équipement spécialisé. Je ne vois pas très bien à quel endroit de mon itinéraire cela pourrait se faire : idées, conseils ?

Et bien sûr, je ne suis pas à un jour près, cet itinéraire n'est qu'à titre indicatif.

Pour le reste, je crois que vous pouvez voir d’après mon itinéraire que j’aime bien prendre mon temps. Je ne crois pas trop à la formule « transport le matin, visite du site A, coup de sifflet, transport, visite du site B, coup de sifflet, retour à l’aéroport, etc etc ». Je suis conscient des énormes distances à couvrir en bus mais ce ne sera pas la première fois que j’entreprendrai un voyage de ce genre. Je suis d’ailleurs déjà allé à plusieurs endroits de l’Amérique Latine, dont le Mexique, et je me débrouille assez bien en Espagnol …. Ça aide !

Donc, si vous avez des conseils et des suggestions, ce serait bien aimable à vous !

J ai cherché sur le net mais je n'ai rien trouvé de clair sur la question :

J'ai fait une réservation de vols Europe-Colombie A/R et je me suis rendu compte que trop tard du transit par les USA (Je sais je sais, j'aurais dû vérifier!).

Cette réservation est pour 2 personnes et l'une d'elles vient de se faire refuser un visa de transit USA. Pourquoi, je n'arrive pas à le comprendre mais c'est un autre sujet.

La question est donc de savoir si l'autre personne pour laquelle la réservation à été faite, munie bien sûr du visa de transit, pourra entreprendre seule le voyage.

Il y a des experts de ces questions sur VF, Je suis sûr qu'ils auront la réponse !

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de préparer un voyage de 6 semaines (peut-être moins) vers fin Septembre à début Novembre en Amérique du Sud avec les destinations suivantes :

- Europe – Rio de Janeiro. - Rio de Janeiro : 3 ou 4 jours - De Rio à Iguacu en passant par la côte : Ilha Grande, Angra dos Reis e Parati. Peut-être une bonne dizaine de jours. - Iguaçu: 2 jours en comptant les 2 côtés Brésil et Argentine. - Nord de l’Argentine : Cordoba, Mendoza : 2 semaines ? - Passage des Andes vers le Chili, Santiago et Valparaiso : une bonne semaine. - Retour en Argentine et en route vers Buenos Aires : 3 ou 4 jours. - Buenos Aires : 4 jours. - Retour en Europe à partir de Buenos Aires.

Je ne suis pas à un jour près pour aucun de ces points de chute, ni pour le total du voyage. Je ne cherche pas non plus, maintenant même, à tout fixer au jour le jour. Je cherche seulement à cerner la durée totale du voyage de facon à pouvoir aller sur les sites de réservation des vols. Une fois les vols « dans la poche », je me pencherai de plus près sur l’itinéraire.

Ce serait donc sympa de la part des forumistes qui sont déjà passés par les endroits que j’ai cités de me donner leur avis sur le temps adéquat qu’il me faudrait compter, grosso modo. Bien évidemment, je ne refuserai pas les tuyaux intéressants non plus !