Cancellation of my British Airways return flight to Phoenix and emergency landing
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I just had to bring back another unforgettable souvenir besides my simple hotel hassle for Thanksgiving in Page, Arizona! So, I decided to head back last Wednesday on "the" flight that was going to have a problem leaving Phoenix! 😉

Just to remind you, last year I had a flight delay issue due to a Lufthansa strike.

This year, I decided to go even bigger! ... So, we board British Airways flight BA0288 out of Phoenix. Everything goes well until takeoff. The plane takes off, we're in the air for about 30 minutes, and then they announce that the plane is turning back to land in Phoenix due to an issue with one of the engines...

I’d later find out from videos that the engine in question was simply spewing flames... Terrifying! 🤪

So, back to Phoenix airport—I’ll spare you the details—flight canceled. At 3 AM, British Airways staff finally manage to find me a new flight (the same one the next day, by the way). So, after 5 endless hours of waiting, I know I’m leaving 24 hours later, on December 7th at 8:40 PM.

I ask them to book me a hotel room, since that was the condition for agreeing to leave 24 hours after my original flight.

The British Airways staff tell me all the hotels are fully booked and that basically, I’m on my own.

So, just to clarify... *All* the hotels in Phoenix. I did a quick search—about 62,000 rooms fully booked in Phoenix! Wow! 😛

Thanks, British! So, stuck on foot in an airport at 3 AM, with zero desire to drop $100 on a taxi to find a hotel, and the same the next day to get back—especially since I can’t trust them to book a room, and I doubt they’d reimburse me easily afterward... I end up more or less forced to sleep in the airport...

I’ll spare you even more details—no meal the next day, not even a drink... Just a bottle of water and a sandwich the first night (I should’ve taken more if I’d known...).

The next day, British Airways staff finally show up around 4:30 PM, fresh, well-rested, and showered... Meanwhile, I’d been struggling like a homeless person in that damn airport, sleeping on the floor, filthy...

I ask to see the manager, explain my misadventure after an emergency landing, and remind them that the least they could do was help me get a hotel room.

The manager—super cold and borderline rude... All she can say is:

"We’ve done everything we can for you. Have a good flight, sir!"

So, I wanted to give British Airways a little shout-out.

Of course, since then, British Airways hasn’t responded to messages or even tags on social media...

Now, I just have to deal with the compensation claims, which are well-deserved this time...

To be continued...
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CA Caussat Globetrotter ·
Hello! Olive,

Black cat? ... I haven’t booked anything yet for this summer. If you’re heading back, can you share your flights so I can avoid them? 😎

Anyway, good luck to you. Do you think you’re entitled to compensation?

Caussat
YE YellowRock Veteran ·
Oh no! 😐 That’s crazy! 😮

(My flight this summer is with BA 😏)
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
True, I do tend to accumulate them a bit! 😛 I had 4 magical weeks, but the return trip was a bit rough... A total of 51 hours to get back. The worst part was that on the return flight, I was next to a guy who threw up the whole way... Lol 😎
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Y7 Y7sag6er1 Veteran ·
You shouldn't have come back.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPn52kRQx3k😉
MI Michelzen Globetrotter ·
The plane takes off, we stay in the air for about 30 minutes, and then they announce that the plane is going to turn back to land in Phoenix due to a problem with one of the engines... I later discovered in videos that the engine in question was simply spewing flames... Terrifying! 🤪 Now I just have to deal with compensation claims for what’s well deserved...

Given what you’re describing, ... compensation ... won’t amount to anything ... ask for a goodwill gesture instead, and if you had any expenses, request reimbursement for those ... that’s something that should go through.
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen! Michel France (85)
MO Moumouthe Regular ·
ugh, this sucks😡
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DE Dennis Globetrotter ·
......definitely not British Airways' finest moment......not a great return flight.... .....I'll come back to share the rest! !
LE Leeloo75 Veteran ·
Hello,

ElviajeroPar gives great advice when it comes to flight delays 😉
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hello Olive,

No doubt you’re a black cat 😉😉😉. You must’ve had accommodation and meals covered, and for some reason that needs looking into, it’s impossible that ALL the hotels were fully booked. They probably have agreements with a few, and those were full—that makes more sense. I’ve been flying BA regularly for about 25 years and never had the slightest problem. A technical or mechanical issue is unfortunately possible with any airline, but BA’s handling of the situation in Phoenix was poor and unacceptable—there’s no denying that.
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SE Seb6210 Veteran ·
Really not my lucky day, and not very customer-friendly of British Airways not to put us up for the night 😐
GI Gilou02 Veteran ·
Hi, Over the past few years, I’ve flown British Airways to the US several times. No issues—super friendly staff and really low fares this year in August for June 2018, 335 € round-trip Paris-LAX on the A380. British Airways is a great airline, and I much prefer it over Air France, which I avoid at all costs.

Once you're there, did you check Booking.com or Hotels.com? It surprises me that all the hotels in Phoenix are fully booked in December. I just did a quick search for the same day and found over 63 hotels with availability starting at 32 €. You could’ve used your Visa Premier or Mastercard Gold credit card insurance, which covers expenses like delays, meals, hotels, and transport up to 450 €. Mastercard Gold terms for Crédit Agricole and Crédit Mutuel: www.ca-centrest.fr/..._gold_mastercard.pdf Page 26

www.creditmutuel.fr/...d-gold-assurance.pdf Page 14
BL Blagajcity Globetrotter ·
hi

that sucks

I usually take this route but LHR/PHX outbound and LAS/LHR return

the "no rooms available" thing in Phoenix is just wild...
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Yes, of course, no free room in Phoeni**x** is totally out of the question... On the other hand, it’s very likely that if I’d taken a taxi at 3 AM to look for a hotel, it would’ve been a real hassle...
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Yeah, I totally agree with you about the prices. But at 3 AM, it was already December 7th, and the hotels for the 6th were no longer showing up in the searches. I think the only question we should be asking is: Why didn’t the British Airways agents bother to pick up the phone to find a hotel? It’s not more complicated than that. It’s just a lack of willingness that seems huge to me, especially after an emergency landing... The airline is clearly 100% responsible. I wouldn’t even think of leaving a stranger to fend for themselves in my city to find a hotel room. It’s so simple for them to know which hotels are closest and make a quick call. It’s weird, but this will teach me to always check the available hotels and their contact info the day before I leave a place.
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Oh my god. It really worries me to be a jinx like you say. Lol It’s true that I’ve been racking them up for the past two years. :) But I’m a bit like you. I’ve been flying British Airways for years and never had the slightest problem. So I think it can happen to anyone with this airline. The more I talk to people around me, the more I post online, the more I realize that a lot of other people have had issues with British Airways... What worries me the most about this is maybe the idea of poor aircraft maintenance. I wonder if the fact that airlines are 100% tied to shareholders doesn’t play a role in planes being less and less well-maintained. Because in the end, the fact that I wasn’t rebooked really bruised my ego, but the idea of an engine catching fire on takeoff—I wonder why that wasn’t spotted before takeoff. ... I find that super worrying.
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JW JWO Veteran ·
Hi Olive, I had the exact same thing happen on December 2, 2017, leaving Las Vegas. After confirming my flight on Thursday for a Saturday departure (email received from BA) — LAS - LAX - LHR — I was completely shocked when I arrived at the airport. The LAX - LHR flight was cancelled!!!!!!. Luckily, I dealt with an amazing manager who, after several phone calls, found me a direct flight from LAS to LHR. The only issue? No one to talk to at the BA counter to even get a drink. I got to the airport at 10:30 AM for a 1:15 PM flight and ended up leaving at 6:30 PM. That’s 8 hours of waiting. I’m going to write to BA to get... what? I don’t even know yet. The worst part is I received an email saying the LHR - Luxembourg flight was full and BA was offering me free carry-on baggage. I didn’t understand because I checked that email at home...... I get the feeling there’s a bit of a "mess" at this airline. The American Airlines and BA merger isn’t going too well, because I remember a similar episode two years ago... I still don’t know why my flight was cancelled, because at the counter the agent told me it wasn’t true. She didn’t hesitate to lie, probably to avoid giving me a cancellation certificate. Have a good day
Janine
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
As I’ve said before, everyone here has had their share of airline problems, and I don’t think we can jump to conclusions. That said, regardless of price, we all have our preferences or airlines and airports we avoid. Recently, Air France also faced a major technical issue, and a huge logistical operation was set up to get passengers to L.A.

http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/avarie-moteur-sur-un-a380-d-air-france-les-differents-scenarios-06-10-2017-2162654_23.php

The aircraft, which had been stuck in Goose Bay, just returned to CDG a few days ago after a little over two months on site.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/07/la380-accidente-dair-france-a-quitte-goose-bay/

But where BA really dropped the ball in Phoenix was in handling the incident.
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
You’re covered by the compensation rules under European legislation. An engine failure counts as maintenance, so it’s not an unforeseeable event outside the airline’s control.
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Yeah, that’s what I think too, but I wonder if British Airways isn’t just avoiding answering what the options are...
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Check out the member’s recommended site mentioned a bit earlier.
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Yes, thanks. I used this site as inspiration to write my letter. I’m not someone who’s usually into procedures at all. But given the situation, I really don’t want to let this slide. I’ll send them this letter by registered mail and see what happens. Logically, I’m clearly within the group of people who qualify for 600 € in compensation. An engine fire is definitely not an extraordinary circumstance that would absolve the airline of responsibility. And I arrived 24 hours late. I’d still like an apology, though. But I’m afraid I’ll just have to suck it up for that.
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BA Bairrovoyage Veteran ·
I think this is your case on 6.12.2017?

06.12.2017: A British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVM performing flight BA-288 from Phoenix, AZ (USA) to London Heathrow, EN (UK) with 234 people on board, was in the initial climb out of Phoenix's runway 08 when the crew declared Mayday, Mayday, Mayday reporting the #3 engine (RB211, inboard right hand) was shut down and advising they'd stop the climb at 6000 feet and enter a hold. A runway inspection was conducted, the next arrival needed to go around due to the ongoing runway inspection. While in the hold the crew advised they had no fire and wanted to dump fuel, the aircraft climbed to 8000 feet later 10,000 feet, dumped fuel and returned to Phoenix for a safe landing on runway 08 about one hour after departure.

I think you should still claim the 600 € provided for by EC261/2004 regulations by writing to British Airways. I reckon British Airways will respond with "exceptional circumstances," sorry... maybe offer a measly voucher or something along those lines.

But don’t let that discourage you, because the UK CAA is pretty "cool" (I think). I also had a problem on the Phoenix-London route with BA, and they ruled in my favor (and BA paid me the 600 €). But it took 15 months in total!

You should know that British Airways' Boeing 747-400s are very, very old. And so, breakdowns are becoming more and more frequent. Normally, there’s an engine monitoring system installed (which many airlines use to "predict" and anticipate engine failures before they happen). Sure, it’s not always possible, but often an engine failure gives warning signs well in advance. With automatic transmission of vibration data, N1 and N2 temperatures, or oil level thirst in the engines—all sent systematically to the main headquarters during flight—this is called preventive maintenance....

I think British Airways isn’t the model student in this category; they’re more about corrective maintenance.... It’s unbelievable that in Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, or Glendale, everything was fully booked that evening (hotel room-wise). I mean, aren’t there more than 10,000 hotel rooms in the greater Phoenix area?

Thanks, Chris
MI Michelzen Globetrotter ·
An engine on fire is clearly not an extraordinary circumstance that could absolve the airline of responsibility.

Yeah, sure, that’s totally normal... unless it ends up as confetti on the ground!
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen! Michel France (85)
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hi everyone, Just keeping you updated on my progress. I didn’t even file a compensation claim—I just sent an email explaining my story to British Airways. They took barely three days to reply, asking for my bank details so they can pay me the 600 € I’m entitled to without any argument... I have to admit, I was expecting to fight for a year, and I’m absolutely stunned by how efficient their customer service was. I’m also entitled to at least five apologies in their letter. Honestly, I’m blown away.
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BA Bairrovoyage Veteran ·
Well done, British Airways!
BL Blagajcity Globetrotter ·
hi

great to hear that!

Santa’s British... 😎

actually, the issue was with their staff in Phoenix?...

good to know anyway, since I usually fly with them and I’ve been happy so far
SB Sbrcoach Veteran ·
Wow, what luck!!!

Hats off to BA for their responsiveness!

Me with American Airlines, it took me 7 months to get those 600 € after tons of back-and-forth (see my post), and I never even got an apology (not even replies to my emails).

So happy for you!!! 😉

A tip!!! Buy a lottery ticket tomorrow
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
The exception that proves the rule.... 😉

Will you fly BA again?
AE Aerogusz Veteran ·
Hi,

I just have a question about the agents in Phoenix: are they BA employees or are they employees of a subcontracting company that works for BA and other airlines?
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BL Blagajcity Globetrotter ·
Hello,

I just have a question about the agents in Phoenix: are they BA employees or are they employees of a subcontracting company who work for BA and other airlines?

hi

yeah, that kinda matches what I was thinking

I don’t know if others will agree, but I’ve noticed that in the US, airline staff, car rental employees, and other service workers seem a lot less "flexible" and open than what you find elsewhere.

In this case, even if they’re BA agents in Phoenix, they’re American.

And apparently, there were several people involved on-site; you can’t just say it was one grumpy employee... But anyway, they still have to follow the company’s current policy.
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hi, It’s pretty hard to say. None of the employees working behind the counters had badges or anything to show they actually worked for British Airways. The girl who was posing as the manager even had some kind of badge that said "security." So there’s a good chance they were employees of a company that was some kind of subcontractor for British Airways...
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hi, Yes, I can confirm—I dealt with several agents. All women. And all extremely unpleasant and robotic. Basically, every time I asked a question, they gave me the same answer. No empathy, no compassion, just the same words over and over.

It was nothing like the email I just received, which was really nice and full of apologies...

I was actually really surprised by the difference between the counter staff and the in-flight crew. Everyone from British Airways on the plane was genuinely great...
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Yeah, it's very likely I'll fly British Airways again. But I'll definitely take a closer look at the plane for the flight... for me, it's over with the old models...
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hehe! I’d already played the lottery the night before when I got the reply. But I didn’t win. :)
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PA Pathoch Veteran ·
Hello Olive

After reading your post and the story you told, I also thought you’ve really been having some bad luck lately 😕 Then I figured your compensation situation was going to be a nightmare!!!!! But nooooooo! I’m totally blown away here 🤪 Kudos to the airline and congrats to you! You’ve got enough to buy a new ticket for 2018 😎 Take advantage—there are some great deals around right now!!! I managed to snag a multi-destination ticket for 345.45 € 😛

@Pat
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hi Patricia, Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. That I was really unlucky and that I wasn’t out of the woods yet :) After thinking it over, I now realize I was actually incredibly lucky. First, given the context—a burning engine and a plane full of fuel—I should normally not be here anymore. In the end, that’s what I call being super lucky, on the contrary. Plus, British Airways compensated me to the tune of 680 € in barely a week. ... I have to admit that I’m taking things much more positively today. And honestly, they apologized profusely at least 10 times in their letter. That was what shocked me the most, and I have to say I’m more than satisfied with their response and how quickly they acted! Hats off to British Airways!...
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PA Pathoch Veteran ·
Given the context—a burning engine and a plane full of fuel—I figured I shouldn’t still be here.

😊 So glad you’re still with us!!!!!

British Airways, which eventually compensated me to the tune of 680 €

Awesome!! :) But how much did your ticket originally cost you???

They apologized profusely at least 10 times in their letter.

Doesn’t surprise me! Every email from foreign airlines uses terms and words that repeat the same thing 100 times!!

Great for you! SO WHEN’S THE NEXT TRIP???
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Hello, I’m bringing back this 2017 discussion because, would you believe it, since then I’ve had my third flight refunded by British Airways... So, in the end, it’s not such a jinx after all—this is the third time I’ve traveled almost for free! 😏

This time, it was for a canceled flight between London and Los Angeles. A 3-hour, 15-minute delay taking the next flight, and British Airways compensated me 600 € without any argument...

Anyway, all this to say: don’t hesitate to ask for compensation under European law if your flight is delayed by more than 3 hours.

And for fun, here’s the summary of my 2017 flight where an engine caught fire. The reconstruction is missing the firefighters and the TV crews on arrival, though! 😄:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-T5NEkHJNs
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