Q'en pensez-vous, vous les envahisseurs?
Les envahisseurs...
by Williama
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Très souvent, une large part des discussions de cette section du forum porte sur qui est "voyageur", "touriste" ou "routard" ... savoir qui est meilleur que l'autre🤪, le moins nocif, le plus respectueux etc... Mais avez-vous pensez en cette veille de grande saison estivale aux populations des sites et grandes régions touristiques du monde qui doivent subir chaque année cette invasion de vacanciers de tout poil qui déferlent sur leurs villes et villages 😕... faisant doubler la population sur 2 mois ... rendant impossible l'usage d'un véhicule... transformant l'environnement en camping généralisé avec ses hordes débraillés et conquérantes. Un ami originaire du Lavandou m'a dit récemment qu'il préférait mettre sa famille au vert pendant cette période pour échapper à cette catastrophe annuelle...🏴☠️
Q'en pensez-vous, vous les envahisseurs?
Q'en pensez-vous, vous les envahisseurs?
Salut, selon Wikipedia "la ville de Nimes peuplée d'environ 150 000 habitants", verrait "en période estivale sa population s'accroître et dépasser le million" ( http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AEmes)
Serait-ce le tropisme des retraités pour les régions ensoleillées qui explique un tel phénomène ? ou wikipedia qui gamberge ?
Salut toi,
Non, je crois que ce sont véritablement les mêmes envahisseurs estivaux de tout poil qui sévissent à Nîmes comme ailleurs, les retraités ont tendance à se sédentariser.
La dernière fois que j'ai traversé cette ville c'était effectivement en été et j'ai bien du mettre plus d'1 heure ...😮
Ce qui me fait sourire, c'est qu'en règle générale on sous entend bien plus souvent que le routard, ou voyageur individuel à petit budget ( dénomination importante ..... ) est plus respectueux que le voyageur plus fortuné, des lieux, sites visités, ainsi que des rencontres avec les locaux .... comme si avoir de l'argent, ou se déplacer plus luxueusement induit inévitablement le fait d'être irrespectueux et dévastateur pour les endroits où l'on passe ...... hors on est tout de même bien obligé de se rendre compte que les endroits les plus " touchés " par les effets dévastateurs du tourisme de masse outrancier sont ceux côtoyés justement par les voyageurs à petit budget ...... cela de par le fait d'une accessibilité plus facile, et que des lieux " fermés " ou ne se rendent que des voyageurs dits " fortunés " sont beaucoup plus protégés de par ce fait ... voir les îles Mergui en Birmanie, et autres îles ....
J'ai la chance de pouvoir voyager en faisant le " grand écart " et de fréquenter ainsi les deux mondes ..... et malheureusement force est de constater que la tolérance dans le voyage, et le souci du partage, est d'un seul côté bien souvent .....
Vous allez me dire tu ne dis pas de quel côté ..... ? 😛 Oui, c'est vrai, mais je vous laisse deviner ...... 😉
J'ai la chance de pouvoir voyager en faisant le " grand écart " et de fréquenter ainsi les deux mondes ..... et malheureusement force est de constater que la tolérance dans le voyage, et le souci du partage, est d'un seul côté bien souvent .....
Vous allez me dire tu ne dis pas de quel côté ..... ? 😛 Oui, c'est vrai, mais je vous laisse deviner ...... 😉
C'est bien connu, les "envahisseurs", c'est toujours l'autre ;) ou les autres
La réalité est, de mon point de vue, qu'à partir du moment où le voyage devient un "produit de consommation" parmi d'autres (généralement dans les intervalles du travail et en suivant le rythme des "vacanciers pleine saison") à ce moment là le voyageur devient souvent un envahisseur. (Soit dit en passant, la "surpopulation mondiale actuelle et à venir, ne va rien arranger...)
Sans aller très loin de la france par exemple, ce phénomène existe aussi à cette échelle nationale : il y a la grande majorité des gens/touristes qui se ruent sur les côtes l'été, pour se cramer sur les plages comme des otaries 😄, ceux-là même qui souvent se retrouvent l'hiver à skier et parfois envahir aussi donc, dérangeant les belles montagnes, et les marmottes qui hibernent....!
Une moins grande part des vacanciers/voyageurs, se déplacent plus modestement ou mieux non par loisir mais par necessité, et prefèrent ou ont l'opportunité d'aller sur les cotes hors saison, idem pour la montagne, logiquement ils sont donc moins nombreux sur place, moins nuisibles pour l'environnement et les locaux, et quel bonheur et tranquilité que d'avoir les plages désertes pour soi, et l'été de randonner dans les montagnes sans (trop) nuire à la faune et la flore
Ce schema "local" est surement transposable au monde entier d'un certain point de vue
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
Après tout dépend aussi si dans tes voyages tu aimes visiter les villes, et autres capitales "touristiques" (pas mon cas !) contacter beaucoup de gens ou non, c'est clair qu'il y a plus de chance logiquement que ces lieux soient souvent surpeuplés, mais pour ceux qui prefèrent les coins de nature, en choisissant bien ses lieux et temps, il reste encore des lieux "libres" et tranquilles, pour combien de temps, je n'en sais rien.
J'ai des souvenirs de coins en norvège, de la mer du nord et de quelques îles, où il n'y a quasiment personne, à part les mouettes et autres phoques !
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
Bonjour petit scarabée🙂
ça faisait logtemps!
oui mais la plupart des gens ont leurs congés en juillet Août et tout le monde ne peut pas s'isoler sur la banquise pour méditer😎 Il privilégient les destinations ensoleillées et pour les locaux c'est intenable. La plupart d'entre eux ne trouvent aucun intérêt économique à cette invasion annuelle et leur façon de vivre est bouleversée. Pire que tout, dès qu'ils osent se plaindre ils sont traités de beaufs et s'ils prennent par exemples des mesures pour réglementer la tenue vestimentaire des plaisanciers c'est une levée de bouclier pour dénoncer l'esprit étriqué de ces gens là😕
oui mais la plupart des gens ont leurs congés en juillet Août et tout le monde ne peut pas s'isoler sur la banquise pour méditer😎 Il privilégient les destinations ensoleillées et pour les locaux c'est intenable. La plupart d'entre eux ne trouvent aucun intérêt économique à cette invasion annuelle et leur façon de vivre est bouleversée. Pire que tout, dès qu'ils osent se plaindre ils sont traités de beaufs et s'ils prennent par exemples des mesures pour réglementer la tenue vestimentaire des plaisanciers c'est une levée de bouclier pour dénoncer l'esprit étriqué de ces gens là😕
En attendant, cette "catastrophe" annuelle remplie les poches des : hotels, restaurants, magasins, producteurs locaux et autres pourvoyeurs de biens et services divers et variés.....et effectivement il faut bien mettre la famille "au vert" pour pouvoir louer à prix d'or le 4 pièces ou la villa familiale !!!!!🤪
En attendant, cette "catastrophe" annuelle remplie les poches des : hotels, restaurants, magasins, producteurs locaux et autres pourvoyeurs de biens et services divers et variés.....et effectivement il faut bien mettre la famille "au vert" pour pouvoir louer à prix d'or le 4 pièces ou la villa familiale !!!!
Bonjour,
Une fois de plus tu t'attaques aux "capitalistes"😏 pour occulter le reste ... mais que fais-tu des autres? ceux qui n'ont ni hôtel, ni restau, ni boutique à babioles et qui n'ont aucun intérêt à voir débarquer ces envahisseurs de l'été. Ce sont ces gens de conditions modestes ou normales qui subissent les embouteillages matin et soir pour se rendre au boulot ... qui doivent composer avec cette foule mal fagotée et bruyante sous leurs fenêtres etc...
Par contre de l'autre côté celui des envahisseurs, comme le suggère très justement l'ami Alan plus haut ... plus les voyageurs sont de condition modeste plus les sites sont maltraités. Il suffit de regarder l'état d'une plage populaire en fin de journée et d'observer les détritus ...
Bonjour,
Une fois de plus tu t'attaques aux "capitalistes"😏 pour occulter le reste ... mais que fais-tu des autres? ceux qui n'ont ni hôtel, ni restau, ni boutique à babioles et qui n'ont aucun intérêt à voir débarquer ces envahisseurs de l'été. Ce sont ces gens de conditions modestes ou normales qui subissent les embouteillages matin et soir pour se rendre au boulot ... qui doivent composer avec cette foule mal fagotée et bruyante sous leurs fenêtres etc...
Par contre de l'autre côté celui des envahisseurs, comme le suggère très justement l'ami Alan plus haut ... plus les voyageurs sont de condition modeste plus les sites sont maltraités. Il suffit de regarder l'état d'une plage populaire en fin de journée et d'observer les détritus ...
Bonjour.
Je pense beaucoup de bien des touristes, qui font vivre une grande partie de la population et qui pemettent a celle çi, de TRAVAILLEr, au service des premiers. Cessons de regarder le monde, par le petit bout de la lorgnette. La mondialisation permet le tourisme, c'est une grande chance pour notre pays, qui hélas, perd tous les jours, un peu de son industrie. L'industrie touristique, elle, ne peut être délocalisée. Une belle chance à saisir, de mon point de vue.
Cordialement
henri - voyageur 74
Hello je m'incruste....🙂
Ouais à mon avis le coupable c'est celui qui a inventé les congés payées.... Et ceux qui sont envahis, ne vont ils pas envahir d'autres contrées ?
Ouais à mon avis le coupable c'est celui qui a inventé les congés payées.... Et ceux qui sont envahis, ne vont ils pas envahir d'autres contrées ?
Bien voilà quelqu'un qui comprend
que c'est ainsi ....Et je vous dis
Bienvenue dans mon vaste pays !!!😏
cher cousin Canadien.
J'ai eu la cahnce de voyager sur les cinq continents..........désormais entre les voyages, je fais profiter mes amis touristes, du Mont Blanc, mon pays.
COrdialement
henri - voyageur 74
" Par contre de l'autre côté celui des envahisseurs, comme le suggère très justement l'ami Alan plus haut ... plus les voyageurs sont de condition modeste plus les sites sont maltraités. Il suffit de regarder l'état d'une plage populaire en fin de journée et d'observer les détritus ... "
... t'as raison : les pauvres, c'est sale, ça pue mauvais, ça fait du bruit, ça fait des gosses, ça pisse et balance ses détritus partout, surtout les étrangers ... gagnons du temps : c'est bien ça ton message ?
... vieille rangaine de "bobo agitateur monomaniaque et rebelle" 😇 qui ne s'accepte pas ... 😎
... inutile de répondre ... 😐
... t'as raison : les pauvres, c'est sale, ça pue mauvais, ça fait du bruit, ça fait des gosses, ça pisse et balance ses détritus partout, surtout les étrangers ... gagnons du temps : c'est bien ça ton message ?
... vieille rangaine de "bobo agitateur monomaniaque et rebelle" 😇 qui ne s'accepte pas ... 😎
... inutile de répondre ... 😐
salut l'O.M.
ouff, j'ai cru que tu avais viré L.O.ou N.P.A. en prenant la défense de ceux qui ne profitent pas des oboles des vacanciers..... Mais, non le pauvre reste toujours sale et mal élevé, salaud de pauvre😛🙂
ouff, j'ai cru que tu avais viré L.O.ou N.P.A. en prenant la défense de ceux qui ne profitent pas des oboles des vacanciers..... Mais, non le pauvre reste toujours sale et mal élevé, salaud de pauvre😛🙂
Salut toi,
j'ai eu un coup de chaud social😊 ... mais la nature reprend le dessus😏 ... Tu as entièrement raison "salaud de pauvre", ils sont un fléau autrement plus nocif dans l'agression des populations locales que ceux qui fréquentent les sites plus luxueux. Je t'en donne 2 exemples :
- Le marchandage : c'est une pratique communément admise par les voyageurs les plus modestes non pas pour acheter des babioles comme le font les touristes lambda mais pour négocier les postes les plus importants de leur séjour : le gite, le couvert et le transport. Le marchandage est plus qu'un jeu qui pimente les vacances c'est une façon de voyager absolument à petits prix ...C'est presque un dû : "la faiblesse de mon budget doit être supportée par les prestataires locaux" . Les voyageurs marchandent sans discernement – avec une ardeur qui n’a d’égal que l’amusement ou la fierté qu’ils en tirent , auprès de petits artisans dont tout le fonds de commerce tient souvent en peu de chose et sur quelques semaines d'activité.
- L'inflation : il y a corrélation entre flux touristique et inflation. C’est une conséquence qui s’avére dramatique pour les populations locales. Le volume des touristes provoque généralement un accroissement des prix qui engendre des frustrations importantes chez les populations locales qui ne peuvent plus consommer leurs propres produits mais voient des étrangers venir les consommer sous leurs yeux... A terme ils doivent quitter ces zones! Ceci est vérifiable à Fréjus comme en Thaïlande ...
j'ai eu un coup de chaud social😊 ... mais la nature reprend le dessus😏 ... Tu as entièrement raison "salaud de pauvre", ils sont un fléau autrement plus nocif dans l'agression des populations locales que ceux qui fréquentent les sites plus luxueux. Je t'en donne 2 exemples :
- Le marchandage : c'est une pratique communément admise par les voyageurs les plus modestes non pas pour acheter des babioles comme le font les touristes lambda mais pour négocier les postes les plus importants de leur séjour : le gite, le couvert et le transport. Le marchandage est plus qu'un jeu qui pimente les vacances c'est une façon de voyager absolument à petits prix ...C'est presque un dû : "la faiblesse de mon budget doit être supportée par les prestataires locaux" . Les voyageurs marchandent sans discernement – avec une ardeur qui n’a d’égal que l’amusement ou la fierté qu’ils en tirent , auprès de petits artisans dont tout le fonds de commerce tient souvent en peu de chose et sur quelques semaines d'activité.
- L'inflation : il y a corrélation entre flux touristique et inflation. C’est une conséquence qui s’avére dramatique pour les populations locales. Le volume des touristes provoque généralement un accroissement des prix qui engendre des frustrations importantes chez les populations locales qui ne peuvent plus consommer leurs propres produits mais voient des étrangers venir les consommer sous leurs yeux... A terme ils doivent quitter ces zones! Ceci est vérifiable à Fréjus comme en Thaïlande ...
Le volume des touristes provoque généralement un accroissement des prix qui engendre des frustrations importantes chez les populations locales qui ne peuvent plus consommer leurs propres produits mais voient des étrangers venir les consommer sous leurs yeux... A terme ils doivent quitter ces zones! Ceci est vérifiable à Fréjus comme en Thaïlande ...
Tu as aussi le cas du sud-ouest de la France où de nombreux anglais, néerlandais... sont venus acheter des maisons pour vivre dans des campagnes en voie de désertification comme le tarn et garonne, le gers, l'aveyron, l'ariège.... Ils ont fait certes monter le prix de l'immobilier, au grand bonheur de nombreux propriétaires qui ont su profiter de l'aubaine ( les anglais étant habitués à des prix plus élevés que ce qui se pratique dans nos campagnes) et au détriment, certes, de personnes voulant accéder à la propriété. Dans tous les cas, ces "envahisseurs" ont redonné vie à certaines campagnes qui en avaient bien besoin et permis à certains secteurs de l'économie de bien se développer ( batiment, alimentations...). Les choses ont évolué depuis la chute la livre sterling, beaucoup de retraités anglais ayant préféré vendre leur bien pour retourner en Grande Bretagne ( leurs retraites payées en livre ne permettant pas de supporter l'augmentation relative du coup de la vie en euro). Donc, je crois qu'il faut nuancer les choses. Mais il est vrai que si les différences de pouvoir d'achat entre "envahisseurs" et autochtones sont importantes ou le nombre d'"envahisseurs" rend l'autochtone minoritaire, les choses peuvent être mal vécues par ce dernier.
Tu as aussi le cas du sud-ouest de la France où de nombreux anglais, néerlandais... sont venus acheter des maisons pour vivre dans des campagnes en voie de désertification comme le tarn et garonne, le gers, l'aveyron, l'ariège.... Ils ont fait certes monter le prix de l'immobilier, au grand bonheur de nombreux propriétaires qui ont su profiter de l'aubaine ( les anglais étant habitués à des prix plus élevés que ce qui se pratique dans nos campagnes) et au détriment, certes, de personnes voulant accéder à la propriété. Dans tous les cas, ces "envahisseurs" ont redonné vie à certaines campagnes qui en avaient bien besoin et permis à certains secteurs de l'économie de bien se développer ( batiment, alimentations...). Les choses ont évolué depuis la chute la livre sterling, beaucoup de retraités anglais ayant préféré vendre leur bien pour retourner en Grande Bretagne ( leurs retraites payées en livre ne permettant pas de supporter l'augmentation relative du coup de la vie en euro). Donc, je crois qu'il faut nuancer les choses. Mais il est vrai que si les différences de pouvoir d'achat entre "envahisseurs" et autochtones sont importantes ou le nombre d'"envahisseurs" rend l'autochtone minoritaire, les choses peuvent être mal vécues par ce dernier.
bonsoir,
et si ils étaient simplement mieux nettoyés?
Bonsoir,
Je voyage également en toutes catégories suivant ma bonne fortune du jour dans l'endroit où je me pose et suivant mes envies. Je constate avant tout qu'il s'agit d'une affaire d'éducation. Dans les plages privées des hôtels, je vois rarement des gens écraser leurs mégots dans le sable, apporter de la nourriture ou secouer leur serviette pleine de sable au vent ...
et si ils étaient simplement mieux nettoyés?
Bonsoir,
Je voyage également en toutes catégories suivant ma bonne fortune du jour dans l'endroit où je me pose et suivant mes envies. Je constate avant tout qu'il s'agit d'une affaire d'éducation. Dans les plages privées des hôtels, je vois rarement des gens écraser leurs mégots dans le sable, apporter de la nourriture ou secouer leur serviette pleine de sable au vent ...
Tu as aussi le cas du sud-ouest de la France où de nombreux anglais, néerlandais... sont venus acheter des maisons pour vivre dans des campagnes en voie de désertification comme le tarn et garonne, le gers, l'aveyron, l'ariège.... Ils ont fait certes monter le prix de l'immobilier, au grand bonheur de nombreux propriétaires qui ont su profiter de l'aubaine ( les anglais étant habitués à des prix plus élevés que ce qui se pratique dans nos campagnes) et au détriment, certes, de personnes voulant accéder à la propriété.
Dans tous les cas, ces "envahisseurs" ont redonné vie à certaines campagnes qui en avaient bien besoin et permis à certains secteurs de l'économie de bien se développer ( batiment, alimentations...).
Les choses ont évolué depuis la chute la livre sterling, beaucoup de retraités anglais ayant préféré vendre leur bien pour retourner en Grande Bretagne ( leurs retraites payées en livre ne permettant pas de supporter l'augmentation relative du coup de la vie en euro).
Donc, je crois qu'il faut nuancer les choses. Mais il est vrai que si les différences de pouvoir d'achat entre "envahisseurs" et autochtones sont importantes ou le nombre d'"envahisseurs" rend l'autochtone minoritaire, les choses peuvent être mal vécues par ce dernier.
Merci pour cet exemple. En effet la flambée du prix de l'immobilier dans ces villages ou régions par l'installation des "envahisseurs" empêchent les autochtones d'accéder à leur tour à la propriété ... les rendant étrangers dans leur propre pays! d'où beaucoup de ressentiment ... Souvent même les commerces et la vie sociale sont dédiés à ces nouveaux arrivants créant des bulles communautaristes et encore plus du ressentiment chez les locaux... Certains villages comme tu le précises ont retrouvé aussi un nouveau souffle grâce aux "envahisseurs", mais c'est à double tranchant car l'esthétique et la villégiature ont pris le pas sur la vie économique et rurale d'antant, ruinant davantage tout projet d'installation pour les autochtones.
Le cauchemar ne fait que commencer ... à voir et revoir : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84nla_generique-les-envahisseurs-david-vi_shortfilms
Merci pour cet exemple. En effet la flambée du prix de l'immobilier dans ces villages ou régions par l'installation des "envahisseurs" empêchent les autochtones d'accéder à leur tour à la propriété ... les rendant étrangers dans leur propre pays! d'où beaucoup de ressentiment ... Souvent même les commerces et la vie sociale sont dédiés à ces nouveaux arrivants créant des bulles communautaristes et encore plus du ressentiment chez les locaux... Certains villages comme tu le précises ont retrouvé aussi un nouveau souffle grâce aux "envahisseurs", mais c'est à double tranchant car l'esthétique et la villégiature ont pris le pas sur la vie économique et rurale d'antant, ruinant davantage tout projet d'installation pour les autochtones.
Le cauchemar ne fait que commencer ... à voir et revoir : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84nla_generique-les-envahisseurs-david-vi_shortfilms
Certains villages comme tu le précises ont retrouvé aussi un nouveau souffle grâce aux "envahisseurs", mais c'est à double tranchant car l'esthétique et la villégiature ont pris le pas sur la vie économique et rurale d'antant, ruinant davantage tout projet d'installation pour les autochtones.
La vie économique et rurale d'antan, comme tu dis, est bel et bien morte dans les campagnes du sud-ouest de la France et les retraités anglais et hollandais n'y peuvent strictement rien. Les jeunes n'ont plus d'avenir professionnel durable dans beaucoup de campagnes où il ne reste que des octagénaires dans l'attente de l'au delà ( je carricature à peine la situation)
La vie économique et rurale d'antan, comme tu dis, est bel et bien morte dans les campagnes du sud-ouest de la France et les retraités anglais et hollandais n'y peuvent strictement rien. Les jeunes n'ont plus d'avenir professionnel durable dans beaucoup de campagnes où il ne reste que des octagénaires dans l'attente de l'au delà ( je carricature à peine la situation)
La vie économique et rurale d'antan, comme tu dis, est belle et bien morte dans les campagnes du sud-ouest de la France et les retraités anglais et hollandais n'y peuvent strictement rien. Les jeunes n'ont plus d'avenir professionnel durable dans beaucoup de campagnes où il ne reste que des octagénaires dans l'attente de l'au delà ( je carricature à peine la situation)
... pourtant c'est un réel problème ... le mot d'antan n'est pas approprié, c'est toujours un problème d'actualité . Le développement des grandes zones touristiques commence toujours par faire disparaître les cultures vivrières locales au dépend d'une spécialisation alimentaire entièrement tournée vers les besoins du tourisme. Même le tourisme dit équitable contribue à cette évolution ... D'autre part, le tourisme "sac à dos" qui se veut plus respectueux n'en est pas moins plus dangereux, car il s'aventure sur des" terrains vierges". Dans le Mékong, on voit fleurir de plus en plus des lodges et autres fermes à touristes/routards. Sur les marchés flottants, les populations locales ne servent que de décors pour photographes, aucun voyageur ne leur achète jamais quoi que ce soit! On voit de plus en plus se former 2 mondes parallèles ... dont 1 vampirise tranquillement l'autre pour le réduire progressivement à l'état de folklore ... un peu comme ces barques de pêcheurs colorées dans le petit port de Cassis ou les anciennes grues repeintes de la Ciotat qui ne servent plus à rien depuis longtemps ... dont on dit qu'elles sont les symboles d'un passé ringardisé et qui sont soigneusement alignées devant les hors bords pour la carte postale ...
... pourtant c'est un réel problème ... le mot d'antan n'est pas approprié, c'est toujours un problème d'actualité . Le développement des grandes zones touristiques commence toujours par faire disparaître les cultures vivrières locales au dépend d'une spécialisation alimentaire entièrement tournée vers les besoins du tourisme. Même le tourisme dit équitable contribue à cette évolution ... D'autre part, le tourisme "sac à dos" qui se veut plus respectueux n'en est pas moins plus dangereux, car il s'aventure sur des" terrains vierges". Dans le Mékong, on voit fleurir de plus en plus des lodges et autres fermes à touristes/routards. Sur les marchés flottants, les populations locales ne servent que de décors pour photographes, aucun voyageur ne leur achète jamais quoi que ce soit! On voit de plus en plus se former 2 mondes parallèles ... dont 1 vampirise tranquillement l'autre pour le réduire progressivement à l'état de folklore ... un peu comme ces barques de pêcheurs colorées dans le petit port de Cassis ou les anciennes grues repeintes de la Ciotat qui ne servent plus à rien depuis longtemps ... dont on dit qu'elles sont les symboles d'un passé ringardisé et qui sont soigneusement alignées devant les hors bords pour la carte postale ...
celà ressemble à de la nostalgie😉 ( même si ce que tu décris est certainement juste)
Je constate avant tout qu'il s'agit d'une affaire d'éducation
si tu le dis...mais je trouve ça plutôt réducteur...on peut être très riche et n'avoir aucune éducationÇa c'est très, très vrai !
ou secouer leur serviette pleine de sable au vent ...
ça c'est vrai que c'est chiant😠😉Ça non plus ce n'est pas l'apanage des "pauvres" !!!
sous les pavés la plage😉🙂
Comme tu y vas fort, j'y vais aussi...... tu assimiles "condition modeste" à manque d'éducation et saleté" j'y vais donc de deux contres-exemples
La chaine de l'himalaya est une porcherie sans nom, certes nous sommes loin du gers et même des yvelines, mais penses tu que ce sois des prolos qui s'accordent ce genre de petit périple estival?
J'habite un quartier bien populaire ( pas bobo t’énerve pas😛 ) assez crade dans l'ensemble, tout simplement parce que il y a plus de monde et d'activités que dans certains autres quartiers et que celui-ci ayant peu d'intêret touristique, il est moins bien entretenu que certains quartiers touristiques ou que certains quartiers ou leurs habitants ont plus de "pouvoir " pour aller gueuler a la mairie.....
bonne finale et oubli pas la manif du 1er mai🙂🙂
Comme tu y vas fort, j'y vais aussi...... tu assimiles "condition modeste" à manque d'éducation et saleté" j'y vais donc de deux contres-exemples
La chaine de l'himalaya est une porcherie sans nom, certes nous sommes loin du gers et même des yvelines, mais penses tu que ce sois des prolos qui s'accordent ce genre de petit périple estival?
J'habite un quartier bien populaire ( pas bobo t’énerve pas😛 ) assez crade dans l'ensemble, tout simplement parce que il y a plus de monde et d'activités que dans certains autres quartiers et que celui-ci ayant peu d'intêret touristique, il est moins bien entretenu que certains quartiers touristiques ou que certains quartiers ou leurs habitants ont plus de "pouvoir " pour aller gueuler a la mairie.....
bonne finale et oubli pas la manif du 1er mai🙂🙂
Je pense beaucoup de bien des touristes, qui font vivre une grande partie de la population et qui pemettent a celle çi, de TRAVAILLEr, au service des premiers. Cessons de regarder le monde, par le petit bout de la lorgnette. La mondialisation permet le tourisme, c'est une grande chance pour notre pays, qui hélas, perd tous les jours, un peu de son industrie. L'industrie touristique, elle, ne peut être délocalisée. Une belle chance à saisir, de mon point de vue
Bonjour Henri,
... Ah parce que tu crois que l'industrie touristique ne peut pas être délocalisée au prétexte qu'on ne peut déplacer nos montagnes, nos plages ou nos clochers? Ce mouvement a déjà commencé, observe la composition du capital des grands groupes hôteliers qui se partagent le marché ou encore celui des compagnies low cost que tu utilises sans doute ou encore le nom des chaînes de restauration, des moteurs de recherche le "made in" des babioles à touristes et encore et encore ... la composition du personnel dans les restaurants du grand chef aux clandestins qui font la plonge ...
Le tourisme c'est le réseau des envahisseurs...
Gloire et paix à David Vincent qui a tout Vu et tout compris avant tout le monde🙁😉
Bonjour Henri,
... Ah parce que tu crois que l'industrie touristique ne peut pas être délocalisée au prétexte qu'on ne peut déplacer nos montagnes, nos plages ou nos clochers? Ce mouvement a déjà commencé, observe la composition du capital des grands groupes hôteliers qui se partagent le marché ou encore celui des compagnies low cost que tu utilises sans doute ou encore le nom des chaînes de restauration, des moteurs de recherche le "made in" des babioles à touristes et encore et encore ... la composition du personnel dans les restaurants du grand chef aux clandestins qui font la plonge ...
Le tourisme c'est le réseau des envahisseurs...
Gloire et paix à David Vincent qui a tout Vu et tout compris avant tout le monde🙁😉
Certes il y a affaire d'éducation ..... mais je ne le prenais pas sous cet angle, de peur ( petite ) justement de m'attirer les foudres de plusieurs .... 😉 mais plutôt du fait que ces endroits " protégés " attirent moins de monde de par leur coût, à contrario d'un site dit " populaire ", et donc il y a " encombrement " moindre ce qui donne moins d'implication néfaste sur l'environnement .....
La chaine de l'himalaya est une porcherie sans nom, certes nous sommes loin du gers et même des yvelines, mais penses tu que ce sois des prolos qui s'accordent ce genre de petit périple estival
salut hervé,
Ce n'est pas un bon exemple[:) ] Les véritables responsables de ces dépotoirs sont les "pauvres" c'est à dire les sherpas qui encadrent les expéditions dans l'himalaya et ne font pas leur boulot jusqu'au bout ...
Pour ce qui est de l'association pauvreté et saleté je t'invite à visiter le centre ville de Marseille entièrement rénové depuis peu et jonché de détritus en fin de journée par le j'menfoutisme de la population pauvre, étrangère et peu concernée ... Il suffit de s'éloigner du centre pour retrouver à nouveau des reflexes civiques et villageois de base ...
c'est l'éducation qui fait comprendre qu'il n'est pas utile de faire des barbecues le soir sur les plages entre Nice et Cannes ... en laissant détritus et noirceur du charbon de bois à même le sable ...
ps ce soir on va renvoyer Loulou Nicolin et ses camions poubelle dans les quartiers pauvres ... allez l'OM😏
salut hervé,
Ce n'est pas un bon exemple[:) ] Les véritables responsables de ces dépotoirs sont les "pauvres" c'est à dire les sherpas qui encadrent les expéditions dans l'himalaya et ne font pas leur boulot jusqu'au bout ...
Pour ce qui est de l'association pauvreté et saleté je t'invite à visiter le centre ville de Marseille entièrement rénové depuis peu et jonché de détritus en fin de journée par le j'menfoutisme de la population pauvre, étrangère et peu concernée ... Il suffit de s'éloigner du centre pour retrouver à nouveau des reflexes civiques et villageois de base ...
c'est l'éducation qui fait comprendre qu'il n'est pas utile de faire des barbecues le soir sur les plages entre Nice et Cannes ... en laissant détritus et noirceur du charbon de bois à même le sable ...
ps ce soir on va renvoyer Loulou Nicolin et ses camions poubelle dans les quartiers pauvres ... allez l'OM😏
salaud de sherpas🙂🙂
seul les sherpas sont pourvus de mains et de sacs donc?
seul les sherpas sont pourvus de mains et de sacs donc?
Didier Super.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XWkMgCCdBI😏
seul les sherpas sont pourvus de mains et de sacs donc
... ils sont responsables de l'intendance ... mais leur conscience de pauvres ne va pas au-delà de la prise d'intérêts immédiats, le stockage et le ramassage des ordures ne sont pas leur souci premier ... on retrouve cette façon de procéder dans pas mal d'endroits...
... ils sont responsables de l'intendance ... mais leur conscience de pauvres ne va pas au-delà de la prise d'intérêts immédiats, le stockage et le ramassage des ordures ne sont pas leur souci premier ... on retrouve cette façon de procéder dans pas mal d'endroits...
Florilège non exhaustif, la discussion n'étant pas (encore) verrouillée...
... "Les envahisseurs..."
... "plus les voyageurs sont de condition modeste plus les sites sont maltraités"...
... "Les véritables responsables de ces dépotoirs sont les "pauvres" c'est à dire les sherpas qui encadrent les expéditions dans l'himalaya et ne font pas leur boulot jusqu'au bout"... (celle-là il fallait l'oser !)
... "ils sont un fléau autrement plus nocif dans l'agression des populations locales que ceux qui fréquentent les sites plus luxueux"...
... "Dans les plages privées des hôtels, je vois rarement des gens écraser leurs mégots dans le sable, apporter de la nourriture ou secouer leur serviette pleine de sable au vent" ...
... "le tourisme "sac à dos" qui se veut plus respectueux n'en est pas moins plus dangereux"...
... "jonché de détritus en fin de journée par le j'menfoutisme de la population pauvre, étrangère"...
... "leur conscience de pauvres ne va pas au-delà de la prise d'intérêts immédiats"...
Tu es comme ces acteurs sans talent qui exagèrent jusqu'à la caricature mimiques et grimaces... qui trépignent, qui surjouent l'indignation... qui se donnent un mal de chien pour ne récolter que sourires gênés et maigres applaudissements.
Ces propos sont indignes...
Indignes parce qu'une fois de plus ils opposent des catégories de gens en les dressant les uns contre les autres... et que le monde est loin d'être aussi manichéen. Et indignes de toi, capable ici du meilleur comme du pire... 😕 Qui donne à voir dans ces lignes une étroitesse d'esprit, un mépris des autres allié à un sentiment de supériorité qui altèrent sérieusement l'image de grand voyageur que tu revendiques ailleurs...
Tu t'engouffres, avec la délicatesse d'un pachyderme, dans le sillage de certains extrémistes... et importes ici au prétexte d'un lien avec les voyages... tu parles!... des thèmes qui nourrissent une actualité de plus en plus compliquée. Thèmes qui mériteraient un débat plus serein, plus intelligent... plus humain.
... "Les envahisseurs..."
... "plus les voyageurs sont de condition modeste plus les sites sont maltraités"...
... "Les véritables responsables de ces dépotoirs sont les "pauvres" c'est à dire les sherpas qui encadrent les expéditions dans l'himalaya et ne font pas leur boulot jusqu'au bout"... (celle-là il fallait l'oser !)
... "ils sont un fléau autrement plus nocif dans l'agression des populations locales que ceux qui fréquentent les sites plus luxueux"...
... "Dans les plages privées des hôtels, je vois rarement des gens écraser leurs mégots dans le sable, apporter de la nourriture ou secouer leur serviette pleine de sable au vent" ...
... "le tourisme "sac à dos" qui se veut plus respectueux n'en est pas moins plus dangereux"...
... "jonché de détritus en fin de journée par le j'menfoutisme de la population pauvre, étrangère"...
... "leur conscience de pauvres ne va pas au-delà de la prise d'intérêts immédiats"...
Tu es comme ces acteurs sans talent qui exagèrent jusqu'à la caricature mimiques et grimaces... qui trépignent, qui surjouent l'indignation... qui se donnent un mal de chien pour ne récolter que sourires gênés et maigres applaudissements.
Ces propos sont indignes...
Indignes parce qu'une fois de plus ils opposent des catégories de gens en les dressant les uns contre les autres... et que le monde est loin d'être aussi manichéen. Et indignes de toi, capable ici du meilleur comme du pire... 😕 Qui donne à voir dans ces lignes une étroitesse d'esprit, un mépris des autres allié à un sentiment de supériorité qui altèrent sérieusement l'image de grand voyageur que tu revendiques ailleurs...
Tu t'engouffres, avec la délicatesse d'un pachyderme, dans le sillage de certains extrémistes... et importes ici au prétexte d'un lien avec les voyages... tu parles!... des thèmes qui nourrissent une actualité de plus en plus compliquée. Thèmes qui mériteraient un débat plus serein, plus intelligent... plus humain.
... Normal que tu sois agacée, outrée, énervée🤪 ... ce topic est en lui-même une crise de nerf puisqu'il a pour ambition d'analyser, décrypter, distinguer, rechercher, observer toutes les formes d'agressions et de méfaits engendrés par les envahisseurs touristiques toutes catégories confondues sur des populations innocentes ... Pour une fois, il faut se placer de l'autre côté de la barrière. Cet exercice doublé d'une faculté de remise en question n'est pas donné à tout le monde ...
Par exemple, tu trouves mes propos sur les touristes "pauvres" indignes mais lorsqu'il s'agit d'affubler ces mêmes pauvres de "beauf" de camping, de Dupont Lajoie ou de réservoirs à extrémismes, subitement ces mêmes pauvres font l'unanimité contre eux!🤪 ... bizarre non?
Pour ceux qui subissent les méfaits du tourisme en dehors de toutes contingences sociales, les envahisseurs touristiques sont des êtres étranges venus d'une autre planète ... Pour moi tout a commencé par une nuit sombre au volant de ma voiture alors que je recherchais un raccourci que je n'ai jamais trouvé😠 ... je les ai vu avant tout le monde atterrir avec leurs engins😮 ... je sais que les envahisseurs sont là et que je dois convaincre un monde incrédule que le cauchemar a vraiment commencé ...😕
ps oui je suis un extrémiste en tout! ... mais je te sauverai comme les autres!😇 .. tu me crois pas?🤪 regarde : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0-qBoPjlM
Par exemple, tu trouves mes propos sur les touristes "pauvres" indignes mais lorsqu'il s'agit d'affubler ces mêmes pauvres de "beauf" de camping, de Dupont Lajoie ou de réservoirs à extrémismes, subitement ces mêmes pauvres font l'unanimité contre eux!🤪 ... bizarre non?
Pour ceux qui subissent les méfaits du tourisme en dehors de toutes contingences sociales, les envahisseurs touristiques sont des êtres étranges venus d'une autre planète ... Pour moi tout a commencé par une nuit sombre au volant de ma voiture alors que je recherchais un raccourci que je n'ai jamais trouvé😠 ... je les ai vu avant tout le monde atterrir avec leurs engins😮 ... je sais que les envahisseurs sont là et que je dois convaincre un monde incrédule que le cauchemar a vraiment commencé ...😕
ps oui je suis un extrémiste en tout! ... mais je te sauverai comme les autres!😇 .. tu me crois pas?🤪 regarde : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0-qBoPjlM
C'est sûr : pour écrire de telles c... ries, il faut avoir le petit doigt en l'air !
déjà le titre....c'est un risque, tu dois assumer toutes les réponses....
les pauvres sherpas remarque, on les renvoie faire le ménage d'aprés ce que je sais...
il ne faudrait ni pauvres ni vieux de plus de 60ans ni riches cons qui prennent des vacances , comme ça fini les envahisseurs...quel bonheur pour les quadras intellos bobos connozos ......................!!et les" populations innocentes" ouafff....je sais je suis excessive !!!!!!!mais j'adore voyager et je n'emmerde personne il me semble...
.je sais je suis excessive !!!!!!!mais j'adore voyager et je n'emmerde personne il me semble...
effectivement tu n'emmerdes personne en voyageant🙂 mais tu fais pire🤪 ... tu amènes progressivement les populations que tu visites à s'adapter à ton mode de vie au prétexte que toi tu veux comprendre comment elles vivent ... si tu voyages vraiment tu dois être capable de recenser toutes ces modifications ...
effectivement tu n'emmerdes personne en voyageant🙂 mais tu fais pire🤪 ... tu amènes progressivement les populations que tu visites à s'adapter à ton mode de vie au prétexte que toi tu veux comprendre comment elles vivent ... si tu voyages vraiment tu dois être capable de recenser toutes ces modifications ...
bon taiwo est dans quelle catégorie?😉😉😉
puisqu'il a pour ambition d'analyser, décrypter, distinguer, rechercher, observer toutes les formes d'agressions et de méfaits engendrés par les envahisseurs touristiques
c'est quand même à une certaines catégories de "pollueur" que tu t'en prend,
T'es pleine sociologie de comptoir en voyant les choses d'une manière aussi binaire mais bon je sais que tu adoooores......
suis etonné que "tatra" est pas encore débarqué🙂
puisqu'il a pour ambition d'analyser, décrypter, distinguer, rechercher, observer toutes les formes d'agressions et de méfaits engendrés par les envahisseurs touristiques
c'est quand même à une certaines catégories de "pollueur" que tu t'en prend,
T'es pleine sociologie de comptoir en voyant les choses d'une manière aussi binaire mais bon je sais que tu adoooores......
suis etonné que "tatra" est pas encore débarqué🙂
I'am dreaming...!! absolument pas je n'ai jamais eu l'impression qu'on d'adaptait à mon mode de vie pas du tout et nulle part.... tu m'as l'air bien compliqué??? mon "mode de vie" et "mes prétextes"...ne regardent que moi et je voyage parce que j'ai envie de connaître le monde et de rencontrer les gens qui vivent sur notre planète, et toi tu voyages aussi ? pourquoi? et tu as des vacances parfois ? et tu vas en montagne dans la nature et te baigner dans la mer et te promener à la campagne ? c'est bien de vivre ainsi non? et d'être vigilant évidemment...discrét? généreux..?
tu parles de "modifications"? certaines sont bien nécessaires améliorent la vie...enfin je trouve....parfois c'est mauvais , je sais, et les conséquences sont terribles....
bon Taiwo est dans quelle catégorie?
... des Winners comme W....😉
c'est quand même à une certaine catégorie de "pollueur" que tu t'en prend,
T'es pleine sociologie de comptoir en voyant les choses d'une manière aussi binaire mais bon je sais que tu adoooores....
Tous coupables ... tous responsables vis à vis des populations visitées !Le tourisme 'sac à dos" est aussi formaté que les autres formes de tourisme avec les mêmes tares mais avec plus de prétentions humanistes style "rencontre", "partage"🤪 etc ...
suis etonné que "tatra" est pas encore débarqué
... tu sais il est très vieux maintenant, après la potée du samedi soir vers 20h ils le mettent au lit ...😇😏
... des Winners comme W....😉
c'est quand même à une certaine catégorie de "pollueur" que tu t'en prend,
T'es pleine sociologie de comptoir en voyant les choses d'une manière aussi binaire mais bon je sais que tu adoooores....
Tous coupables ... tous responsables vis à vis des populations visitées !Le tourisme 'sac à dos" est aussi formaté que les autres formes de tourisme avec les mêmes tares mais avec plus de prétentions humanistes style "rencontre", "partage"🤪 etc ...
suis etonné que "tatra" est pas encore débarqué
... tu sais il est très vieux maintenant, après la potée du samedi soir vers 20h ils le mettent au lit ...😇😏
les ibiziens autochtones sont tous devenus hippies ???j'ai pas vu ça...
la Baie d'halong je "suis pas été" .....!!mais à Loitokitok ils sont contents quand ils peuvent prendre une douche et manger quelques légumes...et utiliser l'énergie solaire
j'arrête....t'as raison nous sommes des catastrophes................pour l'humanité!
les ibiziens autochtones sont tous devenus hippies ???j'ai pas vu ça...
... et ceux de Mykonos des homos?😛
la Baie d'halong je "suis pas été" .....!!mais à Loitokitok ils sont contents quand ils peuvent prendre une douche et manger quelques légumes
Ah là nous sommes d'accord si les pauvres peuvent enfin prendre une douche ... 😏
... et ceux de Mykonos des homos?😛
la Baie d'halong je "suis pas été" .....!!mais à Loitokitok ils sont contents quand ils peuvent prendre une douche et manger quelques légumes
Ah là nous sommes d'accord si les pauvres peuvent enfin prendre une douche ... 😏
absolument pas je n'ai jamais eu l'impression qu'on d'adaptait à mon mode de vie pas du tout et nulle part.
En Afrique, l'eco-tourisme est un facteur de destruction des cultures vivrières, même l'artisanat local est détourné pour répondre aux besoin des bobos / babas pétris de bonté voyageuse ...
En Afrique, l'eco-tourisme est un facteur de destruction des cultures vivrières, même l'artisanat local est détourné pour répondre aux besoin des bobos / babas pétris de bonté voyageuse ...
effectivement tu n'emmerdes personne en voyageant🙂 mais tu fais pire🤪 ... tu amènes progressivement les populations que tu visites à s'adapter à ton mode de vie au prétexte que toi tu veux comprendre comment elles vivent ... si
C'est sur que si tous les ouzbeks devaient s'habiller comme toi ( cf ta photo), çà perdrait beaucoup de charme😏
C'est sur que si tous les ouzbeks devaient s'habiller comme toi ( cf ta photo), çà perdrait beaucoup de charme😏
Ben mince alors quand on aura inventé la téléportation, cela va être l'orgie alors......😏
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Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
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"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
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hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)