For Patrick-Yangguizi
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Translated into English.

EV Eversmile Veteran ·
I’m stunned and deeply moved by this sad news. I never met him, we never exchanged private messages, nor even directly replied to each other’s posts, I think... but I always appreciated his responses. The last flights of his pen that I had the pleasure of reading were in his playful exchanges with Glatch on a thread that’s now disappeared: *Étranges voyageuses*, where he had a small role if I’m not mistaken!

I join all of you who’ve expressed your heartfelt sadness and condolences, wishing Patrick Yanguizzi’s family, partner, and close friends a lot of strength to overcome their grief.

Marine
"Nous, on a le temps Vous, vous avez l'heure" dixit un chamelier dans le désert...
CH Christiang Globetrotter ·
"Why would I be out of your thoughts just because I’m out of your sight? I’m not far, just on the other side of the path."

Fabricia, I didn’t know this text... but what a strange coincidence with my photo... as if Patrick were still inspiring this forum from afar! I, who hate sad tributes to the departed, find this one full of hope, and I’ll try to remember only that...
Site photo : https://www.flickr.com/photos/27857697@N05/
HI Hialle Veteran ·
This text is very powerful. I’m sharing it here in full: Goodbye : Text by Charles Péguy Death is nothing. I have only slipped into the next room. I am I, you are you. What we were to each other, we still are. Call me by the name you always used. Speak to me as you always did. Don’t use a different tone or put on a solemn or sad air. Keep laughing at what made us laugh together. Pray, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be spoken as it always was, without any emphasis or trace of shadow. Life means what it has always meant. It is what it has always been. The thread isn’t broken. Why would I be out of your thoughts just because I’m out of your sight? I’m waiting for you. I’m not far away, just on the other side of the path. You see, all is well. </P
Pascale.
LI Lilie82 Globetrotter ·
reply in PM.😉 Lilie
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FO Fortini Globetrotter ·
anecdote about his availability;

I’d given his contact info in Shanghai to my sister who was passing through, and he made himself available, acting as an attentive, thoughtful, and charming guide!

I only knew him from the web and PMs, but he handled my request like a true gentleman!

He was a TRAVELER

That’s why I cultivate "travel" and not tourism—to meet people like him!

so long amigo 😕
trouver son chemin personnel a travers le chemin initiatique du voyage
CH Chollima ·
I’d never posted a message in a VF thread before, and I thought I’d start in a different way—not with sadness in my heart, at least. We’d talked so much, over a beer in Strasbourg, Paris, or Shanghai, by email or on the phone. We’d even spent a week together last year in northern China along the Heilongjiang, going—needless to say—all the way to the banks of the Tumen.

Patrick, you’re missed, but you’ll always be with us. All the messages already posted here prove it. Words are imperfect interpreters of feelings, unfortunately, but for all of us, I believe you live on in our hearts and minds.

Ciao compañero
BL Blondine888 ·
Patrick passed away doing what he loved most—trying to discover the most beautiful parts of the planet. I had enormous respect for him. My thoughts are with his family and friends.

I’m not entirely sure, but I think you can find his website at the address below. It really feels like him: http://debrisson.free.fr/
FL Flamandbleu Veteran ·
Patrick/Yangguizi, who often had me "cracking up" while still being so inspiring about travel and the way to experience and share it, will surely be missed on VF. But even more so by those who had the pleasure of knowing him, not to mention his close family, to whom I wish the strength to endure this cruel ordeal!

I think he would have agreed with this maxim: "After death, not being forgotten is longevity" — LAO TSEU
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage" TOLSTOI

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YA Yatra Veteran ·
I just got back from South America and I see this...😕 I’m at a loss for words to comment on this sad news.

Still, it’s a reminder that despite the "fun" and positive side of travel—and especially trekking—death can lurk around any corner, and sometimes we need to know our limits to avoid the worst...

In any case, VF is losing one of its most prominent members, thanks to the advice he shared and the humor he sprinkled everywhere.

🙁

Thanks for your tips on China, Yangguizi, and safe travels, far beyond the borders of this little planet.
Jalan jalan !
FA Fabricia Globetrotter ·
To all Patrick-Yangguizi’s friends

It’s with deep emotion that I’m sharing Mme de Brisson’s message and the last photos of Patrick:

Hello everyone, I’d like to once again express my heartfelt gratitude and thanks for all the signs of deep friendship shown during Patrick’s passing and funeral.

All the tributes at the funeral home, each reflecting a part of Patrick’s personality—with a common thread of simplicity, open-mindedness, humor, and kindness—touched me deeply. I think Patrick would have been happy to see these scattered pieces of his personality coming together around him. His life, though too short, left a mark on many, and his memory will live on.

I’m sending you the last photos of Patrick. They were taken two days before his death, as he had begun his descent. He still seemed to be doing well. I’ll also send you the last photo he took of the mountain he wanted to reach. There’s still a symbol of hope in it—a patch of blue sky. Warm regards, Nicole de Brisson
Fabricia - Comme une eau, le monde vous traverse et pour un temps vous prête ses couleurs... ("L'Usage du Monde" - Nicolas Bouvier)
AN Annie36 ·
AR Archimade Veteran ·
🙂 Hi there,

"...the consciousness of a dying person on this earth can, at the moment of death, be karmically directed toward rebirth in another distant galaxy..."

Lama Thubten Yeshe
CL Cleopatre64 Regular ·
I didn’t know him, but I’m still really moved...

Safe travels, and bon voyage!!!
RO Rogerbarthas Globetrotter ·
Hey Patrick!

Just got back from my little paradise and found out you’ve set off on your big trip... We’re gonna miss you, but I’m sure they’ll appreciate you up there! So... one last little favor—save us a nice spot, you know, with all the respect, humor, and good times we love...
Roger
CU Cupda Veteran ·
Yikes!

Whenever someone I like hasn’t posted in a while, I always worry a bit about them—must be my "mother hen" side. Luckily, it’s always for nothing. But this time, with no internet for two months, I didn’t worry about anyone. And yet, that’s exactly when I should’ve.

Zai jian, Diable d'Étranger, you really made me laugh.
SC Sch Globetrotter ·
My sorrow joins yours...

Thanks Patrick for all your spots and travel journals, safe travels to you!

My deepest condolences to his family, his partner, and his loved ones
KA Kaana Regular ·
Hi Patrick-Yangguizi,

I don’t know you personally, and yet, I feel like I do, a little.

While browsing this forum, I quickly came to appreciate your contributions to discussions—thoughtful and funny. Some of them had me laughing out loud.

I discovered your travel journals late, just before summer, thanks to a thread that mentioned them. That morning, I had a lot to organize for my trip, but once I started reading your *Voyage à la découverte de l’Amour*, I couldn’t put it down. What a way with words and what humor!

I’m lucky to have only read one of your journals so far. I’ll be able to dive into the others with joy, but also, no doubt, with a touch of melancholy, taking my time to get to know you better. It saddened me to learn that you won’t be writing any more. I can hardly believe it.

Safe travels, explorer! May the unknown lands you now walk be overflowing with wonders!
"Quand le bûcheron entra dans la forêt, les arbres regardèrent la hache. L'un d'eux dit aux autres: "ne soyons pas inquiets, le manche est des nôtres". D'après Pierre Marchand.
SE SeniorCH Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

So you’re the H. in his journey to discover Love…

Danielle
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
AN Anne75015 Veteran ·
Hi everyone,

I’m forwarding a message from Vladimir, a friend of Patrick’s:

I wanted to let you know that we’ve set up an email address, tributetopatrick@gmail.com, to collect any messages you’d like to share with Patrick’s loved ones.

Personally, I’ve sent the photos I found of Patrick to this address.

Hang in there, everyone... it’s been 3 weeks already...
CO Colombiano Veteran ·
It’s been a while since I last visited VF, and now I hear this news that really breaks my heart... I only knew Yagguizi by his username, even though I knew his real name was Patrick...

Like many others, I discovered him through his travel journals, but his passion for propaganda instruments immediately drew me in to spend more time reading his posts.

He probably didn’t know me, or maybe just in passing, but I knew him through his posts. He was a member I truly appreciated for the way he described what he saw, the irony he had about overzealous officials in certain countries, and his knack for uncovering hidden gems online (especially propaganda music...).

I really hope to visit the places he went (North Korea, Uzbekistan, Pakistan...) and the ones he wanted to go to (Turkmenistan, especially). When I do, there’s no doubt I’ll remember Yagguizi’s travel journals, because he’s one of the people who inspired me to go there.

What more can I say... I’m so sad for his family and loved ones. My sincerest condolences.

Alexis.
Libertad o muerte
CL Claudius77 ·
I’m not much of a traveler. I met Patrick in Paris when he was finishing his studies and about to move to China. I’ve done a lot of traveling vicariously through Patrick. We’ve talked so much over 10 years of forum chatter, yet we’ve only met once—in Paris, at a really nice evening get-together.

He’s one of the dearest friends I have, and the one I’ve seen the least.

It’s been a long time since I’ve had tears in my eyes.

Hey Patrick, I’m really proud that through all my moves and changes, I’ve never lost my A.A.R.R.C.C. card.
CO Cortomaltes ·
Why is it always the best ones who leave us too soon? PS: If anyone has a great idea to publish their travel journals, let me know—I’d love to read them.
Ce n'est pas parce que les choses sont difficiles que nous n'osons pas, c'est parce que nous n'osons pas qu'elles sont difficiles. (Seneque)
RO Ronydor Regular ·
Good evening, It’s with great sadness that I open the VoyageForum pages tonight. I want to express my deepest condolences to Patrick’s family. Safe travels, my friend. Ronan
Il n'est pas pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir.
RA Ragamuffin Globetrotter ·
I’ll probably never know what he thought of the book *Riding the Iron Rooster* by Paul Theroux that I gave him when we met in Shanghai last December.

Shanghai is blue But ... me no worry, me no sad, me no cry Cause ... me love blue of life Shanghai is blue Shanghai is really blue

Life has no more depth Than the leaf of a tree Than the coldest marble In its sorrow Gérard Manset

So long, Yangguizi
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
TY Tylassin Veteran ·
Sad news, Yangguizi.

I loved reading your travel journals and posts here. My wife and son would laugh when I told them about some of the adventures you shared with us. Such a shame we won’t get to read anything new from you.

My thoughts are with your family and loved ones.
PS Psychoid Regular ·
What an incredible and sad piece of news... I had devoured all of Patrick's travel journals, starting with the one (exceptional) dedicated to North Korea, even using alt-tab at work, and we had exchanged a few PMs...

I was eagerly awaiting the Uganda journal, occasionally refreshing the message list, naively thinking that a last message from July 28th was just a sign of a packed schedule. Until today, when I noticed this "For Patrick - Yangguizi" added by an administrator. "No, it can't be an obituary," I thought for a moment... damn, it is...

Patrick, bravo and thank you for the quality of your stories, your humor, and your endless passion for off-the-beaten-path travel and your desire to share it with us, thousands of admiring strangers. After reading your journals, I felt the urge to travel to North Korea and Central Asia. Thank you, and farewell...
MA Manala ·
2:00 PM (French time), our usual time to meet on MSN... My heart can't accept this fate... I miss you, Pat. Kti
FA Fabricia Globetrotter ·
In memory of Patrick, I’m passing along the message I received this morning from Mrs. de Brisson:

Hello, Patrick’s friends and colleagues, along with the partners and lawyers at Bignon Lebray, were extremely kind to publish an announcement in memory of Patrick in today’s edition of *Le Figaro*, September 3, 2008. We are deeply grateful to them. http://www.carnetdujour.publiprint.fr//annonce.php?urn=81097 Sincerely, Nicole de Brisson
Fabricia - Comme une eau, le monde vous traverse et pour un temps vous prête ses couleurs... ("L'Usage du Monde" - Nicolas Bouvier)
SK Skito Regular ·
Like many of you, I just came across this news late, and it’s hitting me hard! Yangguizi, reading your travel journals took me back to Pyongyang—20 years after I actually went there. I walked in your words, turned your pages, and thought that maybe one day, in Shanghai for example, we’d grab a drink and compare memories... In a word or two, we’d put the world to rights, or at least the country!

Of course, you’ll be missed—more than just a little!

My nose is itching, my eyes are stinging a bit. Gotta go blow my nose, excuse me...

For a story to go everywhere, it must come from somewhere...
Skito
NI Nicole06 ·
Hello, I’m Patrick’s mother. I want to thank all of you for these heartfelt messages. They’ve brought us so much comfort and moved us deeply. Some of you knew him personally, and very strong friendships had formed. Others only knew him through his posts, but you all testified to his kindness, his humor, his writing talent, and his human qualities. Patrick will continue to live on through his writings on this forum. We weren’t aware of them, because Patrick kept many aspects of his life separate, but thanks to this site, I’ve discovered so many facets of his personality—his sensitivity, his curiosity, his love for discovering others through his travels. I also understand better now his passion for deeply knowing other cultures by learning languages. He had a spirit of discovery and pursued his thirst for adventure to the fullest. It’s already been a month since he left us, and his memory stays with us constantly. Nicole
MA Manala ·
Hi Nicole, I’m so glad to get in touch with you... I have so many memories to share; I miss Patrick, just like many others do... we used to meet up every day... I have lots of photos with stories he loved telling me... I can send them to you privately if you’d like. Your son was an amazing man—his memory will always stay in my heart. Cathy
KO Kola Globetrotter ·
Hi...

It’s strange to feel affected by the loss of someone you didn’t know—or only through crossed messages...

These aren’t easy moments... passing away at 32 never seems to be in the natural order of things... So alongside the sadness, there can be a sense of anger, rebellion, injustice...

Yet, no matter the timing... Maybe we move on when we’ve finished what we were meant to do...

After the grief, remember the beautiful things and the joyful moments... And smile, even laugh... rereading the written moments left here...
PA Paradis14 Regular ·
Dear all,

Judging by the overwhelming number of heartfelt messages he’s receiving, Patrick was like a shining star on this forum. No doubt that wherever he is now, he’s no longer afraid of the dark...
SE SeniorCH Globetrotter ·
Hello Nicole,

Thank you for coming to this forum. I hope these countless tokens of esteem, affection, and admiration we had for your son bring you some comfort, however small.

Words fail me in expressing how deeply his passing affects me, even though I only knew him through this forum. I can barely imagine the pain of those who knew and loved him "in real life," but I’ll miss him indefinitely.

With all my heart, Danielle
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
JR JRB78180 Regular ·
Good evening Nicole,

Many of us are still here to accompany Patrick on his journey.

How could we not understand your pain, that cry of helplessness, of rebellion, and of love that you couldn’t express and that you wish could reach him across space, across the universes in which he lived.

Patrick was known on the forum for his simplicity, his authenticity, and his joy for life.

What set his travel stories apart wasn’t just the richness of his style or detail—it wasn’t a tedious list of facts or descriptions like a "Prévert-style inventory"—but his ability to make us feel alive when reading his anecdotes, always funny, ironic, or with a touch of tenderness. He was a wordsmith who gave meaning to life: I’d call his stories "slices of life." With his touch, the keyboard brought encounters to life—you could picture their faces, their thoughts, their feelings, making you experience the moment as if you’d been there yourself.

Patrick opened his life and his heart to us, sharing his wonder at discovering people and nature. That’s how he invited us to set off and explore the "world" for ourselves.

My thoughts often go out to him, and to you, his mother. Because there’s nothing more precious than our children. They are our wealth, filling us with all of humanity.

Julie
le mal du voyage, une maladie qui s'attrape lorsque l'évasion nous enrichit des autres....
KH Khaldoun Regular ·
Just back from my trip, I spent ages trying to figure out how the prank ended…

At the very start of this summer, like two kids, we’d run happily through the streets of Strasbourg all the way to the station. Over lunch, we’d completely lost track of time (I mean, *completely*!). Suddenly, it was 3:25 PM—his train was leaving at 3:45 PM. All we could do was sprint.

The day before, I’d picked him up when he arrived. There was emotion and a hint of shyness on both sides (I think), a firm handshake, just enough time to settle onto a terrace, and then the ease, the smiles, and the laughter came naturally.

Really pleasant guy—strong personality and the ability to state big truths (the kind that can ruffle feathers sometimes) with a lot of tact and calm.

Khaldoun
SE SeniorCH Globetrotter ·
"I was born on November 4, 1975 (don’t forget my birthday, thanks) in Nice." (excerpt from http://debrisson.free.fr/index.html)

Happy birthday, Yangguizi.

It’s also been exactly 3 months to the day since you played that cruelest and most unbearable prank on us.

Danielle
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
JR JRB78180 Regular ·
Yanguizzi, Patrick,

You never hesitated to tap away at the keyboard at all hours of the night for us city folks, knowing that many of your admirers were waiting for your return from your "trips" to savor your fine writing.

It’s been three months since you left... and you’re still very much in my thoughts.

You had set us a meet-up, remember? From your personal site: "I was born on November 4, 1975 (don’t forget my birthday, thanks) in Nice, in the south of France, on the Mediterranean coast." So, you see, I’m here to pay tribute to the extraordinary traveler who showed me Asia from a completely different angle.

You see, I’ll accompany you each of these next 10 days, because it’s after these 100 days that our paths will part. I’ll light this flame every evening to illuminate your path beyond the Mountains. Go in Peace, my Friend, and return to us when you feel the time is right.

Oniromance
le mal du voyage, une maladie qui s'attrape lorsque l'évasion nous enrichit des autres....
TI Timouss Globetrotter ·
Today, the whole world is focused on the United States, but for me, November 4th is your birthday. My thoughts are with Nice and Uganda.

Wherever you are, Patrick, I haven’t forgotten you.

Timouss
ES Esvessya Regular ·
So many posts where your presence has been sorely missed. Thoughts. Sylvie
FA Fabricia Globetrotter ·
November 4th... I haven’t forgotten Patrick’s birthday.

Every morning, I miss the pleasure of reading what he used to write to us from Shanghai—posts we’d discover when logging onto this forum, where he only had friends.

My warmest thoughts to you and everyone who loved him.
Fabricia - Comme une eau, le monde vous traverse et pour un temps vous prête ses couleurs... ("L'Usage du Monde" - Nicolas Bouvier)
PA Pataugas Veteran ·
Well, on this November 4th—in the USA—Obama is elected to the White House and McCain, though defeated, gave the most beautiful speech of his entire career—dignified, humane, and generous. Isn’t that powerfully moving? Obama winning by a landslide and McCain showing such a noble spirit—isn’t that even better than in our wildest dreams?

Isn’t this a Gift worth leaving here, at Patrick’s place, as a tribute, a symbol, and a little wink?

My warmest thoughts to those who knew and loved Yangguizi.
"le silence des pantoufles est plus terrifiant que le bruit des bottes"
AR Arrawak Globetrotter ·
🙁 It’s good of you to have reminded us of this date. So that our thoughts can once again be with him; And rise up high, way up there, toward the stars.
Tout vient à point pour qui sait attendre

Bonjour à tous ARRAWAK
JR JRB78180 Regular ·
To Patrick,

"For in the world of Memory there are no distances; and it is only in Forgetting that there yawns a chasm which neither your voice nor your gaze can cross."

Khalil Gibran, *The Garden of the Prophet*
le mal du voyage, une maladie qui s'attrape lorsque l'évasion nous enrichit des autres....
CO Cortomaltes ·
Why is it always the best ones who leave us too soon? PS: If anyone has the bright idea of publishing their travel journals as a book, let me know—I’m in.
Ce n'est pas parce que les choses sont difficiles que nous n'osons pas, c'est parce que nous n'osons pas qu'elles sont difficiles. (Seneque)
DE Deedou Veteran ·
Oh wow... this photo will always be, for me, the playful and vivid embodiment of our Yangguizi. I hadn’t read all his travel journals yet... a way to keep discovering him and to always feel like he’s still with us. Indeed, every day there’ll be new readers eager to dive into Yangguizi’s stories.

Thanks to François, and with his family’s permission, for giving us the chance to download his journals so we can read them at our leisure without needing that lifesaver Ctrl+Alt+Tab.

See you soon, Patrick.
« Seuls ceux qui risquent sont libres »
TI Tinariwen Regular ·
We’ve been away from VF for a long time, and it’s with great sadness that we learned of the passing of the phenomenon Yangguizi... Rest in peace.
Maandnach ou maykhessnach
NI Nicole06 ·
Hello, I’d like to thank you again for the deeply touching signs of friendship you’ve shown us since Patrick’s terrible passing, through the personal messages you posted on VF. They’ve helped us so much during these incredibly difficult times. Of course, the grief is still here, but Patrick will live on through the memories he left us all. Patrick, who managed to skip the transition into 2008, unfortunately couldn’t avoid the entire year of 2008, and went straight to 2009—which I hope will be happy and full of discoveries, just like he loved. Nicole de Brisson __ I managed to skip the transition into 2008 http://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=1438508;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=-1;

January 1, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I’ve checked and rechecked my calculations multiple times, consulted Google and the stars, and even asked a rabbit to pull some cards for me just to be sure—just in case—and it really does seem like I’ve finally pulled off THE FEAT: skipping the transition from 2007 to 2008.

Let’s simplify: in any given time zone, the start of the new year happens somewhere between 11:59:59 PM on December 31 and 12:00:01 AM on January 1. The vast majority of people on Earth experience this moment at some point, no matter where they are. Impossible to escape unless you can time-travel or have well-placed extraterrestrial friends who can abduct you at the right moment.

Impossible, then? Not quite—there *is* a way to skip it, and that’s what I managed last night on flight EK 122 from Istanbul to Dubai, operated by the excellent Emirates Airlines. The flight was scheduled to depart at 7:10 PM (Turkish time) on December 31 and arrive at 1:15 AM (UAE time) on January 1. A stroke of luck meant the plane left on time and actually arrived about half an hour early, around 12:45 AM.

Let’s try to explain this phenomenon as simply as possible.

When it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s 10:00 PM in Istanbul and 11:30 PM in Iran. The Istanbul-Dubai flight crosses Turkey from west to east, passes just north of the Iraqi border, then veers southeast over the Zagros Mountains, southern Iran, and finally the Persian Gulf before landing in Dubai. For our purposes, the last hour of the flight is what matters—specifically, the transition from Iran to international waters and then the UAE. The UAE is half an hour ahead of Iran, so these two countries (and everyone in them) entered 2008 half an hour apart. It’s reasonable to assume the same applies to anyone in a plane flying over these areas at the time.

Here’s the crucial part—bear with me: when it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s only 11:30 PM in Iran. And when it’s midnight in Iran, it’s already 12:30 AM in Dubai. So anyone crossing from one country to the other within that half-hour window essentially jumps straight from, say, 11:45 PM on December 31 to 12:15 AM on January 1—no transition. After studying the map and estimating distances and flight times, it seems the EK 122 flight last night crossed from Iran to the UAE *during* that critical half-hour, outside of time itself. So it’s not unreasonable to say that the lucky passengers (and crew—let’s not forget the crew!) on that flight didn’t experience the transition into 2008.

Sure, the reasoning could use some refining—like checking whether the part of the Persian Gulf we crossed was in international waters, Saudi, or Bahraini territory, which might mean adjusting the calculations or considering other time zones. But for heaven’s sake, let me dream and believe I’ve achieved the ultimate goal of every self-respecting grump: snubbing the start of a new year.

And no amount of hysterical squealing from a few airheaded flight attendants when Dubai’s clock hit midnight (when, for crying out loud, we weren’t even in Dubai’s time zone yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) is going to dampen my enthusiasm. Since they were women, I didn’t even try to explain my reasoning when they walked down the aisle wishing everyone a happy new year—I knew by the time they understood what I was talking about, I’d have missed my connecting flight. So I just silently savored my victory.

To wrap up, I’d like to thank the captain of flight EK 122 for making up some time (otherwise, it would’ve been game over—I would’ve crossed midnight in Iran), as well as the favorable winds that made it possible. I’d also like to thank the late Saddam Hussein, who, if he hadn’t messed up in 1990, wouldn’t have triggered the Iraqi air embargo, which disrupted most Middle Eastern flight routes—including the one between Istanbul and Dubai. Thanks, Saddam, wherever you are.

January 2, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Alright, I think I’m going to have to cave to popular demand and give up my vow of abstinence... from new year’s wishes. So here’s wishing you all the best, and may you cross as many time zones as possible in the next 12 months.

January 3, 2008 at 8:10 AM

I don’t entirely agree with your reasoning, maitairoa, because it has two flaws: the plane would have to cross the border between the two countries *exactly* as one of them hits midnight, which is highly unlikely (in my case, there was a half-hour margin). And if it does happen, it’s better to move from the back of the plane to the front rather than the other way around. Here’s why: the goal is to cross from one country to the other as quickly as possible to skip the midnight barrier. To do that, you need to move as fast as possible from west to east. Assuming a person walks at 1 meter per second and a plane flies at about 300 meters per second, someone walking from the back to the front of the plane would be moving at 301 meters per second relative to the ground, while someone walking the opposite way (in the other aisle, to avoid bumping into each other and slowing down) would only be moving at 299 meters per second. My ‘pisser’ (as in, the person walking) would therefore be faster than yours and have a better chance of success. It’s also clear that the chances of success for a ‘pisser’ compared to a passenger sitting still are only slightly better, since their speed is negligible compared to the plane’s.

There—had to get that off my chest.

(If someone could explain this in simpler terms for glatch, that’d be great.)

January 8, 2008 at 3:14 AM

You’re right—it could’ve also worked by crossing the International Date Line from east to west.

I still think my method works too (unless there’s a miscalculation or a map positioning error, but in theory, it should). Time zones create sharp boundaries—they’re not gradual. You don’t gain a second in time by moving one arc-second east. When you cross a time zone, you jump straight from 3:24 PM to 4:24 PM, or from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM... or from 11:45 PM to 12:45 AM.

January 8, 2008 at 3:31 AM

Isn’t Schrödinger the guy who had fun strapping a buttered toast to his cat’s back and tossing it out the window to see if it’d land on its feet or buttered-side down? Because that’s pretty much the only feline paradox I know.

True, I didn’t factor quantum physics into my reasoning. But on Christmas Eve, I *did* manage to avoid the carol perspective, and that’s another feat I’m proud of.

January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I hope no one from Normandy is reading this. I’d hate for Caen to tick.

Other than that, nothing to add—but I wanted to drop a
NI Nicole06 ·
Hello, I’d like to thank you again for the deeply touching signs of friendship you’ve shown us since Patrick’s terrible passing, through the personal messages you posted on VF. They’ve helped us so much during these incredibly difficult times. Of course, the grief is still here, but Patrick will live on through the memories he left us all. Patrick, who managed to skip the transition into 2008, unfortunately couldn’t avoid the entire year 2008, moving straight into 2009—a year I hope will be happy and full of discoveries, just like he loved.

Nicole de Brisson __ I managed to skip the transition into 2008 http://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=1438508;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=-1;

January 1, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I’ve double- and triple-checked my calculations, consulted Google and the stars, and even asked a rabbit to read my cards just to be sure—just in case—and it really does seem like I’ve finally pulled off THE FEAT: skipping the transition from 2007 to 2008.

Let’s simplify: in any given time zone, the start of the new year happens somewhere between 11:59:59 PM on December 31 and 12:00:01 AM on January 1. The vast majority of people on Earth experience this moment at some point, no matter where they are. The only way to escape it is by time-traveling or having well-placed alien friends who can abduct you at the right moment.

Impossible, then? Not quite—there *is* a way to pull it off, and that’s exactly what I did last night on flight EK 122 from Istanbul to Dubai, operated by the excellent Emirates Airlines. The flight was scheduled to depart at 7:10 PM (Turkish time) on December 31 and arrive at 1:15 AM (UAE time) on January 1. A stroke of luck meant the plane left on time and even arrived about half an hour early, around 12:45 AM.

Let me try to explain this phenomenon as simply as possible.

When it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s 10:00 PM in Istanbul and 11:30 PM in Iran. The Istanbul-Dubai flight crosses Turkey from west to east, skirts just north of the Iraqi border, then veers southeast over the Zagros Mountains, southern Iran, and finally the Persian Gulf before landing in Dubai. For our purposes, the last hour of the flight is what matters—specifically, the transition from Iran to international waters and then the UAE. The UAE is half an hour ahead of Iran, so these two countries (and everyone in them) ring in 2008 half an hour apart. It’s reasonable to assume the same applies to anyone in a plane flying over these areas at that time.

Here’s the crucial part—bear with me: when it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s only 11:30 PM in Iran. And when it’s midnight in Iran, it’s already 12:30 AM in Dubai. So anyone crossing from one country to the other within that half-hour window essentially jumps straight from, say, 11:45 PM on December 31 to 12:15 AM on January 1—skipping the stroke of midnight entirely. After studying the map and estimating distances and flight times, it seems the EK 122 flight last night crossed from Iran to the UAE *right* during that fateful half-hour, outside of time itself. So it’s not unreasonable to say that the lucky passengers (and crew—let’s not forget the crew!) on that flight never experienced the transition into 2008.

Sure, the reasoning could use some refining—like checking whether the part of the Persian Gulf we crossed was in international waters, Saudi, or Bahraini territory, which might mean adjusting for other time zones. But for heaven’s sake, let me dream and believe I’ve achieved the ultimate goal of every self-respecting grump: snubbing the start of a new year.

And no amount of hysterical squealing from a few airheaded flight attendants when Dubai’s clock struck midnight (when, for crying out loud, we *weren’t even in Dubai’s time zone yet*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) could dampen my enthusiasm. Since they were women, I didn’t even bother explaining my theory as they walked through the cabin wishing everyone a happy new year—I knew by the time they understood what I was talking about, I’d have missed my connecting flight. So I just sat back and savored my victory in silence.

To wrap up, I’d like to thank the captain of EK 122 for making up some time (otherwise, it would’ve been game over—I’d have crossed into midnight in Iran), as well as the favorable winds that made it all possible. I’d also like to thank the late Saddam Hussein, who—if he hadn’t messed up in 1990—wouldn’t have triggered the Iraqi airspace blockade, which reshaped most Middle Eastern flight routes, including the one between Istanbul and Dubai. Thanks, Saddam, wherever you are.

January 2, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Alright, I think I’ll have to cave to popular demand and break my vow of abstinence… from new year’s wishes. So here’s to all of you: may you cross as many time zones as possible in the next 12 months.

January 3, 2008 at 8:10 AM

I don’t entirely agree with your reasoning, maitairoa, because it has two flaws: first, the plane would have to cross the border between the two countries *exactly* as one of them hits midnight, which is highly unlikely (in my case, there was a 30-minute margin). And if it *does* happen, it’s better to move from the back of the plane to the front rather than the other way around. Here’s why: the goal is to cross from one country to the other as quickly as possible to skip the midnight barrier. To do that, you need to move east as fast as possible. Assuming a person walks at 1 meter per second and a plane flies at about 300 meters per second, someone walking from the back to the front of the plane moves at 301 meters per second relative to the ground, while someone walking the opposite way only moves at 299 meters per second. My ‘pisser’ (as in, the person walking) would therefore be faster than yours and have a better chance of success. You’ll also realize that the chances of success for a ‘pisser’ compared to a passenger sitting still are only slightly better, since their speed is negligible compared to the plane’s.

There—had to get that off my chest.

(If someone could explain this in simpler terms for glatch, that’d be great.)

January 8, 2008 at 3:14 AM

You’re right—it could’ve also worked by crossing the International Date Line from east to west.

I still think my method works too (unless there’s a miscalculation or a map positioning error, but in theory, it should). Time zones create sharp divides—they’re not gradual. You don’t gain a second in time by moving one arc-second east. When you cross a time zone, you jump straight from 3:24 PM to 4:24 PM, or from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM… or from 11:45 PM to 12:45 AM.

January 8, 2008 at 3:31 AM

Isn’t Schrödinger the guy who had fun strapping a buttered toast to his cat’s back and tossing it out the window to see if it’d land on its feet or buttered-side down? Because that’s pretty much the only feline paradox I know.

True, I didn’t factor quantum physics into my reasoning. But on Christmas Eve, I *did* manage to avoid the carol perspective, and that’s another feat I’m proud of.

January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I hope no one from Normandy is reading this. I’d hate for Caen to hold a grudge.

Other than that, nothing to add—but I wanted to drop a too.
NI Nicole06 ·
Hello, I’d like to thank you again for the deeply touching signs of friendship you’ve shown us since Patrick’s terrible passing, through the very personal messages you posted on VF. They’ve helped us so much during these incredibly difficult times. Of course, the grief is still here, but Patrick will live on through the memories he left us all. Patrick, who managed to skip the transition into 2008, unfortunately couldn’t avoid the entire year 2008, jumping straight to 2009—which I hope will be happy and full of discoveries, just as Patrick loved them. Nicole de Brisson __ I managed to skip the transition into 2008 http://voyageforum.com/v.f?do=post_view_flat;post=1438508;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=-1

January 1, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I’ve double- and triple-checked my calculations, consulted Google and the stars, and even asked a rabbit to pull some cards for me—just to be sure—and it seems I’ve finally pulled off THE FEAT: skipping the transition from 2007 to 2008.

Let’s simplify: in any given time zone, the new year begins somewhere between 11:59:59 PM on December 31 and 12:00:01 AM on January 1. The vast majority of people on Earth experience this transition at some point, no matter where they are. Impossible to escape unless you can time-travel or have well-connected alien friends who can abduct you at just the right moment.

Impossible, then? Not entirely. There *is* a way to skip it, and I managed it last night on flight EK 122 from Istanbul to Dubai, operated by the excellent Emirates Airlines. The flight was scheduled to depart at 7:10 PM (Turkish time) on December 31 and arrive at 1:15 AM (UAE time) on January 1. A stroke of luck meant the plane left on time and even arrived about half an hour early, around 12:45 AM.

Let’s try to explain this phenomenon as simply as possible.

When it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s 10:00 PM in Istanbul and 11:30 PM in Iran. The Istanbul-Dubai flight crosses Turkey from west to east, passes just north of the Iraqi border, then veers southeast over the Zagros Mountains, southern Iran, and finally the Persian Gulf before landing in Dubai. For our purposes, the last hour of the flight is key—specifically, the transition from Iran to international waters and then the UAE. The UAE is half an hour ahead of Iran, so these two countries (and everyone in them) entered 2008 half an hour apart. It’s reasonable to assume the same applies to anyone in a plane directly above them at that moment.

Here’s the crucial part—bear with me: when it’s midnight in Dubai, it’s only 11:30 PM in Iran. And when it’s midnight in Iran, it’s already 12:30 AM in Dubai. So anyone crossing from one country to the other within that half-hour window essentially jumps straight from, say, 11:45 PM on December 31 to 12:15 AM on January 1—skipping the stroke of midnight entirely. Based on the flight path and timing, it seems flight EK 122 crossed from Iran to the UAE during that critical half-hour, outside of time itself. So it’s not unreasonable to say that the lucky passengers (and crew—let’s not forget the crew!) on that flight never experienced the transition into 2008.

Admittedly, the reasoning could use some refinement. We’d need to confirm whether the part of the Persian Gulf crossed at that moment was in international waters, Saudi, or Bahraini territory, which might require adjusting the calculations or factoring in other time zones. But for now, let me dream and believe I’ve achieved the ultimate goal of every self-respecting grump: snubbing the start of a new year.

And no amount of hysterical squealing from a few airheaded flight attendants when Dubai’s clock struck midnight (even though, for crying out loud, we weren’t even in Dubai’s time zone yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) could dampen my enthusiasm. Since they were women, I didn’t even bother explaining my reasoning as they walked through the cabin wishing everyone a happy new year—I knew they wouldn’t grasp it before I’d miss my connecting flight. So I just savored my victory in silence.

To wrap up, I’d like to thank the captain of flight EK 122 for making up some time (otherwise, it would’ve been game over—I’d have crossed into midnight in Iran), as well as the favorable winds that made it possible. I’d also like to thank the late Saddam Hussein, who—if he hadn’t messed up in 1990—wouldn’t have triggered the Iraqi air embargo, which disrupted most Middle Eastern flight routes, including the one between Istanbul and Dubai. Thanks, Saddam, wherever you are.

January 2, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Alright, I think I’ll have to cave to popular demand and break my vow of abstinence... from new year’s wishes. So here’s to all of you: may you cross as many time zones as possible in the next 12 months.

January 3, 2008 at 8:10 AM

I don’t entirely agree with your reasoning, maitairoa, as it has two flaws: the plane would have to cross the border between the two countries *exactly* as one of them hits midnight, which is highly unlikely (in my case, there was a 30-minute margin). And if it does happen, it’s better to move from the back of the plane to the front rather than the other way around. Here’s why: the goal is to cross from one country to the other as quickly as possible to skip the midnight barrier. To do that, you need to move as fast as possible from west to east. Assuming a person walks at 1 meter per second and a plane flies at about 300 meters per second, someone walking from the back to the front of the plane moves at 301 meters per second relative to the ground, while someone walking the opposite way (in the other aisle to avoid collisions) only moves at 299 meters per second. My “pee-er” (as in, someone taking a bathroom break) would therefore be faster than yours and have a better chance of success. We’d also see that the chances of success for a “pee-er” compared to a passenger sitting still are only slightly higher, since their speed is negligible compared to the plane’s.

There. Had to be said.

(If someone could explain this in simpler terms for glatch, that’d be great.)

January 8, 2008 at 3:14 AM

You’re right—it could’ve also worked by crossing the International Date Line from east to west.

I still think my method works (unless there’s a miscalculation or a map positioning error, but in theory, it should). Time zones create sharp boundaries; they’re not gradual. You don’t gain a second in time by moving one arc-second east. When you cross a time zone, you jump straight from 3:24 PM to 4:24 PM, or from 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM... or from 11:45 PM to 12:45 AM.

January 8, 2008 at 3:31 AM

Isn’t Schrödinger the guy who tied a buttered toast to his cat’s back and threw it out the window to see if it’d land on its feet or the buttered side? Because that’s pretty much the only feline paradox I know.

True, I didn’t factor quantum physics into my reasoning. But on Christmas Eve, I *did* manage to avoid the carol perspective, and that’s another feat I’m proud of.

January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I hope no one from Normandy is reading this. I’d hate for Caen to hold a grudge.

Other than that, nothing to add—just wanted to drop another

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