Si on intègre dans le calcul le risque de "grève en tout genre", dont nous avons déjà subit les conséquences lors d'un voyage précédent, la balance penche de plus en plus vers nos amis bataves. J'ai toujours apprécié mes voyages avec AF mais là, ça coince sérieusement. J'ai essayé de contacter AF par mail mais le formulaire de "contact" du site ne fonctionne pas. Des idées sur la question? Christian
Prix de billets vers Salt Lake City: surprenants
by Chrou54
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous,
Je prépare doucement notre prochain voyage outre atlantique pour septembre 2015. Le programme serait une boucle au départ de Salt Lake City qui se terminerait à San Francisco. Départ le 7/9 retour le 23/09.
La recherche de billets d'avion est assez surprenante. Nous habitons Bruxelles, les possibilités s'offrent à partir de cette ville mais aussi de Paris et d'Amsterdam. Je préfèrerais le moins d'escales possible et une arrivée à SLC à une heure "raisonnable".
Pour le voyage de cette année vers la même destination, nous avions voyagé avec Air France. Départ 7h10 de Bruxelles en TGV vers CDG puis trajet vers SLC avec Delta, arrivée à 13h35, retour au départ de Las Vegas. Le tout pour un peu moins de 1.000€ par personne.
En recherchant les vols aujourd'hui sur le site AF, le vol Aller sans escale de CDG à SLC est affiché à environ 1.340€ !!!!!!! le vol retour de SFO à environ 500€ soit ± 1.850€ AR par personne. Je ne comprends pas le prix exorbitant de ce vol Aller sans escale vers SLC. Seuls les vols avec escale (Detroit, Minéapolis, …..) arrivant passé 20h à SLC sont à des prix "normaux".
Y aurait-il un événement particulier entre Paris et SLC à cette période, faisant grimper le tarif?
Le mystère s'épaissit quand on fait la même recherche sur Ebooker.fr où ce vol est proposé à moins de 1.000€ re !!!!!!! (prix pour les vols Aller et Retour, il n'est pas possible de détailler)
En recherchant sur le site de KLM (partenaire d'AF et du même Delta), en partant tôt le matin de Bruxelles, il y a un vol direct Amsterdam SLC assuré par Delta, arrivant là-bas à 13h15. Le prix AR est à environ 1.100€
Si on intègre dans le calcul le risque de "grève en tout genre", dont nous avons déjà subit les conséquences lors d'un voyage précédent, la balance penche de plus en plus vers nos amis bataves. J'ai toujours apprécié mes voyages avec AF mais là, ça coince sérieusement. J'ai essayé de contacter AF par mail mais le formulaire de "contact" du site ne fonctionne pas. Des idées sur la question? Christian
Si on intègre dans le calcul le risque de "grève en tout genre", dont nous avons déjà subit les conséquences lors d'un voyage précédent, la balance penche de plus en plus vers nos amis bataves. J'ai toujours apprécié mes voyages avec AF mais là, ça coince sérieusement. J'ai essayé de contacter AF par mail mais le formulaire de "contact" du site ne fonctionne pas. Des idées sur la question? Christian
Peut-être qu'ils veulent se refaire une santé financière , pour le cas où ils devraient finalement payer leurs pilotes grévistes 😎 de la dernière fois (?) ... 🤪
Bonjour Jean-Michel,
Ta proposition m'agrée totalement (lol). Je ne sais pas si c'est le "Yield Management" qui est responsable de ce prix mais c'est surprenant. En faisant une simulation avec dates de départ à la mi-mai, ce même vol est affiché à 514€. Où est le problème?
Christian
Bonsoir,
ta simulation est-elle correcte ??? car si tu indiques des prix séparés aller et retour...c'est que tu n'as pas coché "multidestinations" c'est là qu'est "le bug" ! ou je me trompe ???
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ta simulation est-elle correcte ??? car si tu indiques des prix séparés aller et retour...c'est que tu n'as pas coché "multidestinations" c'est là qu'est "le bug" ! ou je me trompe ???
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...Je ne sais pas si c'est le "Yield Management" qui est responsable de ce prix mais c'est surprenant. En faisant une simulation avec dates de départ à la mi-mai, ce même vol est affiché à 514€. Où est le problème?
Il n'y a pratiquement que le yield management qui détermine maintenant les prix des Cies Donc peut être une manifestation de prévue en septembre que le programme a pris en compte ( les programmes sont de +en+ affinés ) un coup d'œil ici peut être une partie de la réponse http://www.visitsaltlake.com/convention-calendar/
De plus parfois les prix des billets open jaw sont très différent selon le sens !
Il n'y a pratiquement que le yield management qui détermine maintenant les prix des Cies Donc peut être une manifestation de prévue en septembre que le programme a pris en compte ( les programmes sont de +en+ affinés ) un coup d'œil ici peut être une partie de la réponse http://www.visitsaltlake.com/convention-calendar/
De plus parfois les prix des billets open jaw sont très différent selon le sens !
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
Bonjour Jean,
Mes simulations sont correctes. J'ai bien coché "multi destination" avec premier trajet Bruxelles > SLC deuxième trajet SFO > Bruxelles avec les dates ad hoc.
Sur le site AF, ils distinguent le prix de l'aller de celui du retour. Tu peux choisir celui que tu désire en connaissance de cause: horaires mais aussi prix (ce qui est très bienfait). A partir de 3 vol différents, tu n'a plus ce détail. Sur d'autres sites (KLM par exemple) tu n'obtiens qu'un prix pour le voyage complet, sans pouvoir faire le détail, d'où la mention du prix AR.
Je suspecte un bug informatique mais .......... La différence de prix est si énoooorme que je doute de sa véracité cependant les politiques tarifaires sont à ce point occultes que plus rien ne m'étonne.
Bien à toi.
Christian
Christian
Bonjour Michel,
Notre voyage serait coincé entre l'American Association of Nurse Anesthetists
2015 Annual Meeting Location: Salt Palace qui attend 3,300 personnes et le Federal Bar Association Federal Bar
Location: Little America Hotel qui attend 170 personnes.
Si le Yield Management est sensible à ce point pour faire passer le prix d'un vol de +- 500€ à plus de 1.300€, ça promet.
En plus, il n'y a que la France qui est touchée, les Hollandais ne doivent pas se déplacer pour ces manifestations.
Ah Ah
Christian
Christian
Peut-être qu'ils veulent se refaire une santé financière , pour le cas où ils devraient finalement payer leurs pilotes grévistes 😎 de la dernière fois (?) ... 🤪
Tu ne crois pas si bien dire 🤪🤪🤪
http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2014/11/05/20005-20141105ARTFIG00014-air-france-les-pilotes-exigent-le-paiement-des-jours-de-greve.php
Tu ne crois pas si bien dire 🤪🤪🤪
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Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
Une recherche sur le site de Delta pour un départ de Bruxelles vers SLC ignore totalement Paris et les possibilités offertes par AF de transfert Bruxelles > CDG en TGV. Généralement une escale à Amsterdam (comme pour la simulation KLM).
J'ai du faire la simulation à partir de CDG > SLC. Les prix restent élevés mais pas du tout à la hauteur de celui proposé par AF (1.117€ pour l'AR détail du prix non visible). A quoi je devrais ajouter le prix du transfert en TGV.
Par contre pour le retour par SFO, d'autres possibilités intéressantes sur Delta.com (en horaire et financièrement). Ma fidélité (relative) à AF commence à avoir du plomb dans l'aile, du moins pour ce voyage.
Christian
Re bonjour Jean-Pierre,
Je sais que le prix n'est pas tout, mais quand on fait le rapport avantages/inconvénients, la balance penche de plus en plus vers autre chose que AF. La "grèviculture", tant pour la Belgique que pour la France influence également ce choix.
Si on pouvait juste manger un peu mieux sur les vols Delta, j’accepterais volontier. Sur nos vols de l'année passée, je ne sais toujours pas ce qu'on nous a servi comme "collation". Beaucoup d'américains n'y ont même pas touché. C'est pour dire. Mais ceci est un autre débat et certains diront (et ils ont raison), que l'on ne peut pas avoir le beurre, l'argent du beurre et le sourire de la crémière.
Bonne journée
Christian
De toute façon, le vol direct SLC->Paris est assuré par DELTA. Donc pas moyen d'y echapper.
Ceci dit, mon fils qui fait "souvent" le vol CHICAGO-MARSEILLE a essayé les 3 compagnies de SKYTEAM : Au debut, il n'aimait pas beaucoup DELTA, mais depuis qu'il prend l'option siege economy confort, et que les 667 ont été renovés, il ne craint plus.
Pour la nourriture, lorsqu'on part des USA, la nourriture est du catering US., quelle que soit la compagnie.🏴☠️
Ceci dit, mon fils qui fait "souvent" le vol CHICAGO-MARSEILLE a essayé les 3 compagnies de SKYTEAM : Au debut, il n'aimait pas beaucoup DELTA, mais depuis qu'il prend l'option siege economy confort, et que les 667 ont été renovés, il ne craint plus.
Pour la nourriture, lorsqu'on part des USA, la nourriture est du catering US., quelle que soit la compagnie.🏴☠️
Ah, LE fameux vol Chicago-Marseille...en 667 en plus..... 😎
Bonjour,
Je suis également en train de chercher des billets Paris - Denver pour juillet-août 2015 (la mauvaise période mais ado scolarisée oblige) et je trouve les prix particulièrement élevés (même sur Icelandair...). Par contre je suis étonnée qu'il en soit de même pour septembre qui est en général plus abordable.
Je suis également en train de chercher des billets Paris - Denver pour juillet-août 2015 (la mauvaise période mais ado scolarisée oblige) et je trouve les prix particulièrement élevés (même sur Icelandair...). Par contre je suis étonnée qu'il en soit de même pour septembre qui est en général plus abordable.
oui, c'est celui qui passe au dessus du port de Marseille pour faire admirer la Sardine qui bloque le port...
Bonsoir André,
Oui nous irons à Yellowstone et je peux comprendre que la quantité de demandes peut faire augmenter les prix (yield management) mais ce qui est surprenant c'est que c'est seulement à partir de Paris CDG, que cette augmentation est d'une telle ampleur. Une punition divine peut-être ou un différent entre Mr Holland et les Mormons, pourtant ils acceptent la polygamie. Je plaisante, je me laisse emporter.
Bien à toi
Christian
Etant donné qu'il n'y a qu'un vol par jour vers Salt Lake City depuis Paris, les tarifs sont élevés. Septembre n'est pas aussi attractif niveau tarif que juin.
Je me rends aussi dans cette région en septembre 2015, (du 08 au 24 pour ma part), je surveille les tarifs depuis quelques temps, et c'est pas sur l'avion que je vais faire des économies.
Du 7 au 23 septembre,
900€ en vols direct au départ d'AMS 840 avec une escale au retour
900€ en vols direct au départ d'AMS 840 avec une escale au retour
🙂Ouais bon ! Je connais pas la politique d'Air France mais si leurs actions réflètent celles des autres transporteurs, ils jouent la carte de l'offre et la demande avec efficacité. Est-ce que par hasard le vol est assez comblé et qu'aussi longtemps d'avance, ils tentent tout simplement de vendre à prix fort les derniers sièges ?
D'autre part, les vols sur Vegas sont toujours moins chers car la concurrence pour cette destination est très forte. Tout le monde s'y rend !! Exagération de ma part mais quand même....! Peut-être que l'économie sur le vol vous motiverait à vous tapper une journée de route vers SLC. Quel est le prix de location de bagnole à partir de Vegas au lieu de SLC ?
Juste comme ça là : la vitesse permise sur la 15 entre Vegas et SLC est 80 milles/hre. C'est la plus élevée de tous les USA ! J'y ai passé il y'a un mois. À cette vitesse, tout le monde me dépassait y compris les poids lourds !! Alors 6 hres de trajet entre SLC et Vegas semble réaliste.
D'autre part, les vols sur Vegas sont toujours moins chers car la concurrence pour cette destination est très forte. Tout le monde s'y rend !! Exagération de ma part mais quand même....! Peut-être que l'économie sur le vol vous motiverait à vous tapper une journée de route vers SLC. Quel est le prix de location de bagnole à partir de Vegas au lieu de SLC ?
Juste comme ça là : la vitesse permise sur la 15 entre Vegas et SLC est 80 milles/hre. C'est la plus élevée de tous les USA ! J'y ai passé il y'a un mois. À cette vitesse, tout le monde me dépassait y compris les poids lourds !! Alors 6 hres de trajet entre SLC et Vegas semble réaliste.
Bonjour,
A votre place je prendrais un A/R pour SLC et quand je suis a SFO je prendrai un vol interieur SFO-SLC qui n'est pas cher puis le vol retour sur l'Europe.
En plus les promos ne sortent pas si tot . Moi j'attendrai janvier voire plus tard pour acheter les billets .
Bon voyage
🙂Ouais bon ! Je connais pas la politique d'Air France mais si leurs actions réflètent celles des autres transporteurs, ils jouent la carte de l'offre et la demande avec efficacité. Est-ce que par hasard le vol est assez comblé et qu'aussi longtemps d'avance, ils tentent tout simplement de vendre à prix fort les derniers sièges ?.
Tout a fait exact un seul operateur en direct avec un seul vol ... pourquoi va t il brader ses prix surtout aussi loin du départ c'est idem pour tout le monde pas propre a AF
Tout a fait exact un seul operateur en direct avec un seul vol ... pourquoi va t il brader ses prix surtout aussi loin du départ c'est idem pour tout le monde pas propre a AF
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
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After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Since it came into force, Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and Council, which defines air passenger rights, has faced fierce resistance from airlines, backed by IATA (the association representing almost all passenger airlines).
Beyond the airlines' often abusive—and even frequently bad-faith—resistance to passenger rights, IATA has been lobbying EU institutions for years, with the Council paying close attention for a long time.
As a result, the Council and the Commission have been proposing revisions to Regulation 261/2004 for years that are particularly unfavorable to passengers. The latest attempt nearly eliminated the right to compensation for delays of 3 hours or more upon arrival at the final destination.
However, since this is a regulation of both the European Parliament AND the Council, the two bodies had to agree.
But the European Parliament has always stood firm, consistently responding that passenger rights must be preserved.
After 11 years of struggle, it seems likely that we’re finally nearing the end of the match between the European Commission, the Council (the 27 heads of state or government), and the European Parliament.
Indeed, the Commission and the European Parliament have agreed on a text that will be debated again on Monday, July 6, 2026, with a vote scheduled for July 7, 2026. It’s very likely that this text, which would come into force in a year, will be adopted.
The main changes would be as follows: - Families with children will no longer be forced to pay to sit together on planes; - A flight will be considered canceled (not just delayed) if it departs more than one hour late; - Right to compensation for arrival at the final destination if the delay exceeds 3 hours (no longer "3 hours OR more"). The arrival time will be when the plane, having reached its parking spot, engages its parking brakes (no longer when the aircraft door opens); - Airlines can no longer refuse boarding or charge extra on the return flight for a passenger who didn’t take the outbound flight; - If a flight is canceled, the airline must, at the same time as informing passengers of the event, offer the choice between a refund and re-routing, and inform them of their rights to assistance and, if applicable, compensation; - The airline must, without undue delay, inform passengers of the reason; - In the case of a connecting flight, if the connection is missed and the delay at the final destination entitles the passenger to compensation, the responsible airline will be liable. This is very different from the current situation, where, under the KLM ruling, any airline operating a segment of the flight is liable for compensation. This promises more disputes that the Court of Justice of the European Union will have to resolve if two separate airlines operating segments of a connecting flight are both responsible for the delay. See this case for an example: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/swiss-international-air-lines-la-mauvaise-foi/ Moreover, this case demonstrates in advance another potential dispute: It could be argued that it wasn’t a missed connection since the flight was canceled before the first leg even departed. - Within 96 hours of a flight that could entitle passengers to compensation, the airline must contact them to inform them of their rights and explain the next steps. - Passengers must claim their right to compensation within 9 months. This is very different from the current situation, as Regulation 261/2004 sets no time limit. Currently, national law applies—in France, the limit is 5 years. The airline must respond within 30 days. If the airline refuses compensation on the grounds of "extraordinary circumstances," it must specify which type of case it refers to from the list in the annex of the new regulation. If the case isn’t on the list, the airline must explain what the event was, why it qualifies as extraordinary circumstances with "clear, substantial, and concise" explanations, and why it’s directly linked to the reason given. It must also declare what "reasonable measures" were taken to mitigate the issue. This is, of course, a huge change in the regulation, with the clear goal of preventing airlines from declaring just anything as "extraordinary circumstances" to avoid compensation. - If, within 3 hours of a last-minute canceled or delayed flight, the airline hasn’t offered re-routing under comparable transport conditions and as soon as possible—whether on one of its own flights or another airline’s—the passenger will have the right to arrange their own re-routing and demand a refund for the new ticket, up to 400% of the original ticket price. This is a significant improvement that would have likely prevented the case described here: https://retardimportantavion.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/reacheminement-catastrophique-droit-indemnisation-meme-circonstances-extraordinaires-2/ - If a flight is canceled due to "extraordinary circumstances," the airline will only be required to offer up to 3 nights in a hotel. This is a major change, as there’s currently no limit. Expect disputes if the extraordinary circumstances end while the passenger hasn’t been re-routed. - The price of a flight, as first displayed, must obligatorily include a cabin bag. This doesn’t prevent the airline from offering a price reduction if the passenger waives the cabin bag. This will put an end to abnormal practices, such as (just one example) Condor charging extra for a cabin bag on long-haul flights like Frankfurt (Germany)–Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic)–Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic)–Frankfurt. - Free correction of a passenger’s name if requested 48 hours before departure. Note: This can’t be used to replace one passenger with another—just to correct a typo, e.g., Dupont instead of Dpont. - Airlines’ websites and apps must include information on how to file a claim.
It’s clear that, despite a few details, these changes are very positive for upholding passenger rights. It remains to be seen whether this text will be definitively adopted on July 7, 2026, as is very likely, and, more importantly, whether IATA will encourage airlines to loyally respect these new rules or persist in their old habits.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
I’m planning a trip to Georgia this summer and I’ve been comparing some airlines. I’m not particularly set on flying with Pegasus (though it’s convenient with direct flights from Lyon to Tbilisi), but right off the bat, Pegasus states this:
As of January 1, 2026, all foreign nationals traveling to Georgia for tourism purposes will be required to present valid travel health insurance. Guests who fail to provide the relevant health insurance will not be accepted on our flights to Georgia. Sincerely, Pegasus Airlines
In other words, if you don’t show proof of travel health insurance, you’ll be denied boarding. Personally, my credit card insurance has always been enough for me, and I’d rather not take out extra coverage... Have any of you run into this issue before? If not, what do you think? Why is Pegasus asking for this proof? Other airlines don’t mention it at all.
Hi,
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
I bought my flight ticket with my first (usual) first name, which appears first on my passport. However, I have two first names on my passport, and of course, it’s mentioned in the machine-readable zone at the bottom.
I booked with Turkish Airlines (through an online agency) for a trip to South Korea.
I wanted to know if it would be a problem that I only used my first first name on the ticket, while my passport has two. I had requested through the agency to add the second first name, but the airline refused because it doesn’t meet their general conditions. (They must have seen that the last name and first name were the same, and only the second first name was added.)
So, my ticket has my last name and first first name correctly spelled, and when I check in online, I’ll enter the passport details correctly.
I’ll have a layover in Istanbul on the flight.
Thanks in advance for your replies. Have a great day.
Hi there,
I traveled in June 2025 with Nouvelair Destinations to Hammamet.
I had one checked bag and one carry-on sized 40x24x30, which I usually take on low-cost flights, and I didn’t have any issues. But I just read on a website that Nouvel Air only accepts carry-ons of 40x20x15. I’m flying back to Djerba in June—what do you think? Especially since that size is impossible to find??????? Thanks
Hi, it's my first time taking a plane and I chose EasyJet for a Geneva -> Barcelona flight.
I booked my ticket.
I received my booking reference by email, but I don’t see the actual ticket (barcode or QR code?).
Then I checked in to get the boarding pass with the flight details, QR code, etc. But does this boarding pass act as the ticket?
Because I’ve seen several times online that the flight ticket and the boarding pass aren’t the same thing.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
We're leaving for Albania on June 18th. When I validated the flight tickets with Wizz Air on Booking, I only put my son's first name but forgot to include his other three first names on the ticket. On the passport: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAMES: toto titi tutu tata On the flight ticket: SURNAME: Dupont, FIRST NAME: toto I can't seem to reach anyone at Wizz Air to get an answer. Booking and Wizz Air's chat say I need to modify it, but ChatGPT says it should be fine. I wanted to know if he can fly like this or if I need to change his ticket? (It costs 140 €, I know I shouldn't have made a mistake🙁)
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
A pretty serious issue has come up in the past few weeks for traveling to Tanzania.
What’s the deal with airlines in Tanzania? https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/ce-pays-est-tres-touristique-mais-ses-compagnies-aeriennes-sont-placees-sur-liste-noire-par-l-europe-1515325 https://www.charentelibre.fr/tourisme/la-tanzanie-sur-liste-noire-de-l-europe-des-vols-interieurs-a-haut-risque-pour-100-000-touristes-francais-25002566.php
Basically, all airlines have been blacklisted because they don’t meet European safety standards. They’re banned from flying in Europe but continue operating in Tanzania. The main issue is that travel agencies’ civil liability no longer applies to blacklisted airlines. So we can’t allow clients to fly with these carriers. Of course, there’s huge pressure from European agencies, which are forced to disrupt their plans or even cancel trips because of this. Personally, I’ve got a trip planned for February 2026 to the southern parks in Tanzania, so I’ll be keeping an eye on how this develops. Do any of you have updates? Thanks!
Loïc
Hi,
Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Right now, with the war raging in Iran and affecting all the neighboring countries of the Persian Gulf, many airports are completely closed to all traffic.
Several airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, and others have almost completely halted their operations.
Whether in the Middle East or Africa, many travelers are stranded—maybe for a long time... A heartfelt thought for them and the struggles this will cause.
Four months ago, I was in Kenya with a flight booked through Qatar Airways... I can’t even imagine how I’d react if I were stuck there now. ??
Wishing all these travelers courage, patience, and success in making it back home.
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Doha Airport on October 21, 2025:

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Hello, some (potentially) good news for Brazil lovers—GOL airline is launching a route to Europe from Rio, starting in September for Lisbon, then Paris at a later date that hasn’t been announced yet.
They’ll be using their new A330-900 neo.
No prices have been announced so far, but hopefully we’ll find direct flights from GIG at a more interesting fare than AF or Latam…
Hello,
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
I’m really surprised because in TUI’s new tour packages, the airlines they’re using are of low quality. Before, they used to prioritize major airlines, but now it’s small airlines from small countries—companies with terrible ratings and borderline safety concerns. I even just noticed this note for a Tanzania trip: "We inform you that the domestic flight segment in Tanzania included in your trip is operated by an airline listed on the European Union’s list of air carriers subject to an operating ban within the European Union. This ban only applies to European Union airspace, meaning this airline is not permitted to take off, land, or fly over European airspace. However, this airline is authorized to operate in Tanzania."
This means they’re using airlines on the blacklist!! It’s pretty worrying for safety. What do you all think?
Hello,
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
We’re planning a cruise to the UAE/QATAR/OMAN starting from DUBAI, with flights departing from Paris CDG. Which airlines would you recommend for round-trip flights, with or without a layover? We need assistance for check-in and boarding/disembarking (my husband is a mobility-impaired traveler who uses a cane and/or a walker). We’ve done a cruise return from Dubai to Paris CDG before in 2016, with a layover in Istanbul, but we booked the transfer and return flight with COSTA. For our current plan, it would be with Celestyal, which doesn’t offer round-trip flights from Paris to Dubai. Should we book very far in advance, or is a few months before departure enough (4/6 months)? We’re thinking of arriving the day before the ship departs, so we’d need to stay overnight in Dubai—either on the way there or for the return flight, depending on the flight schedules. Could you recommend a hotel not too far from the airport, and how to get to the port from the airport?
Thanks so much for your advice. Have a great Sunday! Mum49
Hi,
It's all in the title—this means nothing's getting through, so no more oil.
In Europe, kerosene reserves are still good, but by the end of April, flights will have to be reduced.
European airports fear running out of kerosene if the Strait of Hormuz isn’t reopened within three weeks
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Bluff or not? Stay tuned....
Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
I’m reaching out to ask for your help with a bit of a problem:
I booked a flight to Berlin from Orly for April 15th—it’s coming up fast. But I just made an annoying discovery: my passport expired two weeks ago.
From what I understand, in principle, I can still travel within the Schengen Zone with an expired passport as long as it’s been less than five years. However, EasyJet’s website explicitly requires a valid ID (and just to add to the fun, my national ID card has been expired for a while now).
So, I’d love to know: how strict are EasyJet’s ID checks? Do they enforce validity rules strictly and refuse boarding if the ID isn’t valid? Or is it more of a luck-of-the-draw situation?
Basically, should I just write off this trip now, or should I still try my luck—maybe with a little tearful plea? Has anyone here had a similar experience? I can’t be the only one, right!
Hi there!
Has anyone taken the direct flight from CDG to Las Vegas with Air France?
Looking forward to your feedback!
Hey everyone,
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
I booked a flight with RyanAir for next month, with the priority+ option and two cabin bags. So I can take a 10 kg bag with dimensions 55x40x20 in the cabin (plus another smaller one). The problem is that the smallest suitcase I have (which is supposed to be designed specifically for cabin size standards, according to the manual) has the following dimensions: 55x37x21, so it's just 1 cm over (wheels included) on one of the measurements.
I wasn’t too worried at first, but I’ve read dozens of stories about people’s misadventures and the hassles they’ve had with RyanAir.
Since I don’t want my suitcase to end up in the hold (that would waste time picking it up when I’m already arriving late and need to get to the city center), nor do I want to pay an extra fee (apparently 50 €) for the outbound and return flights for just 1 centimeter—especially since I paid for the "priority+" option and I’m not exactly rolling in money—I’d love some advice.
Have any of you been in the same situation? I’ve read that with this airline, they check bags in templates (testing them in different positions) and are completely uncompromising. I tried contacting customer service, who, as luck would have it, "don’t handle this kind of request," and a rep I spoke to wasn’t much help.
I know it’s a low-cost airline, and I don’t expect luxury or even kindness, but come on—just 1 cm on a short flight with the + option... I’m a bit overwhelmed by everything I’ve read...
Just to clarify, since I’m going for 8 days, I can’t just take one bag for my stuff. I’ve done that for shorter trips before, and it was a hassle—I even had to buy an extra bag for the return trip... Luckily, the inspector was nice about it!
Thanks so much! I’m a newbie when it comes to air travel :) Hope I posted this in the right section!
Hi there,
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
Hi there,
I’d like to return to Uzbekistan next April for 10 days with my husband to visit our son who lives there. We went last July and I bought the flight tickets (direct flight from Paris on Uzbekistan Airways) about 2 months in advance at very reasonable prices. I’ve been checking for late April for a few weeks now, and the tickets are much more expensive and keep rising. I can’t figure out if the prices are going up because it’s still a bit too early to buy and they’ll likely drop if the planes aren’t full, or if it’s because the period is actually in high demand. For reference, last year I bought my son’s ticket on May 30th for a departure on June 3rd—just 3 days later—at a very low price that didn’t budge at all.
Just in case, does anyone know the pricing trends for this airline and can advise me? Should I wait or not?
Thanks, and feel free to ask if you need any tips about the country!
My wife bought a flight ticket (Lucky Air) under her Thai maiden name and was issued a Chinese visa on her new Thai passport but with her French married name (due to administrative requirements). She was denied boarding by the airline in Bangkok for the flight to Kunming—resulting in the loss of our round-trip flight tickets, including mine since we were traveling together—despite presenting both passports at the airline counter at the same time.
Hi there.
I’m planning a trip to Chile, and the fares from the Colombian airline Avianca are really appealing.
Way cheaper than Air France, for example.
That said, the reviews I’ve seen online aren’t great.
What do you think of this airline?
Have any of you taken long-haul flights with Avianca?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Eric
Hi there,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
This might be a silly question, but I’m traveling to Japan from CDG and returning via Osaka with EVA Air, and I have a pretty bulky aluminum knee brace. It’s this model: https://enovis-medtech.eu/fr_FR/OA-FullForce-74358.html
Has anyone had any experience with airport security checks or flying with one of these?
Thanks in advance! Best regards,
Hi there,
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry
I can't seem to find flights between the Cape Verde islands on the airline's website. No matter the date or route, I always get the same response: "no flights on this date." See the photo. Would anyone have an explanation? Surely not all flights are fully booked in July?
Best, Thierry