Petite réflexion que je me suis fait en lisant un article récemment et sute à une conversation avec deux amis.
L'article en question parlait d'André Brugiroux un homme ayant passé une grosse partie de sa vie (50ans) sur les routes et qui à visité tout les pays du monde (du moins ceux officiellement par l'ONU).
J'en parlais avec une amie qui est souvent sur les routes (Asie, Amérique du Nord....) et un autre ui lui se fait des petits week-end, voir une petite journée dans l'Ouest de l'Europe.
Je me demandais donc quand on pouvais dire que l'on avait visité un pays? Nous avions tout les trois une définition différente:
- Il faut y séjourner un certains temps, au moins une semaine.
- il faut visiter le pays
- le simple fait de voir la même plage bondé de touristes étranger même pendant plusieurs jours n'est pas considéré comme ayant visité.
- il faut partager la vie des gens du cru. Donc exit les lieu touristique, les club Med...
- le fait de traverser et voir le paysage du pays est suffisant. Donc quand on traverse par exemple la Belgique pour allez aux Pays-Bas sans s'arrêter serait considéré comme ayant voyagé en Belgique?
-....... (plein d'autre explications)
Bref voici un peu les différentes pistes de réflexion que l'on a eu. Mais toute ne sont pas forcément bonnes, ou fausses. Probablement chacun à sa vision du voyage.
Alors pour vous, quand est-ce que vous considéré que vous avez voyagez dans un pays. Que vous rayer le pays de votre "To Do List"???
"Plus son objectif est grand plus il est simple à atteindre. Moi mon objectif c'est un continent; l'Afrique..."
Peut-être dit-on plus facilement "je suis allé-e à" ?
Et on ne va pas seulement dans des pays. On va aussi dans des villes, des régions.
Et on visite des sites, des musées. Et on rend visite à des amis, aussi !
Le point sur lequel nous serons sans doute nombreux à être d'accord, c'est de bannir l'expression "faire un pays" !
Mais en même temps, certains considèrent qu'ils "font un pays" dès lors qu'ils y ont mis les pieds... Ils diront au même titre qu'ils ont "visité" ce pays.
Voilà l'expression (que je déteste !) qui collerait bien à une "to do list"... .."ça, c'est fait"... et ce ne serait donc plus à faire ? 😕
Bonjour Natombi, ta question mériterait pour un développement complet un livre de plusieurs centaines de pages. Derrière cette interrogation se cache, entre autre pour les pressés, la boulimie de nos sociétés de consommation. Effectivement, pour ceux-la le voyage est lié au rendement à tout prix de l'utilisation du temps. On astique les guides, si possible on en prend plusieurs et on fonce. Alors est-ce que la connaissance du pays est-elle liée statistiquement au nombre de pages du guide que l'on peut rayer?
La France pourtant je m'y suis baladé et je ne peux pas dire que je la connais. Le voyage est de plus caractéristique des envies de chacun. Certains pays que j'ai traversés à vélo et que par la suite j'ai visités en prenant une voiture, bien évidement cela a entrainé des voyages très différents et j'aurais presque l'impression d'avoir vu des pays différents. Mais en aucun cas je ne peux dire que je les connais.
Le vélo donne un angle particulier au voyage. Par exemple des pays réputés très touristiques comme la Thaïlande et bien à vélo tu traverses de villes assez importantes dont personne ne parle des les guides et tu y rencontres des ambiances très différentes de celle éprouvée dans les villes vantées par tous les guides. Donc se faire une idée d'un pays reste très relatif. Il m'est arrivé de visiter des pays sans voir aucun des "crux", pourtant en y restant un certain temps, et certaines personnes avaient du mal à me croire que j'étais allé dans ce pays sans en connaître les incontournables. J'y suis bien allé mais est-ce que je les connais moins que d'autres ces pays que j'ai traversés selon mon inspiration un peu au hasard de la route ? Pour raisons professionnelles j'ai "visité" des pays en temps de guerre encore un angle différent. A mon sens, la vraie question: que recherche-t-on dans le voyage? Chacun sa réponse très personnelle. Plutôt nature, plutôt culture...
Donc en conclusion je ne raye jamais un pays d'une " to do list", que d'ailleurs je n'ai jamais tenue.😉
J'arrête là, bonne journée Luc
Bonjour,
Je pense également qu'on peut élargir le débat aux villes et aux régions, pas seulement aux contrées lointaines.
À mon sens, dire que l'on a visité un endroit ne signifie pas qu'on le connaît.
Connaître nécessite du temps. Il faut y avoir traversé les saisons pour comprendre les différentes habitudes de vie au fil de l'année, l'avoir vu en période de vacances scolaires puis une fois déserté par les touristes, reconnaître la luminosité selon le temps qu'il fait, ressentir l'atmosphère…
Visiter est plus éphémère : c'est observer l'architecture, le paysage, les gens auxquels on a affaire, la flore et la faune, etc. Le visiteur n'est pas acteur, il se tient en retrait sans réellement participer mais il a observé avec suffisamment d'attention pour être capable de dire s'il veut y retourner ou pas, selon le degré de satisfaction qu'il en a eu. C'est peut-être là qu'intervient cette fameuse « to do list » ?
- il faut partager la vie des gens du cru. Donc exit les lieu touristique, les club Med...
Celle-là c'est ma préférée... Il y a aussi des parisiens à la Tour Eiffel (je sais pas, une famille parisienne qui va faire découvrir un lieu typique à leurs enfants pour la première fois), j’imagine qu'il doit y avoir des Thai qui vont au Wat Po pour prier aussi. L'Angkor Wat est encore en activité et les khmers sont nombreux à s'y rendre. Central Park est un lieu prisé des New Yorkais et un lieu touristique aussi ...
Bon je vous accorde qu'on les trouve plus difficilement au Club Med et je dois reconnaitre que je préfère passer le moins de temps possible dans les endroits très/trop touristique. Mais de là à la bannir. Ca rejoins la discussion sur les incontournables ...
- il faut partager la vie des gens du cru. Donc exit les lieu touristique, les club Med...
Celle-là c'est ma préférée... Il y a aussi des parisiens à la Tour Eiffel (je sais pas, une famille parisienne qui va faire découvrir un lieu typique à leurs enfants pour la première fois), j’imagine qu'il doit y avoir des Thai qui vont au Wat Po pour prier aussi. L'Angkor Wat est encore en activité et les khmers sont nombreux à s'y rendre. Central Park est un lieu prisé des New Yorkais et un lieu touristique aussi ...
Bon je vous accorde qu'on les trouve plus difficilement au Club Med et je dois reconnaitre que je préfère passer le moins de temps possible dans les endroits très/trop touristique. Mais de là à la bannir. Ca rejoins la discussion sur les incontournables ...
Pour incroyable que cela puisse paraitre, les gens du cru ont aussi une vie dans les endroits touristiques. Ils mangent, se déplacent, vont faire leurs courses au supermarché. très instructifs les supermarchés des habitudes des gens "du cru", alimentaires et autres.
Deplus dans les endroits touristiques, on a plus de chance de trouver des indigènes qui maitrisent l'anglais. car j'ai toujours un peu de mal à croire aux échanges enrichissants sans aucun langage commun, au delà des sourires des premières minutes...
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
Alors pour vous, quand est-ce que vous considérez que vous avez voyagé dans un pays.
Que vous rayez le pays de votre "To Do List"???
Réponse : JAMAIS !🙂
Concernant les touristes qui dans l’esprit de certains, sont des personnes qui ne peuvent en aucun cas se comparer aux "vrais voyageurs", car telles des abeilles butinant de fleur en fleur, ils ne feraient que "survoler" de manière superficielle les régions qu’ils traversent, j’aimerais faire la remarque suivante :
N’ayant malheureusement pas eu jusqu’à présent et à mon grand regret, l’occasion de voyager durant de longues périodes pour chacun de mes pourtant nombreux voyages (parfois plusieurs fois au sein d’un même pays, afin d’en découvrir des régions différentes) et tout comme un grand nombre de personnes voyageant de la même manière que la mienne, je ne mériterais donc d’après la définition de certains, que du qualificatif (écrit parfois de manière assez péjorative) de… simple touriste ! 🤪
Or, j’ai souvent eu l’occasion de rencontrer au cours de mes voyages, des habitants me dire avec beaucoup d’étonnement et parfois même presque, avec une pointe d’envie :
"Vous connaissez notre pays bien plus que nous ?!" 😮
Ces personnes étaient soit des personnes qui n’avaient malheureusement pas les moyens (ou le temps) de voyager au sein de leur propre pays, et qui donc n’en connaissaient qu’une infime partie.
Soit des personnes qui comme je l’ai d’ailleurs fait moi-même durant plusieurs années, voyageaient en donnant la priorité aux pays lointains, avant de se mettre à réellement découvrir le leur !
Ces paroles entendues à plusieurs reprises, tendraient donc à prouver qu’un "simple" touriste peut cependant beaucoup plus souvent qu’on ne le pense... connaître beaucoup mieux un pays, une province ou une région donnée du point de vue des paysages, des lieux de visites et/ou des mentalités différentes des habitants (même si cela est souvent entreprit de manière plus ou moins superficielle par manque évident de temps)
que les propres habitants de ce pays ?! 😉
C'est quoi ? Un 'gens du cru' ou un 'simple touriste' ? 😛
Moi je dirais… un "simple touriste" essayant de très difficilement juguler un incroyable trop plein d’émotions véritablement incontrôlables, devant l’extraordinaire intelligence 😇 que peut développer un clébard désoeuvré errant de rubrique en rubrique ! 😉 Wouaf… wouaf… wouaf (histoire d'imiter le langage des cabots) 😏😏😏
Ah, ah, ah ! 😏
Faudra penser à vite remettre des glaçons dans la poche, avant que le caoutchouc ne fonde !!!!! 😮 😏
C'est vraiment dommage de ne pas avoir mis une vidéo... 😕 on aurait pu alors y voir la queue du chien remuer !
Car c'est bien connu... les chiens contents (de leur bulle) remuent toujours la queue ! 😉 😏😏😏
Je ne raye de mon "to do list" que les endroits à l'intérieur d'un pays que j'ai décidé de visité.
Mon "to do list" est composé d'endroits et non de pays autour du monde.
Donc chacun de nous a un tour du monde pré-destiné en fonction de ses intérêts.
Le plus bel exemple, allé sur mon site et visité mon "Top 10" et visité par la suite "Merveilles à découvrir" et vous aurez une partie de ma "to do list" qui n'est en rien une liste de pays. Finalement nous ne visitons jamais complètement un pays.
Bonjour Natombi,
Voilà encore une drôle de question, une question bateau!
Tu peux dire que tu as visité un pays lorsque tu l'as visité, c'est évident mais bien évidement tu n'es pas obligé de le dire. c'est selon ta volonté.
On ne peut pas dire que l'on a visité un pays. On peut dire qu'on a visité tel ou tel monument ou ville (et encore pas tout).
Quant à connaître un pays il faut y rester des années.
Salut,
En fait, c'est le problème de l'espace et du temps... quelle est la fréquence des pauses qu'on peut s'accorder....entre les déplacements proprement dits.? on est pas tous égaux devant ça selon nos jobs, situations familiales etc... rien que d'être pris entre 2 dates d'un billet A-R... ça devient une parenthèse dans nos vies... je dirais peut-être qu'il y a dans les voyages les + courts, des moments de qualité et d'émotion qui restent bien impressionnés sur lapellicule de nos souvenirs et ça reste parce qu'on est surpris et c'est pas ce qu'on avait prévu.... sinon des bonnes occasions de partage je dirais des manifestations plus réservées aux locaux... je dirais Carnaval au Cap-Vert plutôt que Carnaval de Rio et aussi partager des activités de la vie quotidienne quand ça peut se faire naturellement.... moi, par exemple avec ma connaissance du bois j'ai eu l'impression qquefois d'avoir un passeport commun avec qques-uns et si après tout ça peut servir à qquechose qquepart....?
En gros qques beaux moments bien sentis et on a pas besoin de voyager méthodiquement... bonjour l'ennui , mais ça peut correspondre à des personnes... ne soyons pas élitistes... merci d'avoir lancer le débat...
Bien à vous,
Bonjour Natombi et tous les autres.
Premiere chose, je n'accepterais de poursuivre cette conversation qu'autour d'une (ou plusieurs si on est nombreux) bonne bouteille de vieux bourgogne, ma preférence pour un Morey st Denis 93....
Pour mettre de l'eau ( beurk) au moulin, j'aménerais une réflexion : En fait la question même est ambigüe, j'oserais dire pernicieuse ... Je m'explique: la question sous-entendue est quand CONNAiT- on véritablement un pays !?
Et là ma réponse rejoint les autres : Jamais ....
Par contre quand visite-on un pays, ben là, à partir du moment oú tu franchis sa frontière, tu le visite, pour une heure, une semaine ou une vie ...
Pour ma part, et je concluerais cette réflexion sublimement inutile, je préfère dire : Découvrir un pays, une ville, une région. Parce que la découverte a un avantage, c'elle qu'elle ne se tarit jamais ....
J'en finirait enfin par ma signature emprunté à Mr Marcel Prout : On ne voyage pas pour découvrir de nouveaux paysages mais pour avoir de nouveaux yeux.
Merci à vous tous, je regoûterais bien de ce petit 93 bien sympathique ...
Bruno
"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux."
Marcel Proust
je pense qu'on pourrait s'en tenir à la conclusion de Bruno simple et généreuse, comme semble t'il le cru 93 auquel il nous a associé.... virtuellement...
Patrick
quand on a tellement aimé ce pays qu'on a décide de s'y installer....
J'adhère!
Pas moi, puisqu'on peut aussi après ce premier coup de foudre et après une vie commune prolongée, décider que décidément, non , c'est pas si bien que ça...alors on rentre, mais là, on le connait bien le pays...😉
Ou pire, on décide de rester parce qu'on ne veut pas s'avouer qu'on s'est trompé...🤪
Ou encore pire, on ne peut plus rentrer puisqu'on a envoyé péter tout le monde avant de partir histoire de bien mettre les pendules à l'heure.😏
Ou bien pire, on se rend compte qu'on l'adore toujours ce pays, mais à force de le connaître, on se rend compte que c'est lui qui ne vous aime pas.😕
Bref, déjà que je ne connais pas bien mon propre pays, quand donc pourrais-je décider que j'en connais bien un autre ?
Erwan
La vie est belle ! La vie est belle ! Je me tue à vous le dire disait la fleur. Et elle meurt ( J.Prévert)
Connaître un pays , pour moi c'est avant tout avoir saisi son fonctionnement: la mentalité des gens(villes ou brousse/campagnes), son histoire passée et actuelle tant sur plan historique, politique etc, donc forcément y avoir résidé un certain temps .
Le reste, les endroits, paysages tout ça , bah c'est de la visite et on ne connait jamais tout ou alors il faut avoir de longues vacances , ou avoir un job qui permette du temps libre , ce qui court pas les rues. Ou "courir" à droite à gauche, avec son appareil photo et pas rater le bus ou le train.
J'ai l'impression que vivre ou connaitre un pays est comme interdit pour un étranger:
- Les touristes n'y connaissent rien puisqu'ils ne font que le traverser
- Les expatriés restent entre eux (un peu comme les immigrés d'ailleurs) et au bout de quelques années ils deviennent racistes envers la population locale. De toute façon les différences culturelles sont trop importantes donc pas possible de comprendre un local
Après, il faut définir ce que signifie connaitre un pays. S'il faut y être nécessairement né et y avoir grandi c'est excessivement restrictif.
Je vous donne un contre exemple: au Myanmar, l'un des plus fins connaisseurs de la langue (sa grammaire, son vocabulaire etc.) est anglais: John Okell. De l'avis de beaucoup de professeurs locaux rencontrés au Myanmar il reste une référence dans la transcription et la compréhension de cette langue. Il le parle d'ailleurs aussi bien voir mieux que beaucoup de birmans (toujours selon les professeurs locaux rencontrés). Peut-être fallait-il un esprit logique et organisé pour mettre de l'ordre dans ce bazar!
Chacun a son niveau de connaissance sur tel ou tel pays et sur tel ou tel point précis. Après il y a ceux qui pensent tout savoir sur tout, là effectivement c'est plus problématique!
Bien que globalement d'accord avec ton assez pertinente analyse, j'aimerais tout de même y apporter quelques petites remarques personnelles...
Les touristes n'y connaissent rien puisqu'ils ne font que le traverser
Oui et non ! 🙂
Car si l'on ne se réfère qu'à un strict point de vue découverte de paysages, de sites et de lieux de visites (musées, expos, manifestations culturelles, etc.) parfois même aussi (bien que cela soit un peu plus difficile à cerner) aux différentes mentalités qui peuvent exister en des régions différentes au sein d'un même pays...
Je pense que les touristes possédant un esprit réellement curieux, peuvent parfois et aussi étrange que cela puisse paraître, beaucoup mieux connaître les choses que certains habitants qui n'ont pas eu l'envie
(les moyens ou le temps) de parcourir d'autres régions que celle où ils sont nés, où ils ont vécus et vont très probablement mourir ?!
Et ces habitants-là sont crois-moi, beaucoup plus nombreux que l'on pourrait se l'imaginer ! 😉
Les expatriés restent entre eux (un peu comme les immigrés d'ailleurs)
Là, je suis à 200% d'accord avec toi !
Partout où je suis passé, j'ai très souvent constaté que les expats semblaient (et dans une très écrasante majorité des cas) ne vivre qu'entre eux ! 😮
Se regroupant d'ailleurs assez souvent dans ce qui peut ressembler à des sortes de "ghettos" (appelés pudiquement des "quartiers") comprenant habitations, boutiques, restaurants, médecins, écoles, etc. ?! 😕
Certaines "communautés" (comme elles se définissent d'ailleurs elles-mêmes) possédant parfois même jusqu'à leur propre radio ou journal local, émise ou diffusé dans leur langue d'origine !
et au bout de quelques années ils deviennent racistes envers la population locale. De toute façon les différences culturelles sont trop importantes donc pas possible de comprendre un local
Je ne le nie pas entièrement, mais pense tout de même que cela ne doit pas du tout concerner TOUS
les expatriés ! 😉
Après, il faut définir ce que signifie connaitre un pays. S'il faut y être nécessairement né et y avoir grandi c'est excessivement restrictif.
Tout à fait d'accord !
Chacun a son niveau de connaissance sur tel ou tel pays et sur tel ou tel point précis.
Toujours d'accord avec toi !
Après il y a ceux qui pensent tout savoir sur tout, là effectivement c'est plus problématique!
Cela existe effectivement, et ces personnes-là sont tout aussi dangereuses (sinon plus) que celles qui par exemple... se permettent parfois de juger autrui, sans ne strictement rien connaître des personnes qu'elles osent effrontément mettre en cause, via de pitoyables tout autant qu'odieux sarcasmes. 🤪
Pensant même naïvement de surcroît... le faire en toute impunité ?! 😇
De telles (heureusement rares) personnes existent malheureusement sur ce forum, et elles se reconnaîtront donc sûrement ! 😉
- le simple fait de voir la même plage bondé de touristes étranger même pendant plusieurs jours n'est pas considéré comme ayant visité.
- il faut partager la vie des gens du cru. Donc exit les lieu touristique, les club Med...
ça c'est une preuve de snobisme bien français agaçant voire énervant....
rester sur une plage bondée que ça soit à la Baule, à Phuket ça peut être intéressant d'étudier ce qui motive une société , un milieu social....
de toute façon on est dans l'ère du tourisme de masse c'est pas nouveau.
As-tu été au fin fond de la jungle dans la boue et les insectes pour échapper à la civilisation alors ?
J'ai l'impression que vivre ou connaitre un pays est comme interdit pour un étranger:
- Les touristes n'y connaissent rien puisqu'ils ne font que le traverser
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"connaitre" un pays c'est un long travail....ce que j'écris c'est une banalité évidemment
Déjà il faut parler la langue du pays parce que la langue parlée c'est un vecteur de communication essentiel.
Ensuite si tu parles une langue de manière "standard" tu n'as pas accès au langage familier/populaire et ce registre de langue est destiné à faire simple ; cela signfie que si tu utilises une langue familière tu vas décrire quelque chose de manière très directe ( à opposer à la "langue de bois" des élites...)
Ensuite il n'y a pas que la langue il y a bien évidemment les cultures locales à comprendre;
en Afrique ou en Asie c'est pas du tout les mêmes réflexes culturels que en Europe
La culture du Mali ou du Cambodge il faudrait écrire des livres dessus..
la culture des USA ça tient sur 2 pages non je rigole évidemment ( y'en a qui vont pas être contents ) 😛
Quand a-t-on visité un pays ? Vaste question , ça dépend qui et ça dépend quel pays , et ce qu'on entend par là .
Pour un petit pays comme la Lituanie ou la Belgique, par exemple, pour quelqu'un qui circule , loge chez l'habitant , regarde de tous ses yeux , observe , écoute, échange, ....en une dizaine de jours , il a déjà un bon aperçu de ce pays . J'ai bien dit"aperçu ".
Connaître un pays ? Bah , je dirais , jamais . Le mien est petit , chaque année je prends la peine de visiter deux ou trois villes ou villages que je ne connais pas encore , et il en reste . De plus , tout change tout le temps . Donc , tout connaître , jamais . On ne se connaît déjà pas complètement en une seule vie , alors un pays ...
On peut aussi , comme cela a été dit , aborder des régions ou des villes .
Et puis , il y a l'intensité du contact . On peut visiter tout et ne rien voir .
On peut aborder une seule ville et en revenir transformé .
On peut faire une rencontre ( personne , culture , mentalité , façon de vivre ) décisive pour la suite de notre vie .
Et surtout , on aime ou on n'aime pas voyager . Si on aime , pas besoin de raison , on aime et on y va car on aime découvrir et puis c'est tout .
"La vie est un voyage qui se vit au présent ou jamais ...."
On ne peut pas dire que l'on a visité un pays. On peut dire qu'on a visité tel ou tel monument ou ville (et encore pas tout).
Quant à connaître un pays il faut y rester des années.
Bonjour,
Entièrement d'accord. Et qu'on a vu, connu et approché plus ou moins des gens, sauf si on travaille assez longtemps dans un pays.
Mais aussi "Loin des yeux, loin du cœur."Sauf si On se souvient de vous, moi c'est le cas avec un amie connue au Cameroun qui y vit encore, on s'est écrit plusieurs fois et elle m'a écrit en fin d'année 2014.Grand bonheur de longue amitié vraie. Toute simple et sincère de la part de chacune de nous deux.
André Brugiroux dit bien dans une interview assez récente que le Monde a changé depuis ses premiers voyages en stop et qu'il n'imaginait absolument pas quand il est parti la première fois, jeune, après la guerre , que sa vie serait ainsi.
Même en France ou autour de nous, pouvons-nous dire chacun et chacune que nous connaissons bien toute la France et tous les gens?
Nous les humains sommes différent-e-s, par nos histoires de vies, ce n'est pas une question de nationalités... ni d'origines.
Dés que je reviens en France, et bien je me dis "que c'est mieux-ailleurs". Là où nous sommes allés, je ressens une espèce de legèreté de vivre, moins…
Birmanie Myanmar il est trop tard pour y aller... C'est la lecture de quelques blogs et témoignages qui me font réagir Je n'en peux plus et je souffre de lire…
On trouve en Asie une grande quantité de peuples dont les origines et les liens de parenté ne sont souvent pas évidents. La confusion est d’autant plus grande…
À lire les commentaires et récits de voyage, plusieurs touristes déclarent vouloir (ou avoir) visiter le « vrai (visage) » de tel pays. Cette utilisation…
Hello everyone on this forum!
I know in advance that what I'm about to say here won't please everyone, but honesty is a virtue, isn't it?
Here's the thing: for many years now, I've noticed a habit in French-speaking posts of using abbreviations left and right, as if to show that we're "in the know." Let me explain with a few examples:
- - In discussions about Peru, I see "Aguas" for "Aguas Calientes." And if it's Mexico, well, it'll be "Aguas" for "Aguascalientes"!
- - For Guatemala, "travelers" will say "Guaté." Come on, saying "Guatemalas" would maybe be the undeniable sign that you know nothing about the country???
- - Back from Indonesia, many will talk about how familiar they've become with the country's language: "bahasa." Of course, everyone will know what you're talking about, but it still gets on my nerves because the language (one of the many languages) of Indonesia is "bahasa Indonesia." "Bahasa" actually means "language," and you'll find this word of Indian origin ‘Bhāṣā’ (it's Sanskrit originally) outside Indonesia too: in Thailand, for example, any language will be "phasa" as in "phasa thai" (official Thai), "phasa isan" (what's spoken in northeastern Thailand), "phasa angkrit" = English, etc.
Am I an incorrigible nitpicker? Maybe. But I'd also find it ridiculous if a foreigner came and told me they visited "Monte" during their trip to France, when it was actually Monte Carlo.
I read a lot in English and don't think I've encountered such a habit among English speakers.
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines?
For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL.
THANKS GUYS
This is my 15,000th post, and it's a message I would have preferred never to write.
Patrick—Yangguizi—won’t be returning from his trek in Uganda. His health betrayed him in the mountains.
Like many of you, I laughed until I couldn’t anymore at his travel stories. I met him in Shanghai, then in Istanbul... We scoured restaurants—he was an incredible expert on world cuisines. We relived Korea, China. Always brilliant, so sharp, so funny, so down-to-earth. Being even a little bit his friend was something to be proud of. I think I envied him.
Patrick is still out there, of course...
He found his happiness running across the world. He’s on his path. He never doubted that "the traveler doesn’t even know if he’ll return one day."
Not sure this would’ve suited him, but his departure devastates me.
Alright,
Farewell, you foreign devil. Safe travels.
hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.")
Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either.
But here’s the thing—I had photos...
So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand.
It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years.
For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not...
It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.)
Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate.
And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries.
Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story.
Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023.
This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers.
As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart.
Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library.
I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott.
After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel.
My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*.
This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year!
This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others?
What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille?
Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit?
Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana?
Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate?
Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed.
Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project.
A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question.
They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕
Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.).
Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did.
I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights
Sidemen (2 nights)
Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights
Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed
Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran
Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights
Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD:
- Walk around central Ubud (1–2h)
- Campuhan Ridge Walk
- Tegalalang Rice Terrace
- Tirta Empul
- Gunung Kawi
- Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN:
- Rice terrace hike (2–3h)
- Cooking class
IN AMED:
- Snorkeling
- Japanese Shipwreck
- Beach + relaxation
- Volcano sunset
ON GILI:
- Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK:
- Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall
- Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level)
- Ulun Danu Bratan Temple
- Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN
- Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well:
👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option
12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM)
1 PM: ferry
3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer
11 PM: start ascent
2 AM–6 AM: volcano
Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM)
👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency
💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR:
- Relaxation
- Quiet beach
- Proximity to airport (30 min)"
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays
where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya).
There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see:
Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees.
We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain.
But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore.
A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night
Coron – 4 nights
Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights
El Nido – 4 nights
Port Barton – 5 nights
Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan
Vigan – 2 nights
Sagada – 2 nights
Banaue – 2 nights
Bagabag – 1 night
Manila – 1 night
I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages.
3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer.
Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness.
My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place.
On the main routes, we visited:
San José
Alajuela
Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side)
Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side)
And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched.
He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown.
What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor.
At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José:
It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken.
On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox.
From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire.
Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets.
Bars with security guards out front.
I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel.
The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses.
The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in.
A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park.
Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further.
We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it.
A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces.
A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures.
But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business.
Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse!
According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable.
Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos.
A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park!
A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park.
The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color.
Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded!
Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30.
The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches.
As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves.
A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!"
For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex!
The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for?
For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places.
In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs:
Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you.
For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example.
For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk.
The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border.
The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times.
Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot).
For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border.
You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes.
From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??).
With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!!
For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations.
However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards.
Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future.
After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think:
1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport),
1 night in Garda,
1 night in Verona,
1 in Padua, and
3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year.
I told her:
“Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.”
“But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.”
I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk.
“Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.”
I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen.
“Mamido, I did it!”
My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no!
“Congratulations, sweetheart!”
A little shyly, she said:
“Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying:
“Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint!
But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out.
Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me.
But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back.
My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special?
That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.