Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
La Chine en délire
by Pampita
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Courageux mais pas téméraire ... Tu as raison, je n'aurais même pas attendu le troisième tour !
😏
Un acte purement égoïste donc .
C'est quoi votre projet au juste ? Faire naitre les enfants dans des éprouvettes et reléguer la sexualité au rang de loisir comme dans le bouquin de A. Huxley :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/...pitres_1_.C3.A0_6.29
Si vous trouvez ça mieux, alors vous n’êtes peut-être pas égoïste ( faudrait quand même vérifier ) mais ça ne vous empêche pas d'avoir des idées pour le moins dangereuses !
En attendant, je vous réitère qu'une voiture, une maison ou n'importe quel objet, ne contiennent pas de matériel génétique. Ni le miens ni celui d'une autre personne. Votre comparaison apparait dès lors comme totalement absurde. En l’occurrence, non un enfant n'est pas une propriété ; c'est un enfant : point.
C'est quoi votre projet au juste ? Faire naitre les enfants dans des éprouvettes et reléguer la sexualité au rang de loisir comme dans le bouquin de A. Huxley :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/...pitres_1_.C3.A0_6.29
Si vous trouvez ça mieux, alors vous n’êtes peut-être pas égoïste ( faudrait quand même vérifier ) mais ça ne vous empêche pas d'avoir des idées pour le moins dangereuses !
En attendant, je vous réitère qu'une voiture, une maison ou n'importe quel objet, ne contiennent pas de matériel génétique. Ni le miens ni celui d'une autre personne. Votre comparaison apparait dès lors comme totalement absurde. En l’occurrence, non un enfant n'est pas une propriété ; c'est un enfant : point.
You own a car, not the road !
reprenons le fil...de la chine en delire:
il y a qq jours, un homme qui convoitait une lace de parking sur la quelle se trouvait une femme et sa petite fille de deux ans dans une poussette, est sorti de sa voituer, s est pris la tete avec la femme et de rage, a jete l enfat sur le sol... voir sur bonjourchine
il y a qq jours, un homme qui convoitait une lace de parking sur la quelle se trouvait une femme et sa petite fille de deux ans dans une poussette, est sorti de sa voituer, s est pris la tete avec la femme et de rage, a jete l enfat sur le sol... voir sur bonjourchine
Quel intérêt ?
Tu veux dresser ici la liste de tous les actes insensés et stupides dont l'"humanité" peut être capable ? ... nous faire prendre conscience de l'état de bêtise abyssale dans lequel évoluent un certain nombre de nos concitoyens du monde ?
Rien de bien nouveau ... si ce n'est qu'aujourd'hui, il y en a que cela distrait ... 😕
Tu veux dresser ici la liste de tous les actes insensés et stupides dont l'"humanité" peut être capable ? ... nous faire prendre conscience de l'état de bêtise abyssale dans lequel évoluent un certain nombre de nos concitoyens du monde ?
Rien de bien nouveau ... si ce n'est qu'aujourd'hui, il y en a que cela distrait ... 😕
What - Me worry ?
" Une vie réussie est un rêve d'adolescent réalisé dans l'âge mûr " (un autre Alfred ...)
Attends, un fait divers pareil peut survenir dans n'importe quel pays.
C'est un "disjonctage" individuel, c'est un détraqué, point barre !
Quel rapport avec la Chine, si ce n'est qu'il survient dans ce pays ?
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Non, mais, la , le topic c est justement de recenser tous les délires de la nouvelle chine...
effectivement , comme tu dis, des détraqués, il en existe dans le monde entier;mais la chine actuelle en produit de solides, insurpassables!
les cause en sont multiples: une société en pleine mutation, une population monstre, un parti omnipotent; un immobilisme politique et social a la limité de la marche arrière, un confucianisme plus tout a fait compris renaissant sur le vide laissé par la révolution culturelle...une perssion incroyable de la réussite a tout prix et un nationalisme exacerbé. Bref, un coctail explosif.
Pour rebondir sur la société chinoise, effectivement assez malade et dont l'évolution future peut parfois paraître inquiétante (nationalisme de plus en plus désinhibé, égocentrisme en progression exponentielle du fait de l'enfant unique, frustrations de plus en plus patentes et pas seulement au niveau politique), un petit article qui n'aborde que l'écume des problèmes mais sur lequel on pourra discuter : http://chine.aujourdhuilemonde.com/en-chine-la-peur-de-la-revanche-sociale
Pour rebondir sur la société chinoise, effectivement assez malade et dont l'évolution future peut parfois paraître inquiétante (nationalisme de plus en plus désinhibé, égocentrisme en progression exponentielle du fait de l'enfant unique, frustrations de plus en plus patentes et pas seulement au niveau politique), un petit article qui n'aborde que l'écume des problèmes mais sur lequel on pourra discuter : http://chine.aujourdhuilemonde.com/en-chine-la-peur-de-la-revanche-sociale
je viens de lire le petit article en question...rien de plus a dire! la situation est aussi simple que cela!
je me rapelle d une histoire tout a fait interessante dont j ai ete temoin, dans le style tabasage policier,
il y a 4 ans déja.
A pékin, un ami chinois m'avait emené faire des photos du chantier du nouvel opera pres du vieux palais.
Un vieux vagabond à la barrbe longue vient mendier pres de nous et essaye a tout prix de se mettre dans le champ photographique de mon pote. Dans un style chinois inimitablement sec il luit dit de passer son chemin. il lui donne meme un billet de 5 mao. Tres vite la stuation s envenime car le vieux lui dit qu il ne veux pas de son argent mais etre sur la photo (il a dit ca d une manietre plus abrupte en realité: "j en veux pas de ton ble pourri, je veux une photo") Donc la situation s'envenime tres vite , a la chinoise et la sauce monte en un instant. un attrouppement se forme. mon pote lui dit de dégager, et le gars lui crache dessus. Mon pote étabt assez balaise, il le chasse en faisant mine de le poursuivre. L'affaire aurait pu en rester la, si des gong an (sorte de policer local. on pourrait le traduire par Force Publique, un peu comme ce qu il y avait au Congo)n'avaient assistés a toute la scène. ils ont poursuivi le gars, l ont forcés a s'agenouiller, l ont tabassé un peu, et puis l ont tiré par les cheveux et sont venu dans notre direction.alors ils l ont mis par terre devant mon pote. il a dit aux policiers de la laisser partir. "C est un pauvre gars, laissez le partir, il s'est deja assez humilié et je ne pense pas que c'est un voleur" Mais visiblement ce n était pas suffisant aux yeux de la Force Publique et de l attroupement , alors les dis flics ont donnés un manche de brosse a mon pote en disant "vas- lave l affront" et...mon pote a tapé...si fort qu il a cassé la manche de brosse en mille morceaux sur le pauvre gars!
tout cela a été d une violence inouïe et n'as pas duré plus de 10 minutes! alors le retour a été un peu particulier. je ne disait rien , avais l air un peu sonné, et mon pote voyait bien que ca me paraissait un peu disproportionné que pour une petite aletercation, un jeune de 23 ans assez balaise a eclaté un baton sur un vieux clodo un peu fou d'une grosse 60 aine. alors le gars m adit"oliwen ca doit te paraitre incroyable, mais c est la chine! tu sais il a outrepassé son rôle social.un vieux fou vagabond a le droit de dire ce qu il veux mais n a pas le droit de s en prendre physiquement a des gens qui lui sont supérieur dans la hiérarchie sociale" C est pour ca que les gars de la force publique sont intervenu.Ca ne me fait pas plaisir mais c est comme ça, et puis j étais obligé de le faire pour ne pas perdre la face et pour que le vieux ne la perde pas non plus" et alors bien sur, comme toujours en chine , ca s'est terminé sur un "mais tu ne peux pas comprendre tu es étranger!"
Alors, je n ai plus rien dit à ce sujet.Quelquesjour plus tard, mon poteest revenu a la charge en disant: "ce que je voulais te dire , c est que même si tu connais bien les chinois et la culture chinoise, comme tu n est pas né chinois danscette chine, tu as peut etre du mal a accepter.
je me rapelle bien de cette histoire car j avais noté ca dans un petit carnet!
et c est vrai que cela peut nous paraitre incroyable et disproportionné mais encore une fois il faut remettre ca dans son contexte.
tout cela a été d une violence inouïe et n'as pas duré plus de 10 minutes! alors le retour a été un peu particulier. je ne disait rien , avais l air un peu sonné, et mon pote voyait bien que ca me paraissait un peu disproportionné que pour une petite aletercation, un jeune de 23 ans assez balaise a eclaté un baton sur un vieux clodo un peu fou d'une grosse 60 aine. alors le gars m adit"oliwen ca doit te paraitre incroyable, mais c est la chine! tu sais il a outrepassé son rôle social.un vieux fou vagabond a le droit de dire ce qu il veux mais n a pas le droit de s en prendre physiquement a des gens qui lui sont supérieur dans la hiérarchie sociale" C est pour ca que les gars de la force publique sont intervenu.Ca ne me fait pas plaisir mais c est comme ça, et puis j étais obligé de le faire pour ne pas perdre la face et pour que le vieux ne la perde pas non plus" et alors bien sur, comme toujours en chine , ca s'est terminé sur un "mais tu ne peux pas comprendre tu es étranger!"
Alors, je n ai plus rien dit à ce sujet.Quelquesjour plus tard, mon poteest revenu a la charge en disant: "ce que je voulais te dire , c est que même si tu connais bien les chinois et la culture chinoise, comme tu n est pas né chinois danscette chine, tu as peut etre du mal a accepter.
je me rapelle bien de cette histoire car j avais noté ca dans un petit carnet!
et c est vrai que cela peut nous paraitre incroyable et disproportionné mais encore une fois il faut remettre ca dans son contexte.
non , c est dans la meme veine que l histoire de la petite fille de foshan...
(une petite fille qui s est fait ecraser par 18 voitures, sous le reagers de 200 personnes et des cameras de surveillance dans une rue de 3 metres de large!, personne n est intervenu, tout le monde personne n as voulu prendre le moindre risque.
en chine c, la derniere personne qui aide un blessé en est legalement responsable et la notion de non assistance a personne ne danger n existe pas. et pis c est l heritage de la dictature a caracteristiques communiste : on ne se mele pas des histoire des autres pour ne pas avoir d ennuis et on ne pose pas de questions"
Dans un style chinois inimitablement sec il luit dit de passer son chemin
guan ? 😎
ca s'est terminé sur un "mais tu ne peux pas comprendre tu es étranger!"
LOL... Qu'est-ce qu'on peut l'entendre cette phrase...🤪
En tout cas, merci pour ce témoignage fort intéressant.
guan ? 😎
ca s'est terminé sur un "mais tu ne peux pas comprendre tu es étranger!"
LOL... Qu'est-ce qu'on peut l'entendre cette phrase...🤪
En tout cas, merci pour ce témoignage fort intéressant.
ca s'est terminé sur un "mais tu ne peux pas comprendre tu es étranger!"
LOL... Qu'est-ce qu'on peut l'entendre cette phrase...🤪ce qyi est surtout rigolo , c est quand c est dit en chinois, dans une discussion entierement en chinois! a mon avis , c est machinal, c est comme le "il n y a pas de pourquoi!
je viens de relire toute la discussion depuis on début...
L'idéal, pour bien "connaitre" la chine, c est d"évoluer dans les différentes sphères du monde chinois à la fois: -venir étudier la langue et la culture -travailler en tant que prof de langue en université chinoise (très important car cela fait partie du "parcours classique" selon la pensée chinoise de l étranger "ami de la chine et de sa culture". le fait d avoir ete dans le milieu universitaire chinois donne une "place" dans la société.) -travailler en entreprise, chinoise ou etrangere (cela aussi donne une place , mais moins legitime qu'en université, toujours selon la pensée chinoise) -voyager selon les 3 manières *a la chinoise (hotel bon marché ou AJ avec les étudiants chiniois) *sac au dos, en AJ *en hôtel classique. cela permet de se confronter a la vision des voyageurs et touristes et aussi et surtout de se confronter a la vision qu on les chinois des touristes.
car, encore une fois, la chine est un pays composé de "mondes" en "cercles" quasi imperméables entre eux. et nous, occidentaux nous avons la faculté de pouvoir justement voyager de l un à l autre, ce que les chinois ne font jamais. en chine, un étudiant aura toujours une vision "étudiante "du monde et ne connaitra que celui la idem pour un paysan, un marchand, un ouvrier etc etc...en Chine , il est très important de "rester dans le moule"
alors bien sur, sur un pays de deux milliards d’habitants on trouvera des exceptions et au premier abord ces exceptions paraitront importante, mais il les ramener au chiffre global: sur deux milliard d habitants, un pour cent représente encore une sacrée masse...pourtant il ne s agit que d un pour cent! un ami chinois me disait un jour : en chine la masse est encore plus masse et l exeption encore plus exceptionnelle.
la discussion sur la chine peut vite devenir sans fin et vite devenir stérile justement car la différence est parfois trop fondamentale pour pouvoir être saisie. d ailleurs , je me rappelle d'une phrase du premier ministre chinois wen jia bao lors des cérémonies d ouvertures des jo à propos des sommes énormes dépensées pour des cérémonies qui aux yeux de beaucoup de chinois ne refletaient pas du tout la culture chinoise actuelle:"il ne s'agit pas ici de refleter la culture chinoise telle que nous, chinois du contient l'entendons, mais de refléter ce que les occidentaux et le monde peuvent comptendre et attendre de cette culture. Si vous ouvrez un restaurant chinois à Londres ou a Paris, vous ne ferez pas la cuisine comme au fin fond du sichuan, vous l adapterez a la vison que votre clientèle aura de la cuisine chinoise: une cuisine cantonaise influencé par HK pour les Britanniques, et une cuisine Sino-Vietnamienne influencée par l Indochine pour les Français."
et finalement, je dirais qu il nya pas une expérience authentique de la chine...toutes les expériences sont authentiques.
il ya qq années je voyageais au Tibet avec un ami chinois. il a cassé son appareil photo, et on a du chercher une piece tres spécifique dans les centres commerciaux de lhassa. des endroits moches comme seul on peut en trouver en chine! a un moment, il me dit AHH, c'est le plus beau moment de ma vie, je suis a lhassa, j en ai toujours revé. je lui dit "mais pi-urqi dis tu cela maintenant, on est surement dans l endoit le plus moche de la ville (une espece de centre commercial en tôles ondulées entourées d'usines dégueulasses) et il me dit "peu importe le décor, ici on est a lhassa, on respire l air de lhassa, c est ca qui est important!"
L'idéal, pour bien "connaitre" la chine, c est d"évoluer dans les différentes sphères du monde chinois à la fois: -venir étudier la langue et la culture -travailler en tant que prof de langue en université chinoise (très important car cela fait partie du "parcours classique" selon la pensée chinoise de l étranger "ami de la chine et de sa culture". le fait d avoir ete dans le milieu universitaire chinois donne une "place" dans la société.) -travailler en entreprise, chinoise ou etrangere (cela aussi donne une place , mais moins legitime qu'en université, toujours selon la pensée chinoise) -voyager selon les 3 manières *a la chinoise (hotel bon marché ou AJ avec les étudiants chiniois) *sac au dos, en AJ *en hôtel classique. cela permet de se confronter a la vision des voyageurs et touristes et aussi et surtout de se confronter a la vision qu on les chinois des touristes.
car, encore une fois, la chine est un pays composé de "mondes" en "cercles" quasi imperméables entre eux. et nous, occidentaux nous avons la faculté de pouvoir justement voyager de l un à l autre, ce que les chinois ne font jamais. en chine, un étudiant aura toujours une vision "étudiante "du monde et ne connaitra que celui la idem pour un paysan, un marchand, un ouvrier etc etc...en Chine , il est très important de "rester dans le moule"
alors bien sur, sur un pays de deux milliards d’habitants on trouvera des exceptions et au premier abord ces exceptions paraitront importante, mais il les ramener au chiffre global: sur deux milliard d habitants, un pour cent représente encore une sacrée masse...pourtant il ne s agit que d un pour cent! un ami chinois me disait un jour : en chine la masse est encore plus masse et l exeption encore plus exceptionnelle.
la discussion sur la chine peut vite devenir sans fin et vite devenir stérile justement car la différence est parfois trop fondamentale pour pouvoir être saisie. d ailleurs , je me rappelle d'une phrase du premier ministre chinois wen jia bao lors des cérémonies d ouvertures des jo à propos des sommes énormes dépensées pour des cérémonies qui aux yeux de beaucoup de chinois ne refletaient pas du tout la culture chinoise actuelle:"il ne s'agit pas ici de refleter la culture chinoise telle que nous, chinois du contient l'entendons, mais de refléter ce que les occidentaux et le monde peuvent comptendre et attendre de cette culture. Si vous ouvrez un restaurant chinois à Londres ou a Paris, vous ne ferez pas la cuisine comme au fin fond du sichuan, vous l adapterez a la vison que votre clientèle aura de la cuisine chinoise: une cuisine cantonaise influencé par HK pour les Britanniques, et une cuisine Sino-Vietnamienne influencée par l Indochine pour les Français."
et finalement, je dirais qu il nya pas une expérience authentique de la chine...toutes les expériences sont authentiques.
il ya qq années je voyageais au Tibet avec un ami chinois. il a cassé son appareil photo, et on a du chercher une piece tres spécifique dans les centres commerciaux de lhassa. des endroits moches comme seul on peut en trouver en chine! a un moment, il me dit AHH, c'est le plus beau moment de ma vie, je suis a lhassa, j en ai toujours revé. je lui dit "mais pi-urqi dis tu cela maintenant, on est surement dans l endoit le plus moche de la ville (une espece de centre commercial en tôles ondulées entourées d'usines dégueulasses) et il me dit "peu importe le décor, ici on est a lhassa, on respire l air de lhassa, c est ca qui est important!"
A l'origine un post pour se divertir de certain délires typiquement chinois qui vire à une espèce de tribune cherchant à imposer une vision d'une altérité absolument unique à la chine.
Alors que je n'y vois que la manifestation de la diversité infinie de l'espèce humaine, le voisin de pallier d'untel peut etre d'une altérité toute aussi flagrante que le plus lointain paysan han.
J'aurais tres bien pu ouvrir un post expliquant que les indonésiens sont un cas unique sur l'air de"tu peux pas comprendre il faut y avoir vécu pour se rendre compte blablabla..."
Ok les chinois ont des spécificités mais quelle culture n'en a pas?
Il y a trois sortes d’hommes : les vivants,
les morts, et ceux qui vont sur la mer.
Aristote (parait il)
Je suppose que tout le monde en a entendu parlé mais, c'est le bon topic pour poster ça : http://weibo.blog.lemonde.fr/2013/08/15/une-fausse-montagne-en-haut-dun-immeuble-de-luxe-a-pekin/#comment-2904
Et
http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/2013/08/16/fregoli-un-zoo-chinois-tente-de-faire-passer-un-chien-pour-un-lion-africain/
oui
d'une chine qui serais un phénomène absolument incomparable avec quoi que ce soit d'autre, un truc sans équivalent dans l'histoire humaine. [/citation
c'est pourtant la réalité!!!
expliqué plus doctement, on dira que tous les facteurs historiques, font que la chine depuis plus de 5000 ans s'est trouvé isolé des grands bouleversements ethnographiques du monde occidental , moyen et proche oriental. Jamais la chine , n a ete envahie par les aryens, les celtes, les huns, les perses , les grecs, les romains. seul les mongols y sont arrives. les causes en sont , sans doutes, l eloignement geographique et l immensité du territoire) le seul "moment "de l histoire ou la chine a été "intergré"c est lors de l, invasion mongole. mais encore une fois elle a "echappé au maelstrom culturel car le grand khan s est installé a dadu(pres de pekin) et a embrassé la culture chinoise et etrangement, cette dynastie "barbare" a donné le seul vrai moment de grandeur de la chine. c'est a ce moment qu elle a vraiment rayonné et que ses inventions sont parties a la conquete du mondeCe moment a pris fin avecles mings et la chine s 'est repliée sur elle meme avec les conséquences que l on sait.
expliqué plus doctement, on dira que tous les facteurs historiques, font que la chine depuis plus de 5000 ans s'est trouvé isolé des grands bouleversements ethnographiques du monde occidental , moyen et proche oriental. Jamais la chine , n a ete envahie par les aryens, les celtes, les huns, les perses , les grecs, les romains. seul les mongols y sont arrives. les causes en sont , sans doutes, l eloignement geographique et l immensité du territoire) le seul "moment "de l histoire ou la chine a été "intergré"c est lors de l, invasion mongole. mais encore une fois elle a "echappé au maelstrom culturel car le grand khan s est installé a dadu(pres de pekin) et a embrassé la culture chinoise et etrangement, cette dynastie "barbare" a donné le seul vrai moment de grandeur de la chine. c'est a ce moment qu elle a vraiment rayonné et que ses inventions sont parties a la conquete du mondeCe moment a pris fin avecles mings et la chine s 'est repliée sur elle meme avec les conséquences que l on sait.
c est a wolfarsen que je reponds en fait!
Je vous propose donc ce fil d'infos et de discussions un peu fourre-tout
J'alimente juste le topic par quelques news, rien d'autre, sans arrière pensée.
Un zoo qui trombe les clients, on peut trouver ça n'importe où et ça représente pas forcément la mentalité chinoise mais, un mec qui construit quelque chose sur le toit de son immeuble, c'est assez insolite et unique.
J'alimente juste le topic par quelques news, rien d'autre, sans arrière pensée.
Un zoo qui trombe les clients, on peut trouver ça n'importe où et ça représente pas forcément la mentalité chinoise mais, un mec qui construit quelque chose sur le toit de son immeuble, c'est assez insolite et unique.
ce que tu dis est vrai , mais la chine a un double "désavantage a ce niveau la : la revolution culturelle a tout balayé et tout nivelé vers le bas, et il ya euune explosin soudaine de richesse ces 10 dernieres année...
Je vais décrocher un peu de vos discussions culturelles pour aborder un thème plus scatologique.
On a beaucoup parlé sur les toilettes chinoises qui sont un thème s'insérant parfaitement dans la Chine en délire, mais pas facile à illustrer par des photos les trous nauséabonds et immondes des campagnes, les toilettes publiques où les chiottes "à la turque" s'alignent côte à côte sans aucune séparation (ou des séparations très basses), les toilettes féminines - lieu de conversation où les femmes, sans doute nostalgiques des toilettes précédentes, laissent ouvertes leurs portes pour mieux pouvoir discuter avec leurs amies tout en faisant ce pour quoi elles sont là, etc... Quand les autorités ou les planificateurs ont décidé de moderniser les toilettes chinoises publiques, les utilisateurs ne les suivent pas toujours.
En triant mes photos sur le Tianmenshan (Hunan) cet après-midi, j'en ai trouvé une illustrant ce hyatus : il y a presque toujours une cabine avec une toilette "à l'occidentale" qui est destinée aux handicapés, mais qui me conviendrait bien ; hélas elle est en général fermée à clé, ou d'une saleté repoussante, où elle sert à des usages variés, comme le montre cette photo.
J'ai trouvé l'image amusante, mais difficile à caser au milieu de splendides vues de paysages, donc je l'ai casée dans ce fil, j'espère qu'elle n'y déparera pas.
Salut
Tu aurais pu nous faire une photo des toilettes publiques! Celles qu'on trouve facilement en suivant les flèches mais aussi à l'odeur... pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas.
Moi ce qui m'a un peu choqué en Chine c'est de voir des chiens entassés les uns sur les autres , écrasés, étouffés dans des cages grillagées , transportés à vélo ..a l'arrivée on vide les cages, certains sont déjà morts mais tous finissent en fondue chinoise..
Et les dizaines de porcs entassés par rangées et entravés sur des claies de bambous et transportés sur des camions!
Tu aurais pu nous faire une photo des toilettes publiques!
Suffit de demander 😮
Ji'nan (Shandong) Avril 2013 (notez la présence de mouches et d'un mégot de cigarette)
des chiens entassés (...) dans des cages (...) finissent en fondue chinoise..
Jai bien une photo d'un chien à un stade intermédiaire, entre cage et fondue, mais je ne voudrais pas choquer la susceptibilité de certain(e)s sur ce forum 🤪
les dizaines de porcs entassés
Là je suis arrivé un peu trop tard et n'ai pu photographier que la phase finale d'une partie du processus alimentaire 😛
Nanchang (Jiangxi) Décembre 2010
Suffit de demander 😮
Ji'nan (Shandong) Avril 2013 (notez la présence de mouches et d'un mégot de cigarette)des chiens entassés (...) dans des cages (...) finissent en fondue chinoise..
Jai bien une photo d'un chien à un stade intermédiaire, entre cage et fondue, mais je ne voudrais pas choquer la susceptibilité de certain(e)s sur ce forum 🤪
les dizaines de porcs entassés
Là je suis arrivé un peu trop tard et n'ai pu photographier que la phase finale d'une partie du processus alimentaire 😛
Nanchang (Jiangxi) Décembre 2010"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
Elles sont toutes propres tes toilettes ! Et les séparations sont assez élevées pour cacher le voisin en position accroupie, pas debout, j'en conviens, ni pour ceux qui passent devant.
Quant aux chiens, je crois bien que tu en avais posté quelques exemplaires en piteux état il y a quelques mois ou années (au Xinjiang ?). Moi j'en ai photographiés il y a un mois sur l'étal du boucher dans un marché du Guizhou, mais je n'ai pas encore traité les photos.
Ce qui est un peu agaçant dans cette discussion c'est qu'on a l'impression que seule la Chine concentre toutes ces choses peu appétissantes...
On mange du chien en Corée du Sud également, quant aux toilettes, celles de Sibérie sont autrement plus immondes que celles que l'on peut trouver en Chine...
On mange du chien en Corée du Sud également, quant aux toilettes, celles de Sibérie sont autrement plus immondes que celles que l'on peut trouver en Chine...
Peut-être en parle-t-on sur les forums de Corée et de Russie ? Ici c'est le forum de Chine et on y parle de la Chine. D'ailleurs je ne suis jamais allée en Corée ni en Sibérie.
Quant aux toilettes, ce qui nous a le plus frappé, c'est moins la saleté (qu'on trouve ailleurs bien sûr) que le caractère public, pas de pudeur possible dans certains WC publics chinois (il y en a de moins en moins), et ça je ne l'ai vu dans aucun autre des nombreux pays que j'ai visité. Très souvent quand il y a des portes elles ne ferment pas, et ça n'a l'air de déranger personne. Et quand elles ferment, les utilisatrices les laissent quelquefois volontairement ouvertes ! Ça c'est surprenant pour une occidentale et donc on en parle dans ce fil. C'est d'autant plus surprenant que sur les plages les chinoises ne montrent même pas leur ventre et sont soit en maillot une pièce à jupette, soit carrément habillées dans l'eau. Souligner ces points ne veut pas dire qu'on n'aime ou n'apprécie pas la Chine, sinon on n'y retournerait pas.
Mais on peut aimer un pays et écrire ce qui nous y surprend ou nous déplait, pas de pensée unique. Dans ce fil, il y a forcément plus de points qui semblent négatifs, va sur les fils de récits de voyage, par exemple mes chroniques, pour trouver des souvenirs enchantés. Pasqualina.
Quant aux toilettes, ce qui nous a le plus frappé, c'est moins la saleté (qu'on trouve ailleurs bien sûr) que le caractère public, pas de pudeur possible dans certains WC publics chinois (il y en a de moins en moins), et ça je ne l'ai vu dans aucun autre des nombreux pays que j'ai visité. Très souvent quand il y a des portes elles ne ferment pas, et ça n'a l'air de déranger personne. Et quand elles ferment, les utilisatrices les laissent quelquefois volontairement ouvertes ! Ça c'est surprenant pour une occidentale et donc on en parle dans ce fil. C'est d'autant plus surprenant que sur les plages les chinoises ne montrent même pas leur ventre et sont soit en maillot une pièce à jupette, soit carrément habillées dans l'eau. Souligner ces points ne veut pas dire qu'on n'aime ou n'apprécie pas la Chine, sinon on n'y retournerait pas.
Mais on peut aimer un pays et écrire ce qui nous y surprend ou nous déplait, pas de pensée unique. Dans ce fil, il y a forcément plus de points qui semblent négatifs, va sur les fils de récits de voyage, par exemple mes chroniques, pour trouver des souvenirs enchantés. Pasqualina.
le suppression des portes et de l intimité dans les toilettes publiques date de la revolution culturelle...pour éviter les complots!
la révolution culturelle a passé mais ces habitudes sont restées plus longuement mais elle sont aussi en train de passer, tout doucement!
Vraiment Oliwen, tu es sûr ? L'origine est politique ? J'imaginais que la notion de pudeur était différente en Chine, par une tradition millénaire, je n'avais pas pensé à la révolution culturelle.
Suffit de demander
ça c'est la version luxe avec carrelage!et en plus ya des murs de séparation! c'est pas celle que j'ai connue mais ça donne une petite idée!
ça c'est la version luxe avec carrelage!et en plus ya des murs de séparation! c'est pas celle que j'ai connue mais ça donne une petite idée!
On mange du chien en Corée du Sud également, quant aux toilettes, celles de Sibérie sont autrement plus immondes que celles que l'on peut trouver en Chine...
Des toilettes immondes et même plus immondes qu'en Chine on en trouve ( trouvait) dans de nombreux pays d'Afrique et aussi d'Asie.. mais des toilettes collectives avec une dizaine de trous alignés je n'en ai vus qu'en Chine.. On mange aussi du chien dans certains pays d'asie du sud est en particulier aux Philippines et aussi en Afrique mais je n'ai jamais vu transporter ces animaux vivants dans des conditions aussi horribles qu'en Chine.. Il est vrai que je me suis fait arrêté par la police dans ce district qui commercialisait les chiens car il était interdit aux étrangers.
Des toilettes immondes et même plus immondes qu'en Chine on en trouve ( trouvait) dans de nombreux pays d'Afrique et aussi d'Asie.. mais des toilettes collectives avec une dizaine de trous alignés je n'en ai vus qu'en Chine.. On mange aussi du chien dans certains pays d'asie du sud est en particulier aux Philippines et aussi en Afrique mais je n'ai jamais vu transporter ces animaux vivants dans des conditions aussi horribles qu'en Chine.. Il est vrai que je me suis fait arrêté par la police dans ce district qui commercialisait les chiens car il était interdit aux étrangers.
oui, la pudeur et laensibilité ne sontr pas les memes, mais la politique s en est mele aussi!
en chine tout est politique et en meme temps rien n est politique!
Politique ou pas ce qui m'importe c'est de ne pas terminer mon voyage derrière les barreaux pour être entré sans le savoir dans une "restrected area"! donc tous les pays de ce type maintenant j'évite!
Ah Djalma... Tu veux bien nous rappeler la date de ton voyage en Chine ?...
A voyageur vintage, souvenirs... périmés ?
ça c'est la version luxe
Ragamuffin, en Chine, comme en Inde d'ailleurs, ne fréquente que les sanitaires de luxe. On est VIP ou pas 😛

Ragamuffin, en Chine, comme en Inde d'ailleurs, ne fréquente que les sanitaires de luxe. On est VIP ou pas 😛

"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
C'est quoi le luxe pour des WC ? C'est d'être propre ?😉
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
C'est de pouvoir réclamer de l'argent pour leur utilisation 😮
L'argent n'a - paraît-il - pas d'odeur 🤪
L'argent n'a - paraît-il - pas d'odeur 🤪
"Nous ne sommes plus une communauté d'être humains qui se parlent mais un conglomérat de grappes de consommateurs en niches, séparés les uns des autres par des obsessions diverses et innombrables. Nous sommes de l'ère de la désintégration." Marc Moulin (1942-2008) in Humoeurs
Ah ça c'est pas mal! Encore jamais vu. J'ai connu les couchettes ( en train Indien) VIP mais les toilettes luxec'est une première.. C'est fou le progrès en Inde dans peu de temps on sera au niveau Européen!
Non, bien sûr.
Je crois toutefois qu'il serait bon de mentionner, lorsqu'on évoque un pays, que le voyage qu'on y a fait a eu lieu il y a plus de 20 ans...
Le premier voyage que j'avais fait en Chine à l'usine ou j'étais, les toilettes c'était une grande tranchée carrelée, avec tous les x heures un monsieur pipi qui passait avec son jet d'eau pour nettoyer la rigole.
Tu rentrais dans les toilette tu voyais les employés accroupis à faire ce qu'ils avaient à faire tout en se fumant leur cigarette et en tapant la discute avec leur voisin. C'est un grand moment de solitude quand tu rentres là dedans. Surtout quand t'es le seul étranger à 300 km à la ronde.
Maintenant je vois plus souvent des toilettes turques avec une petite séparation pas très haute, mais même si bien souvent il y'a une porte ce n'est pas pour autant que chacun aspire à son intimité, cependant les mentalités évoluent vite. Les toilettes c'est bien souvent un fumoir où chacun vient passer un peu de temps, enfin certains plus que d'autres.........
Pour les choses qui attirent l'attention en Chine, ce qui me vient à l'idée ce sont ceux qui portent des lunettes sans verre, juste les montures bien épaisses noires, ou les jeunes couples qui ont des T-shirts qui vont par paire, même couleur ou du genre madame à le T-shirt "I'm mother" et monsieur "I'm father". Puis les chiens et leur toilettage exubérants, ceux déguisés en panda, ceux avec une capuche quand il pleut, ceux avec un jogging ou bien en maya l'abeille 🙂...... L'autre fois j'ai croisé une dame, avec son chien qui la suivait en marchant juste sur ses 2 pattes arrières, c'est assez hallucinant comme spectacle.... Les animaux de compagnie prennent de plus en plus de place dans la vie des Chinois, dans quelques années on n'en verra plus sur les étales, ils ont déja leurs défenseurs.... Tout n'est qu'un point de vue, quand tu dis à un Anglais que le lapin c'est bon, ou qu'on mange du cheval ils te prennent pour un monstre.
Pour les choses qui attirent l'attention en Chine, ce qui me vient à l'idée ce sont ceux qui portent des lunettes sans verre, juste les montures bien épaisses noires, ou les jeunes couples qui ont des T-shirts qui vont par paire, même couleur ou du genre madame à le T-shirt "I'm mother" et monsieur "I'm father". Puis les chiens et leur toilettage exubérants, ceux déguisés en panda, ceux avec une capuche quand il pleut, ceux avec un jogging ou bien en maya l'abeille 🙂...... L'autre fois j'ai croisé une dame, avec son chien qui la suivait en marchant juste sur ses 2 pattes arrières, c'est assez hallucinant comme spectacle.... Les animaux de compagnie prennent de plus en plus de place dans la vie des Chinois, dans quelques années on n'en verra plus sur les étales, ils ont déja leurs défenseurs.... Tout n'est qu'un point de vue, quand tu dis à un Anglais que le lapin c'est bon, ou qu'on mange du cheval ils te prennent pour un monstre.
Le plus grand voyageur est celui qui a su faire une fois le tour de lui-même
Le régime politique a changé depuis mon voyage ? je ne crois pas... et je connais des gens qui encore récemment ont dû payer une forte amende pour être entré dans un endroit interdit ( Bien sûr sans en être averti!! ça fait rentrer des sous dans les caisses de l'état!!) et je suis quasiment certain que si on sort un tout petit peu des grands axes où tout le monde va qu'on peut être en infraction sans le savoir et que l'usage de l'Anglais pour en avertir l'étranger n'est tjs pas en vigueur.. bien sûr si on se contente de Pekin et de la muraille de Chine pas de soucis!!
euhhhh...
j ai pas tout compris, la!
le fil m echappe qq peu....
qu est ce qi est gratuit, qu est ce qui ne l est pas?
ou y a til des toulettes payantes en chine?????non
ou as t on des amandes????
et qesqe le regime politique a avoir la dedans?
je suis un peu perdu?😐
et je connais des gens qui encore récemment ont dû payer une forte amende pour être entré dans un endroit interdit
Où ?
et je suis quasiment certain que si on sort un tout petit peu des grands axes où tout le monde va qu'on peut être en infraction sans le savoir et que l'usage de l'Anglais pour en avertir l'étranger n'est tjs pas en vigueur.. bien sûr si on se contente de Pekin et de la muraille de Chine pas de soucis!!
Ta vision de la Chine actuelle tient du fantasme. La Chine du XXIe siècle n'est pas la Corée du Nord.
Où ?
et je suis quasiment certain que si on sort un tout petit peu des grands axes où tout le monde va qu'on peut être en infraction sans le savoir et que l'usage de l'Anglais pour en avertir l'étranger n'est tjs pas en vigueur.. bien sûr si on se contente de Pekin et de la muraille de Chine pas de soucis!!
Ta vision de la Chine actuelle tient du fantasme. La Chine du XXIe siècle n'est pas la Corée du Nord.
et je connais des gens qui encore récemment ont dû payer une forte amende pour être entré dans un endroit interdit
Où ?
Quelque part au Sinkiang je recherche.. Si la Chine n'est pas la Corée du Nord cette dernière offre l'avantage de ne pas pouvoir t'aventurer n'importe où et de ce côté il n'y a rien à craindre. Tu crois que tu peux traverser le Tibet/ Quingaî sans guide à tes basques bien sûr tout comme certaines parties du Sinkiang et bien d'autres "petits districts" où vivent des minorités ethniques persécutées sans risquer de te faire arrêter et terminer dans un poste de police? Tiens toi au courant!
Où ?Quelque part au Sinkiang je recherche.. Si la Chine n'est pas la Corée du Nord cette dernière offre l'avantage de ne pas pouvoir t'aventurer n'importe où et de ce côté il n'y a rien à craindre. Tu crois que tu peux traverser le Tibet/ Quingaî sans guide à tes basques bien sûr tout comme certaines parties du Sinkiang et bien d'autres "petits districts" où vivent des minorités ethniques persécutées sans risquer de te faire arrêter et terminer dans un poste de police? Tiens toi au courant!
Tiens toi au courant!
Je me tiens au courant. Je suis allée au Tibet, deux fois. Je suis aussi allée au Xinjiang il y a deux ans. Et toi ?
Je me tiens au courant. Je suis allée au Tibet, deux fois. Je suis aussi allée au Xinjiang il y a deux ans. Et toi ?
Je suis allée au Tibet,
ça veut dire quoi je suis allée au Tibet ? ou, et comment? par le train à Lhassa? avec un guide au départ de Kathmandu oui là pas de problème!... tu as traversé le tibet de long en large tu es allée du côté de Golmud ..et aussi au Sinkiang tu y es allée comme 99 % à Kachgar et Urumqui qui sont autorisés ! sur un territoire vaste comme 2 fois la France! On ne parle pas de l même chose! Si je vais au fin fond de l'Amazonie ou dans une tribu en Ethiopie je peux certes risquer ma vie mais je ne me ferai pas arrêter par la police et n'y passerai pas 3 jours ou plus si je ne paie pas le montant de l'amende demandée voilà la différence!!
ça veut dire quoi je suis allée au Tibet ? ou, et comment? par le train à Lhassa? avec un guide au départ de Kathmandu oui là pas de problème!... tu as traversé le tibet de long en large tu es allée du côté de Golmud ..et aussi au Sinkiang tu y es allée comme 99 % à Kachgar et Urumqui qui sont autorisés ! sur un territoire vaste comme 2 fois la France! On ne parle pas de l même chose! Si je vais au fin fond de l'Amazonie ou dans une tribu en Ethiopie je peux certes risquer ma vie mais je ne me ferai pas arrêter par la police et n'y passerai pas 3 jours ou plus si je ne paie pas le montant de l'amende demandée voilà la différence!!
Non je ne suis pas allée au Tibet avec un guide. Ni par le train. J'y suis allée en individuel, en avion, au départ de Chengdu. Puis suis repartie vers le Yunnan en voiture, en douce, sans les 4 permis demandés pour traverser les zones concernées. Nous n'avons pas été contrôlés : une chance ! Pour ce qui est du Xinjiang, je suis allée à Kashgar bien entendu. Puis sur la route sud. Enfin jusqu'à la frontière du Pakistan. Avec tous les docs nécessaires puisque ce secteur est autorisé sous conditions. Ben oui, je me tenais au courant quand même... Il faut être un peu con pour tenter de s'y aventurer illégalement d'autant que la restriction est tout sauf confidentielle .
Puis suis repartie vers le Yunnan en voiture, en douce, sans les 4 permis demandés pour traverser les zones concernées. Nous n'avons pas été contrôlés : une chance !
Comme tu dis une chance! et c'est tant mieux Mais ça aurait pu tout aussi bien être une malchance.
Il faut être un peu con pour tenter de s'y aventurer illégalement d'autant que la restriction est tout sauf confidentielle .
Ben qu'est ce que tu as fait quand tu dis ( au dessus) être entrée sans permis au Tibet ou Tibet vers Yunnan en voiture , en douce?!! là c'est pas de la connerie? c'en est seulement pour les autres?
Personnellement, si j'en parle c'est que justement il ne m'était pas possible de le savoir et c'est bien là le problème!! si une zone est fermée aux étrangers que c'est écrit quelque part je ne prends pas ce risque là. En l'occurrence il s'agissait d'un petit "comté" tout proche de Guillin ( ville hautement touristique) si tu sortais de la ville de Guillin ou de Yangshuo ( que des touristes!!) et qu'en louant un velo pour te balader dans les villages voisins tu pouvais sans le savoir ( aucune interdiction et pas de panneaux ) pénétrer en zone interdite; un peu comme si Paris était autorisé au tourisme mais que saint Ouen était interdit!
Comme tu dis une chance! et c'est tant mieux Mais ça aurait pu tout aussi bien être une malchance.
Il faut être un peu con pour tenter de s'y aventurer illégalement d'autant que la restriction est tout sauf confidentielle .
Ben qu'est ce que tu as fait quand tu dis ( au dessus) être entrée sans permis au Tibet ou Tibet vers Yunnan en voiture , en douce?!! là c'est pas de la connerie? c'en est seulement pour les autres?
Personnellement, si j'en parle c'est que justement il ne m'était pas possible de le savoir et c'est bien là le problème!! si une zone est fermée aux étrangers que c'est écrit quelque part je ne prends pas ce risque là. En l'occurrence il s'agissait d'un petit "comté" tout proche de Guillin ( ville hautement touristique) si tu sortais de la ville de Guillin ou de Yangshuo ( que des touristes!!) et qu'en louant un velo pour te balader dans les villages voisins tu pouvais sans le savoir ( aucune interdiction et pas de panneaux ) pénétrer en zone interdite; un peu comme si Paris était autorisé au tourisme mais que saint Ouen était interdit!
En revenant sur ce fil, je découvre ces photos de tenues de bain pas très érotiques.
Toutefois, es tu certaines que c'est pour préserver la blancheur de la peau ?
Connais-tu les sand-flies, ou flies of sea selon les endroits ? ( je ne connais pas le nom scientifique de ces bestioles maléfiques).
Ceux qui ont la malchance d'avoir quelques allergies, peuvent contracter de graves maladies de peau s'il sont piqué plusieurs fois par ces tout petits insectes, qui piquent aussi bien sur la plage que sur l'eau aux abords des plages.
Après trois semaines d'antibio et de cortisone, sans oublier les petits pots de crème appasante, j'ai adopté, à très peu de chose près, cette tenue (cagoule en moins, mais casquette sur la tête). Ces insectes sont surtout présents sur les plages a proximité de lieux de pêche. J'ai vu des pêcheurs, le soir sur la plage, encagoulés, gantés, et chaussettes aux pieds, car après plusieurs piqûres, une grave maladie de peau s'installe définitivement.
Les boutons laissés par ces insectes ressembleraient presque à des bubons.(🏴☠️)
Tu sais sans doute mieux que moi que les asiatiques sont très méfiants envers nos produits pharmaceutiques de synthèse. Ben, là, pas de soucis.
Tu ne peux pas comparer la situation au Tibet et au Xinjiang. Nous ne risquions pas grand-chose au Tibet. Une amende. Moins importante que le tarif demandé par les agences pour faire ces 4 jours de route. Notre éjection du Tibet. Que nous étions en train de quitter de toute façon. Sûrement pas la prison. Le chauffeur chinois ne semblait guère inquiet lui non plus. Je précise que nous étions entrés légalement, avec permis donc. Nous sortions en loucedé.
Les permis pour entrer au Tibet sont un business, . Ils existent parce qu'il y a une clientèle.
Si j'ai cité cet exemple, c'est simplement pour te faire admettre (enfin essayer) que les étrangers sont bien moins contrôlés que tu ne l'imagines. J'ai disparu des écrans 4 jours durant puisqu'enregistrée nulle part puis réapparais quelques centaines de kms plus loin. Ne laissant donc aucune incertitude quant au trajet que j'ai emprunté. Logiquement, on aurait dû me refuser le permis pour le Tibet que je demandais 3 mois plus tard. Ben non... Je nourris, depuis, un gros doute quant à la centralisation (voire la transmission) des données concernant les voyageurs étrangers dans ce pays.
Le cas de Tashkorgan au Xinjiang est très différent puisque c'est là qu'ont lieu des formalités d'immigration. Entrer illégalement dans cette zone est sûrement passible de prison. Mais ce sera comme ça partout ailleurs dans le monde. Tu ne nous a toujours pas dit dans quel coin du Xinjiang tes copains ont été arrêtés.
Qu'en est-il aujourd'hui de cette région proche de Guilin, interdite aux étrangers dans les années 80 ?
Le cas de Tashkorgan au Xinjiang est très différent puisque c'est là qu'ont lieu des formalités d'immigration. Entrer illégalement dans cette zone est sûrement passible de prison. Mais ce sera comme ça partout ailleurs dans le monde. Tu ne nous a toujours pas dit dans quel coin du Xinjiang tes copains ont été arrêtés.
Qu'en est-il aujourd'hui de cette région proche de Guilin, interdite aux étrangers dans les années 80 ?
c est clair qu il ya des zones interdites , ou qui necessitent un permis, mais bon apart ca. (certaines zo, ne du xinjiang, du gansu et du tibet)
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la chine en délire...
l experssion est exellente et judicieusement choisie, la chine est comme un train fout lancé a toute vitesse, sans conducteur défini ni direcion définie!
maintenant, pour répondre aux derniers topics concerant l "assimilation des minorités" oui, ca éxiste et c est une part inhérente a la civilisation chinoise, la sinisation des confins! ce n est pas nouveau , et ca ne va pas s arreter non plus!
maintenant, pour répondre aux derniers topics concerant l "assimilation des minorités" oui, ca éxiste et c est une part inhérente a la civilisation chinoise, la sinisation des confins! ce n est pas nouveau , et ca ne va pas s arreter non plus!
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hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
