I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Où sont les vrais "travellers"?
by Jeanlabass
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
mais à la nuance prêt que les salaires proposés sont souvent au dela de ceux pratiqués habituellement dans les entreprises locales tout simplement parce que même en étant au delà l'écart est encore énorme, avec souvent des conditions de travail améliorées
Bonjour je ne voudrais pas refroidir ton enthousiasme, mais as tu seulement entendu parler des zones franches industrielles?
Le principe est simple: un pays dit "du tiers-monde" octroie un terrain assez grand pour que des dizaines d'entreprises viennent y construire leurs usines et leurs ateliers de confection; sur ce terrain, pas de droit du travail, pas d'impots non plus, les syndicats y sont interdits, et on y bosse comme des esclaves; l'idée étant qu'au bout de 5 ans les entreprises s'installent définitivement et finissent donc par se mettre en accord avec le droit du travail local;
sauf que, ces entreprises là (que ce soit nike ou nokia, lacoste ou renault) on les appelle des "hirondelles", car, pas folles les mouches, au bout de 4 ans et demi elles se taillent vite fait vers une autre zone franche.
Donc, d'accord, qu'il y ait dans le tertiaire des emplois peut-être mieux payés que la norme du pays, pourquoi pas , mais cela n'efface pas le phénomène d'exploitation globale dont profitent les transnationales.
Bonjour je ne voudrais pas refroidir ton enthousiasme, mais as tu seulement entendu parler des zones franches industrielles?
Le principe est simple: un pays dit "du tiers-monde" octroie un terrain assez grand pour que des dizaines d'entreprises viennent y construire leurs usines et leurs ateliers de confection; sur ce terrain, pas de droit du travail, pas d'impots non plus, les syndicats y sont interdits, et on y bosse comme des esclaves; l'idée étant qu'au bout de 5 ans les entreprises s'installent définitivement et finissent donc par se mettre en accord avec le droit du travail local;
sauf que, ces entreprises là (que ce soit nike ou nokia, lacoste ou renault) on les appelle des "hirondelles", car, pas folles les mouches, au bout de 4 ans et demi elles se taillent vite fait vers une autre zone franche.
Donc, d'accord, qu'il y ait dans le tertiaire des emplois peut-être mieux payés que la norme du pays, pourquoi pas , mais cela n'efface pas le phénomène d'exploitation globale dont profitent les transnationales.
Le principe est simple: un pays dit "du tiers-monde" octroie un terrain assez grand pour que des dizaines d'entreprises viennent y construire leurs usines et leurs ateliers de confection; sur ce terrain, pas de droit du travail, pas d'impots non plus, les syndicats y sont interdits, et on y bosse comme des esclaves; l'idée étant qu'au bout de 5 ans les entreprises s'installent définitivement et finissent donc par se mettre en accord avec le droit du travail local;
Vous simplifiez à outrance. Il y a des zones franches un peu partout, France comprise, fonctionnant sur le principe d'allègement voir d'exonération des charges salariales; les salariés y ont les mêmes droits que sur le reste du territoire national. Évidemment, on peut facilement imaginer des "débordements" dans certains pays où les droits individuels sont bafoués régulièrement. Là encore cependant, rien qui ne sorte de l'ordinaire...
Vous simplifiez à outrance. Il y a des zones franches un peu partout, France comprise, fonctionnant sur le principe d'allègement voir d'exonération des charges salariales; les salariés y ont les mêmes droits que sur le reste du territoire national. Évidemment, on peut facilement imaginer des "débordements" dans certains pays où les droits individuels sont bafoués régulièrement. Là encore cependant, rien qui ne sorte de l'ordinaire...
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
Je suis en parti d'accord avec ton point de vue,
Je ne pense pas que le manichéisme soit toujours une bonne chose, y compris sur le débat "riches/pauvres", bons ou mauvais, occidentaux ou d'ailleurs etc; Il y a tellement de nuances et variables, qu'on ne peut fixer;
Le sujet abordé ici ne m'interesse pas trop, et (donc) je ne m'y connais pas trop dans tout ce qui est "économie, entreprises nationales, filiales étrangères " etc etc;
D'abord parceque tout ça, pour simplifier, "c'est pour le fric" à mon avis, et bien souvent le fric pour les profiteurs et décideurs avant tout, au détriment des employés et de l'environnement bien souvent !
Et entre nous, quand je vois qu'on occident (ou ailleurs) certains "glorifient" steve jobs comme un messie informatique (qui n'a pas trop eu de problèmes financiers dans sa vie ... !), alors qu'on apprend un jour qu'une de ces "filiales" ou entreprises "sous-traitant" en chine entre autre, se fait connaitre pour des tentatives de suicides des salariés chinois dû à leurs conditions de travail, et que l'entreprise a essayé de "regler" en ajoutant des grilles ou barreaux sur les fenêtres des immeubles pour empêcher les salariés de sauter, je me dis qu'il n'est pas toujours sain de croquer la pomme...
Et pourtant je n'aime pas spécialement le modèle de société chinois
Perso je n'ai jamais utilisé de macintosh ! , mais le "fondateur" de microsoft n'est pas forcément mieux 😉
Encore une énième déclinaison de ce triste débat sémantique qui agite trop souvent vf.
Pourquoi chercher jusqu'à l'absurde à revendiquer une étiquette et à tenter d'étiqueter les autres... en piochant le qualificatif dans ta propre échelle de valeur qui irait de l'authentique au superficiel ?
... "Où sont les vrais travellers ?"... Peut-être qu'ils voyagent... sans se regarder voyager, sans adopter une attitude, sans se demander sous quel statut, sans se comparer aux autres. On voyage comme on est dans la vie...
Je suis rarement d'accord à 100% avec qqn, mais ici c'est le cas... pourquoi chercher une attitude, un style, pour moi voyager c'est se détacher des standards et attentes... si un voyageur authentique est celui qui doit dormir dehors... d'acc si c'est ton point de vue...
Pourquoi chercher jusqu'à l'absurde à revendiquer une étiquette et à tenter d'étiqueter les autres... en piochant le qualificatif dans ta propre échelle de valeur qui irait de l'authentique au superficiel ?
... "Où sont les vrais travellers ?"... Peut-être qu'ils voyagent... sans se regarder voyager, sans adopter une attitude, sans se demander sous quel statut, sans se comparer aux autres. On voyage comme on est dans la vie...
Je suis rarement d'accord à 100% avec qqn, mais ici c'est le cas... pourquoi chercher une attitude, un style, pour moi voyager c'est se détacher des standards et attentes... si un voyageur authentique est celui qui doit dormir dehors... d'acc si c'est ton point de vue...
"Pourquoi voyager ? Pour rien, juste par passion..."
Bonjour
plus d'1 mois de discussion sur un message "à priori" émanent d'un "jeune" à "étiquettes" ressemblant localement à un "clochard" au yeux des autochtones et utilisant des anglicismes sur un sujet largement débattu et qui provoque toujours autant de réactions de moqueries ... bravo à tous les vrais sages qui eux, ont juste souri et ne sont surtout pas intervenus !
Pour ma part, c'est raté 😉
Moi aussi j'aimerai être jeune, en vacances et surtout savoir prendre du temps !
plus d'1 mois de discussion sur un message "à priori" émanent d'un "jeune" à "étiquettes" ressemblant localement à un "clochard" au yeux des autochtones et utilisant des anglicismes sur un sujet largement débattu et qui provoque toujours autant de réactions de moqueries ... bravo à tous les vrais sages qui eux, ont juste souri et ne sont surtout pas intervenus !
Pour ma part, c'est raté 😉
Moi aussi j'aimerai être jeune, en vacances et surtout savoir prendre du temps !
J appel les routard (les vrais) a me rassurer et me dire que nous ne sommes pas les deux seuls pekins a voyager avec ce spirit
😏 oh yeah !
J'ose espérer, et je serais vraiment déçu si tu me répondais que non : Tu es venu de france en Asie du sud-est par la route ? Comme un vrai "traveller" que tu semble persuadé d'être ?
Quoi qu'il en soit, à défaut de vrai "traveller", certain locaux, te voyent surement comme un vrai traveller .... chèque ! T'inquiète.😉
Déjà que son sac à dos vaut probablement 2 mois de salaire du Laos moyen. 😕
😏 oh yeah !
J'ose espérer, et je serais vraiment déçu si tu me répondais que non : Tu es venu de france en Asie du sud-est par la route ? Comme un vrai "traveller" que tu semble persuadé d'être ?
Quoi qu'il en soit, à défaut de vrai "traveller", certain locaux, te voyent surement comme un vrai traveller .... chèque ! T'inquiète.😉
Déjà que son sac à dos vaut probablement 2 mois de salaire du Laos moyen. 😕
Moi qui ai voyagé plus de 40 fois en solo partout en Asie sac à dos dans les GH pas chères ou en mob locale sur de grands parcours, à plus de 56 ans, (j'ai perdu le compte, de 2 à 6 fois dans chacun des pays: Inde, Népal, Indonésie, Bornéo, Birmanie, Thaïlande, Ceylan, Laos que j'adore, Cambodge, Malaisie, Vietnam, Philippines, Chine, Tibet... sauf le Bouthan malheureusement trop cher et inaccessible aux individuels...) je te tire mon chapeau sur ta façon de voyager; tu es sans doute qqu'un de modeste et d'intelligent (l'intelligence du coeur) et j'apprécie.
Pas de forfanterie dans ton message.
Bon esprit, empathique et ouvert.
Ah, il en faudrait plus que ça, des touristes respectueux des gens, attentifs, et HUMBLES. Bravo à toi.
Que ton message rende un peu nos tristes compatriotes plus dignes des valeurs humaines que portent les locaux, qui ont tant à nous apprendre, à nous, pauvres guignols, qui savons tout et donnons tant de leçons au monde entier.
"Tout ce qui n'est pas donné est perdu" (Le Dalaï Lama)
LamaNorbu
Peace Man ,
Tu es un Héros toi , un vrai hein ? je voyage depuis sept ans et je ne pense pas être une héroine , je me considère comme une nomade , une passante, une visiteuse de la terre ! et je vais t'étonner je n'ai même pas le look .. c'est dire ! pas de rasta, je suis toujours propre, pas de fringue de chez décathlon ou de spécialiste d'aventure hors norme et jene me déguise pas ... et pis tiens j'ai même pas l'âge, je suis partie j'avais 44 ans et toutes mes dents j'en ai 50 today!! donc je pense vraiment être une nomade ( donc différente ).. mais où sont les autres ??? bah on ne les voit pas parce qu'ils sont discrets, ils ne recherchent pas à se faire mousser, ni à se mettre en avant ou à faire parler d'eux .. je voyage ( au cas où tu me prendrais pour une bourgeoise rentière d'un milliardaire) avec 10 euros par jour et quelque fois j'arrive même à faire des economies et un sac à dos qui pèse ( sac compris) 7 kgs ... Dis moi en quoi dormir dehors fait " plus genre " que de dormir dans une guest ? pourquoi ne pas passer par des lieux dit touristiques pour se faire plaisir et se reposer un peu ? et pis d'ailleurs comment les éviter quelque fois ( toi cinq mois Laos et Cambodge tu as forcément dû repasser par la capitale voirl a frontière et tout ça à pied ???? Mazette !! tu es comme ces gens que j'ai croisé ( en alsace ) qui me disait avoir fait le " TOUR " de l'Europe en vélo en six mois ( avec un enfant ) Whaouuuu!! ils ont même eu le temps d'écrire un pavé de 600 pages et ils envisagent sérieusement de partir de France et d'arriver en Nouvelle calédonie ( toujours en vélo et avec un enfant) sans jamais GRAND dieu jamais, prendre un bâteau ni un avion et tout ça en un an !! .. rires !!! j'adore !!! en quoi ta manière de voyager est la meilleure ???? Je ne comprends pas .. on adapte son voyage à soi et pas l'inverse il me semble .. Je me vois mal dormir en pleine jungle - même dans une moustiquaire - seule .. le truc c'est aussi de se protéger il me semble , pourtant je suis casse-cou je suis la championne des gamelles en moto ( toujours loin de tout évidemment souvent la jungle ma spécialité) ) .. le Hamac ? mouais mais pendant combien de temps ??? alors qu'un bon lit fait d'une planche voir le sol avec des milliards de fourmis méchantes à souhait ( les garces) ne rêvent que de te pourrir la nuit ? OUi bon .. à voir .. ah et sans oublier la tigresse ( laos) que j'ai eu en face de moi (à 5 mètres avec son petit) tu crois qu'elle aurait accepté de partager son coin avec moi ( hamac ou moustiquaire ou pas ?) Un vrai voyageur est un opportuniste, il dort où il peut et quand il peut mais il ne cherche pas à être un sur-homme, au fait et quand tu es malade car ça t'arrivera tôt ou tard , crois moi une bonne guest bien proprette avec des gens qui savent que tu es là , ça fait la différence ( expérience de dix jours dans un semi coma because un méchant moustique- la dengue) ... Un dernier point tu étais où au Laos ? et quel interêt de se faire à manger dans ces deux pays ? les grillades sur le bord de la route sont délicieuses, même si j'ai aussi adoré les fourmis grillées , les lézads à la cendre, et des hannetons sautés avec des fleurs de nénuphars .. et toi ? tu as mangé quoi , des spaghettis ? Donc ton manque de bon sens, d'humour et de modestie fait que tu ne croiseras que très très rarement les grands voyageurs .. je te renvoie donc à la photo ci-jointe ... sourires
Peace Man ....
souriez vous êtes Heureux ....
je voyage depuis sept ans et je ne pense pas être une héroine , je me considère comme une nomade , une passante, une visiteuse de la terre ! et je vais t'étonner je n'ai même pas le look .. c'est dire ! pas de rasta, je suis toujours propre, pas de fringue de chez décathlon ou de spécialiste d'aventure hors norme et jene me déguise pas ..
Mais qu'il est beau ton chapeau!
Mais qu'il est beau ton chapeau!
sympa backpackmojo.com
Quelle violence dans cette discussion ! A chacun son type de voyage ! Je comprends très bien l'esprit de voyage que tu as en partant avec un hammac et en te faisant à manger, je pense en effet que c'est un moyen de voir un autre visage du pays que tu visites...hors des sentiers touristiques, évidemment que le voyage n'est pas le même. Si les autres n'aimeraient pas voyager ainsi, qu'ils ne le fassent pas ! En effet dormir en hôtels et manger au restau cela rapporterait plus d'argent au pays et aurait certainement plein d'autres avantages, comme le voyage d'un pseudo-"vrai" routard a son bon sur d'autres critères. Pas besoin de catégoriser les gens, soit comme "clochards" soit d'ailleurs comme "vrais routards"...
Je pense aussi que ce que l'on recherche dans un voyage est vraiment différent chez chacun, difficile de parler des voyages des autres ! Ce qui correspondent souvent à des besoins très intimes je pense.
Bons voyages à tous, quel qu'en soit le "spirit".
Je pense aussi que ce que l'on recherche dans un voyage est vraiment différent chez chacun, difficile de parler des voyages des autres ! Ce qui correspondent souvent à des besoins très intimes je pense.
Bons voyages à tous, quel qu'en soit le "spirit".
je voyage depuis sept ans et je ne pense pas être une héroine , je me considère comme une nomade , une passante, une visiteuse de la terre ! et je vais t'étonner je n'ai même pas le look .. c'est dire ! pas de rasta, je suis toujours propre, pas de fringue de chez décathlon ou de spécialiste d'aventure hors norme et jene me déguise pas ..
Mais qu'il est beau ton chapeau!
Yep, rire, je trouve aussi .. C'était en Chine une nuée de jeunes mariées se déguisaient pour faire une photo souvenir , en me voyant rire , elles m'ont proposé de poser pour la posternité .. arffff je savais que la photo vous plairait ..
Mais qu'il est beau ton chapeau!
Yep, rire, je trouve aussi .. C'était en Chine une nuée de jeunes mariées se déguisaient pour faire une photo souvenir , en me voyant rire , elles m'ont proposé de poser pour la posternité .. arffff je savais que la photo vous plairait ..
souriez vous êtes Heureux ....
Tashidelek,
Et bienvenue au pays où quoique l'on dise, on se fait casser ! lol Bon, il parait que la démocratie existe : je vais me différencier en m'exprimant à mon tour, puisque je rejoins en partie ton état d'esprit. Mise à part que je n'aime pas le terme "vrai travellers". Ce n'est pas le voyage ou son but qui est important mais la manière de le faire. Que se soit en guest house, chez l'habitant, dans la nature ou hôtel 4 étoiles, peu importe ! c'est la joie qu'on en retire, la rencontre authentique avec les locaux ! a partir du moment où le voyageur est dans une démarche de respect de la culture de l'autre, d'échange et d'empathie, le voyage est réussi. Et si le "traveller" arrive à se passer d'internet, du portable, de la télé, de pizza, coca et autres poisons, alors le voyage a un sens. Je te trouve très courageux de dormir dehors, personnellement je ne le ferai pas. L'année dernière je suis partie 2 mois seule dans le Tibet oriental, me suis déplacée en stop et bus, mais j'ai dormi chez l'habitant et parfois dehors (tente de nomad). J'ai perdu 8 kgs, vécue des expériences qui pourraient être traumatisantes pour d'autres, eu quelques frayeurs..Cependant, j'ai rencontré de belles personnes (tibétains et chinois), et séjourné dans des villages authentiques encore préservés du tourisme (je prie pour qui le restent le plus longtemps possible). Je te souhaites à l'avenir de nombreux voyages quel qu'ils soient ! -) Elena.
Et bienvenue au pays où quoique l'on dise, on se fait casser ! lol Bon, il parait que la démocratie existe : je vais me différencier en m'exprimant à mon tour, puisque je rejoins en partie ton état d'esprit. Mise à part que je n'aime pas le terme "vrai travellers". Ce n'est pas le voyage ou son but qui est important mais la manière de le faire. Que se soit en guest house, chez l'habitant, dans la nature ou hôtel 4 étoiles, peu importe ! c'est la joie qu'on en retire, la rencontre authentique avec les locaux ! a partir du moment où le voyageur est dans une démarche de respect de la culture de l'autre, d'échange et d'empathie, le voyage est réussi. Et si le "traveller" arrive à se passer d'internet, du portable, de la télé, de pizza, coca et autres poisons, alors le voyage a un sens. Je te trouve très courageux de dormir dehors, personnellement je ne le ferai pas. L'année dernière je suis partie 2 mois seule dans le Tibet oriental, me suis déplacée en stop et bus, mais j'ai dormi chez l'habitant et parfois dehors (tente de nomad). J'ai perdu 8 kgs, vécue des expériences qui pourraient être traumatisantes pour d'autres, eu quelques frayeurs..Cependant, j'ai rencontré de belles personnes (tibétains et chinois), et séjourné dans des villages authentiques encore préservés du tourisme (je prie pour qui le restent le plus longtemps possible). Je te souhaites à l'avenir de nombreux voyages quel qu'ils soient ! -) Elena.
T'es vraiment pipo Samuel ! Où as tu vu de la violence dans mon intervention dans cette discussion ?
Catherine
" La lucidité est la blessure la plus proche du soleil" René Char
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Salut
la rencontre authentique avec les locaux !
séjourné dans des villages authentiques encore préservés du tourisme
Tu devrais aller regarder ça! http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5059403;search_string=l%27authentique
la rencontre authentique avec les locaux !
séjourné dans des villages authentiques encore préservés du tourisme
Tu devrais aller regarder ça! http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5059403;search_string=l%27authentique
Ha Ha Ha
Tu en as pas pour le terme "mesquinerie" par hasard ?
Ce n'était pas une critique...
Ah bon ?
Bonjour,
Je viens de lire ces posts (qui datent un peu ..) Entièrement d'accord avec toi Ming2, voyager c'est d'abord se faire plaisir dans n'importe quel sorte de transport, de logements.C'est vrai que faire du stop dans ces pays là comme on le fait en Europe, je ne vois pas trop l'interet (à part les mauvaises rencontres!!), surtout qu'une location (voir meme acheter) d'un simple vélo coute une "poignée de cerises".Sans compter les transports en communs souvent d'un coup ridicule et parfois encore bien folkloriques, bien que celà se perde, empechent aucunement de faire de merveilleuses et surprenantes rencontres.Je voyage depuis une trentaine d'années.Dites vous bien (à mon humble avis) que des "vrais routards", et bien, il n'y en a plus.Tous ont internet, le téléphone portable (la preuve ici, et semblent perdus sans !!) etc..et çà, on ne pourra pas me dire le contraire.Aussi parfois, je m'étonne de rencontrer un certain nombre de "routards" friqués.Pas la majorité, mais de plus en plus il me semble.Je m'en aperçois à leur train de vie auquel je ne pourrai pas suivre meme à mon age...Ce n'est aucunement une critique de ma part , seulement un constat. Profitez de votre jeunesse à voyager, c'est la meilleure école de la vie.Ne recherchez pas les comparaisons stériles et qui ne veulent plus rien dire au 21 ème siècle!! Bon voyage à tous Jean-Claude PS: étant en retraite fin mai, je pars en Asie pour 2 mois en juin ....Le pieds !!!!
Je viens de lire ces posts (qui datent un peu ..) Entièrement d'accord avec toi Ming2, voyager c'est d'abord se faire plaisir dans n'importe quel sorte de transport, de logements.C'est vrai que faire du stop dans ces pays là comme on le fait en Europe, je ne vois pas trop l'interet (à part les mauvaises rencontres!!), surtout qu'une location (voir meme acheter) d'un simple vélo coute une "poignée de cerises".Sans compter les transports en communs souvent d'un coup ridicule et parfois encore bien folkloriques, bien que celà se perde, empechent aucunement de faire de merveilleuses et surprenantes rencontres.Je voyage depuis une trentaine d'années.Dites vous bien (à mon humble avis) que des "vrais routards", et bien, il n'y en a plus.Tous ont internet, le téléphone portable (la preuve ici, et semblent perdus sans !!) etc..et çà, on ne pourra pas me dire le contraire.Aussi parfois, je m'étonne de rencontrer un certain nombre de "routards" friqués.Pas la majorité, mais de plus en plus il me semble.Je m'en aperçois à leur train de vie auquel je ne pourrai pas suivre meme à mon age...Ce n'est aucunement une critique de ma part , seulement un constat. Profitez de votre jeunesse à voyager, c'est la meilleure école de la vie.Ne recherchez pas les comparaisons stériles et qui ne veulent plus rien dire au 21 ème siècle!! Bon voyage à tous Jean-Claude PS: étant en retraite fin mai, je pars en Asie pour 2 mois en juin ....Le pieds !!!!
Ah enfin un post positif et objectif !
Merci pour ce partage Nours53 !
Tashidelek from Elena
Bonsoir Elena,
Merci de ta gentille réponse. Je vois que tu es une adepte de l'Himmalaya.Je ne connais que le Népal ou je suis allé 2 années (1990 et 1992).Quels émouvants souvenirs j'ai gardé de ces 2 voyages et treks!!et en solitaire. Mon seul regret...ne plus pouvoir refaire du "crapahu" en haute montagne, problemes physiques... Bonne soirée, JC
Merci de ta gentille réponse. Je vois que tu es une adepte de l'Himmalaya.Je ne connais que le Népal ou je suis allé 2 années (1990 et 1992).Quels émouvants souvenirs j'ai gardé de ces 2 voyages et treks!!et en solitaire. Mon seul regret...ne plus pouvoir refaire du "crapahu" en haute montagne, problemes physiques... Bonne soirée, JC
Salut !
Non vous n'êtes pas tout seuls à voyager de cette facon là, allez faire un tour sur notre blog (Julien et Adrien) : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/
Je ne sais pas ce qu'est le "vrai traveler", je pense qu'il y a juste différents types de voyageurs et différentes facons de voyager et que chacun choisi celle qui lui correspond le mieux.
Pour ma part (avec mon collègue Adrien) nous voyageons essentiellement en stop, nous avons notament traversé le Cambodge entièrement en stop, une partie de la Thailande et du Vietnam, et beaucoup d'autres pays d'Europe ou d'Asie + Australie-NZ.
Nous dormions souvent dehors en Europe (ou couchsurfing, ou chez l'habitant) mais plus souvent en auberge en Asie car très abordable. Ceci dit en faisant du stop on a trés souvent dormis dans les pagodas (Thailande, Cambodge), les églises au Vietnam, et chez l'habitant dans de nombreux pays dont la Papouasie Nouvelle Guinée.
C'est pour moi la facon de voyager la plus interressante. Mais ca ne m'empeche pas d'aller parfois visiter des endroits touristiques magnifiques comme Angkor Wat, Halon Bay et j'en passe...
Par contre quand tu dis faire sa bouffe soit meme je ne comprend pas trop : en Asie les restaurants sont tellement cheap (1 ou 2$ le repas) et tellement délicieux que ca ne vaut pas le coup de se priver !
Bref, nous voyageons avec un budget de 8€ par jour et par personne depuis 2 ans en Europe, Asie, Océanie et pour l'instant nous prenons énormément de plaisir à voyager. Nous avons rencontré quelques autres personnes qui voyagent de la meme facon que nous mais très très très peu sur le nombre de voyageurs, il faut dire que c'est un peu "extreme" comme facon de voyager.
Tu parlais de dormir en hamac-moustiquaire en Asie. Comme gérez-vous le problème de la pluie ? Le hamac est une solution qui m'interresse de plus en plus mais je n'ai jamais testé et je ne sais pas s'il est possible de le recouvrir avec une sorte de bache pour etre complètement étanche toute la nuit... ?? Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.
En attendant si tu veux trouver des récits de voyage en mode "très petit budget", autostop, séjour chez l'habitant, volontariat, wwoofing/helpx, marche à pied, vélo, etc... jette un oeil sur notre blog : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/
Un petit apercu en vidéos de notre passage en Asie du sud-est (Cambodge, Laos, Vietnam) : autostop, présentation de notre tour du monde dans une école au Cambodge, ballades à vélo au Laos, etc...) : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/?p=5082
Et plein plein d'autres récits de voyage à découvrir....
Bon voyage! Julien
Non vous n'êtes pas tout seuls à voyager de cette facon là, allez faire un tour sur notre blog (Julien et Adrien) : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/
Je ne sais pas ce qu'est le "vrai traveler", je pense qu'il y a juste différents types de voyageurs et différentes facons de voyager et que chacun choisi celle qui lui correspond le mieux.
Pour ma part (avec mon collègue Adrien) nous voyageons essentiellement en stop, nous avons notament traversé le Cambodge entièrement en stop, une partie de la Thailande et du Vietnam, et beaucoup d'autres pays d'Europe ou d'Asie + Australie-NZ.
Nous dormions souvent dehors en Europe (ou couchsurfing, ou chez l'habitant) mais plus souvent en auberge en Asie car très abordable. Ceci dit en faisant du stop on a trés souvent dormis dans les pagodas (Thailande, Cambodge), les églises au Vietnam, et chez l'habitant dans de nombreux pays dont la Papouasie Nouvelle Guinée.
C'est pour moi la facon de voyager la plus interressante. Mais ca ne m'empeche pas d'aller parfois visiter des endroits touristiques magnifiques comme Angkor Wat, Halon Bay et j'en passe...
Par contre quand tu dis faire sa bouffe soit meme je ne comprend pas trop : en Asie les restaurants sont tellement cheap (1 ou 2$ le repas) et tellement délicieux que ca ne vaut pas le coup de se priver !
Bref, nous voyageons avec un budget de 8€ par jour et par personne depuis 2 ans en Europe, Asie, Océanie et pour l'instant nous prenons énormément de plaisir à voyager. Nous avons rencontré quelques autres personnes qui voyagent de la meme facon que nous mais très très très peu sur le nombre de voyageurs, il faut dire que c'est un peu "extreme" comme facon de voyager.
Tu parlais de dormir en hamac-moustiquaire en Asie. Comme gérez-vous le problème de la pluie ? Le hamac est une solution qui m'interresse de plus en plus mais je n'ai jamais testé et je ne sais pas s'il est possible de le recouvrir avec une sorte de bache pour etre complètement étanche toute la nuit... ?? Merci d'avance pour ta réponse.
En attendant si tu veux trouver des récits de voyage en mode "très petit budget", autostop, séjour chez l'habitant, volontariat, wwoofing/helpx, marche à pied, vélo, etc... jette un oeil sur notre blog : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/
Un petit apercu en vidéos de notre passage en Asie du sud-est (Cambodge, Laos, Vietnam) : autostop, présentation de notre tour du monde dans une école au Cambodge, ballades à vélo au Laos, etc...) : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr/wordpresstdm/?p=5082
Et plein plein d'autres récits de voyage à découvrir....
Bon voyage! Julien
En ce moment... quelque part sur la Terre : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr
Bonjour, 🙂
Tu parlais de dormir en hamac-moustiquaire en Asie. Comme gérez-vous le problème de la pluie ? Le hamac est une solution qui m'interresse de plus en plus mais je n'ai jamais testé et je ne sais pas s'il est possible de le recouvrir avec une sorte de bache pour etre complètement étanche toute la nuit... ??
voilà ce qu'il te faut. 😉 🙂
Tu parlais de dormir en hamac-moustiquaire en Asie. Comme gérez-vous le problème de la pluie ? Le hamac est une solution qui m'interresse de plus en plus mais je n'ai jamais testé et je ne sais pas s'il est possible de le recouvrir avec une sorte de bache pour etre complètement étanche toute la nuit... ??
voilà ce qu'il te faut. 😉 🙂
Les concours photos VF
Hey,
merci pour cette réponse rapide!
C'est pas mal ce hamac, tout intégré moustiquaire et protection contre la pluie.
un peu plus léger qu'une tente ultra-légère pour une personne, surement la solution idéale pour du trek en foret ou en zones tropicales.
En ce moment... quelque part sur la Terre : http://tourdumonde2010.free.fr
Par contre quand tu dis faire sa bouffe soit meme je ne comprend pas trop : en Asie les restaurants sont tellement cheap (1 ou 2$ le repas) et tellement délicieux que ca ne vaut pas le coup de se priver !
Salut J'ai essentiellement fait comme vous dans mes jeunes années.. par contre effectivement comme vous le dites pas besoin de faire sa bouffe en Asie! et donc je ne suis pas vraiment sûr que l'auteur du post l'ait vraiment faite comme il le prétend ou peut-être même n'a t-il jamais quitté son pays!!
Salut J'ai essentiellement fait comme vous dans mes jeunes années.. par contre effectivement comme vous le dites pas besoin de faire sa bouffe en Asie! et donc je ne suis pas vraiment sûr que l'auteur du post l'ait vraiment faite comme il le prétend ou peut-être même n'a t-il jamais quitté son pays!!
Tout à fait d'accord avec vous !
C'est un plaisir de vous lire.
"Le seul tort de chacun de vous dans ce sujet c'est de vouloir s'approprier les "voyages" et de définir sa façon comme la bonne et de se sentir frustré que l'un puisse se définir plus voyageur que l'autre, "le plus grand des voyageurs c'est celui qui a déja su faire une fois le tour de soi même", j'ai vu des type qui ont fait des dizaines de pays et qui pourtant restent des "nazes" complet, et des gens qui sont jamais sorti de leur campagne qui arrive à te faire sentir tout petit devant des leçons de vie implicite, en disant des choses que j'ai mis des années à comprendre en essayant de bouger du plus que je pouvais, en fait je pense que l'essence même du voyage c'est l'humanité, la tolérance, la curiosité, la compréhension.......... Et là dessus excusez moi mais je trouve que le sujet part un peu en vrille........".
Heureusement que des personnes comme vous sont objectives et sensées ! La majorité des autres post est un ramassis d'aigreur, de frustrations, de jugements hâtifs et de visions erronées ! Forum voyage devient le pays des égo en effervescence ! lol
Heureusement que des personnes comme vous sont objectives et sensées ! La majorité des autres post est un ramassis d'aigreur, de frustrations, de jugements hâtifs et de visions erronées ! Forum voyage devient le pays des égo en effervescence ! lol
La majorité des autres post est un ramassis d'aigreur, de frustrations, de jugements hâtifs et de visions erronées !
Forum voyage devient le pays des égo en effervescence ! lol
Tes propres messages dans cette discussion ne sont que des bons ou des mauvais points attribués aux contributions des autres... et un ressenti personnel, certes, mais qui ne tranche pas vraiment avec ce qui a déjà été exprimé.
Tes propres messages dans cette discussion ne sont que des bons ou des mauvais points attribués aux contributions des autres... et un ressenti personnel, certes, mais qui ne tranche pas vraiment avec ce qui a déjà été exprimé.
Et Bingo ! un de plus ! ha ha c'est trop drôle !
Excuse moi Catherine, je n'avais pas vu qu'il y avait autant de messages dans cette discussion passionante, et pense n'avoir lu que les plus hargneux...et pour suivre la discussion, j'ai du faire "répondre à Catherine" alors que ce message ne t'était pas particulièrement destiné...je galère un peu avec le forum sur lequel je viens de m'inscrire, mais ça va venir...
Restons dans cette minorité de voyageurs libres et laissons les troupeaux broutter les banalités de notre époque.
Bonjour Golomb,
Cette opinion très réductrice révèlerait-elle un penchant "discriminatoire" du genre : restons bien entre nous "vrais" voyageurs ? Ne vous en déplaise, ce monde est unique et nous devons le partager avec tous les êtres sensibles, quelque soit leur nombre de pattes 🙂. Et, malheureusement pour vous, vous ne pouvez pas y échapper, ni "aux banalités de notre époque" que nous devons également partager. Comme cela a été écrit mille fois sur ce topic, chacun voyage à sa guise, seul ou à plusieurs, le troupeau commençant à 4 personnes selon l'avis très respectable de feu Georges Brassens.
Quant à
cette minorité de voyageurs libres
, j'en fais totalement partie aussi, car elle me permet de choisir le mode de voyage qui me plaît à tel moment, dans telles conditions, pour tel projet, y compris celui en troupeau quand ça me chante.
Bonjour Golomb,
Cette opinion très réductrice révèlerait-elle un penchant "discriminatoire" du genre : restons bien entre nous "vrais" voyageurs ? Ne vous en déplaise, ce monde est unique et nous devons le partager avec tous les êtres sensibles, quelque soit leur nombre de pattes 🙂. Et, malheureusement pour vous, vous ne pouvez pas y échapper, ni "aux banalités de notre époque" que nous devons également partager. Comme cela a été écrit mille fois sur ce topic, chacun voyage à sa guise, seul ou à plusieurs, le troupeau commençant à 4 personnes selon l'avis très respectable de feu Georges Brassens.
Quant à
cette minorité de voyageurs libres
, j'en fais totalement partie aussi, car elle me permet de choisir le mode de voyage qui me plaît à tel moment, dans telles conditions, pour tel projet, y compris celui en troupeau quand ça me chante.
" Le voyage est un retour vers l'essentiel"
(Proverbe tibétain)
"La beauté réside dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde." (Shoshitsu Sen)
"La beauté réside dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde." (Shoshitsu Sen)
Restons dans cette minorité de voyageurs libres et laissons les troupeaux broutter les banalités de notre époque.
Tu te crois plus libre que la moyenne?...C'est un peu lourdingue ta réponse tu crois pas?
Tu te crois plus libre que la moyenne?...C'est un peu lourdingue ta réponse tu crois pas?
Restons dans cette minorité de voyageurs libres et laissons les troupeaux broutter les banalités de notre époque
Cette tendance à se croire au dessus du lot, affranchi de toute responsabilité et consommateur pur du monde. Voilà bien un effet de mode, un effet de masse.
Cette tendance à se croire au dessus du lot, affranchi de toute responsabilité et consommateur pur du monde. Voilà bien un effet de mode, un effet de masse.
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
Restons dans cette minorité de voyageurs libres et laissons les troupeaux broutter les banalités de notre époque
Cette tendance à se croire au dessus du lot, affranchi de toute responsabilité et consommateur pur du monde. Voilà bien un effet de mode, un effet de masse.
Non, il n'y a pas effet de mode ou de masse. Le voyage qui est défendu ici est eternel et existe depuis l'origine des temps. Proche des gens et de la nature.
Ce serait plutôt les consommateurs de voyages, achetés dans les agences ou autres grandes surfaces, qui seraient effets de mode et de masse.
Je pense qu'il faut que tout le monde se fasse plaisir, mais ne doit pas necessairement se croiser sur les mêmes chemins, n'ayant pas les mêmes aspirations. Le voyage s'est démocratisé et devenu un sujet de consommation comme la lessive, ce qui améne une nouvelle catégorie de voyageur-consommateur. Faut-il avoir à subir cette catégorie à travers le monde qui parfois peut vous gâcher votre voyage ?
j'avoue que ma formule etait volontairement provoc, ce qui nous a permit de faire durer cet échange passionnant.
Cette tendance à se croire au dessus du lot, affranchi de toute responsabilité et consommateur pur du monde. Voilà bien un effet de mode, un effet de masse.
Non, il n'y a pas effet de mode ou de masse. Le voyage qui est défendu ici est eternel et existe depuis l'origine des temps. Proche des gens et de la nature.
Ce serait plutôt les consommateurs de voyages, achetés dans les agences ou autres grandes surfaces, qui seraient effets de mode et de masse.
Je pense qu'il faut que tout le monde se fasse plaisir, mais ne doit pas necessairement se croiser sur les mêmes chemins, n'ayant pas les mêmes aspirations. Le voyage s'est démocratisé et devenu un sujet de consommation comme la lessive, ce qui améne une nouvelle catégorie de voyageur-consommateur. Faut-il avoir à subir cette catégorie à travers le monde qui parfois peut vous gâcher votre voyage ?
j'avoue que ma formule etait volontairement provoc, ce qui nous a permit de faire durer cet échange passionnant.
y a du mou dans la corde à noeud
Je pense qu'il faut que tout le monde se fasse plaisir
C'est sans doute une des formules à la mode et massivement utilisée qui m'insupporte le plus. L'idée même qu'elle sous-tend était inconnue (pour leur bonheur) de nos prédécesseurs à "l'origine des temps" (et même sans remonter si loin). Je suis de loin cette interminable discussion et comme cela a déjà été dit je crois, l'impression qu'on en a c'est que ce que vous montez au pinacle, toi, l'initiateur du fil et d'autres est, faute de choix, un mode de voyage par défaut. Un choix de frustrés.
C'est sans doute une des formules à la mode et massivement utilisée qui m'insupporte le plus. L'idée même qu'elle sous-tend était inconnue (pour leur bonheur) de nos prédécesseurs à "l'origine des temps" (et même sans remonter si loin). Je suis de loin cette interminable discussion et comme cela a déjà été dit je crois, l'impression qu'on en a c'est que ce que vous montez au pinacle, toi, l'initiateur du fil et d'autres est, faute de choix, un mode de voyage par défaut. Un choix de frustrés.
Bonjour Jean !
tu voyage en nomade tout comme moi
je ne suis pas en asie , mais la façon dont tu voyages est également pour moi une excellente facon de découvrir
peu importe l avis des autres en autant que tu aimes ce que tu fais. On voyage pour nous et non pas pour ce que les autres en pensent anyway. p/s si j etais dans ce pays nous nous serions sûrement croisé »(quoique l Asie c est très grand ...
peu importe l avis des autres en autant que tu aimes ce que tu fais. On voyage pour nous et non pas pour ce que les autres en pensent anyway. p/s si j etais dans ce pays nous nous serions sûrement croisé »(quoique l Asie c est très grand ...
Le voyage s'est démocratisé
Voila le vrai problème...😎
Voila le vrai problème...😎
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
Incroyable! ce post tourne toujours.
Et un de plus qui voyage en dehors du troupeau.
C'est que si on additionne ca commence à faire un joli petit troupeau tout ca.
Il y a trois sortes d’hommes : les vivants,
les morts, et ceux qui vont sur la mer.
Aristote (parait il)
Discussion démarrée par Jeanlabass le 17 mars 2012 à 10:51 286 réponses sur 15 pages · 72 participants · 12 865 affichages
Soit 1 mois avec 286 échanges. Soit un sujet aussi important que la crise européenne ou les élections. Avec beaucoup de violence, de succeptibilité et d'intolérance inconsciente.
Comme toujours, on trouve la bonne morale qui consiste à souhaiter : - que tout le monde puisse s'offrir des voyages, - à critiquer l'esprit communautaire qui défend son seul point de vue. - à revendiquer NOTRE idée de la démocratie. Le monde n'est pas à tout le monde, il EST et c'est tout.
L'envie de se retrouver avec d'autres qui partagent les mêmes idées n'est pas "elitiste" ou "égoîste" ou "mode", etc..On ressent et échange bien les mêmes sentiments que si l'on a vécu des moments identiques.
L'humanité est naturellement et majoritairement grégaire ce qui donne des troupeaux d'affinité diverses. Les croisements semblent douloureux, sourtout pour ceux qui ont une conception du voyage concoctée par le marketting actuel.
Alors Jealabass continue ta façon de vivre et de penser même si tu te sens appartenir à un courant minoritaire. Ces pas le nombre qui fait la qualité, l'histoire l'a prouvé.
Bonne route à tous
Comme toujours, on trouve la bonne morale qui consiste à souhaiter : - que tout le monde puisse s'offrir des voyages, - à critiquer l'esprit communautaire qui défend son seul point de vue. - à revendiquer NOTRE idée de la démocratie. Le monde n'est pas à tout le monde, il EST et c'est tout.
L'envie de se retrouver avec d'autres qui partagent les mêmes idées n'est pas "elitiste" ou "égoîste" ou "mode", etc..On ressent et échange bien les mêmes sentiments que si l'on a vécu des moments identiques.
L'humanité est naturellement et majoritairement grégaire ce qui donne des troupeaux d'affinité diverses. Les croisements semblent douloureux, sourtout pour ceux qui ont une conception du voyage concoctée par le marketting actuel.
Alors Jealabass continue ta façon de vivre et de penser même si tu te sens appartenir à un courant minoritaire. Ces pas le nombre qui fait la qualité, l'histoire l'a prouvé.
Bonne route à tous
y a du mou dans la corde à noeud
"il est certain que de voir des gens se balader " sales ", mal habillés et sans aucun respect de soit n'attire pas la sympathie de la population locale qui a une " grande idée " du respect en général, et qui s'attend à tout autre chose du voyageur occidental, surtout en Asie du Sud est ..... »
Où a-t-il été question de cela? (je laisse de côté cette discussion-marronnier, impasse assurée😛)
Personnellement, j'ai vécu des mois en voyage loin de toute ville, et j'ai toujours été rasé-coiffé- proprement et bien habillé-lavé, pompes assouplissements et abdos tous les jours... c'est quoi cette remarque ?😇
Où a-t-il été question de cela? (je laisse de côté cette discussion-marronnier, impasse assurée😛)
Personnellement, j'ai vécu des mois en voyage loin de toute ville, et j'ai toujours été rasé-coiffé- proprement et bien habillé-lavé, pompes assouplissements et abdos tous les jours... c'est quoi cette remarque ?😇
Je ne sai pas de quand date le post*mais j'ai adoré les 1er réponces, c'est bien dit et marrent, enfin beaucoup d'argument
si non
peu être aussi que les "vrai travellers " , ne sont pas disposé à te rencontrer, il sont la pour decouvrir d 'autres cultures aussi , pas un français qui en Asie passe sont temp sur un forum français avec des gens qui te repondent au bureau
Sur les chemins de la bohême, j ai croisé le bout du monde, les ptits matin au café créme, ou je taxai ma 1er blonde. avant de partir le pouce en l'air a l autre bout du bout du monde.... La rue ketanou ;)
Il faut pas oublier que voyager est un luxe. Tu as la chance de le faire mais j'ai l'impression que tu en as pas conscience.
yoyobzh :
mais voyager n'est pas un luxe, cela coute souvent moins cher que de rester à la maison. il y a toujours un voyage qui correspond a un budget Deux points de vue bien opposés...
wikipedia, Le luxe est le mode de vie consistant à pratiquer des dépenses somptuaires et superflues... Cet aspect d'inutilité est si marquant qu'il est à la base de l'expression péjorative « C'est du luxe ! » qui condamne un investissement déraisonnable.
si les voyage nous servent q nousprocurer des emotions , qui sont à la base de notre raison de vivre, xe n ai donc pas superflus et donc pas un luxe de plus on peu avoir des enfants et un travail , un petit salaire et voyager longtemp , tous n'ai qu une question de choix et de priorite
mais voyager n'est pas un luxe, cela coute souvent moins cher que de rester à la maison. il y a toujours un voyage qui correspond a un budget Deux points de vue bien opposés...
wikipedia, Le luxe est le mode de vie consistant à pratiquer des dépenses somptuaires et superflues... Cet aspect d'inutilité est si marquant qu'il est à la base de l'expression péjorative « C'est du luxe ! » qui condamne un investissement déraisonnable.
si les voyage nous servent q nousprocurer des emotions , qui sont à la base de notre raison de vivre, xe n ai donc pas superflus et donc pas un luxe de plus on peu avoir des enfants et un travail , un petit salaire et voyager longtemp , tous n'ai qu une question de choix et de priorite
Sur les chemins de la bohême, j ai croisé le bout du monde, les ptits matin au café créme, ou je taxai ma 1er blonde. avant de partir le pouce en l'air a l autre bout du bout du monde.... La rue ketanou ;)
Bon pour être franche j'ai jute lu la première page et survoler la dernière.
Dis donc t'as du bol toi, a l'inverse au Cambodge/Laos j'ai croiser beaucoup trop de touristes voyageant de cette manière. Quel que soit l'endroit aussi pommé soit-il, toujours un qui traine dans le coin...
Et la palme d'or reviens au Népal, grosse déception. Des hordes de routards ( normal destination rando par excellence hein) plus nombreux que les locaux.
Bref rien de vaut la bonne pampa africaine, pas un pélos ! (bien sur je ne parle pas du kenyaland et sa voisine du dessous) La question c plutôt ou aller sans croiser sa voisine ou son pharmacien ?? Je sens que je vais également me faire allumée.... 🤪 je suis jeune aussi 😉
Bref rien de vaut la bonne pampa africaine, pas un pélos ! (bien sur je ne parle pas du kenyaland et sa voisine du dessous) La question c plutôt ou aller sans croiser sa voisine ou son pharmacien ?? Je sens que je vais également me faire allumée.... 🤪 je suis jeune aussi 😉
" vous les européens, vous avez la montre, et nous, on a le temps" mano dayak
Je te comprend, c'est très frustrant de voyager et de croiser comme tu dis une personne qui pourrait être ton voisin ou ton pharmacien. Après c'est une question de gout. Mais moi sa me convient pas. Si demain on me dit de dormir à même le sol avec un simple baluchon, faire de la marche et de l'auto stop çà va pas me triper plus que çà, je l'ai déjà fais, j'ai eu des satisfactions mais aussi des inconvénients. J'ai pas besoin de beaucoup de confort mais il me faut le minimum. Maintenant j'ai des conversations souvent intéressantes avec les personnes qui font çà.
J'ai fais pas mal de rando camping sauvage, un peu d'auto stop et je pense avoir trouvé ma formule de voyage: allez dans des pays sympathiques, ou il y a peu de touristes mis à part les habitants de leur propres pays et louer une voiture pour avoir une totale autonomie et crécher dedans. Un petit inconvénient, la voiture t'empeche de faire des rencontres en train, bus, auto stop. Mais j'ai pas trouver meilleur formules qui me convienne. En voyage, je suis assez speed, je vais pas trop m'attarder dans un resto ou sur la plage pour faire bronzette, je passe vite à autre chose, d'une campagne à l'autre et d'une ville à l'autre. Je consacre plus de temps en revanche sur les rencontres. Ce qui pourrait être tripant, ce serait de louer un scooter dans une ville, la visiter et faire le tour des campagnes, puis prendre un transport en commun et changer de lieux et renouveler la même opération. J'ai pas testé, mais çà pourrait être l'idéal (et adapté) pour certains pays
J'ai fais pas mal de rando camping sauvage, un peu d'auto stop et je pense avoir trouvé ma formule de voyage: allez dans des pays sympathiques, ou il y a peu de touristes mis à part les habitants de leur propres pays et louer une voiture pour avoir une totale autonomie et crécher dedans. Un petit inconvénient, la voiture t'empeche de faire des rencontres en train, bus, auto stop. Mais j'ai pas trouver meilleur formules qui me convienne. En voyage, je suis assez speed, je vais pas trop m'attarder dans un resto ou sur la plage pour faire bronzette, je passe vite à autre chose, d'une campagne à l'autre et d'une ville à l'autre. Je consacre plus de temps en revanche sur les rencontres. Ce qui pourrait être tripant, ce serait de louer un scooter dans une ville, la visiter et faire le tour des campagnes, puis prendre un transport en commun et changer de lieux et renouveler la même opération. J'ai pas testé, mais çà pourrait être l'idéal (et adapté) pour certains pays
Ils ne savaient pas que c’était impossible, alors ils l’ont fait.
j ai voyagé 10 ans ce cette façon et je ne t'ai jamais croisé !!comme quoi désespére pas !on partagera un bout de moustiquiaire un jour!
la vie est comme un livre, celui qui n'a pas voyagé n'en connais que la 1ere page.
Re: Où sont les vrais "travellers" ?
"Sur la route.
Bon ben, j'vais faire un tour, salut bisous !
"Sur la route.
Bon ben, j'vais faire un tour, salut bisous !
Je porte plainte contre le "monde moderne", c’est lui le monstre. Il détruit notre terre, il piétine l’âme des hommes."
Si tu n'as pas d'amour, embrasse la liberté
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hello to all travelers with their eyes wide open to the desert...
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
I’ve always wondered what I was "doing" on this earth. And why my father, who died a few months after I was born—a former youngest French resistance fighter—joined the First Saharan Motorized Company in Atar and spent the rest of his life repairing army engines in Algeria, Mauritania, Senegal, Mali (which didn’t exist under that name back then), Morocco, and finally Algeria, where my mother was born and raised. (Believe me, it’s not "cool" being the child of a soldier in a country occupied by France, and even less so the child of a "pied-noir.") Of course, I never got an answer: the dead don’t talk, and the army doesn’t either. But here’s the thing—I had photos... So naturally, one day I hit the road. I wanted to see, to understand. It’s thanks to VF that I was able to do a little research on crossing the Morocco-Mauritania border, and I’m grateful to its members, just as I’m grateful to all those who welcomed me on the road for 14 years. For the past few weeks, I’ve been wondering if I should talk about this or not... It turns out the Mauritanians changed my life by asking for my help... And that started as early as February 2012... (Did I owe them something? No answer to that question.) Ah, the irony—they saw me coming. But when you’re handed sick children and begged to do something, what would you have done? I’d worked in a hospital, so I knew a bit about the rules to follow. I didn’t hesitate. And well, over all these years, I met doctors, surgeons, and together we organized care, evacuations of children, training for surgeons—even trying to stop children from having to travel outside their country. It was never easy. I’d like to thank those who supported us, as well as *La Chaîne de l’Espoir*, *La Fondation Face au Monde*, and everyone who built bridges between our two countries. Unfortunately, despite the constant efforts of Mauritanian doctors and surgeons, some children couldn’t be helped in time. Today, I want to talk about four siblings—orphans of their mother—suffering from congenital glaucoma causing irreversible blindness. Their case was entrusted to me in 2020, just weeks before the big lockdown. We couldn’t do anything for them then, but when their father asked me for a gift, I rushed to my computer and wrote a story. Through a tale, the children take a great journey, explore their country, and fulfill a dream. I never thought this book would be published—it was, in 2023. This book pays tribute to Mauritania. It’s a message for those who know nothing about the hardships of life there, carrying both the harshness and beauty of an immense desert where you can travel by 4x4, bike, on foot, or by camel in complete safety. It bears witness to the kindness of Mauritanians toward travelers. As a woman traveling alone in my vehicle—a now-rusted old Mercedes that no longer runs—I had the most beautiful encounters of my life there (I’ve seen other parts of the world...). The blind children of Choum, Atar, Nouadhibou, and Nouakchott will forever be in my heart. Volunteer readers transcribed the book into a free audio version for the visually impaired. It’s available in sound libraries in France, the *Fondation Valentin Haüy*, and the Swiss Romande library. I made my last trip to Mauritania in my old 4x4 to distribute the book everywhere, especially to its heroes and the school for the visually impaired in Nouakchott. After that, I thought it was time to close the chapter because I no longer have the means or the strength to travel. My publishers chose this title for it: *The Blue Eyes of the Desert*. This publication helped a mission of Swiss volunteer ophthalmologists come to operate on glaucomas in Mauritania. I’m thrilled because they come back every year! This adventure is ending, yes—everything must come to an end—but ultimately, it was born here, on the VF site!! So yes, I had to say it: THANK YOU!!!!!
Hi everyone,
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Who’d like to share their best and worst travel memories in a few lines? For me, it’s watching the TAJ MAHAL at sunrise and getting chased by dogs at the top of a mountain pass in GREECE on the way back from ISTANBUL. THANKS GUYS
Hi everyone,
I’m Loulou, a French expat who’s been living in Southeast Asia for about fifteen years, currently in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. A passionate walker at heart, I’ve trekked in Nepal (Thorung La, Mardi Himal), India, Vietnam, and I’m still planning new hikes (Char Dham, Langtang, Annapurna).
I’ve just published my first travel journal, recounting three months of walking and encounters across India. A portion of the sales goes to an educational center I support in Kep, for children whose parents work in the salt marshes.
I’m also working on a second book about Nepal with a musician friend, focusing on the Mardi Himal trek—two independent perspectives on the same journey.
Happy to swap stories with you about the Himalayas, India, Southeast Asia, or just the urge to hit the road and walk far from home.
Safe travels,
Loulou
Hi! It was totally by chance that I stumbled upon VoyageForum (an ad online and a story lol), and I’ve been reading some really old posts from 2011 about Thai massage schools—discussions on how to get by, accommodation, prices, etc. It reminded me of my own experience: I kept things simple by staying with a local family during my entire trip. I only shared all the expenses with them, which, I’ll admit, was super cheap… and I often traveled with them, which naturally opened a lot of doors for me. To start, at the school in Salaya, my Thai friend immediately connected me with Teacher Phong (the school’s mentor and teacher of teachers, a former monk). I was supposed to join a group session with other foreigners, but for some reason I don’t know, I got two days of private lessons for free with this expert… incredible! And on top of that, he loved France! It was an amazing experience. I "discovered" massage by chance—the Thai family just told me: "Try it, you’ll see!" (I’d had a pretty intense massage in the capital before 😅… but the next day, I felt unbelievably great!))
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
Every morning, I’d take a taxi (chosen by the Thai family at prices that beat all the competition) to this school—I’ve forgotten the name of the little village now… right in the heart of the countryside. Then, in the evenings, I’d keep practicing massage on all the family members… and they’d teach me Thai at the same time!))
Since then, I’ve practiced a bit, with lots of positive feedback. Following Teacher Phong’s advice—he thought my pressure was deep, firm, and precise—he strongly encouraged me to take this seriously.
I love Thailand so much. It’s a whole different way of living… and it’s a real blessing, even if I couldn’t live there full-time. Anyway, that was an unforgettable memory, and sometimes the Thai family and I still say hi—from 2011, 2013… right up to today!
Take care, everyone! !
"It seems to me that poverty would be less painful in the sun" wrote Aznavour...
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Not sure...😕 Who can prove that people in hot countries are happier than others? What do you think?
Is it better to live in Montpellier than in Lille? Are the Pygmies happier than the Inuit? Are Canadians less happy than the people of Louisiana? Are there more French expats in hot countries?
And your travels? Do you choose your destinations based on the climate? Do you rejoice when a bit of sunshine appears?
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed. Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
We're planning to spend a month in Vietnam. Is hiring a guide helpful?
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Then... would you have 5 to 7 minutes to help me by filling out this questionnaire? 🙂 »» https://forms.gle/y74ckkvN9TjrougLA
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project. A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
Hello everyone,
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

...
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
.
.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

...
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?

