Do you drink wine with your meals?
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JO
Are you a wine lover?

Do you drink wine with your meal, and how often—every day, just on weekends, or only occasionally for special events?

What are your favorite wines, from which country, and what grape variety? I drink wine with my evening meal every day. I’m particularly fond of wines from Australia and Spain—I really like grape varieties like Cabernet Sauvignon and Shiraz.
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
Well, of course I do!!!!! But only in the evening at dinner (or *supper*, as the Quebecois say). Water’s for when I’m traveling. I’m the one who cooks at home, and I often plan the dish around the wine I feel like drinking. I’ve got about 500 bottles from all over in the cellar—plenty of choices.

Preferences? Not really, except for a few wines I don’t like: Gros Plant from Nantes, Muscadet—basically, wines that are too acidic—and Champagne (I’ve never understood why people put bubbles in wine).

I’ve had good wines everywhere, and bad ones too. I don’t know much about Australian wines; the only ones I’ve tried were on a plane, and they weren’t great (but then again, French wines served on planes aren’t great either). The worst wine I’ve ever had was in Syria, in Maalula. I visited a convent (St. Thecla) where the nuns made wine and offered me a taste. It was pretty much pure vinegar…

When you talk about grape varieties, in France, wines aren’t classified that way because most are blends of several grapes. The only place where wines are really labeled by variety is Alsace (Riesling, Gewürztraminer, etc.). Some small producers in the Languedoc also sell single-varietal wines. They’re unpretentious, but you can sometimes be pleasantly surprised. Shiraz is the same grape we call Syrah in France—it’s used in Châteauneuf-du-Pape and Côte-Rôtie (Rhône Valley).
JO Josaline Regular ·
The women of Quebec will envy yours 🙂, she’s lucky to have a foodie like you.

He adds bubbles to the wine to help digestion 😉 I also don’t like champagne—too expensive for what it is. Here, a bottle of champagne costs at least $60, so I’d rather buy several bottles of wine with my $60.

The wine served on planes is really basic, like table wine (plonk). If you ever get the chance to try an Australian wine, I’d love to hear your thoughts—do you think you can find any where you are?

One of my uncles used to make his own wine—disgusting, really not good. In my opinion, it’s not worth making your own when you can get great bottles for little money.

In Australia, they can’t pronounce "syrah," which is why they call it "shiraz."
AN Annais Veteran ·
Hi,

I only drink wine at restaurants or when I’m invited over for dinner.

See you,
JO Josaline Regular ·
Thanks for replying, Annais!

I’m doing a little research on consumption habits, personal tastes, and people’s routines.

See you later!
LE Lepiaf Globetrotter ·
Like Christian, I really love wine and always have 300 to 400 bottles in my cellar. I drink it almost every evening with dinner, mostly red wine. I enjoy all kinds of wines and regularly visit my favorite wine merchant to taste them, which lets me discover new wines and sample others that are too expensive for my budget. Because of the prices, I no longer buy Burgundy and much less Bordeaux—I’ve switched to wines from the Southwest and the Rhône Valley. Due to my location, I also have quite a few Loire wines. For aperitifs, I like sweet wines, such as Coteau du Layon (Loire) or Jurançon (near Pau).

As Christian mentioned, in France, we don’t classify wines by grape variety but by appellation. Appellations are quite complicated—there are geographic appellations (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Alsace, etc.) and official appellations. The most prestigious is AOC (Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée), which is assigned to a defined area with specific constraints (yield per hectare, chaptalization, etc.). AOCs are managed by the INAO. There are two other less prestigious appellations: VDQS (Vin Délimité de Qualité Supérieure) and *vin de pays*. More info here (among others): http://fr.parisinfo.com/rub1146.html&id_article=856
JA Jaynadelyon Regular ·
hi josaline

I also drink wine every day, in moderation. But I only drink good wine—I have a wine merchant who selects his bulk wines with as much care as his grand crus.

I’m right near famous wine regions, except for Beaujolais. I love them all, but my preference goes to Burgundy wines.

I’ll leave the technical side to the guys on the forum. I haven’t finished my oenology courses yet, so for now, I’ll just talk about flavor, pleasure, and, as the Americans say, "the French paradox." We drink wine, in moderation, and it protects us from heart issues..........pleasure and health—what could be nicer?

I also really enjoy drinking champagne. I find it makes women’s eyes look more beautiful and gives us a kind of confidence, a certain ease..........

Rereading myself, I realize my sentence might make it seem like I’m interested in women’s eyes—far from it! It’s just poetry.

There you go, josaline—did I answer your question?

I have some Québécois friends who aren’t opposed to it either...........

As for foreign wines, I’m clueless. I know Spanish Riojas, which remind me of Bordeaux, but honestly, for now, I won’t buy foreign. Our winemakers need support. That was my little civic moment!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers
AR Argentine06 Regular ·
🙂 You’ve gotta try the Argentinian wines from Mendoza and San Juan—you’ll love them!
KA Kairouan ·
Without wanting to sound protectionist, we should support French winemakers who are going through a tough crisis... Why not try the wines from Languedoc? They’ve really upped their quality game, and the idea of *terroir* still means something there!! Otherwise, there’s good wine everywhere, but a lot of it tastes the same and lacks "personality"... some wine-makers are churning out the same stuff from Napa to Mendoza, via Bordeaux!!
JO Josaline Regular ·
Thanks for the link, I’ve saved it to my favorites.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the space for a wine cellar, but it’s something we’ll consider for our next house. I imagine you buy about three bottles of the same kind—one to enjoy now and the other two at intervals of a few years. You probably have a book where you take notes to track how your wines evolve.
JO Josaline Regular ·
I get the technical side—wine is really complex. What a pleasure to taste and chat about wines!
LE Lepiaf Globetrotter ·
I imagine you buy about three bottles of the same kind, one to enjoy now and the other two at intervals of a few years.

I buy at least 6 if I’ve been able to taste it first. For some aging wines, I might buy up to 18 or 24.
ML Mldiane57 Veteran ·
We only drink wine on weekends or during celebrations—it’s really exceptional for us. My husband and I mostly go for Merlot (our first choice) and Bordeaux wines. We love red wine. However, for our French friends, here’s a site where you can see the prices we pay for our wine. Don’t try to compare it to what you’d pay in your country versus ours—after all, you live with the value of the euro, and we live with the value of the dollar. www.saq.com You’ll be shocked by some of the bottle prices. And now, a site where you can convert the amount to euros: http://www.atmonde.com/convertisseur.php Some people like boxed wine (cartons with a bag inside that hold the equivalent of maybe 4 bottles). On the other hand, my husband makes his own wine (which is trendy here in Quebec) using kits—it’s way simpler than dealing with grapes and all that. We make Merlot, and I can tell you it’s really good—even visitors of French descent love it. Oh, and we’ve had a habit for years: when we buy a bottle, we go to the SAQ website, print out the descriptive sheet, and put it in a book along with our impressions and the occasion we drank it. It’s a lot of fun!
JO Josaline Regular ·
Hi Diane🙂

I don’t agree with you—you say it’s trendy to make your own wine here. If that were the case, explain to me how there are 400 branches across Quebec, plus agencies for remote regions and places like La Maison des Futailles where you can bottle your own wine. I don’t think there’d be so many stores if it were really as trendy as you say to make your own wine.

Real wine lovers don’t drink homemade wine.

Here in Quebec, more and more people are drinking wine, and we’ve got a lot of wine connoisseurs—some even have wine cellars.

I’m not judging how you drink homemade wine, but let’s not say it’s trendy here to make your own. I think it’s just a minority of people, that’s all.
ML Mldiane57 Veteran ·
Hi!

When I say it's a trend, everyone should understand that it doesn't concern all Quebecers. It's like low-rise pants (also called "muffin top" fashion)—not everyone wears them, but you can't forget that they exist and are part of a wave. I can tell you that in my circle, there are *a lot* of people who do it, and when you ask around at work or elsewhere, there's always someone who has a relative who makes their own wine. Oh, some succeed, and others don’t. I’d say there are *so* many. I can even tell you that some people have wine made for weddings or other receptions. There are places where you prepare your wine, and they handle the brewing, etc... At the liquor store (SAQ), you can even bottle the wine you choose. Oh, that doesn’t stop people from buying wine too—you go out sometimes ;-) You give it as gifts, you bring it when you go out to eat at a restaurant or elsewhere, etc... It’s true that people buy a lot of wine, but you can’t turn a blind eye and say it’s not common to see people making their own. When I say it’s a trend, it also means it’s a new craze that’s arrived here in Quebec. I can tell you that the wine we make... it’s equivalent to many of those little bottles under $15 that you buy at the SAQ. And don’t think that the French drink grand crus every day either...
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
Yes, the "wine makers," including the infamous Michel Rolland who imposes his tastes—and particularly those of Mr. Parker. You can see the latter at home in the film *Mondovino*: his personal tastes are, well, *toilet-level* (sorry for the expression, but I can’t think of anything else). This man has become the guru of wine. The result? Wines that all taste the same, from one end of the planet to the other, and the pressure on some producers to bend to his will or risk not being able to export.

The latest idiocy, this time from those who govern us: allowing wood chips in vats to give the taste of oak barrels. The next step will probably be replacing the chips with liquid extract. We usually say a wine with this overly woody taste is "barrel juice," but soon it’ll be literal.

Anyway, thankfully, there are still plenty of winemakers (in fact, the majority) who do things the right way.
JO Josaline Regular ·
We often say that a wine with an overly pronounced woody taste is "barrel juice." __

Here in Quebec, we say it tastes like (two-by-four) construction lumber.
JO Josaline Regular ·
I stand by what I wrote earlier unless you’ve got stats to prove me wrong!!! The only info I have is the number of places where you can get bottles of wine. If there were a trend like you say, I think there’d be a lot of closures.

I can tell you that this wine we make... it’s equivalent to many of those little bottles under $15 that you buy at the SAQ.

Here again, I don’t agree with you—a homemade wine isn’t the same as a bottle bottled at the producer’s. First, the must or powder used to make homemade wine contains way more sulfites and preservatives, so it’s a lot more chemical.

Don’t believe that the French drink grand crus every day either...

I don’t believe anything—I never even brought up this topic. You’re the one talking about it, not me.
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
Yes, sodium sulfite—everyone uses it now. I use it to make my own photographic developer. No, we don’t drink grand crus every day, but personally, I buy wine and wait several years before drinking it. If we’re talking about wine prices, a bottle I bought for 7–8 € five years ago would cost 20–25 € today. It’s a better investment than stocks, but I drink my investment.
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
I know they make some wine in Canada, and I tried "ice wine" a long time ago—brought back by friends who’d been to Toronto—but I only have a vague memory of it. But when you talk about "Making your own wine with kits"... I don’t get it.

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